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can't do that with the other broom. wow, i love it. the tobin stance! that is totally what it is! the donald heads to the border. all right. good morning. supposed to have an introduction, i guess we don't today today. thanks forgetting up with us today on "up." donald trump is sticking to his position on immigration, set to give a big speech in arizona later today. we'll have more on that in just a moment. also ahead this morning, as the confederate flag falls in south carolina, a stunning admission from the fbi that the shooter never should have been allowed to buy his gun in the first place. we'll tell you how that happened and what it means. plus the shocking plot twist about one of the most be loifed literary and movie characters of all time. also coming up on the show how
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the celebration continued last night for the u.s. women's soccer team. those details and much much more all to come in the next two hours on this show. we begin this morning with donald trump doing what else stirring controversy on the topic of immigration. the republican presidential candidate not backing down from the comments he made when he announced his run last month and all the comments he's made since then about undocumented mexican immigrants claiming mexico is sending rapists, criminals and drugs to the united states. in a news conference in beverly hills yesterday trump was flanked by families of people killed by undocumented immigrants. >> they're sending people into our country that we don't want but we take and that they don't want. >> people came into the country illegally and killed their children. and it's a very very sad thing what's happening with our
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country. with respect to whether you want to say illegal aliens illegal immigrants illegals and nobody wants to talk about it. i guess i cause controversy and for no reason because i was talking about mexico is sending people that mexico doesn't want. everybody knows that's what i was saying and everybody knows that i have great relationships with mexican people. >> trump's new comments coming only hours before he's set to speak in phoenix, arizona, today. the comments were at an event hosted by the local republican party. joining me from phoenix, msnbc reporter amanda sakuma. amanda that event you're at today, you're getting ready for, that was moved to a larger venue to accommodate a larger-than-expected crowd. what are we expecting to hear from donald trump? what's the scene going to be
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like there when he appears later today? >> reporter: good morning, steve. as you mentioned organizers were expecting maybe 500 people to join them at a hotel ballroom ak krofs town. they sold out after a couple of hours. now they say they're moving to a convention center at the heart of phoenix where they're expecting as many as 5,000 people. as you mentioned, trump is in many ways coasting on this controversy. when he comes and speaks today, he'll be standing next to one of the single most divisive characters on the immigration debate sheriff joe arpaio who is in the midst of his own controversy controversy. he's in a long-standing lawsuit and federal case over his discriminatory policies within his sheriff's department targeting latino motorists. yesterday the judge in that case said he refused to recuse himself in the case after it came to light that an attorney for arpaio had a private investigator spy on the judge's wife. they tried to yoous that as a
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reason that the judge should recuse himself in this federal case. in many senses normally arpaio would be a toxic person to be standing on stage with but in many ways this is in line with what trump has been saying. there will be many anti immigrant protesters here many pro immigrant protesters here expected to rally outside the event later today. >> amanda sakuma thank you. i always forget the three-hour time difference. only 5:00 in the morning there. donald trump will be there later. arizona's top republicans are distancing themselves from donald trump. joe arpaio as he prepares to deliver himself in that state later today. senators john mccain and flef splaek will not be theying with flake saying donald trump's views are coarse ill-informed and inaccurate and not representative of the republican patriotism as an elected republican official i'm disappointed they would host a
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speaker that so damages the party's image. there's a broad base of support for donald trump and his message in arizona, especially among the ranchers who make their living along the border. nbc's mark potter surveyed the scene ahead of trump's speech. >> reporter: for several years, hidden cameras in the arizona desert captured scenes like these, drug and immigrant smugglers, sometimes armed hiking through miles of american ranch land after illegally crossing the u.s.-mexican border. this video was shot in may south of tucson two months before donald trump complained about border security. >> we don't even have a border. people are flowing through like water. there is no border right now. >> reporter: arizona rancher john ladd whom we visited several times before along the mexican border fence and others have long plained -- >> they cut everything at ground level. >> reporter: -- about what they say is an insecure border that leaves them facing security
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threats on their own land. they applaud trump forgiving their concerns a national voice. >> i'm really impressed that finally somebody has the courage to talk about the reality of what's going on. >> reporter: while ranchers see a dramatic drop in immigrant traffic, drug smuggling is still rampant and insists trump's message is vital. >> he's talking about securing the border. that's the most important thing. >> reporter: in your estimation right now the border is not secure? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: others in arizona say trump's comments about mexican are offensive and insist he is overplaying the security threat. jimmy lives a half mile from the border. >> the tone was arrogance at best and nonsensical at worst. what he said is just not true. >> mr. trump doesn't actually know what's going on. it's easy to sit back in new york city in trump tower and
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make statements like that. >> reporter: mark potter nbc news. >> let's bring in ally ye as saad difficult with "the washington post," former republican congresswoman nan hayworth and crystal ball co-host of "the cycle". >> we found out, first of all, we can put this up on the screen. he is definitely surging in the polls. the economists they take this one, donald trump at the top among republicans nationally. first place. check that out. we've been talking about how you have to be in the top ten to make the debate. we got that. we've got the republican national chairman rans priebus making the call. something your reporter ali hee, tried to doane it down on this message. >> trump said he was congratulating him. that's all that was. >> two very different versions of that phone call. we played a cut of it right there. i have to say, the way they were
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setting this press event up yesterday, he's got families of people -- crime victims from undon'ted immigrants. his tone though was -- that was a quieter donald trump than we've seen. i do wonder did that message in some way get to him? >> no, i don't think so. why would it frankly, when he's looking at these poll numbers and he's saying what i'm doing is working great? this has gone better than even he could have possibly imagined in terms of his person goals. he's surging, getting all the attention he wants. every show is having to talk to him even if we want might want ignore him when he's getting that kind of traction in the polls, you can't. his tone is a bit different because he's with family members who have been impacted by violence. that's naturally going to bring a different tone out. i don't see him backing down or toning it down or doing anything like that. >> where does he go from here? i'm kind of curious. i was always skeptical he'd
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actually run for president. we have to say there's this whole technical thing where he has to file these thorough financial disclosures. he says he's going to do it. he's already taken this farther than i thought he would. is donald trump now, if he does run, if he stays with this is he running as immigration is the issue or is there a next act, is there a next issue? where does he go from here? >> well i'm not sure but this particular issue has hitality aat a moment when everyone is talking about the case in san francisco and all these corporate sponsorship deals pulling out has catapulted him into the national spotlight even more and more. but the thing is this is the very issue and the tone that the republican party, the national republican party does not want to be talking about in this way. this is what's so concerning to national republican leaders, that all this work they've been trying to do over the past four years in trying to woo latino voters might all go down the drain in just a few weeks' time. that's what's concerning about him honing in on this issue.
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he's definitely zeroed in on something, that there's a segment of republican primary voters who are upset and want this issue to be talked about. >> nan i guess that raises the question, if you're the republican party, if you're rens priebus, anybody concerned about the tone from donald trump, you look at the poll numbers, the response he's getting from republicans, the fact he's tapping into genuine feelings that republican voters have on this issue, immigration, how do you fight, how do you counter donald trump when he's articulating positions that the base has? >> there's tone as we've talked about and there's substance. we want our president to be forceful, to be forthright but also to be respectful. donald trump is instead being inflammatory. he doesn't sound the way i think most republicans would want their presidential candidate to sound. but he is going to push this as far as he can because he's got the name recognition. that's why he's up so high in
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these polls. it is an opportunity for republicans to reflect on the substance of the issue, and there is genuine frustration not only among republicans, but among just about every one affected by this issue, and that's the entire american public. we have a government that has not been effective in protecting our borders, in protecting both our citizens and those who enter this country under circumstances that are cruel, from harm. this government isn't doing anything right now -- >> i feel like that's something trump is tapping into here. it's not just literally about the immigration issue. it's about the frustration in terms of republican voters the republican establishment, in terms of voters in general, the political establishment, the idea that it's just these politicians up there in suits who tell you all the things you want to hear. guess what? there's always fine print, never any follow through. i'm imagining this argument
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playing out in the debate. trump is on stage, jeb bush is up there gives the nuance take on we need this kind of pathway, we need to be reasonable. trump will look at him and say, jeb, you're what's wrong. you've been talk that way for 30 changes. nothing gets done. >> often certain, never in doubt that. is donald trump. people love that black and white certainty. he doesn't sugarcoat things. that's the way you're feeling. i think you're right. it's not just about immigration. it's about this broader sense that the country is changing and i'm uncomfortable with the direction it's going in. also frankly, all of the business establishment, walking away from him in the way that the media is attacking him, that just strengthens him. that's actually a problem that the republican party has created for itself. they've created this narrative that the establishment is bad and that no authority figure should ever be trusted. to me the idea of rens priebus
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trying to ten donald trump to tone it down that just serves donald trump. he has absolutely no power. the more that trump exacerbates the powers that be the stronger he's going to be in the these polls. >> i want to play this quickly. we've seen this video make the rounds. when republicans say we have a chance, the republican establishment talk about where trump is vulnerable where they can kind of get him. a lot is going back to 1999 flirting with running for president back then a very different donald trump presented himself. we have a clip. let's play that for a second. >> would president trump ban partial at the border. >> i'm very pro choice. i hate the concept of abortion. i cringe when i listen to people debating the subject. but i just believe in choice. hey, i lived in new york city manhattan all my life. my views are a little different than if i lived in iowa perhaps. >> this was trump back then talking about single payer
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health care this is donald trump liberal on gays back in 1999. he's managed to execute this -- he's playing almost the pat buchanan role in the republican party. is that path going to trip him up elahe? >> maybe it can be used to show him as a hypocrite. if you're going to attack him on his record it's further legitimizing that this candidacy is going to go somewhere. the poll numbers that we saw, it's name recognition, there's a margin of error. you often have these sorts of candidates doing well in the polls in such a crowded field. you can definitely look at his record and say wow, it's very different. if you want to look at bernie sanders as the donald trump of the democratic party, that comparison doesn't hold because bernie sanders has held those positions for decades. donald trump it appears is putting forward some positions that get him a lot of attention right now.
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>> you have set up a very good segue to our next segment which will be about the man you just mentioned, bernie sanders and some of the positions he's held over the last few decades. also will a last-minute offer help keep greece's economy afloat and will what happens in greece affect us here many united states. first, most americans say they're unwilling to vote for a socialist. we'll look at what that means for a self-described socialist, bernie sanders. stay with us. sleep out star gaze dream big wander more care less beat sunrise chase sunset do it all. on us. get your first month's payment plus five years wear and tear coverage. make the most of summer... with volvo.
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progressive, liberal, left winger, those are some of the words used to describe bernie sanders as his presidential campaign picks up momentum. one word we haven't used much a word sanders uses to describe himself. >> you've described yourself as a small d democrat.
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so will you tell us americans what a small d democrat means? >> well democratic socialist. >> socialist. that is a term that doesn't sit well with most americans. pew finding in 2011 that 31%, less than a third of those survey dollar have a positive term of the view socialist, 60% have a negative view the negative view of socialism that sanders has been trying to disprove, going back to his days as burlington vermont's mayor. >> we believe in democracy. the problem with the word socialism is very often it's been equated with what happens in the soviet union, authoritarianism and totalitarianism. people with those ideas fight for those things strongly. >> senator claire mccaskill says the media hasn't questioned sanders enough about his socialist views. >> i think the media is giving bernie a pass right now.
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i very rare li read in any coverage of bernie that he's a socialist. i think everybody wants a fight and i think they're not really giving the same scrutiny to bernie sanders that they're giving to certainly hillary clinton and the other candidates. >> is claire mccaskill right? is the media giving bernie sanders a pass? could americans really vote for a socialist? let's ask our panel. i love the old phil donahue interview, 34 years ago. that's a fun one to look at. you look at those poll numbers, 2-1 people have a negative view of the term socialism. there's claire mccaskill a hillary surrogate, sees an opening to marginalize bernie sanders. is socialism the connection that bernie sanders has to it does that automatically kill him as a national candidate? >> well it's a convenient code. nobody is using it in the strict political theory definition. but it's very clear that bernie
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sanders is someone who wants to confer more power on the government to run more -- evermore aspects of our transactions of our lives, for americans historically that's been anathema although it's becoming less so. obviously for hillary clinton's supporters they're pulling this word out because they know it's going to be toxic to moderate democrats. >> and used it to great effect. >> that's the question. if you -- the republicans, how many conservatives on talk radio or blogs or whatever are always calling democrats socialists collectivists, comists. >> it's part of why the word has less power because it has been used so much. there's also a shift that's happening that is pointed out in that same article which is that younger americans who were born post cold war, at least came of age post cold war, they don't have the same red fear that
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older generations had. >> we can put those numbers up actually krystal. let's put these up so you can see. this is people age 18 to 29. that is striking. >> they've used socialism more positively than capitalism. >> an amazing disconnect. >> they think of it more in terms of the bernie sanders model, right? looking at yes, i believe we should support people. i believe we should have a social safety net. if you look at most of the positions that bernie sanders advocates for, they're quite popular, including expanding social security which is popular across a broad range of ages. i think most folks are not thinking so much about the lanl that they're looking at the positions. look bernie sanders has a ceiling. he's not going to be the democratic nominee, not going to be ultimately a national candidate. but the thing that people are responding to is that he is crystal clear about where he stands. he's been in the same place his whole career and that authenticity is a very rare
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commodity in politics. if you want to compare him to donald trump, there's nothing comparable in donald trump in terms of that sort of genuine authenticity. >> it's a big contrast with hillary clinton who is perceived -- >> absolutely right. >> i heard the argument made -- you talk about all the strengths hillary clinton has, the biggest front-runner either party has ever seen. that is actually a contrast. if there's one candidate who that contrast works for, it's bernie sanders because she represents so much of the entrenched power, the political class. it helps define him more to run against that. you talk about the generational difference on attitudes towards socialism, how much of that has to do with the older joe paterno ration that lived through the soviet union, a younger generation to whom that's not part of their life. it's a point bernie sanders tries to make when asked about this. this is when he was on seth meyers recently, when he talked about socialism as a governing
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philosophy he talks about scandinavia. >> countries like denmark, sweden norway which have had social democratic governments and labor governments, in those countries health care is a right of all people. i don't see that as a great problem. [ cheers and applause ] >> at a time when so many of our young people can't afford to go to college tuition is free in many of those countries. excellent. [ cheers and applause ] >> they have excellent child care, strong retirement benefits. they're often very strongly pro environment, taking on climbate change. when people understand in those countries governments are working for the middle class rather than the billionaire class. >> there you go elahe, all those millennials cheer manage the background. >> the idea that socialism as this label will bring him down in a democratic primary, if you
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look in the iowa poms he is gaining on hillary clinton right now. he could be a foil in that state. if she does not win iowa that will not be good. the issues he's articulating the argument he makes is these are positions that he's holding that a lot of people both democrat and republican also hold. so whether or not he becomes the candidate, the nominee, it is another question. is he going to be pushing clinton into these positions? that doesn't really maybe bode well for her in a general. >> already has pushed her i think. >> on gun control, she's talking more and more about that. >> i'm really excited to see. we talk about these republican debates, i'm excited to see hillary clinton versus bernie sanders. i know there's three other candidates up there. i kind of wish we could have the one-on-one debate. hillary is probably happy the other three are up there. >> it may feel like a one-on-one debate. he's incredibly outspoken, very smart, he knows what he's
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talking about. he has the certainty and willing to say exactly what he thinks. yes, it will be fun to watch. one thing i've been thinking about, watching how well bernie sanders -- by the way, you get a lot of credit for predicting how well he would do unexpectedly. you were one of the first people to say this guy would do better than people think. i look at this and say imagine if elizabeth warren would have gotten in this race. >> i wonder if elizabeth warren thinks that, too. >> she would have a much broader range of support and could have given hillary clinton a run for his money. >> martin o'malley is sitting in baltimore saying why isn't it me? all those years of planning. still ahead, why federal authorities say the gunman in last year's charleston shooting shouldn't have been allowed to buy a bun in the first place. a deadly explosion outside the consulate in egypt. the latest on that right after
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developing at this hour we're following reports that an islamic state leader hafiz saeed kahn has been killed in a drone strike. he's the head of isis for afghanistan, pakistan and other adjoining regions. according to taliban sources, saeed was also once part of the afghan taliban. a small but increasing number of militants have switched allegiance to isis. there was also a deadly explosion this morning outside the italian consulate in cairo. that blast coming early this morning killed at least one person and injured at least nine others. the consulate was closed at the time and no one who worked there was hurt. investigators still trying to determine the cause of that explosion. no one has claimed responsibility for the attack as yet. stay with msnbc and throughout the day for updates on these stories. still ahead in our show the
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charleston, south carolina by a man who embraced the confederate flag. not long after that flag came down yesterday, the director of the fbi revealed that the gun used in the charleston church shooting never should have been sold to the gunman in the first place. james comey revealing that dylann roof's criminal history didn't make it into the fbi database. if it had, that would have prohibited his purchase of the gun. instead roof got his gun because federal law allows the gun sale to go ahead p the fbi hasn't blocked it. in previous elections democrats have appeared timid on tackling gun control as part of their campaigns, but since the charleston shooting hillary clinton has talked about toughening the nation's gun laws including this week in iowa. >> i think it's pretty clear that a majority of americans and a majority of gun owners agree with universal background checks to keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers and people who are mental unready and unstable
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and even terrorists. right now we can't even stop that in a lot of the parts of the country. so let's get back to having a conversation. let's not be afraid of the gun lobby which does not even really represent the majority of gun owners in america. >> this is a shift in emphasis that helps the former secretary of state stake out the more liberal ground of her closest challenger senator bernie sanders. on this issue she could be standing out there alone. when it comes to guns sanders isn't your typical liberal. he represents a rural pro gun state. he's voted in the past for legislation that protects the gun industry. thursday in virginia sanders argued with a member of the audience over whether gun manufacturers should be held liable. >> if somebody has a gun and somebody steals that gun and they shoot somebody, does it make sense to blame the
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manufacturer of the weapon? >> yes, and i'll tell you why. because there's smart gun technology that would prevent -- >> we'd like other people to get a chance. >> if somebody sells you a baseball bat and you hit somebody over the head you're not going to sue the baseball bat manufacturer. >> so interesting. he is making the guns don't kill people, people kill people line that you always hear from the nra. this is the one issue people always look at. people say he's to the left of hillary on everything, on taxes. not on guns. >> it goes back to hillary clinton's problem as bernie sanders presents her with the challenge of advocating for evermore government, except perhaps in this case on bernie sanders' part. we have a failure of the background check system. so the background check was in place and didn't work. why? because it's not being administered properly.
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>> if i could, i mean part of the problem here was that there is this prioritization over the speed of someone being able to get their gun in three days versus the thoroughness of the background check. so if the person at the fbi had had more time because she was trying to find the information, if there had been more time to find that information, then dylann roof wouldn't have been able to get a gun. so i think it speaks to the fact that we prioritized the ability of people to get a gun and really leaning on the side of anyone being able to get a gun over having a thorough background check system. and there's also another piece here which is a lot of reluctance among the pro gun community to give any information about who owns guns and their background and their history to the federal government that makes it very hard to have an effective background check system. >> this is actually -- shows that this particular tragic incident is a case study in how
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something can -- people who are already anti new gun laws and people who are already wanting more restrictions and more controls on who gets a gun, both sides can look at what happened and see that there's -- that they have a legitimate concern and their position is legitimate. also, this incident i don't think is going to create any momentum, real momentum to actually do something, let's say, in south carolina where nikki haley, a republican governor was the one who led the charge to bring down the confederate flag. on guns she's very clear. and in the past she's supported legislation that would make it easier for people to get guns panned you wouldn't even have to get a permit or training to get a gun. so this isn't really going to change the conversation anymore than any other incident. >> what bernie sanders is trying to do here and it reminds me so much we're always drawing comparisons to him and howard dean. that was the issue where howard
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dean was at odds with the democratic base. dean's point when he ran for president 12 years ago and bernie sanders is making the same argument now, basically saying the idea of having national policy on guns doesn't make sense because a gun means something very different in vermont. in vermont it's used for hunting, for food on the table. in a city like chicago where you're seeing it every weekend, it's killing people. it's being used differently. he says we have to have a political discussion that reflects that. i wonder what you think of that. >> on the policy the problem with that view is then if you have lenient gun laws in one place and the next-door neighbor has stricter gun laws you've sort of negated the ability of the state with the stricter gun laws to be able to enforce who is bringing what into their state. i do think it's interesting with bernie sanders that this is the one place where he hasn't been consistently on the left. i wonder if there's been too much made of this issue. in a modern context, i'm not
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sure where he actually would differ from hillary clinton in terms of a policy prescription which will be one of the things that will be interesting to see come out in the debates. >> also a way for her to attack bernie san ders and his record without attacking him and attacking policies that the liberal base actually supports. >> any time she can get to his left without much political risk, i think she's going to be taking it. still ahead, did scott walker accidentally let the cat out of the bag? next, the latest on the potential deal that could keep greece in the eurozone. that's next.
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concessions concessions. if so, the country could get a three-year loan to keep its economy afloat. joining us to discuss all of that we have cnbc contributor ron as san. it's such an important issue and one i want to understand. i have to be honest something i've struggled to understand in reading about it. >> many of us have. >> that's why we have you here to try to give us clarity on this. let's start with this. right now this thing has passed parliament in greece. it's going to go to the e ufrmgts to decide if they'll accept this. is it likely they'll accept it and what will it mean? >> we've heard couping noises so far from france that the greece government has come toward the creditors to meet their demands, whether reforming their pension system, their retirement age, getting their fiscal house in order and balancing their budget all those steps have been promise bid greece where they were rejected not too long
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ago. that would come in exchange for $83 billion in fresh cash which greece desperately needs. the banking system is running out of money, gdp collapsed by over 25%. they need money. what we don't know is where germany stands at the moment on this, whether they feel greece has come far enough and will do enough in order to really right their fiscal house. you know how people complain about our country being profligate. greece makes us look like tight wads by comparison. >> a week ago, you had the referendum in greece and they rejected the terms of germany, rejected the terms of europe. now they're giving in. are they back to where they were before the referendum? >> yes, europe starved them. what happened in the interim is the european central bank which was providing emergency cash to the greek banking system capped the amount of money they were sending over. that forced the banks to shut
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down. greeks could only take out 60 euros a day. if they were to do that for an extended period of time, the banking system would absolutely literally run out of cash. they have a deepening economic crisis, 20% unemployment rate. the youth unemployment rate there is 52%. without fresh funds they collapse and probably leave the eurozone and abandon the your roe as a currency being forced to go back to the old currency the drachma. >> what does that mean? does greece stay in the eurozone eurozone, what does it mean? >> it's both political and economic. if they leave the eurozone without any fresh cash it's bad enough that the greek economy has already collapsed by 26%. it would go into free fall. that would be horrible for the greek people. if the they exit the your pro-zone for which there is no legal mechanism in europe it would call into question the integrity of the single currency, the currency union in europe and whether or not
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peripheral countries also heavily indebted like portugal italy, sparn and ireland, would want similar debt relief if it passes or whether they would be vulnerable to leaving as well which would blow up the entire experiment that started in 1999. there are both political and economic dimensions to this that would be, if they went the wrong way, fairly catastrophic for the european union. >> there is also a lot of commentary i've read that's been very critical of germany, saying jefrm any has been too hard on greece. the trms have been unreasonable and they've made the situation worse in greece. is there anything to that? >> some might argue that. the international monetary firm wants to reduce the outstanding debt greece owes. the u.s. has supported that position as well. having said that what most people don't realize is greece already doesn't have to pay interest og principle on out standing death for the next five years. greece wanted as much as a
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20-year moratorium on its debt which germany finds unacceptable. northern europe is financing the 45-year-old retirement age in greece the generous pension that greek workers get. what's at stake here is a precedent in rich do the rich countries of europe continue to subsidize all of the poor countries of europe at taxpayer expense? so that's where in germany it comes down particularly hard baugs it's the best performing economy in europe. they have the most money. they're also on the hook for the most greek debt. so that's why they've drawn such a hard line in the sand. >> 45-year-old retirement age. >> we should all be so lucky. by the same token, it's unsustainable. there's $86 billion in taxes not paid by the greek people. literally the same amount of money they're asking for for the next three years has gone uncollected in the tax system. so there are some problems in greece that need to be dealt with forthrightly and it hasn't happened in the last several
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years. >> a drama playing out this weekend. we'll see what happens tomorrow when the eu masks that decision. ron isana, thank you very much. >> thank you. a developing story in serbia where an angry crowd has thrown rocks, water botdless and other objects at that country's prime minister breaking his glasses. this played out at a cemetery to lay flowers to commemorate the 20th anniversary of genocide in veb neca. today negotiators in vienna working to meet their monday deadline for a nuclear deal with iran. first, the accidental presidential campaign announcement that hit the internet that left one campaign hitting delete, delete, delete. stay with us.
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some of the other headlines making news. our panel is back with us. let's go to "the washington post" which tells us whoops,
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scott walker's twitter account jumps the gun, announces his run for president. scott walker's campaign says he's running for president. the tweet was quickly deleted. a spokesperson says they're looking into the issue. the walker team is not at fault. this is interesting. >> really? >> so something went screwry there. >> is anonymous behind that? >> was there a hack? did the donald strike? i don't know what it was. >> they must have left it up to the federal government to do the tweet. >> we're all shocked that scott walker is going to be running for president. i did not see that coming at all until twitter told me. >> that's what i mean? why delete the thing once it's up there? >> if you are going to hack aren't you going to put something more embarrassing up? >> that's true. thinking like a hacker here. "the new york times," a book review of harper lee's "go set a watch men." this is incredibly
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controversial, the book, not the review. the book is incredibly controversial because people weren't sure whether harper lee wanted this released 50 years after "to kill a mockingbird." but the character, atticus finch becomes -- he's a racist who once attended a clan meeting who says things like that the negroes down here are still in their childhood as a people. asks his daughter do you want negroes by the carload in our schools, churches and theaters? do you want them in our world? this is atticus finch. it was written about 50 years ago. wow. >> it's wild and wild to think -- that book was so influential and so inspirational and pushed social change forward. it's unbelievable to think p the first manuscript had been accepted, what this would have been. >> people walk around to this day with the name atticus
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because their parents were so inspired by the movie character by gregory peck. this is the original version. this is what harper lee originally wanted the book to be about a 25-year-old girl who comes back to alabama and reckons with her racist father. she sent it off to a publisher and the publisher said try something else. she came up with okay now the father is a hero. >> maybe there's a reason why that original manuscript wasn't published. >> it raises the question did she really want this published. "variety" says roger reese, the actor in cheers west wing nicholas nickelby has died. i remember him as the one that comes over and marries rebecca how on cheers. we have this from wect television station in north carolina. shark bites dolphin. the dolphin died yesterday morning after being injured by a
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shark. the dolphin had a deep bite to its tail. north carolina has seen a record number of shark attacks in recent weeks. this is sad, too. >> we had a shark expert on the sielk, the other show i do and he was telling us that actually a big part of the problem is overfishing. so the sharks just don't have the food that they are looking for and they're getting desperate. >> and they come closer in. they always tell you, it's still safe, look at the statistics go in the water and be careful. how do you be careful if a shark is 20 feet away from you? >> you can't possibly. you really do have to follow common sense. that's why we have swimming pools. >> thank you. there are stingrays, jellyfish, sharks. >> humans kill way more sharks
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the question is how long will it last. plus the white house state dinner with very special attendees, all of them ages 8 through 12 with something called broccoli commonly on the menu. a girl scout teaching us about closing the deal the world record holder for cookie sales. out won't believe how many boxes she sold. she'll be along later to show us how to get things done. we begin this hour with yet another deadline missed in those historic nuclear talks with iran. negotiators in vienna yesterday blowing through their deadline for a final deal for the third time in 11 days. they are racing against a clock to meet their new deadline a deadline just two days away. >> we have a couple different lines of discussion going on right now, but i think it's safe to say we have made progress today. the atmosphere is very constructive. we still have a couple of very
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difficult issues and we'll be sitting down to discuss those in the very near term. >> in the extended quest for a landmark deal with iran jen john kerry making history of his own. he's devoted more time to a single negotiation than any american official in more than four decades. whether kerry can deliver a nuclear deal with iran is still very much an open question. iranians publicly blaming the u.s. for the delay while u.s. officials are saying the iranians made new demands this week calling for an end on an embargo on conventional arms. president obama on a video conference earlier in the week. he said he put the odds of a deal at less than 50%. by missing yesterday's deadline the obama administration also missed the window for expedited congressional review of a final dye deal. congress will now have 60 days
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ha is twice the amount of time they would have had if the deal was struck before now, to approve any deal negotiators hammer out. that is yet another obstacle in the path to a final agreement. joining us for the latest from vienna is nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. thank you for taking a few moments this morning. we have this new deadline two days away what are the obstacles standing between these folks and a final deal? >> reporter: there's a lot of smaller issues that still have to be finessed or polished or honed, if you will in the words of the russian foreign minister the other day. the big thing that emerged this week was iran really raising the level of its demand for a lift of the embargo that has been in place. there have been three un resolutions embargoing arms deliveries to or sales from iran from 2006 2007 2009 from the un security council. these resolutions would require
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a lifting of the embargo. the resolutions would have to be canceled. iran made that demand. these are non-nuclear issues. this is conventional weapons, but it includes ballistic missiles. it was a real red line to the president in that video conference call on wednesday night. whereas iran thought with russia and china's help russia in particular wants to sell arms to iran and be able to get back into a very lucrative business there, with russia's help iran was basically dividing the security council. the first time we've seen a real division among the negotiating parters here on what's called the p 5 plus one, the security council permanent members plus germany. that created enormous strains. vladimir putin exploited that. in a previously scheduled summit including iran's president rouhani on thursday and friday in moscow. there was a lot of tension back and fourth blame back and forth.
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i think part of this was both the u.s. and iran trying to show the critics t hard liners if you will the hard liners in iran that want to kill any deal the critics of this that include some prominent democrats as well as a lot of republicans and republican candidates in both capitals who would like to kill the deal even though they don't know the details yet. their reached on the emerging deal has been very very negative. each side each negotiator zarif on one side foreign minister of iran secretary kerry want to show they're 2u6 tough. now the question is can they come together. the best would be that they might at the earlier tomorrow. >> andrea so many delays in this whole process. this is another two-day extension. if they don't come together tomorrow is monday a hard deadline, or is there another
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extension after that. >> reporter: i'm afraid to say it's just another extension after that. they've been doing this for 20 months, the feeling by the u.s. officials is that every time the iranians go back to tehran the u.s. loses ground. things have that been conceded to at the table are criticized back home. they then have to revisit a lot of this stuff. the feeling by the iranians is that every time john kerry talks to people in washington they lose ground. so their accusations of reneging on both sides. just a clarification on john kerry's track record. this would be the longest time a u.s. secretary of state has been overseas on a single mission, but not compared to george schultz, jim baker or henry kissinger who traveled all the time for 30 days at a tiemme. that would be ricocheting around the world on different projects. this would be sitting in foorn
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capital for 15 days it's pretty extraordinary and not devoting real attention to the rest of the world. it's a big commitment. >> andrea mitchell in vienna keeping a close eye on the negotiations. that story playing out this weekend. we'll keep a close eye on it as well. joining me is retired four-star u.s. general wesley clark, former nato supreme allied commander and one-time presidential candidate. welcome. >> thank you. >> andrea's report right there, this issue that emerged in the last few days about weapons sanctions, not nuclear sanctions, weapons sanctions on a shipment of arms into and out of iran. iran wants those sanctions eased as part of this. they say the sanctions are in place because of the nuclear program. if we cut a deal in the nuclear program, those sanctions should no longer be in place. the obama administration saying that's a red line. do you think that's something that should have the potential to trip up a deal? >> i certainly think it has a potential to trip up the deal. i think it's also a crucial
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mistake by iran in the negotiations. i'll tell you why, steve, because the big challenge for the united states is to explain to the people and to the congress why giving in to iran's demand for nuclear energy and centrifuges and then releasing money back to them that was held in the sanctions is in the long-term interest of the united states given the fact that iran hasn't committed to change its conduct and is pursuing any number of military activities and other aggressive activity in the region. it's a terrorist state. so by opening up this new avenue of talk on conventional arm transfers, iran opens the door for the united states to come back with a new set of demands, constraining iran's behavior. i hope that we're doing that because this is a much more constructive avenue of approach than simply a one-off trade on
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the nuclear technology. >> i'm curious, though what you think happens if this weekend results in no deal. andrea is saying if that happens, then the monday deadline becomes a new deadline maybe a couple days down the road. if these negotiations eventually fail to produce some kind of an agreement, what is the way forward then? >> i think it's continuing discussions on a new framework for an agreement. i think we're into a dialogue that will continue and continue and continue. it's not just about nuclear weapons. it's about the future of the region. it's about terrorism. it's about conventional arms transfers. and behind that conventional arms transfer request by iran of course it's very easy to see what's behind it. they not only want to develop a deterrent capacity with ballistic missiles that can strike the u.s. homeland or threaten to but they also want improved air defenses so the united states doesn't have the
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military option. so i think they've made as i say, a tactical mistake in bringing this into the dialogue but i think that if there's a pause, if there's an adjournment, a temporary failure, i think you're going to continue to see continuing negotiations with iran on a variety offish use. iran is a nation. it's powerful. it's got a young dynamic population. it wants its place in the region and the united states is constraining that. we want iran to behave responsibly in the region. between those two sets of demands, that's the stuff of dialogue and uchb fortunately maybe conflict more open conflict if it's not resolved. >> if there is a deal of course, there's now the aspect of congressional opinion being offered. they'd have 60 days. congress has given themselves 60 days to weigh in on any deal that would be struck at this
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point. given the resistance you've seen from so many in congress at this point to negotiations with iran let alone any deal that's struck what are the keys in the your mind of president obama being able to sell a deal to iran? what are the key things he absolutely has to have in there to sell this deal to congress? >> i think it's not only to say to congress, well what's the alternative if we don't sign he's already rolled out the heavy penetrating bombs that would be the alternative conceptionally if we didn't sign. i think he's got to be able to address iran's behavior in the domain after there's a signature. in other words iran gets $100 million. what do they do? go on an arms buying splung build a super highway into syria so they can roll columns of tanks in there and continue their conquest of the middle east? what's going to happen? congress doesn't want to endorse
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that neither durz the president. the president has got to come to terms with this issue. it really is about iran itself not just about the nuclear discussion. >> all right, thanks as always to retired general wesley clark. appreciate your thoughts this morning. >> thank you, steve. still ahead, my interview with one of the greatest salespeople i've ever met and you will ever meet. she isn't even old enough to drive a car. before that though next jeb bush's summer surge as the former florida governor finally emerging as the gop front-runner.
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new developments to tell you about in the effort to reach a deal with greece that would keep the country in the eurozone. the head of the euro group cautioning a deal is not as imminent as some might think.
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the finance minister of the netherlands saying there is quote, a major issue of trust on whether greece can push through the reforms that are needed. we'll keep an eye on that. pivoting to politics after weeks of questions about the direction of his campaign and maybe even his viability adds a candidate, jeb bush is suddenly enjoying a surge. news breaking on thursday that the super pac supporting him raised $103 million in the first half of the year. that broke the $100 million goal that was widely reported to be that super pac's goal. ha is also on top of the $11.4 million that bush's actual campaign raised in the 16 days that followed his formal entry into the race. the former florida government's pom numbers rising as well jumping 15 points since the june 15th campaign launch and putting him almost six points ahead of any other candidate. politico's eli stokal calls this
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jeb bush's summer surge but asks the question will it last. back at the table we have our panel elahe iz saad difficult, nan hayworth and krystal ball. let me put an idea out there. on this show we talk about it everybody has been talking about it for the last weem. donald trump is doing so much damage to the republican party, nan i think donald trump is helping jeb bush. >> absolutely. >> all those other candidates, nobody is hearing from them right now. it's just jeb and donald. >> right. governor bush is the grownup, he's the professional. he looks and sounds presidential. he gave a terrific announcement speech that was very inspiring. he speaks spanish at home. his wife is latina. >> as donald trump pointed out. they're basically attacking his wife. >> and for most people that is what donald trump is doing, it's
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going to strike a sour note. governor bush can instead look like the man who is positive who has solutions and who is going to be able to lead us forward. that's why i think he raised so much money, he's a professional. >> i agree with your theory in the short-term at least. it is -- it has been good for him because no one is paying attention -- people aren't thinking that much about scott walker's announcement on monday. >> maybe that's why he accidently tweeted it. >> maybe we figured it out. we haven't heard much from marco rubio. you're absolutely right about that in the short term. the question is how much damage democrat donald trump is doing from the republican party brand and if that's going to be the issue for jeb bush in a general election. the republicans tried so hard to make this nominating process not to be the clown car it was last time around. now with donald trump in it's officially a clown car again.
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>> i will say, trump has been good for jeb bush. i'm playing ahead elahe to that debate next month. of all the candidates that trump is running against, he's delighting in tweaking bush more than the others. he's on stage, pointing to him. pointing his finger in his face. jeb, you're a loser, you can't stand up to russia can't stand up to me. >> i'm really impressed. >> apparently -- i'm usually terrible -- hire me out for that. i'm imagining, it becomes a thing, it's not even a test of jeb bush as an explainer of policies. it becomes this almost primal test. donald trump is in your face calling you names, telling you you're a weak person. you've got to stand up to him in a meaningful way on that stage. >> if he can kind of come across as the grownup in the room and the one willing to stand up to
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donald trump even though donald trump might be articulating some views that a segment of the base really wants. if he can appear to be rising above that that can definitely appeal to not just primary voters but in a general. i think he can play it that way. you're right. it puts you in the -- i hope he's prepared for that. >> how do you do it? it takes a certain amount of almost acting skill. if you try to stand up to donald trump and you're a little hesitant tentative, stumble over your word he's going to jump you. >> he's not bound by facts. he will say whatever he feels like saying. >> if you hit him with statistics, he'll say wrong numbers. >> these debates we all know as much as we would love for them to be contest of ideas, people are left with lasting impression that's much more about the visuals and the tone and who was tough and who was weak. i do think that's going to be tough. and i do think jeb needs to hire you as his debate coach.
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>> the 2000 presidential debate bush versus gore. gore was goerd coached in that third debate a physical statement, to walk up to george w. bush while he was speaking a town hall meeting that. gore approaches him. it's kind of awkward and hesitant. bush stops, looks at him and gives this little nod. it was to the extent the moment mattered, bush clearly won it. >> governor jeb bush -- thinking of ronald reagan as well. when ronald reagan was commanding in that primary debate, decades ago when he said i paid for this microphone. slightly different situation, but the same point, that he can look -- jeb bush can put -- he can put donald trump down in a very professional way, then he will prevail.
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he'll have an incredible opportunity. >> it's a huge opportunity, a huge risk. i have to imagine they're all thinking what is the line? if donald comes after me what's the line? the think with trump that's different than the other candidates is you can prepare that line you can rehearse it even deliver it well. there's a chance trump is going to turn right around not miss a beat and you won't know what to do. >> and you've got nothing left. >> and it's a bust instead of a breakthrough. >> a test of improvisational skills. >> he should go to second city or something. >> after he finishes the steve kornacki school of debate preparation. hasn't failed anyone yet. hasn't worked for anyone either. new revelations about bernie sanders' life before he became a u.s. senator. what just happened at spain's running of the bulls that hasn't happened in more than a century.
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never see me do the running of the bulls in pamplona spain. four people were gored on the fifth day of the festival. five others suffered cuts and bruises. one of the six bulls actually turned back and returned to its holding pen. it didn't want to run the race. it's not really a race. you know what i mean. historians say the last time that happened was during a run in the 19th century. thousands of people packed the streets of pamplona each summer for the nine-day festival, either daring to run with the bulls themselves or simply cheering on those who are brave, if brave is the right word brave enough to run. we're expecting a larger crowd this september at the global citizen festival beyonce, pearl jam, ed shear ran and cold play will headline the concert in central park on september 26th. beyonce made this special announcement about it this week. >> i'm proud to announce charm for change will be joining global citizen with the goal of
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there's very little we don't seem to know about the key moments in the life of hillary clinton, childhood outside chicago, student commencement speaker of wellesley, yale law school marriage to her law school classmate, partnership at a law firm. her husband in the arkansas governor's. hillary clinton's life in not an open book is at least a heavily scrutinized and very familiar with. but not so much for her closest rival pour the 2016 democratic nomination. senator bernie sanders of vermont has managed to keep huge swaths of his personal life off limits, even as he has succeeded in politics. first as the mayor of burlington vermont, then a congressman, now a u.s. senator now running for president. sanders is so private it wasn't until yesterday that we learned that his only child, a son, was born out of wedlock and not during his first marriage.
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we learned this in a politico magazine article titled "bernie sanders has a secret." there's nothing wrong with having a child out of wedlock, but only pointing out if hillary clinton were the parent of an illegitimate child, the nation would have heard about it long before now, it would have been dissected over and over and over and over. bernie sanders proves it is possible to be a united states senator and keep large sections of your private life off limits. can the same be said once you've decided to run for. joining us is michael cruz senior writer in politico and the author of that article. thank you for taking a few minutes. tell us the story of how you learned this. part of the story i'm interested in hearing is how you reported it out. you're dealing with a senator who doesn't ever want to talk about his private life in any way. >> sure. thanks for having me on. i went up to vermont, interested broadly in bernie sanders in the
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1970s, this fascinating formative time in which he went from perennial third party loser to the mayor of burlington vermont, in 1981. my reporting took me somewhere frankly i didn't expect to go which was making a public records request for the birth certificate of his son which, of course, showed that the mother of the son is not bernie sanders' ex-wife which had never been reported in 44 years of his public political life. the story i wrote and the choices i made and how i provided the context was not about that fact. it was about how that fact managed to not get reported managed to not get talked about at least publicly for so long. i think it says something about bernie sanders and his priorities. it says something about vermont and the vermont press corps and their priorities. >> it's interesting. to read your article, there are
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so many fascinating details in there. he tried to be a carpenter at one point in the 1970s. apparently he was not a good carpenter. he was living on unemployment insurance for a while. when he got his first election as mayor of burmg ton, 40 years old, about $30,000 a year. more money than he had ever made in his life. fascinating details. i guess the thing i took away this is a guy from brooklyn new york, who wound up in vermont after college, and he really found the perfect place for himself. >> he did. it suited him very, very well. it was the kind of place where he could talk about what he wanted to talk about to a receptive audience. he was a more racially oriented radical activist in college, but when he gets to vermont, he turns his focus to economic justice which he had been talking about ever since with startling consistency. vermont, they knew him or they knew of him and they've known of him for a long, long time and
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they let him, for better or for worse, talk about what he wanted to talk about. >> let me bring the panel into this and i'm curious what you guys make of this. we always have debates about what's off limits what's fair game. bernie sanders has tried to draw this line his whole political career, that basically nothing that isn't literally or explicitly about policy nothing is relevant. he doesn't want to talk about anything. he's been successful as michael is saying in establishing this zone of privacy. now he's running for president. the expectations in a national political campaign especially when you start to get traction in the polling a little different. >> definitely a little different. to your point, he's not only avoided this sort of scrutiny but actually turned it into one of his core principle ts like this campaign isn't about me and my personality and my life and where i lived and those sorts of things. it's about the principles it's about the policies it's about the people. so he does something very effectively that usually republicans are much better at
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which is an attack and critique of the media. he says the media doesn't focus on what's important, they're trying to focus on my personal life when people want to hear about how they're going to get jobs and put food on the table which frankly i think is an argument that continues to work in a presidential campaign. >> how much do people want to know? you've been a candidate before. how much do people want to know about you as a person versus being what your policy positions are? >> people do like to -- certainly it's political troep that people like to get to know you as a person they'll be hard pressed to dislike someone who has a favorable biography. you want to present yourself in a favorable light, family, personal whatever. personally i agree with bernie sanders, it is about the policy. that's exactly right. but what i do want to know about the person are you a hypocrite? he is not. he does not rale against families who have children out of wedlock or any of those things. i don't see any evidence of
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hypocrisy in his background. but what i do see key in his personal life what's interesting is that he is -- he lived for a long time on the benefits of the state, if you will and that's not at odds with his policy stance so i give him that. but i do have a significant problem with choosing that -- >> i imagine. michael, since this article cam out, have you heard from senator sanders, his staff, the people around him? what's been their reaction to this? >> i think their reaction to my reporting even before the story ran, when i talked to them before the story ran, their reaction was very calm very methodical. i thought it was impressive to be honest answered every question i had and then when i said is there anything else that you'd like to add, michael briggs bernie sanders'
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spokesman, went back to the policies which i thought was totally fair and reflected his priorities and reflected his key issues. the story i think gets at the fact that both of these things are fair game when you're running for president. people should focus on the issues. but there are certain details about your personal life that should not be off limits anymore, especially when you're running for president. it all adds up to the total package that people need to know about if you want people to vote for you for president. >> can never accuse bernie sanders, krystal of not being on message message. >> yes. >> that's one takeaway. my thanks to politico's michael kruse. next a world record holder joins me right here. putting her skills to the test with her original "up" sales challenge. stay tuned. wasn't that big steve... hey! come back here, steven stay strong! what's that? you want me to eat you?
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this show but yesterday 13-year-old world record holder katy francis stopped up "up" world headquarters to have fun with us. katy sold 22,200 boxes of girl scout cookies, 22,200. think of that for a second. that shattered her own world record which she set last year. katie keeps 10,000 boxes of cookies stashed in her garage at any given time. katie is addressing the oklahoma professional sales association this month. but yesterday she was here and we decided to put her to the test to find out just how good a sales woman she actually is. we recruited some of my colleagues here at 30 rock. check this out. >> you are a great salesperson obviously to sell that many cookies, that small amount of time. what happens when somebody says no to you? >> well i just move on and try to find the next person because
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i found through the sale that about three out of every five people will say yes. so i've just got to find those three people. >> some people say what is the test of the ultimate salesperson. it's selling somebody something they don't want or don't need right? >> right. >> getting them to say i don't need it but i want it anyway. we thought we would bring three of my msnbc colleagues out and we would have you sell them things that they don't need. we're going to change right now and go into look at this, the elevator. if you recognize this elevator at home this is from the msnbc show "your business" that airs on sunday mornings. they do something called the elevator pitch. no better person to welcome to the elevator than j.j. ramberg the host of "your business." >> katie, nice to meet you. fun to see you here. >> j.j. is the host of the preeminent business show expert on all things small business. so you're going to try to sell her the book "small business for
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dummies." >> well, i saw online that you've done several articles for "entrepreneur." i wanted to start out by saying i love that moog scene and i actually subscribe and i've once been interviewed. my goal is to sell 20,000 books by 2020. 20% will go to make-a-wish foundation and compassion international. >> you did a good job because you went right into something i care so bad about, socially responsible business. if you did research on me, i'm a sucker for anybody that gives back. i'm going to buy this book. >> wow, she made a sale. >> i don't need the book but i'm going to buy it for you. >> j.j. thank you for joining us on the elevator. nice to see you. please welcome msnbc colleague colonel jack jacobs medal of honor recipient. welcome. this is katie. this is an arm man, west point through and through. you've got to sell him something
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he doesn't want or need. he doesn't want season tickets to the navy football team. try to sell him that. >> good luck. >> i know that you might not want these, but what they would is a really good gift to someone from the navy who can't afford to go. >> you're appealing to my better nature and you're assuming i have a better nature. i'm army you know. i don't have very much interest in the navy except insofar as they can use their planes to attack -- ships to attack my en knee. navy tickets? >> can i give you a suggestion? here is what i would suggest. navy has been a little better than army recently. that means the value has gone up. if you buy these at a discount rate. >> i'm a businessman and i might be interested in doing that. there is a possibility i might
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be able to scalp -- i mean i might be able to send them off to other people. you got it. 10% discount you got yourself a deal. >> she's two for two. >> colonel jack thank you very much. welcome to the elevator ronan farrow. >> always a pleasure. a real pleasure to meet you. you are quite the entrepreneur. i know nothing about selling things. teach me your voodoo. >> what does ronan farrow not need? a copy of his mother's auto biography. >> i know the story. this is the prop. a great plot twist where i'm born. jury is out how that worked out. >> well you can never have too many. it can be one for office one for home. you can always regift it. plus i'm making a donation for 20% of my sales going to compassion international and make-a-wish foundation. i just wanted to say i really
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admire all your work with that kind of thing. >> thank you, katie. the flattery really works on me because i'm a narcissist steve, so that works for me. how much is this fabulous item that you've pitched so effectively? >> $5.00. >> i'll do it for two. >> awesome, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. what a lovely item. >> you can handle the business transaction off the sechlt you are going to do great things young lady. great to meet you. >> all right, katie francis, you went three for three. katie francis, thank you for playing along. you're a very impressive sales woman. i had to make a confession to you as well that book wasn't actually mia farrow's. we couldn't find a copy so we printed out a cover of it and taped it onto another book and sold it to ronan anyway, so she really was a good sales girl. thank you to katie for sharing her sales skills. you can learn more about the organization and what they do at
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>> would you eat any of that? >> what a terrible menu. >> not your favorite? >> come on. put some chips, some subs pizza, lasagna. barack-aroni? >> in my limited experience with you, you don't maybe have the most sophisticated palate. you would do well to try some of these things. >> they're disgusting. no insult to the kids. >> the real question if there were peas would you eat it? inquiring minds want to know. >> i wouldn't eat it either way. let's see what else. this is the catching up segment. what else is making news that we can talk about with the panel. this is from the associated press, the u.s. women's soccer team joins taylor swift on stage at a concert fresh off the ticker tape parade. they joined her on stage last night in the meadowlands for her hit song "style." the team brought their trophy
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and let swift hold it on stage. krystal, what was the parade like yesterday? >> i was at city hall where the parade ended after they marched through the cannon of heroins. the whole time hour after hour the energy was just amazing. they had a female deejay playing these female empowerment anthems including taylor swift. everybody was dancing and getting down all these little girls decked out in their patriotic gash. this very girl power patriotic power, a lot of fun. >> politico tells us ted cruz is feuding with "the new york times" and loving it. "the new york times," this is the news yesterday, refusing to put "time for truth" on its bestseller list because they say sales were strategic bulk purchases. harper collins said they found no evidence of bulk orders.
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we call the "times" release, demonstrate your charge isn't a naked fabrication designed to cover up your own partisan agenda. i suggest this book is going to sell like crazy with conservatives now. >> "the times" gave ted cruz a big present right there. >> absolutely. >> an alignment of incentives. >> i think we can probably look for the ted cruz book on next week's. do we have any time here? one quick one. nbc sports a 108-year-old woman is going to be throwing out the first pitch at tonight's seattle mariners game. evelyn jones, the oldest person ever to throw out the ceremonial first pitch, congratulations to you, evelyn. that is amazing. that's my favorite story of the day. we have to end it on that. my thanks to my panel. thank you for being here and thank you for getting up with us today. join us tomorrow sunday morning, 8:00 a.m. eastern time. i'll have u.s. senator chris
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