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goorve. good afternoon. i'm toure. residents are celebrating and thanking police. life is now beginning to return to pre-prison break norms. "the new york post" headline says blood, sweat and cheers. clever that on friday matt shot in the head by u.s. border patrol and killed. sunday afternoon sweat was taken into custody less than two miles from the canadian border. today new york governor cuomo told wcny radio that the initial plan was for the pair to head to mexico. >> when mitchell doesn't show up the mexico plan gets foiled and then they head north towards canada. and sweat actually disengaged from matt about five days ago. sweat felt that matt was slowing
him down as a matter of fact. >> so taken down by a single officer. new york state trooper jay cook who you see there. saw a man jogging, recognized him as david sweat. ordered him to stop. he was shot twice in the torso as sweat was about to disappear into the woods. sweat in serious condition but investigators will try to get as much information out of him as possible. questions like where were they the last 23 days? how did they evade police? who might have helped them in the big escape? one of the two people charged in the investigation will be back in court next hour corrections officer gene palmer. who denies knowing anything about the plan and not charged with helping the pair break out. msnbc's adam reiss in constable, new york where sweat was caught. life returning to normal slowly for the people up there. are they jubilant relieved? both casino how are the cows feeling? >> reporter: all of the above,
toure. two words for you. nightmare over. i can tell you everybody here is breathing a sigh of relief. they're opening their windows. they're going outside. kids are riding their bike. they're able to sleep at night. i talked to an officer from malone living three quarters of a mile from here. he said his wife was stressed out. his kids were stressed out. they just couldn't lead a normal life. today they are. i want you to look behind me toure. this is an amish farm. this is where sergeant cook apprehended david sweat on the road. apparently jogging along the road and sergeant cook yelled out for him. he didn't respond. he ran into that treeline you see behind me. made it back there. there's yellow police tape there right now where he was apprehended and where he was shot twice. he is now back in the hospital. he's been upgraded from critical to serious condition. once discharged the d.a. will charge him with breaking and entering and escape first
degree. he's got plenty of questions for him. we heard a little bit of governor cuomo about their plans once they got outside and we want to know more about how they got outside. toure? >> all right. adam, thanks for that report. let's bring in former fbi executive asissive director. what sweat is looking forward or not is the worst imaginable conditions in this prison or whatever prison they place him in and we know that being known as a snitch is the worst possible thing in a prison environment. what incentive does he have to share anything with these folks when he's already going to be in the worst position and if the other prisoners know that he snitched, then he's really in for it. >> there are a couple of things to think about. first of all, these people not humble and nice and why he's incarcerate incarcerated. he wanted to tell the story. able to evade police for so
long. maybe held up as a hero in prison. that being said he's likely to face these arduous conditions long term and probably going to be held isolation. he's going to have a lot of his activities restricted. he may be able to negotiate for small things. a pack of cigarettes. maybe a special meal. little things to us don't mean a lot but do to him. >> go a long way in his position. >> absolutely. >> what happens next? he is in critical condition. where does he go? he can't go back to the clinton correctional facility. where do they put him from here? >> new york state correctional has about 14 maximum security facilities beyond clinton. there's 60 total throughout the state. so they'll look for a facility they can put him in. he's not going back there. as tour said his life is going to be in jeopardy if he starts to talk people look out for him and kept in isolation. very unlikely ever put back into general population. this guy's going to be held
separate and apart. he has a long long time to think about this. >> not going back to the honor block i don't think. we heard the governor cuomo saying it looks like they split up five days ago. what more do we know about how exactly they were able to allude authorities for so long? >> as part of the ongoing investigation, they'll look at if they had additional help of any correctional officer. they went to multiple hunting cabins. at least one of which was owned by a correctional officer. they found provisions there. they found camouflage clothing. they found a weapon. so they're able to gain some basic necessities. to get by. they're hugging by the treeline. in camouflage clothes. they're aware. they hear people approaching and able to kind of evade moving in. also according to sources i have spoken to up there, using pepper to throw off the track of the dogs. the dogs tracking them putting it behind them to get it in the
nostrils and confuse them and wearing clothes that's not theirs. using that sub tratrafuge to avoid them. >> we're showing the dramatic photos of that actual altercation that led to the recovery. sergeant jay cook there. talk to us about the rules of engagement in this type of situation. everyone knows the term armed and dangerous. a classic example of a highly dangerous suspect. how does that work as they go up to him and try to take him alive? >> you know, the use of deadly force is used in two cases. when you believe that your life or the life of somebody else is in jeopardy. in this particular case the officer doesn't appear that his life was in jeopardy. sweat didn't have a weapon. didn't seem to be approaching him. you have a fleeing felon, a murderer going to get into the treeline potentially and then cause some impact on the
citizens there, posing a threat to them. he firls to use deadly force. i doubt very much he's trying to wound him. two shots in the torso from a 45 -- >> you're saying that you don't think that he was trying to take him alive. you're saying shooting to kill? >> when you put two shots into somebody's torso with a 45 more likely than not he died actually. i don't know what was in the officer's head. i think when you shoot, it's to stop somebody. and you shoot center of mass. 45 caliber. in the back. you're more likely than not going to die. >> do you think there's a desire to try to get that information so they would be better prepared? could have tried to shoot him in the head. trying to give him a chance to survive? >> all the facts haven't come out but from what i have heard thus far, he's running away. you know you line up on the target. you fire try to hit center of
mass. that's what you're shooting for. you stop somebody typically by putting those rounds in them and knocking them down. not to wound them. i don't know what he was thinking. i think that you want to take him alive if you believe you can get him and stop him. once he poses a danger to other citizens getting into the woods, there are other people there, that's a dangerous situation. >> now it's the takeaway. what can we learn from this? should prisons be concerned about relationships forming, whether the prisoners themselves or prison we are a prison worker? >> that's one of the top concerns. there's policies to stop the frat fraterization fraterization. they're looking at the process. that should never have happened or hopappened. might be sanctions for violations. that's a no-no. it should never have happened. >> you know look they did horrible things right? they're horrible people. but we cannot blame them for
trying to run away from prison. right? like i think that's what almost anybody would attempt to do in that situation. the fault lies with the folks at the prison who were being complacent doing the things that allowed them to acquire the tools and the information. >> that's meant to keep people inside. the human factor is element that allows them to get out. they're not going to get out without the assistance of somebody else. they clearly had that. perhaps getting outside, they might have had additional assistance. it begins and ends with human beings. the employees have a responsibility and obligation to protect the society from these people getting out. they violated that. they violated the trust. there are going to be sanctions. >> yeah. the motions of friendships forming between inmates and the staff, that is not supposed to happen. >> sergeant jay cook i think should be pointed out is a hero in this. >> i agree. absolutely. >> thank you so much. you're a hero too. that's just one of the stories
we're following right now. also ahead, on the show how the white house is responding to questions about america's security this july fourth. one new york congressman warns this is the biggest threat he's heard of since 9/11. the supreme court wraps up the term today. not without another controversial ruling. we have to tell you about. tomorrow is deadline day for nuclear deal with iran. so why did that country's top negotiator leave the talks? that and more. "the cycle" rolls on. monday june 29th. my school reunion's coming fast. could be bad. could be a blast. can't find a single thing to wear. will they be looking at my hair? won't be the same without you bro. when it's go, go to the new choicehotels.com. the site with the right room, rewards and savings up to 20% when you book direct.
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and we are back now with some breaking news. nbc universal is cutting ties with donald trump over his recent comments about mexican imgrants. nbc's entertainment division released this statement saying at nbc respect and dignity for all people are cornerstones of our values. due to the recent derogatory statements of donald trump regarding immigrants nbc universal is ending the business relationship with mr. trump. the network will not air the annual pageants that were part of a joint venture with trump. the relationship with "celebrity apprentice apprentice" will continue. we should note that msnbc is part of the universal family. trump was asked about the decision in a media avail after addressing the city club of chicago. quoet, i think as far as ending the relationship i have to do that because my view on immigration is much different than the people at nbc.
trump also stands by his original comments. also developing right now, a new jersey man arrested today accused 0 of trying to link up with isis in syria. the feds say that he had regular contact with others in the new york area with similar plans to fight with terrorists overseas. while here on u.s. soil, new concerns this holiday week homeland security and the fbi issued a bulletin to local police departments throughout the country warning them to be on high alert or regular alert rather this fourth of july for possible terror attacks targeting celebrations but pressed by reporters in this afternoon's white house briefing press secretary josh earnest tried to put that threat into perspective. >> there is no specific credit l intelligence to indicate any threats against celebrations over the fourth of july weekend. but we're certainly mindful of the unique environment and advance of this fourth of july holiday. the thing i would reiterate is there's no credible intelligence
to end katd any threat against celebrations over the fourth of july weekend. >> bradley she riber was senior adviser for homeland security and now runs a consulting firm. nice to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. >> if we could start on the potential alert for this weekend, we have seen these alerts and these threats across other poll lay weekends. is this one any different? is there any elevated threat here we haven't seen in the past? >> well there have been certainly threats against varying events over the course since 9/11. but this one does give a bit of pause because it involves isil and starting to take isil differently from a terrorist group as i like to call them terrorism 2.0 unlike al qaeda and other organizations because of the different business model they're currently usinge inging and we have to make sure as we're doing our daily lives, at work, at play or home do everything to keep our head on a swivel if you will and see something you say
something to law enforcement officials. >> and bradley, one of the benefits wefr in the united states we are one of the toughest places for terrorists to get to. we also have the best intelligence in the world. but that being said, we live in a different environment now with a concern of our own sympathizers here in the u.s. responding to calls of isis. just this morning a new jersey man arrested actively trying to get to syria. how should americans think about this? what should they be doing if anything different to protect themselves and help law enforcement do their job? >> first and foremost i think americans should do whatever they do on july fourth having a picnic or a fireworks show or what have you. what we need to do is what we have always done is make sure that we do everything we can to be as prepared far situation as we possibly can. you know if you took a look what happened after the boston bombing, it was clear that the general public had a very good sense of what to do in a
situation like that. and we have to continue that education and that vigilance as we're going forward. the situation with the gentleman in new jersey with how we perceive and work with the potential threats, as i said earlier, isil is different ball game from other terrorist original saiss. you don't have a standard command and control structure. you now have an affiliation model where anybody says like an american political party, i am a member of isil and going to commit the terrorist acts. and isil seems to be very very happy to be able to take that credit whether or not they had command or control to begin with. >> brad, you talk about affiliates of isis we have to talk about the core the root of the problem going back to saudi arabia. and sell think saudi arabians. wickkileaks has cables of them secretary of state hillary clinton saying it's an ongoing
challenge to persuade saudi officials and says donors constitute some of the most significant sources of funding for sunni groups and until we deal with that we're dealing with this problem. >> well i'm not sure to be honest if i agree with the premise of your question only because it's not -- the saudis contribute to what's happening but they weren't the cause, the root cause. the situation in syria is clearly what is driving -- driven the creation of isil and the continuation of it. and unfortunately, our policy is murky. the u.s. policy is murky and so we have to take a look at that and then we have to take a look as you pointed out the funding mechanisms. they're almost become self sustaining with the cities and oil refineries captured and the social -- >> but they may not have gotten to this level at all, this level
of maturity without the initial help of saudi arabia's upper class. >> absolutely. we have to -- but saudi arabia for us is always been a dual-edged sword. the kingdom is supportive of united states policy in the at least and the members, the citizens contributed greatly to terrorism, not just there but globally. >> so what do you make of the emphasis on recruiting people to join isis and social go abroad right? i mean, that does seem to be a very different emigration model than laktd trying to train people and bring them in the united states. most of the material support prosecutions but the justice department have been against people here trying to go there. >> correct. and their position isil's position is that they want to establish caliphate. almost a year since they established a caliphate and the model is to create this country for themselves and their way of life going forward. al qaeda had a much different
objective line and wanted to premove if you will the infidels of islamic territory. that was their motivation. >> all right. bradley, thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you having me. up next the supreme court term ends with a bang. another major ruling in a week that was certainly full of them. ari with the details next. or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision or any symptoms of an allergic reaction stop taking cialis and get medical
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supreme court term ended today with big decisions on the environment, campaign reforms and the death penalty which drew some of the biggest fireworks. justice an alito reading the ruling from the bench and justice brier called on the court to go bigger and consider whether the death penalty itself is cruel and unusual and unconstitutional punishment. then justice scalia rebutted. a disagreement on the bench.
ost the lay day of a term with dispresence. joining us now, an expert that lived it all up close. analyst tom goldstein. we want to mention he worked on more petitions to the court than any other lawyer in private practice. good day to you. >> hey, ari. how are you, man? >> doing well. let's start with the disagreement today. unusual fireworks for people that follow the court closely but even if you don't you look at the back and forth between the dissent and chief justice roberts on obamacare, walk us through what it means and learning here as the term winds down. >> we saw an uptick in those very close 5-4 decisions that it's the conservatives frequently lined up against the more liberal justices. 26 cases this term that were 5-4 or 6-3 so very close on the
ideological lines. and the battles just got very heated. you can tell that the supreme court when the justices do start reading the dissenting opinions from the bench and concurring opinions. we heard more and more of it. justice scalia saying it's gobbledy gook. >> the dissent in the marriage equality decision was so something. let me read some of it to you. human dignity cannot be taken away by the government. slaves did not lose dignity anymore than their humanity. the government cannot bestow dignity and it cannot take it away. tom, what do you make of that? >> that's a little bit hard to follow. i'll be honest. i think that justice thomas is reacting to what he thinks is the kind of squishyiness of justice kennedy's opinion of a constitutional right to same-sex marriage and refers to dignity and justice thomas saying is i
don't see it in the constitution but the remarks of slavery struck me as a little tone deaf and maybe not quite right. >> there was a lot of celebration over the weekend, too. what passed on friday marriage equality, especially right here in new york city. but, tom, not everyone was celebrating that including some folks running for president. scott walker announcing any day now he is running. he denounced the decision as a grave mistake. called for the constitutional -- called for an amendment to reverse it. ted cruz is another one. said the high court crossed into the realm of alogarchy. tom, give us a sense legally here for those against this is there anything to possibly be done to reverse? i mean you look at abortion for example. it is the law of the land. the governors and legislatures maybe put law in place to make it harder to get an abortion but
it is the law of the land. is there anything done here to overturn this? >> there's room to maneuver like with abortion but with marriage equality, comes the obamacare, those issues are settled now. the only way for that to change is if the composition of the court changes. we do have four justice es. the next president can change the shape of the supreme court. and tilt things one way or another. >> they have decided to take a look at an affirmative action case out of texas interpreted as a potentially bad sign for those who support affirmative action. tell us what this all means. >> this is an example of the court changing. the supreme court with o'connor -- into account of a fact or in admissions but then she left and replaced by justice
alito and now further in the direction that it is unconstitutional race discrimination and taking up the texas program again having kicked it down to a lower court and civil rights groups are rightly worried about the case. >> we heard this term described as liberal but i wonder if that's unfair to democrats and republicans alike. gay marriage seems to be an example where both parties very against it for a very long time relatively recent changes. and people in both parties moving toward it. the court setting a standard. is there perhaps something here's that's idealistic. >> the country moved like a rocket ship on the question of marriage equality and gay rights in general. they're talking about judicial conservative and there you do have, you know, four people on each side of the supreme court and the conservative justice kennedy in the middle and what
happened this term was in the 26 close cases -- more liberal side won which is a real surprise for the rontberts court. >> all right. thank you. >> thank you. and after friday's ruling love winls was the top global hash tag and just as easily could have applied to charleston where i was covering the funeral for rev pinkerend pinckney. i snapped this picture. on sunday vice president joe biden attended services and spoke to the congregation of dealing with pain and with loss. >> no words can mend a broken heart. no music can fill the gaping void. at least in my experience, only faith. >> and meantime, the internet is still buzzing about president obama's amazing moment from friday's services singing "amazing grace" before a crowd. the room of people i watched
with cheered and broke into song when he did that. 56 the services former senior adviser to president obama rick wade told me where charleston goes from here. >> i'd never seen south carolina in this community come the way -- come together the way it has. and the challenge is to sustain that and again as president obama not slipped into a silence but to keep the love the forgiveness going. poverty and health care for the poor, those are the kind of things that senator pinckney believed in. it is our job to keep those issues alive. >> we'll be back with much more after this.
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they've been all over the map. senator ted cruz said this on the "today" show. >> you were quoted as saying the two decisions represented some of the darkest 24 hours in american history. i have to say that took me back. i remember dark days in american history. 9/11. dred scott. is it right up there with you with that? >> twice back to back the u.s. supreme court, a majority of the justices violated their judicial oath. on thursday of last week the court rewrote obamacare. and then the next day the supreme court rewrote the constitution and threw out the marriage laws of all 50 states. >> senator rand paul in an op-ed in "time" yesterday said the government should get out of the business of issuing licenses altogether. new jersey governor christie expected to announce the presidential run tomorrow saying the voters should have decided this and not the court. a senior editor at "the new republican" and a friend of the show. you know brian, before the marriage equality decision was announced, a lot of people on a
lot of networks said that the republicans secretly wanted it sided against them in the progressive direction so that they could take this issue off the table. they wouldn't have to talk about it anymore. that notion mass been proven to be false. because the republican presidential candidates most of them, not jeb, most of them are doubling down. why are they still fighting this? i thought the culture wars were with over. >> so i think that it's useful to imagine what would have happened if the ruling had gone the other way. in the aftermath of the decision on friday all the republican candidates get asked about it and hear opinions. you have heard opinions from ted cruz and mike huckabee and should have been reversed and lindsey graham and jeb bush saying i don't agree but let's use it as a moment to say we lost and we can now focus on, you know, protecting religious bakers or florists and get away
from the question of whether gay people have the right to marry. i think it's a much different -- much more volatile of an issue if the ruling went the other way and dominant question in the debates leading up to the nomination. now i think it plays a much different role. i don't think that the view that, you know the president should be spearheading the states to pursue a constitutional amendment is gaining traction even in the republican pry myrrh. >> interesting. not many people think about the reaction of the other direction. it's an interesting point. jeb bush is definitely playing the long game here saying he does support this as the law of the land. others not so much. toure mentioned ted cruz on "today" show this morning. here's more of what he had to say about gay marriage. >> i have spent my life fighting to defend the constitution and there is a constitutional means.
if someone wants to change the marriage laws in a state, the way the constitution allows to do so is to convince your fellow citizens. >> he did an interview with katie couric and essentially blamed the decision on judges hollywood, on the liberal elite saying they're shoving this down americans' throats. you look at all recent polling on this. not just young people that support marriage equality but majority of americans that support this and i have to think about let's say hypothetically a donald trump that ultimately is the nominee in the republican party, when's their message then at the gop convention? they're not only speaking to primary voters but the party as a whole and to the country as a whole and then running for president of the united states. >> yeah. you know i always say if a presidential candidate says they're going to pursue a constitutional amendment on behalf of just about anything that you should you know grab
your wallet or something like that. it's very very difficult to amend the constitution and the president doesn't have an official role in doing that. right? i think the question for the proximate question is it nlg tating that ted cruz is going, sbik date jeb bush to say i would support it too, and then the general election and where hillary clinton or whoever the democratic nominee is going to be is able to hammer them. i imagine it's a popular decision. but i don't know how you walk away from it once you say i support the amendment to take the marriage away from the people just granted it. >> it's tough. >> there's a tactic i don't understand which is to start talking about how now we have to make sure to protect the religious freedom and liberty of people who might be adversely affected by the decision and
harkens back to that debate about the indiana religious freedom law and governor mike pence really pushed on isn't this a license to discriminate against gay people and didn't end well for him and the other republican governors around the country contemplating similar legislation. businesses were very unhappy including people like walmart and saying they weren't going to do -- they didn't say this specifically but others not doing business in the states if the laws were on the book. is this the direction they go back in? >> i don't think so. mike pence is pretty conservative religious governor. losing this fight, they lose the fight everywhere. if it's fought on that ground. i think that you can kind of see this in some of the remarks they made and graham's statement that they're vigilant about protecting religious liberties for all americans and, you know it's possible that they're thinking of the florist, the baker, the kinds of people that you know inspired these fights
in the states, the situation in indiana, et cetera. if this sort of point of contention were to spread into other kinds of religiously affiliated institutions, nonprofits started to see tax exempt statuses threatened as a result of hiring practices at schools and churches you might end up with a political fight republicans have a stronger hand in because i think that it's much less controversial to say, you know i want my religious school to operate in accordance with the practices than to store to refuse to serve gay customers. and if that's the direction things go then i think it would turn out to be a very interesting fight with sort of an unpredictable outcome. but if it's just as it was in indiana, then i don't think republicans can win that fight anywhere. >> so there's a victory for pro-choice advocates today at the court. the court agreed to put a hold
on court rulings that reduced the number of abortion clinics in texas so i mean abortion is never that far away from the tip of the tongue. talking about politics and the justice system. the battle to shape the character of the court is always part of our presidential race. but this time when you think about the age of the justices right, breyer almost 77 the swing vote, kennedy, almost 79, i almost want to forget about scalia scalia, a youthful 80. this is the time when a republican candidate says this is the closest we have ever been to overturning roe v. wade. come with me and turn the liberal seats into conservative seats. >> they would be making an honest promise by making that. with respect to the supreme court it's a knife's edge. the liberals celebrating and replace one or two liberal
justices with roberts or thomases, right, and suddenly things now going 5-4 for liberals go for conservatives. and that means that even though obamacare seems like it's safe for now, might not be forever. as you were saying you know something like roe v. wade revisited and liberals in general not appreciated how powerful an instrument the supreme court is but if hillary clinton is smart, i think she will use this point as an argument in her own favor. everything is very very close in the court and what you want is a democrat in office to replace a retiring justice. >> if we add some roberts into the court, it's ayos ees's chaos. thank you once again for your time. >> thank you. up next, the deadline for the historic deal with iran supposed to be tomorrow. why our andrea mitchell report this is's not going to happen. plus the latest installment
about what's holding this up before heading back to vienna. >> there are clearly areas to be resolved in terms of how exactly what varies sanctions relief. there are clearly remains theishes of working out the specifics between iran and the iaea. >> britain, france germany, china and russia, a key ally is involved in the negotiations. last month russia decided to sell an air defense system to protect the nuclear sites. the relationship of russia and iran is highlighted in the latest installment of a spy series of daniel silva. in the english spy, draws the art of protagonist into the art of espionage and joining us now is former middle east correspondent daniel silva. thank you so much. >> thank you for having with us. >> 15th book in the series.
18th overall. >> wow, wow. >> not like a shrivelled up crushed person i am after writing 18 books in 18 years. >> congratulations. >> unbelievable. >> that is truly amazing. start with the iran talks with the deal potentially being moved after tomorrow. >> what a shocker. >> yeah. >> what a shocker. another deadline comes and goes. >> you said you're not crazy about the talks but you're also not crazy about us attacking iran. if it's inevitable to have a nuclear iran in the future, aren't these the two options we have and which one is the better one? >> no. the first option that we have is a better deal. and look. this deal i feel that it just sort of delays the inevitable. it leaves them with a very strong nuclear program in place. it sort of diffuses the issue. it takes the issue off the table
for a few years. but ultimately iran is going to be able to develop a nuclear bomb. that's just -- there's -- there's no question about that. nuclear bomb. there is just no question about that. i wish we could have had a stronger deal that really really did some damage to their enrichment program. that is not going happen. but i think the sticking point right now is really the inspection inspections. and we have got to be able to go in and inspect any time anywhere. and if we don't have the inspections regime that we need i don't see how this deal floats. >> why do you think it is inevitable they are going to develop the nuclear bomb. >> we are 1.5 months away right now from breakout. so we are leaving their enrichment facilities in tact. yes we are reducing their centrifuges. but in 10 years theblink of an eye in the history of the mideast.
restrictions on enrichment start to expire. so it is not preventing iran from becoming a nuclear weapon. it is postponing iran's becoming a nuclear power. in my humble opinion. >> center to your novel is russia and russia's relationship with the west and the things they are doing. >> and with iran. >> and with iran. and the things they are doing to undermine the relationship that the western countries have with each other as well. in your research for this what did you discover about the way that russians view us and the way that putin in particular views us. >> did you see the great pictures this week or i guess last week of the theme park the new theme park in moscow where you go and play on the tanks and missiles. this military theme park he's built outside moscow. to where children can go play on tanks and armored personnel carriers and shoot missiles and
bazookas and things like that. and it is all part of a very elaborate program of indoctrination and propaganda taking place. i use the term putin youth. it is used in russia. children are sent away at a very early age to camps. russians are fed a steady steady diet of antiamerican propaganda right now. and the average russian thinks very poorly of americans right now. >> so let's talk about your most recent book. it always is very much paralleled to reality. how important is that a novel like this has some degree of reality in it in terms of helping people understand what is going on in the world? >> i think it is critical right now. back in the days when i started reading books like this there was no internet. we weren't -- there weren't shows like this on in the middle of the day. now americans, people -- we're just consume information constantly. we just spent 15 minutes talk gt
ab isis. i know when people read my books they are sitting there on a computer looking up things everything that i put in the book. so thriller writing has changed. you have to be b right on on the of it. >> thank you for being with us daniel silva. next, a story everyone who believes in justice should hear with the hightest standard of animal care in the world, our whales are healthy. they're thriving. i wouldn't work here if they weren't. and government research shows they live just as long as whales in the wild. caring for these whales, we have a great responsibility to get that right. and we take it very seriously. because we love them. and we know you love them too. ♪ [music] ♪ jackie's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
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but browder's story is real. officer stopped him, found no evidence but he was arrested. bail was $3,000. he could not pay. he went to reichers island and would wait there for trial. for three years. the justice system seems designed to have people plead out. if you insist on trial you might wait a long time. in the bronx, 165 went to trial and almost 4,000 were pled out. many plead guilty just to they can go home. kalif insisted he was innocent and rejected multiple offers from prosecutors. he wanted a trial. but he had to wait on rikers island where according to u.s.
attorney general there is a deep seeded violence. and can have catastrophic psychological effects. kalif spent almost 800 days in solitary. he tried to kill himself many times. a judge offered him a deal. plead guilty and you can go home right now. kalif refused. and then after three years on the island and 31 court appearances the da moved to dismiss the case against him. kalif went home but a piece of reichers followed him there. in my mind i'm still mentally scarred. he got his ged and went on to college. he went on the view and huff post live. >> this happens every day and i feel it's got to stop. there are a lot of people in
there for stuff they didn't do and they got to be in there for about three years. and when they get in like me a lot of people will take the plea deal and take it knowing they didn't do it and that happens every day. >> june 6th of this about three years ago. kalif wrapped an air conditioner electrical cord around his neck and pushed himself out of his window. his mom found his body. he was 22 years old. since then a long-standing lawsuit has led to an end for solitary confinement. and the mayor has vowed to speed up the court system. this young man was failed by the system over and over and over. and the crazier thing is i bet he is not alone. i bet there is someone who can tell a very similar story whose not far away from you right now. if you want to read more of kalif's story.
in the new yorker titled "before the law." a boy accused of taking a backpack. the courts took the next three years of his life. this is not the country we're supposed to have. that's it for the cycle. now with ari melber starts right now. >> we begin with breaking news on two fronts right now. gene palmer the corrections officer accused with providing mattcontraband. and nbc universal announcing today it has broken ties with businessman and now republican presidential candidate donald trump in response to comments he made about mexican immigrants in the speech announcing his campaign. >> when mexico sends their people they are not sending their best. they are sending people that
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