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that does it for us tonight. see you again tomorrow. now it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> in addition to that maine special prosecutor if they get one it sounds like there are issues for the u.s. attorney to look in to too. >> the fact that the governor admits he did this. he doesn't like it to be called blackmail but admits every piece of it. i don't think this will end well for him. >> amazing story. thank you, rachel. well, president obama was asked a ridiculous question today. was last week his best week ever and his answer did not surprise any of the husbands or the fathers who were listening. >> i have had good weeks in my lively tell you. >> new polling shows the president's approval at a two-year high, topping 50%. >> i think last week was gratifying. >> that may have something to do
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with the victories. >> the affordable care act, speaks for himself. >> for all the people saying he was a lame duck president, think that was proven wrong. especially the eulogy in charleston. >> my remarks with heart felt. it wasn't a celebration. it was a culmination of work i have been doing since i came in office. >> president obama lives in his own word not our world. >> chris christie's attempt at a come back. >> he couldn't be elected dog catcher if he ran in new jersey. >> that's why today i'm proud to announce my candidacy for the republican nomination for the president of the united states of america. >> 69% of his fellow citizens felt he did not have the temperament to be a president. >> america is tired of hammering, indecisiveness and weakness in the oval office. >> the results speak for themselves.
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president obama's approval numbers are up in a cnn/orc poll released today. at 50% for the first time in two years. his approval on the economy is 52%. the first time that has gone above 50% in that poll in the last six years. after his eulogy for the reverend clementa pinckney in south carolina, 55% say they approve of how president obama is handling race relations. that's up 50% last month. a white house press conference today, president obama was asked if last week was his best week ever. >> in terms of my best week -- my best week, i will tell you, was marrying michelle. that was a really good week. malia and sasha being born, excellent weeks. there was a game where i scored 27 points. that was pretty good week.
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i have had some good weeks in my life, i will tell you. i'm blessed to have had those. in many ways last week was a culmination of a lot of work i have been doing since i came in office. how am i going to spend whatever political capital i built up? the list is long, and my instructions to my team and my instructions to myself have always been that we are going to squeeze every last ounce of progress that we can make when i had the privilege, as long as i had the privilege of holding this office. >> reporter: the president is planning to announce more progress tomorrow on normalizing relations with cuba. secretary of state john kerry will announce tomorrow whether the united states and cuba reached an agreement on opening embassies in each country. david axelrod, msnbc political analyst david corn and political correspondent kasie hunt. david axelrod in the game where
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he scored 27 points was that a presidential basketball game where everyone gets out of the way and lets him go? >> i think not. i think he was harkening back to his high school days. i think he has enough humility to not count these best day of his life games. don't ask me. i'm the guy who almost broke his nose in a basketball game as he whisked by me. i would be the last guy to judge. where do you place last week the obama presidency? >> obviously it was a strong week. you know, for a variety of reasons. he had worked hard on this trade bill. it was thought to be dead. it came back. but you said today and i think he was right that what it was a
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culmination of a number of things. the affirmation of the health care act was a culmination of, you know, six-year effort on his part. it was -- so it was satisfying, but it wasn't like a lightning bolt. the supreme court ruling on same-sex marriage was the result of a series of actions over a long period of time. some his, some by others. and obviously, you know, the thing i thought was most striking last week, those things were momentous and i was in tears on both of those days but the eulogy down in south carolina to me was also part of a continuum. it was a theme about america's progress and its difficult wrestling with the issue of race over our long history. this is something i have heard him come back to again and again. it's been a theme of his life. yes, it was a really good week,
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but it was a week that was a culmination of a lot of work and thought over a long period of time. >> david, what i was struck by when he was asked the question, was wait a minute, a week in which you have to go to that funeral and give that eulogy that is a tragic, horrible circumstance. but the president did manage to weave it in to the fabric of the week. he didn't forget about that by any means when he talked about the good things that happened last week. >> the title change and the use of the confederate flag were not part of the obama agenda. while, you know, very sad, you know, event led to that consequence was also a step forward for the country. his speech at that moving eulogy was part of that. it's hard to claim that as a political win given the horrific event that came out of that but if you can get any good out of something like that, part of that, that's a good week, too.
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but david axelrod will remember that there have been other good weeks, after the lame duck session after the democrats lost control of the house in 2010. they passed a second stimulus, don't ask don't tell, nuclear arms treaty with russia. all things that people thought weren't possible. i hate these athletic metaphors but there seem to be times when the president is able to sort of really turn it on and get the points on the board whether he is playing basketball or not. past week showed the ability of his agenda to prevail very strongly at a key moments. >> kasie, i'd normally be reluctant to score supreme court decisions as presidential wins, except when the president has put two justices on that court without whom you wouldn't have these wins. >> that's true. but you have to remember the architects of this decision or in particular one architect justice kennedy has been long
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time coming to this. i think if you think not in terms of is in the best week of his life but what does it mean in the context of history. david, you talking about the speech in charleston, how that will fit in the context of the president on race and as a country. you have seen grappling with this in different ways like ferguson, baltimore. is in the end of the story? absolutely not. but it is a note that the fulcrum of history may turn on, absolutely. for this president it is a remarkable point. he's been freed in the last -- he's not running for anything anymore. maybe that's why we see his approval ratings going up the way they are. but it is clear he is looking at his job differently too. >> david axelrod, the victory in the trade bill was the first thing that happened in the week and the thing that made washington go oh, wow. here was the president
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strategizing, legislating in a way we have never seen before, working with the senate republican leader of the house and doing it as well as masterfully as he had done when working with democrats getting things through. >> that's true. it was noteworthy because of that cooperation. i want to say we should think back. david mentioned the surprise bounty of things that got done in the wake of the midterm in 2010. let's think back eight months ago. everyone was hanging crepe on the white house. people were suggesting he may take the next two years off because he wasn't going to get anything done. i think it is important, looking back on last week to see how wrong that was. part of the reason it was wrong, at least in the case of trade, there is impetus on the part of the republican leadership to prove they can govern and do things with this president. i'm not sure they are done. i think there are other
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things -- he mentioned one today, infrastructure, criminal justice reform. there are other things that can get done between now and the end of his administration. >> let's listen to what the president said he hopes they can get done. >> i am really interested in the possibilities, the prospect of bipartisan legislation around the criminal justice system. we have seen some really interesting leadership from some unlikely, you know, republican legislators. very sincerely concerned about making progress there. >> david corn, a little reach out to rand paul there. >> a little. we'll see how far that gets. the whole business over the transpacific partnership though might be overblown if we are talking about a new bipartisan era. that was an agenda item on the
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republican agenda. corporate america, chamber of commerce wanted this. and the republicans almost botched it. they had majority in both chambers an almost blew it on the way they structured the rules in the house and other matters. the president was able to get that and turn to other issues that may be important to him. you may not find that republicans are ready to put aside obstructionism and work with him on criminal justice reform and immigration reform and other matters. >> we're going to take a break. in the next segment i will ask the most difficult question of the night and i need some time to decide who will get that question. will elizabeth warren endorse bernie sanders? chris christie tells matt lauer how he's doing with anger management and there's a huge enthusiasm gap between democrats and republicans about the presidential campaign. and democrats are on the wrong side of that gap.
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buzzfeed decided to start to audition replacements. first up ted cruz. >> smithers, release the hounds. excellent. >> hi-diddly-ho. >> one of the great exchanges between homer and lisa. but dad, i'm a vegetarian. i don't eat animals. but lisa, animals are so delicious. one of the great classic episodes when they run for president, i'm running for
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president now and it's really tough. forwards, not backwards, upwards, not downwards and always twirling, twirling for freedom. i have been told many times i have a face for radio and a face for animation. >> all right kasie hunt, take your time. any simpson characters you want. >> i'm going show my age by saying i was not allowed to watch "the simpsons." i can think of it during the commercial. >> up next, why are chris christie and all the other republican losers, the ones with no chance of winning, why are they actually running for president?
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ticket including the vice presidential slot. jeb bush, john mark coe rubio and lindsey graham has a chance of getting the nomination, just the joe biden did without attacking the front runner. rand paul and ted cruz seem to be running to raise their profiles in the senate. others hope to come out with higher speaking fees. donald trump is running his campaign to maintain his fame. then you have a group of absolutely hopeless loser governors and former governors. bobby jindal, rick perry, george pataki anne and chris christie. they will be the first to drop out this the race. why are they even getting in to this thing? we are joined by brian murphy, a former reporter and professor.
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he has been reporting on the george washington bridge scandal. david axelrod, you have worked with candidates and i have a theory why chris christie is running. i think for him not running would feel to him like pleading guilty in the george washington bridge scandal. he'd rather have his campaign dream publicly end in a concession speech than staying home with his family and never getting in to the race. i think for christie that would feel like surrender to his enemies. >> that may be. i can't crawl in to his head. a couple of years ago, he got in to a jam of his staff's own creation he was the hottest ticket in republican politics. in some ways you can see why. he's sort of the anti-obama. he is discourteous and a guy who's going to take you by the neck and lead in that way. he's the antithesis of the president's style. republicans love that until he
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hit the giant speed bump. it's hard to part with that notion that you were that close to being a real contender and beyond which, lawrence, where's he going to go? he's never going to be governor of new jersey again. his numbers there are atrocious. so what does he have to lose here really? we are in a new age, by the way. he may not qualify for this. but we are in an age of politics where you have to -- and they will put gas in your tank and. >> term limit governors and politicians with nothing can lose can crowd a field. >> why is he doing this? >> because his in-state situation is so bad, his approval numbers are so low. >> he's i think jindal is the at
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least popular governor in the country and christie is the second least popular. >> he's going tomorrow to visit paul lepage. maybe an endorsement in the works here. that's sort of where things are. the delivered money to the governors, not well liked at home. the state is 48th in job creations. the story, the jersey story is not a good story. the only thing keeping him alive at home is the aura of his presidential run. he has to do this. if he doesn't he's dead. >> kasie hunt you were there. you have a lot of travel to plan, it would be nice to know now when he will give the concession speech? >> christie is a natural. >> a natural what? >> a natural politician. he's good at this. that's more than we can say.
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>> what is the approval numbers here? 37% of voters say they will never vote for republican voters will never vote for him for president. and the new jersey thing, his popularity in new jersey is like 30%, something like that. >> i would challenge you. >> the point that this guy, possibly the second worst politician in america is good at politics. >> i would challenge you to go and stand in the same room and watch him work it. you have done this. >> i have seen him in new hampshire he was good at that when he was out there for mitt romney. his life has changed since then and he has this horrible scandal. >> i think the media had a role in playing him up because he's a larger than life character. he's -- we like characters like this. he is well past his shelf life.
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you can only be bombastic and a bully for so long and it works well fur out there seemingly helping a state in a time of disaster and working bipartisan in washington and kicking butt to make things happen. he has had nothing to show that his bullying produces in a good way. i think after a while people get tired of a bully no matter how good he maybe at a town hall meeting. you can only say sit down and shut up so long before people think, maybe you should sit down and shut up. >> brian, is he completely deluded? does he actually think there is a possibility or is this just to say to everyone, you know, i said i was going to do it and i'm going to do it? >> hard to tell. the strategy they have sort of laid out is you do well in new hampshire and then you sweep the new england primaries and somehow there's a magic third step. somehow you win the gop
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nominating electorate over to you. in the laws of the universe that we operate in, it's not possible. >> all right. i have the toughest question of the night. do you want it or you want to pass. >> why don't you ask. >> you can pass after i ask it. why is george pataki running for president? he has no speaking fee number to get up. this is the biggest mystery on the list. do you need more time? >> i really don't have a good answer for you. >> let's go to david corn and see if he has it. george pataki, why is he running for president does he hate living in new york that much? >> i can think of one thing, it will get him out of the house. >> brian, you want to take a shot? >> no. >> thank you very much for your
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>> i think what sets me apart is the state where i come from. i mean, this is hand-to-hand combat every day. it is a democratic legislature
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who's finding all the time. you have to learn to bring in compromise. red states don't have a lot of experience in doing that. they are the same party and basically agree with each other. what i have experienced in new jersey is much more like what you will experience in washington, no matter who makes up the congress. >> chris christie told matt lauer how he is doing with his big project -- anger management. >> it's been a long journey, governor, to this announcement. back in 2012 with, a lot of your fellow republicans urged you to run and you declined. some of them look and go that was miss moment. do you worry that you can't capture that genie and put him in a bottle? >> no. here's the most important thing in 2011 and 2012 i was not ready to be president. you don't run just because you think you can win.
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you have to think you can win and you are ready to do the job. i wasn't ready, matt. >> following bridge gate i saw a quieter chris christie, a reflective chris christie. today it seemed like a relaunch of the blunt chris christie of old. >> there's no question that the badgering and battering that i took in the media and the stress of having something bad happen on your watch, no doubt made me more reflective and i'm still that reflective person and more reflective than in 2011 or 2012. >> if that old brand was the combative, straight-talking in your face guy, who's the brand today. >> the same guy with more wear on the tires. little more wear on the tires. a little more wisdom. i think that is great for anyone who will be president of the united states. >> some republicans worry about your temper. do you have the temperament to be the president of the united states? >> absolutely. there have been very few times in the course of my governorship where i have lost my temper.
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it's happened but very few times. >> if you want to have the conversation, i'm happy to have it but until that time sit down and shut up. it is a controlled anger. i'm angry about the fact our urban kids can't get a good education. and i think america wants someone willing to fight for that as long as the anger is controlled and with me it is, almost all the time. >> how do you think you will stack up against the 13 candidates. >> i believe in myself and what i have to offer the american people and i believe i have always been able to connect with real people. i think if i do those things over the next 18 months i will be the next president of the united states and if i don't i won't. >> you can see more including behind the scenes access tomorrow morning on "today." coming up, with every democratic presidential candidate sounds like elizabeth
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campaign. democrats are on the wrong side of it. 67% of republican voters say they are extremely interested in the 2016 presidential campaign and only 52% of democrats are extremely interested in the presidential campaign. it makes you wonder if democrats really understand what is at stake in presidential campaigns. >> bottom line here, big victory for the administration. this saves for the second time the obamacare law. it will go forward. [ chanting ] >> those supreme court decisions would have been impossible without sonia sotomayor and elena kagan on the court. republican voters seem to understand that which is why their candidates are always pressed on who they would appoint to the supreme court in almost every republican candidate always as mitt romney did in 2012, always says they
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would nominate judges like anton scalia. he is always the most common name uttered by republican presidential candidates as the model of who they want to send to the supreme court but has scalia delivered to the democrats the ammunition they need to finally make the supreme court important in presidential campaigns? david axelrod, when you look at what we have from justice scalia in the last week, all of those strange words and phrasings, referring to applesauce and all of that stuff. will democrats, if it comes to it, would some democratic super pac do a tv ad showing what is at stake using the language of scalia and how he referred to marriage equality and get enthusiasm for voters to go to the polls and vote for them.
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>> i'm sure some super pacs will do that. we have seen this before. they should and i mean there's no question that you framed it the right way. we have had examples in the last week of how point the appointments are. you have four justices that are elderly and the high likelihood that the next president will have several appointments that could be important in the history of the country. in my experience, these shots rarely work. they should but i can't think of an election in which the supreme court has ever been determinative in the outcome of the election. i this think the candidate will have to enthuse the party on his or her own and around a series of issues people see as presidential leadership issues. i'm not sure the supreme court is one that will get people storming the ramparts.
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>> lawrence -- >> there seems to be a fascinating difference between democrats and republicans on this. republicans and republican voters seem very aware of it and they want to hear the magic word scalia, that's what they want to hear that you will put more scalias on the court. >> well, if hillary is the candidate, i'm sure she will talk about more rbgs, ruth bader ginsburgs on the court. they helped by resolving issues that are not good in a general election, repealing obamacare, took that off the table and gay marriage which is an issue trending against republicans. i think at this point the poll you point to 67% interested in the republican race and 52% of democrats. at this point in time, the republican race is more interesting. there are 137,000 candidates and on the democratic side there's not a strong challenge. bernie sanders may get there,
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but it is less interesting. >> let's look at the supreme court and the ages of these justices. ruth bader ginsburg is 82, scalia 79. kennedy 78, stephen breyer 76. looks like kasie hunt, that the next president, especially if the next president serves eight years there's a strong possible of replacing three or four of these justices. i'm not sure the court has ever been more important in an election whether the voters realize it or not. >> you mentioned scalia as the person the republicans focus on. i think in the primary one of the names that will come up is john roberts over the health care decision. >> as to who not to appoint? >> right. >> i think jeb bush said that roberts was a man of unimpeachable integrity. he will get pushed whether or not he would appoint a john roberts to the court. i think the court has all been
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at the crux of the culture wars an the question is what role will they play in the election. a lot of argument over whether the gay marriage decision will line up like row v. wade or go in to the night as the next civil rights battle of our time. i think most people i talk to on the republican side think it is the latter. >> listen to what the candidate who's running closest to jeb bush and the republican polls is saying about the supreme court. >> well, justice roberts is a disaster. he was put there by bush. jeb bush actually wanted him to get that position. and justice roberts is the one that gave us obamacare. it should be called roberts obamacare. a year ago, if you remember, the original he voted shockingly in favor of obamacare. now he has done it again. >> david axelrod in kasie hunt
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said it in a way that some viewers may not have gotten the connection -- >> i was thinking of mike huckabee. >> he does have a way of crystallizing things, doesn't he >> he will crystallize that point and try to put this on jeb bush. >> yeah. i also think, you know, among the conservative base, the really conservative base, the bushes are already on probation in this regard because of david suitor and, who was thought to be -- >> but the same president gave them clarence thomas. george h.w. bush gave them clarence thomas. >> no question about it. i agree with kasie. this will be battered around in the primaries. i also agree with david. it's too early to discern how much enthusiasm democrats will have relative to republicans. after all given the number of republicans running it could
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very well be the candidates were polled in that poll there are so many of them on the ballot already. i think that republican enthusiasm maybe up because there's a failing of candidates and i think it is customary for the party out of power to feel that enthusiasm, the possibility that they might take the white house back. i think once the race settles in and there's a candidate and once the donald trumps of the world light up the republican sky in the primary debates, democrats may become far more motivated. >> david corn, enthusiasm is never the whole story. there's a lot more to a campaign than enthusiasm. >> there is organization and message. at the end of the day after the interesting excitement on the republican side, if jeb bush is the candidate, and we assume hillary candidate is the candidate, although bernie has a chance. if that is what we are left with, you have the prospect of a third bush or the first woman
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president. i think then the enthusiasm question will be a lot different. >> yeah, bernie sanders is the candidate getting the biggest crowds right now. we will take a break. coming up, the endorsement that every democratic presidential candidate wants, senator elizabeth warren. if you suffer from a dry mouth then you'll know how uncomfortable it can be. but did you know that the lack of saliva can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath? well, there is biotene specially formulated with moisturizers and lubricants. biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. [ female announcer ] knows her way around a miniskirt. can run in high heels. must be a supermodel, right? you don't know "aarp." because aarp is making finding the career you love no matter what your age, a real possibility.
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that would make my grandmother proud -- she's the [ bleep ] champion of the american people. ♪ ♪ ain't no mountain high enough ♪ ♪ ain't no valley ♪ >> all the democratic candidates are trying to sound like elizabeth warren, but bernie sanders believe he has earned her endorsement. it is too early to tell if she will campaign for bernie sanders and she said, bernie's out talking about the issues the american people want to hear about. these people who care about these issues and that's who bernie's reaching. i love what bernie is talking about. i think all of the presidential candidates should be out talking about the big issues. we're joined now by tom hartmann, the host of "the big picture" on r.t. television and host of "the tom hartmann program," a political radio talk show. back with us david axelrod, david corn and kasie hunt.
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tom hartman, do you see it as bernie sanders has earned the elizabeth warren endorsement? >> lawrence, it is great to see you. i think not only has he earned the endorsement but he is actually the best guy for the job, the best person for the job of president of the united states. bernie has a depth and a gravitas to him that i think most people are unaware of. although i think they are catching it. you are seeing huge crowds, all the enthusiasm. you see he has taken over the facebook sphere and twitter sphere and what not. and because he is speaking about things like the destruction of the middle class. our crazy trade policies, taxing the rich. basically lets go back to what worked in the '40s, '50s, '70s, and discard the reaganism that. >> i'm not one that predicted bernie sanders would be getting the biggest crowds?
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were you surprised by this? >> no, i was one that said the would get big crowds. he speaks to a base within the party that feels strongly about these issues as tom suggests. he is a thoroughly authentic person. nobody -- bernie sanders is clearly speaking his mind as he has throughout his career. there's something charming and energizing about that, whether that, as tom suggests, would make him a good president of the united states, i think is a different issue. i think, i got an e-mail from a friend saying i will be for hillary in the end but think i will vote for bernie sanders just to annoy her. i think there's a lot of that going around. i said on another show that bernie is a great -- he's a great exhilarating fling because he's the date you know is going to be leaving town soon. ultimately people will go -- i think hillary clinton -- i believe going to be the nominee of the party.
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as to elizabeth warren, though, the question for her is how can she best leverage her influence this this debate and is it by endorsing bernie sanders or by hanging loose and trying to put maximum pressure on the candidates to respond to her agenda? it would be a risk on her part to endorse bernie because in some ways it would be a measure of her influence and if he doesn't work out, you know, i think that will be on her account. whereas right now she does have that leverage. i think she is enjoying that leverage. >> tom hartmann would you put it as a matter of political integrity that elizabeth warren should endorse bernie sanders. that he is the closest representation of her views in this campaign? >> i understand the political calculus that david was talking about and don't disagree with that. but, yeah, i think so. basically they are saying the
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same things. they are saying it's time to bring transparency, openness, integrity back to the political process. and get money out of the political process, overturn citizens united, put the middle class back together, strength then social security. these are genuinely solid issues and i think bernie sanders -- i wouldn't -- for a long time i didn't think this and now i'm absolutely convinced of it. he has the potential to be the next fdr. >> david corn, what's elizabeth warren going to do? >> i'd be shocked if she endorsed bernie sanders during the primary. you know, she has -- >> what about hillary clinton. would be shocked if she endorses hillary clinton. >> i'd be shocked about that too. i think she's shown in the last year what she cares about the most are the issues. she wants candidates, whether bernie or hillary or o'malley
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talking about her issues. the best way to get all of them doing that is by not endorsing any single one but putting pressure on and getting the democratic base excited about those issues so they look at the candidates who want their votes, particularly in the case of hillary clinton and say, where are you on this point? that's where elizabeth warren's power is within the democratic party. >> quick break and back with more on bernie, hillary and elizabeth. look at that beautiful hotel on tripadvisor. wait.
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rand paul is holding a fund-raiser tonight in denver at the cannabis business summit. rand paul is the first major presidential candidate to publicly court donations from the marijuana industry. rand paul has joined senate
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democrats on a bill to end the federal ban on medical marijuana. kasie hunt, why couldn't you have gotten assigned to that tongith, rand paul's pot party in denver? >> i will have to take it up with my editor. >> we'll be right back. when you travel, we help you make all kinds of connections. connections you almost miss. and ones you never thought you'd make. we help connect where you are. to places you never thought you'd go. this, is why we travel. and why we continue to create new technology to connect you to the people and places that matter. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla apremilast. otezla is not an injection or a cream.
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americans, this country is working only for those at the top. that's not the american dream. that's the american nightmare. >> back with us tom hartmann, david corn, kasie hunt and david axelrod. kasie, how do you see her decision playing out and how do you expect to play on the endorsement? >> i think what kind of power elizabeth warren wants to have, not just in this campaign but over the course of the next four to eight years. assume hillary clinton is the likely democratic nominee, even though she may face a challenge from bernie sanders. the clintons have a long memories. it is one thing to be on the sidelines talking about issues. to a certain extent the clinton campaign wants people to talk about issues. what they don't want are attacks on her character or betrayals and if elizabeth warren is pushing energy behind sanders they will not forget that and that will change whatever
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relationship will evolve between warren and clinton. that's a long-term proposition that if you are senator warren you have to think about. >> tom hartmann, i think -- and david axelrod can help us, i think barack obama decided he'd rather bring clinton in to his administration rather than leave her out there where she might be freelancing and able to get in to arguments here and there. >> i think so. i think also bernie is burning his bridges. he's been unwilling to get if toe mud. i've said, many times, if hillary clinton is the nominee i will do everything i can to get her elected. i think she's great. i just think bernie's better. we'll see where it goes. david axelrod, what about that? it seems no matter what elizabeth warren does, if hillary clinton is president she will need a relationship with a star in her party like elizabeth
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warren. >> i think she responded very much to elizabeth warren already in this campaign. elizabeth is an influential figure and not just a democratic issue, the viability of the middle class will be the central issue for this campaign. >> david corn, can't leave the subject without noting the two big power brokers, two big power brokers in the democratic party, hillary clinton and elizabeth warren. >> yeah, you have to think that that will be an important factor for elizabeth warren, too. seeing a woman elected president. i think that hillary will need her to campaign hard for her in the general election. she will bring out voters in key areas. i expect there to be no ruptures in that relationship between now and then. >> tom hartmann, you would expect to see bernie sanders campaigning hard if hillary clinton if she gets the nomination. >> he said on my program he will do that and support her if she is the nominee and i believe him.
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>> thank you all for joining me tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. event, trump versus christie. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. p.t. barnum creator of the greatest show on earth says if you want a crowd start a fight. well today chris christie and the donald trump of new york. what do you think these two pugs will do when they get out there? they'll go toe to toe with trump shouts insults in every direction, christie throwing them back with attitude. can you see either of them ducking a punch from the other pretending it didn't happen? give me a break. they'll go at each other big time. this is the cute part, guarante