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make sure to catch jose week days right here 9:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc. that is all for now, the ed show is coming your way next. >> good evening, americans and welcome to the ed show live from minnesota, we have a lot to talk about tonight, let's get to work. tonight the law of the land lives. >> the 6-3 decision. >> the affordable care act is here to stay. >> i believe obama care is bad for americans. >> voting rights are under attack. >> it's very clear what's at stake here. there's an effort underway to use these discriminatory state laws to deny an opportunity for americans to vote. >> and feel the burn. >> he is now within 25 points. >> we're gaining from that. >> thank you. >> good to have you with us
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tonight, folks. thanks for watching. i'm going to start tonight's broadcast with a personal note. >> i do not have amnesia. i don't have short term memory loss, i might have it some day, but i don't have it right now. i will remember how health care in this country came about what happened today with the supreme court is monumental. who brought health care to this country? who brought health care reform to this country. in the middle of a rotten economy? it was the liberals it was the democrats. i don't know about you, but i remember reconciliation in the senate. i remember the dogfight and the back biting back and forth that took place in this country politically, and the fight that took place for reform. and all i've heard today on all of the cables is well it's a
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good thing the supreme court ruled the way they did today because the republicans didn't have plan b. really, i don't think they had plan a. when they had the white house, the house and the senate. and we were taking on double-digit increases in health care costs in this country the republicans decided not to do anything about it. they loved the free market they loved it when you got thrown off your health care they didn't want to do anything about it. they had no problem with pre-existing conditions. it wasn't until the democrats, every candidate in the race in 2008 it was the democrats who said you know what we have to do something about health care in this country. what did we see? the rise of the tea party, the vilification of our first black president, we saw all kinds of stuff come down because of health care, but it was the democrats who had the political guts in the middle of a rotten economy to say, you know what we've got to do something nor
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the american people so what we have seen today, it is official. the three branches of government work for this country. the three branches of government have completely weighed in on health kash reform in this country and there are absolutes. there's right and there's wrong. you know who's been on the wrong side of history for the last five and a half years? it's the republicans, and they're trying to wiggle out of it and you know what i'm not going to let them do it. i know what happened and i know how much this network, msnbc and this show the ed show dedicated to a full year of coverage of health care reform. i say to the american people including you republicans out there who now have health care this is a great day for america. we should all be celebrating. this is what democracy looks like, season the it? we go through what they say over on fox news. all this sausage making that has to take place. you know what i'm bellying up
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to the table and i'm eating good tonight, we got health care in this country, and you know what it's only going to get better. let's not forget the political fight that talk place. let's not forget the guts of harry reid the senate and the reconciliation, the process that we went through, and how some said, it's dead we're not going to get health care we did. we got it and today the justices ruled in a 6-3 vote consumers, that's you, qualify for health care subsidies through both state and federal exchanges. and you know what, it ain't against the law. the suit against obama care and that's exactly what it is, and they claim these federal subsidies are just illegal, we can't do that. yes, we can. today's ruling means that 6 million americans will be able to keep their subsidies and continue on. if the court ruled against the affordable health care act, the consequences would have been devastating. this is what the republicans
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wanted. they wanted it to go down today, they don't want to see this president or the democrats generationly signature anything as big as health care reform. for the record it's the progressive movement that has given us social security and protected it it's the progressive movement that's given us medicare and medicaid and protected it and now the next phase is health care the republicans have had nothing to do with it the law could have been completely torn apart if the supreme court had ruled differently today. this decision is a huge victory for president obama. a conservative court just helped him right his legacy again. the president addressed the rule ing ing. >> after more than 50 votes in congress to repeal or weaken this law. after a presidential election based in part on preserving or repealing this law. after multiple challenges to this law before the supreme court. the affordable care act is here
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to stay. this morning the court upheld a critical part of this law, this is not an abstract thing any more. this is not a set of political talking points. this is reality p.m. we can see how it is working. this law is working exactly as it's supposed to. in many ways, this law is working better than we expected it to. for all the misinformation campaigns. all the doomsday predictions, the talk of death penals and job destruction. for all the repeal attempts. this law is now helping tens of millions of american ss, and they've told me that it has changed their lives for the better. >> the majority opinion was written by chief justice john roberts who was appointed by george w. bush he was joined by
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sotomayor, kagan, ginsburg breyer and kennedy. in the last paragraph, congress passed the affordable care act to improve health insurance markets not to destroy them. if at all possible we must interpret the act in a way that is consistent with former and avoids the latter. you know there's a guy who said in his confirmation hearings that he was going to call balls and strikes. i remember that today he called balls and strikes. roberts realizes that the health insurance industry is making money hand over fist. it's good for america. he came to the conclusion that 23 you're making money, you're not hindering the markets. everybody can win. it's a win for the consumers, the health care industry and companies. conservative justices scalia alito and thomas. they wrote a scathing opinion. the court has had to rule on
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obama care several times. he wrote, we should just start calling this law scotus care. you know justice scalia call it whatever you want. the american people got it and that's the only thing that matters, republicans were not pleased with the obama care being upheld today. behind closed doors they have to be going nuts. republicans led by speaker john boehner, they tried to repeal obama care nearly 60 times. today marked a major defeat for house republicans and john boehner had this to say? >> the law is broken. it's raising costs for american families. raising costs for small businesses. and it's just fundamentally broken. and we're going to continue our efforts to do everything we can to put the american people back in charge of their own health care and not the federal government. >> so the law is broken accord according to boehner.
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mr. boehner, i don't mean this as a personal shot. my wife got cancer and they couldn't drop her, and i'm not so sure that they wouldn't have if the law hadn't been passes. boehner also issued a statement saying we will continue our efforts to repeal the law and repolice it. have at it. jeb bush weighed in today, he released this video after the ruling. >> any family will tell you that the premiums have gone up what we need to have is more choices for people empowering them to make decisions. rewarding better health care outcomes, more flexibility, less mandates, where they're empowered to make more decisions for themselves fixing this is a huge, huge challenge. and we have a duty to begin to solve these problems. >> you know what i don't think there's any democrats out there that would disagree with that. the only problem is mr. bush
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your party and you are late to the game. republicans need to let this go though don't they? obama care is the law of the land. congress voted for it the supreme court, the conservatives on the court, they tried to stop it, couldn't do it. upheld it two times, the people voted for it in 2012 with the re-election of president barack obama, today's ruling opens the door for let's go to round two, let's do more expansion. the fact that it's a 6-3 ruling is a real statement and it underscores how john boehner has been wasting his time repealing health care, when he could have been focusing on the economy and jobs. he didn't do that either. i will never forget the election cycle when some of the democrats ran away from obama care because it wasn't popular. well is it now? do the democrats now have the guts to stand up and say, you know what, we did the right thing, and we're going to make it better and we're going to reach across the aisle and ask
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the republicans if they'd like to come along with us. get your cell phones out, i want to know what you think. are republicans wasting their time by trying to repeal obama care after today's ruling? go to to cast your vote. we'll bring you the results right after this segment. let me bring in howard dean former governor of vermont, mike papantonio. and wendell potter senior analyst for the center of republican integrity, as i started this broadcast tonight, i said i did not have amnesia, i want you to know if i had, obama care would cover that too. how big a day is it? >> the president's had a huge day and huge week. many progressives don't agree, he got the trade agreement through, and now he's got obama care pretty much nailed down they can pick around the edges if they want to.
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this is a done deal and one of the first things that's going to happen which is very exciting i predict now that more republican governors are going to start allowing their citizens to have health insurance. if they don't, they're just taking money out of their own hospital budgets. the game is over as far as obama care goes. it is the law of the land, it's a huge victory for this president. he's had an unbelievable week. maybe the best of his presidency presidency. >> let me ask you, do you think that going after obama care is a graveyard? what do you think? >> well i think they are going to. i would like to hear what wendell says about this. he's a tremendous expert in this area. i think the republicans, the governors who have denied their coverage to their people not only are denying coverage to their poor people in their states they're really sticking it to their hospitals who are
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not getting compensated for people who need care and can't pay for it. at this point, republicans have had a history of putting their politics ahead of their people. that can't happen in a republican primary. scott walker's going to get fried if he should get the nomination as a governor who denied all his people health insurance. i think this is -- we're done here, obama care is no longer a liability. >> what does this ruling mean for the health care industry? >> it means some stability for one thing. the insurance industry was concerned about this i'm sure they were the most relieved among this ruling. so were the hospitals. and in particular, in the states that have not expanded medicaid yet, it's a very big deal.
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they've been losing money and they have political power and clout in every state, i think you'll start seeing some changes as governor dean subjected it obviously is a very big deal not only to those people who stood to lose those subsidies, but everybody who buys insurance. this could have devastated the markets had they gone the other way way. >> what do you think round two is? >> i think progressives should be emboldened to start trying to move us toward universal coverage. the affordable care act gets us along the road to that goal. it doesn't get us far enough i think the business leaders in this country also need to start assessing, what value do insurance companies really bring to our health care system.
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are they able to control health care costs if not, the business community should take a look at taking a leadership position in where we need to go from here. >> what's the legal take here? what's the legal ramifications of this ruling? what did it all come down to as you say, ed. >> the media had a hard time trying to convey what the dispute is about. interpretation was argued about ambiguity, did the term state mean an individual state such as alabama or mississippi or did state as a term of -- did it encampus the entire federal system, that's where this started to show you how ridiculous this was to begin with. every individual state first have to find its own state insurance infrastructure, in order to benefit from subsidies, when people looked at this from the outset they said we don't know how this court's going to get here we don't know how they're going to end this i was
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surprised because we have to look at the history of this court, it's the history that gave us as citizens united they gave us the voting rights act. every time the gop has asked for something. they have lined up for the gop. this was a surprise. you know it's bad when you have scalia using terms that sounded like a word salad. he described it as gigory pokery. he called it pure applesauce that shows you how crazy the fringe right has attacked this thing. and you know the good news ed the private meetings that scalia and thomas had with the koch brothers, it didn't pay off for the fringe right. that's good news. >> great to have you with us tonight on this historic day for american consumers. >> remember to answer tonight's
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we're back on the ed show. here are the early numbers. you can keep voting throughout the hour at 93% of you say yes. in other news earlier today, the house voted to approve trade adjustment assistance for displaced workers. president obama will have fast track and taa on his desk by the end of this week. these bills open the way for the president of the united states
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to present congress with the trans pacific partnership as i see it this would be a big defeat for workers in this country if it passes. we'll be right back on the ed show. stay with us. were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. start shopping online... ...from a list of top rated providers. visit today.
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congressional democrats are fighting to give the voting rights act new life. demonstrators are rallying in the state of virginia and urging the house judiciary chair to restore voting right protections and at least get a hearing. exactly two years ago, the supreme court gutted the voting rights act. the chairman of virginia wouldn't hold a hearing on the bills. he says the fact of the matter is we have a voting rights act, it is very strong. really? we have a voting rights act in name only. it's a hollow shell. lawmakers introduced the voting rights amendment act last year,
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the naacp submitted a 16,000 word document outlining voting chances, goodlatt did nothing. the new voting rights advancement act of 2015 is a robust advancement on last year's attempt. it covers half of the united states population, and covers most of the places where voting discrimination is prevalent. florida, north carolina and texas are a top priority. the legislation is an aggressive strategy, and sets the stage for real progress. joining me tonight by phone is larry cohen. he's in transit tonight, joins us by phone. >> what was the mission today, and how did it look how did it go in virginia? >> the mission today was to say to representative goodlatt that national leader ss, student
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groups, that all of us are united in things -- you're a national leader and you're a disgrace. no hearing on voting rights. no hearing on immigration, and, you know that's not what democracy looks like. we were joined by 300 people from roan oak. they're saying the representatives, you're supposed to represent us who you represent is the right wing of this country that's trambling our rights. i'm here on a bus now with 50 of those leaders, and their message is very clear. hold the hearing, that's the message. >> have you had any response from mr. goodlatt do you think you'll get a hearing? >> we're going to stay on him wherever he goes until he gets those hearings. yeah, we're saying this is the selma of our time and we will follow him and demonstrate that republican leadership until we restore voting rights. it's great to see a movie about what happened 50 years ago,
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we're living through too much of the same thing. >> larry cohen on the move in virginia, as the protests continue in roan oak. let's turn now to reverend william barber the president of the north carolina naacp. good to have you with us tonight. how do you view this movement to restore the voting rights act. is this amendment going to take hold with americans? >> well it has to. when we talk about -- we need it now. when we see all of the tears and they say they love senator pinckney in south carolina the district he was a part of is not covered by the voting rights. it could be changed without preclearance. we need the flag to come down we need the hearings to come up and a vote on the voting rights act to come up. what this -- june 25th 2015 the supreme court opened the flood gates for a new season of null fiction, southern legislators throughout the south have been on an all out attack
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on voting rights and it has not just been stopping bills from coming -- they have actually gone back and taken away. in our state, they took away same day registration. they took away out of precinct voting they took away single shot ballot voting. they took away for 16 and 17-year-olds to preregister, this is our selma, it's the fight of the center. we go to court on july 13 to fight the worst and the first bill after shelbey. if we can -- really if we don't deal with voting rights, that also helps us deal with the issues from health care on the fact is the perpetrator has been arrested but the killer is still at large, the killer is continuous systemic racism that exists in the country that is exemplified in this denial of voting rights. >> bernie sanders and especially hillary clinton obviously support this bill and the
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republicans have been coy about this. how big of an election issue is this going to be that one party has candidates that are adamantly in favor of it and another party is almost silent on this? what do you make of it? >> it's going to be one of the loudest elections in terms of people going to the polls. and the reason why, because clearly now, what has happened in south carolina is put a micro scope on this it's forcing a new conversation about systemic racism denial and inequality. it was the depth of james reid that forced the consciousness of the nation to turn to do the voting rights act of 1965. people are livid that we have less voting rights less voting rights, 50 years after the voting rights act than we have today than we had in 1965 that ought to shake the entire consciousness of this country. we have less and part of it i
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believe, they know the demographics have shifted in the south, they know it's full of opportunity to vote if we can stop this apartheid, it's a new day in the south, the southern -- so called southern strategy is over and they know if that happens, you won't have legislative blocking health care you won't have them blocking criminal justice reform. >> well we'll see how it goes in the senate just how many republicans will go along with this, reverend william barber always a pleasure to have you on the ed show. thanks so much. my commentary on the long fight for health care in this country. and another prison worker is under arrest for allegedly aiding two prisoners who escaped. we'll have the latest from upstate new york next. ou have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me... and you're talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me reach for
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convicted killers are still on the run, believed to be in new york. in the last few hours, police have intensified their search in upstate new york, more than 1100 law enforcement officers from state, federal and local agencies are involved in the effort. meanwhile, a second clinton correctional facility employee has been charged with helping richard matt and david sweat break out on june 6th. 28 year prison officer worked in the honor block where the con victims were housed. palmer did not appear in court today. the court has been informed there is a possible change in his legal council. he is due in court on monday at 4:00 p.m. clinton county district attorney andrew wiley addressed the media a short time ago. >> i have to continue to evaluate this as we go on it's cooperation, truthfulness, he passed a polygraph test this weekend.
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>> nbc news has obtained a sworn statement from palmer where he confesses to providing paint materials to matt and accepted paintings from the prisoner. also in the statement, palmer said he helped sweat get through inmate investigations such as patdowns and searches. he also allowed him to access the catwalk behind his cell to do electrical work. palmer claims he never knew they planned to escape. the first arrest in the clinton connection to escape was prison taylor shop employee joyce mitchell. she's pleaded not guilty and remains in custody. joining me tonight is john yang in owl's head new york. what is the latest on this investigation? >> as you said it's in this area where they discovered last weekend a break-in in a cabin and turned up the dna of both of these escaped killers on the
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run. the intense search continues up here they have no evidence that they've left this area. they're still looking around here, they don't believe they've gotten far, they believe they're still on foot. gene palmer, the prison guard who has now been charged, the d.a. says he supplied them or he's the one who took the frozen ground beef from the taylor shop that joyce mitchell brought in with hacksaw blades and drill bits inside this hunk of ground beef. he's the one who took it to them, took the prisoners in the -- in their cells, eight days before the prison break. he also as you said showed them the catwalk that they used for their escape in november of 2014. this investigation continues, they still are looking to see who else might have helped them. >> thank you, john. reporting tonight from owl's
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passed in the last 50 years. it absolutely is amazing what's unfolding here. >> i think a lot of americans out there who have been gouged by the insurance industry that have been denied coverage that have had their coverage dropped, that have had to fight with cobra rates, and small businesses have been strapped this is a defining moment in our history when it comes to what our priorities are. we have chosen people over profit. >> well, that was march 21 2010. your old buddy ed on msnbc's special coverage of the affordable care act in congress on march 21st 2010. >> when i first came to msnbc i'm in my 7th year now, i started covering inging health care every day. i think i said public option more than anybody in the media in this country. that evening was a culmination of a brutal battle in congress
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that changed american lives for the better. two days later, president obama signed the affordable care act into law, and the republicans decided in obama care. the brutal fight over obama care has never ended. republicans in congress have voted to repeal it over 60 times, they made it the focal point of their election campaigns. republicans shut down the government in an effort to defund obama care only cost the treasury $25 billion. the supreme court has now heard two challenges of the law, they voted to uphold it for a second time. republicans have thrown a lot of ugly rhetoric at obama care consistently, but they can't argue with the facts. over 16 million uninsured americans have obtained health coverage since obama care passed. the uninsured rate for americans is at 13.2%. the consumer protections in this law are saving lives. insurance companies can't deny
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people coverage with pre-existing conditions and there are no lifetime limits on coverage. all good stuff that republicans never backed. the law is working, and it is saving lives. let's turn now to ari melber who has spent the day at the supreme court. from a legal perspective, what jumps out at you at the final ruling of this court? >> nice to see you ed and i will say, with regard to your open, and that night when you were covering it and these other days, there are days that matter in politics and law. today was one of those days what jumps out is chief justice roberts growing the economy here. last time this law was constitutional 5-4. this morning he said it's also legal and the congressmen the to fund health care throughout the whole country nationally. and that was 6-3. what that tells you is this is a growing majority and whether it's on the constitutional side
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or the what congress said side there's no appetite to knock down this law. a second point that important. everyone's making sense of the opinion. he also said future presidents cannot reinterpret the subsidy piece. it's fundamental to what the congress of 2010 the democratic congress was trying to do fund health care nationally. if this was a bitter pill for republicans to swallow, i'll tell you the bad aftertaste is justice robert ss -- >> a rri melber great reporting. let me bring in congressman jim mcdermott of washington and also congressman from california. congressman mcdermott we've had a lot of conversations about
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health care in this country. how big a day is this dr. mcdermott? >> it's a fabulous day, ed. we all knew that the court was going to decide this. i thought that john roberts did not want his legacy do asacy to be i've put 11 million people out on the street with health care. the fact that we got six votes instead of five that's a stamp of approval on this bill. i think we're now going to get the republicans to recognize they have to do some things to make it work better. it's not perfect, and it needs still. >> congressman garamendi, john boehner said he's not giving up on repealing the law. when did the democrats go into boehner and say, dude you have to give it up. are we at that moment yet? >> we were at that moment long ago, he's wrong on the constitution, he's wrong on the law, and he's wrong on what the american people want.
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the american people want health insurance, they want affordable health insurance, and they're able to get it they're able to get it through the affordable care act, obama care whatever you want to call it i have to fell you whether you are an older american in your 50s and 60s, and you have high blood pressure, this is critically important to you you're going to be able to get coverage no pre-existing conditions. and if you happen to be a young woman, 25 or 21 you're getting insurance, either through your family, and not be discriminated against because you are a woman. there are so many things in this bill preventative care for seniors. driving down the cost of health care. we have seen the lowest inflation rates in health care ever as a result of the affordable care act. it is good news for america, and this is a great day for every american, because we all need health insurance.
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>> how much of this is just anti-obama on the part of the republicans? and they just didn't want to see this president succeed, but maybe behind closed doors they admit what mr. garamendi is saying, maybe there's a lot of good stuff in this. what about all that? >> that's the root of the problem, they have always wanted to make him fail. and he -- when we put this together with him, and now it's clearly working, and they are really stuck, you're going to see governors all over this country who have denied their people access to medicaid now begin to make changes. you can't go into the election of 2016 saying that you forced a million people in your state not to have health insurance because you want to embarrass obama. that's not working for them. >> congressman, what do you think the politics of this looks
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like going-forward? are they going to gear campaigns toward repealing obama care now that the supreme court twice has upheld the law? >> they've certainly been stuck on that for at least since 2010 and will they get off it? they should. the american public is not with them on this issue. americans, particularly those that are among the 16 million that have insurance, this is a very, very important issue. and those who want to get insurance, they understand this is how they can get it. i look at the congress i look at my colleagues there, and i'm afraid they are stuck. they're going to come back just as boehner said we're going to try again says boehner, he's going to fail ultimately the president will veto it ultimately jim and i and the other democrats will uphold that veto. >> jim mcdermott gentlemen, great to have you with us and congratulations is in order. and a personal note my --
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>> thanks for your advocacy all these many years you've been on it, thank you. >> thank you, sir, i appreciate that. >> a personal note about our ed show team the first year i was here at msnbc, we never had a discussion about okay what's our lead story tonight. our team would come together we just all knew we're leading with health care that's just the way it was, we're proud of that to this day. bernie sanders gets a bump in the polls, he has a lot of ground to make up with one key group of voters. we'll tell about you that when we come back.
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welcome back. betterrnie sanders' momentum is picking up. clinton holds a 32 point lead over sanders in new hampshire. sanders' numbers have jumped six points in new hampshire and eight points in iowa since may.
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voters gave the senator higher marks than clinton on authenticity and willingness to take on wall street. sanders' growing popularity is putting clinton surrogates on defense. >> i think the media is giving bernie a pass right now. i very rarely read in any coverage of bernie that he's a socialist. >> ron paul got the same sized crowds. pat buchanan got massive crowds. it's not unusual for someone who has an extreme message to have a following and massive is relative. i think hillary had a massive crowd at her announcement. certainly as large as any crowd that bernie sanders has had. >> bernie sanders just responded within the last few minutes to that comment by claire mccaskill, senator from missouri. he said this is the first time a colleague has ever attacked me. you'll have to ask senator
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mccaskill why. one challenge facing bernie sand ders is his lack of visibility in the african american community. campaign advisers concede african-american votes are much more -- voters are much more familiar with clinton and sanders, the sanders camp says the candidate's struggle will be to get name recognition and also to make sure that they know what his policies are with that voting bloc on a broad scale. let me turn to ring of fire radio host also with us republican strategist and former spokesperson for president george w. bush. great to have you both with us. what do you think? here we go mike first shot over the bow from a fellow democrat to bernie sanders. he's a socialist. what do you make of it? >> i had a fundraiser to mccaskill, i really regret that now. because she didn't need to say that. bernie sanders has changed the narrative of the campaign. he's talking about what he's been all in his life.
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and he's there for the environment. he's there for campaign finance reform. all these things aren't just merely talking points. he's lived this. if you take a look at his record, and i mean if you just go right down the record after 25 years, his voting record is impressive on virtually everything. over the years, this is what he said he would bring us and this is what he's brought. he's against all forms of domestic spying proposed constitution to the amendment guaranteeing equal rights for gender voted in favor to strengthen medicaid medicare. this has to be troublesome for the gop because independents break with him and republicans who are rational thinkers agree with him, as well. you can go down -- >> mercedes i got to ask you, here you have a democrat attacking a democrat calling him a socialest. isn't this red meat for republicans? >> goodness gracious it's something the republicans always do. we're always going after each
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other. so, yeah it was shocking that she came out so strongly against bernie sanders. especially because he's starting to gain some traction in states like iowa and new hampshire. so again, he kind of has that calling for the liberal party base voter there. and i think that that is something that is starting to resonate in those states. the question for bernie sanders besides the fact that obviously he's having issues with certain core democratic constituencies like the african american community is does he have the grass roots capability. he doesn't have the are war chest. and those will be issues and ob kells that he will run into in other critical states. >> latest fox poll shows trump just four points behind bush as the republican pick. what do you think of trump? he has a little mojo right now. >> the polls will be going up and down and all the way around here. but in new hampshire for instance where he is placing that second place, you know what we've noticed in new
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hampshire, it's all about the ground game. and those in new hampshire are saying that trump does not have that visible ground game. so again, these polls will constantly changing. but there is something to be said although he's very radioactive and has these very raw comments he somehow basically is going into that republican voter and, you know trying to get in there, make his case. but he's being incredibly polarizing which i don't think will help him in the long time. >> mike we'll see a candidate take 11% and it turn it into 99%. if anybody can to it it's trufrl. what does he bring to the table? sgle has to overcome his insane gibberish. that does not just affect him, if affects the entire gop. when you look at the clown car that the gop has up there right now, this guy trump does not help that clown car a bit. as a matter of fact, if i was the gop, i'd be pleading for him to get out of the race.
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>> me, too. >> great to have you both with us. that's "the ed show." politics nation with reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on politics nation obamacare is here to stay. a huge win for the president. a huge setback freaking out and saying weird things about chief justice roberts. also a stunning twist in the tamir rice case. prosecutor's revelation about this video on what would have been tamir's 13th birthday. and hate won't win. funerals today in charleston as victims' families unite to create real change.