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bout america's crippling trade embargo, cuba's human rights abuses and the basic guantanamo bay to name a few. but after more than 50 years, having both embassies it was great to join you saturday morning and great to see you tonight. >> you, too. hope you enjoyed those donuts. >> i did. thank you. donald trump was offered another chance to apologize tonight, and the biggest newspaper in iowa now says an apology will not be enough. >> he's not a war hero. >> he's a war hero. >> he's a war hero, because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured, okay? >> today trump is facing condemnation from the rnc, rivals and veterans groups. >> for saying on saturday that senator john mccain is not a war hero. >> he is a war hero. i have absolutely no problem with that. i do have a problem with what he's doing with the border. he's terrible.
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>> fellow republican candidates were happy to throw him under the bus. >> at a minimum he needs to apologize. >> it's not just absurd, it's offensive, ridiculous. >> i don't think he has the character or temperament. >> where were they when donald trump shot off his mouth about mexican-americans? the answer was they hid in the shadows. >> we're going to see whether or not this bubble has burst pretty soon. >> no, no, no, trump can survive this. trump is surviving this. tonight, the biggest newspaper in iowa is calling for donald trump to drop out of the presidential race after what he said about senator john mccain. earlier this evening, bill o'reilly offered his friend, donald trump, a chance to apologize to senator mccain, but once again, donald trump refused.
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>> i'm going to say this. i have respect for senator mccain. i used to like him a lot. i supported him. i raised a lot of money for his campaign against president obama. and certainly, if there was a misunderstanding i would totally take that back, but hopefully i said it correctly and certainly, shortly thereafter i said it correctly. >> but even an apology is not enough for the des moines register tonight. in an editorial tonight, the des moines register said the best way donald trump can serve his country is by apologizing to mccain and terminating his ill-conceived campaign. it's time for donald trump to drop out of the race for president of the united states. the editorial went on to say, in just five weeks, he has polluted the waters to such an extent that serious candidates who have the credentials can't get their message across to voters. here is the moment that changed everything in the trump campaign.
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>> i said, somebody should run against john mccain who has been, you know, in my opinion, not so hot. and i supported him. i supported him for president. i raised $1 million for him. that's a lot of money. i supported him. he lost. he let us down. he lost. so i never liked him as much after that. because i don't like losers, but let me get to it. he hit me -- he's not a war hero. >> he's a war hero. >> he's a war hero, because he was captured. i like people who weren't captured, okay? i hate to tell you. >> did you hear that? >> he's a war hero because he was captured, okay? and i believe, perhaps he's a war hero, but right now he said some very bad things about a lot of people >> republicans and conservative commentators began slamming trump on twitter immediately after he said that on saturday. john mccain remained silent throughout the weekend until this morning on morning joe. >> does donald trump owe you an apology? >> no, i don't think so, but i think he may owe an apology to
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the families of those who have sacrificed in conflict and those who have undergone the prison experience in serving their country. i'm a, in an arena, as tr used to say. >> joining us now, caitlin huey jones and patrick murphy who was the first iraq war veteran elected to congress. patrick, your reaction to all this? >> it's outrageous. it's absolutely outrageous, to have someone like donald trump who had four student deferments and then had a very sketchy medical deferment. he's a student athlete. he doesn't remember what foot the bone spurs were on so he doesn't have to go to vietnam. there are a lot of folks who were against vietnam, but they served because they had a draft at that time. he had connections.
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he got out of it. for him, to question john mccain at the time he's getting those four deferments and the fifth one, who was a p.o.w. they said you can get out early, you can get out early, he said no, i'll wait my turn. he is selfless, the whole ethic of what the military is about. for donald trump to question and say he's not a hero and just attack him like that is outrageous. and i will tell you, i watch that morning joe, i was up at west point for a board meeting. i watched morning joe this morning. and to see senator mccain be so gracious. i don't think i could be that way to be honest with you. to say he doesn't owe me an apology, but he owes the other p.o.w.s an apology. i spoke with one named ralph. he runs a jesuit school in philadelphia. he said his comments make me dislike donald trump.
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i can't believe it. when john mccain got out, i called my parents in philadelphia to say i was just with your son, he's okay. he'll be home soon. i could hear his voice breaking out, reliving this. someone like donald trump, it's un-american. >> have you talked to any americans who just take it lightly, who just say it's trump. he says silly things he says things he doesn't mean. have you talked to any veterans? >> i have not met one, and i have talked to a lot of conservative republicans who are veterans, and they are all just, and some, frankly, who are supporting him. he's done in the veterans' community. that's 20 million votes, 20 million veterans in america. and a lot of veterans in iowa and new hampshire, if it was a 15-person race, with donald trump, he's still ahead in the polls and a factor, but he's done in the veterans community,
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i tell you that. >> it is flawed, to put it mildly, because it was taken over thursday, friday, saturday, and sunday. so most of the poll was taken before donald trump said these things, before we saw the reaction to it. anyway, with that little footnote, which is a giant footnote, it shows donald trump now at 24 in the washington post poll and clearly with a lead in that poll outside the 3.5% margin of error, scott walker at 13, jeb bush down at 12, mike huckabee at 8, rubio at 7. interestingly, e.j., the poll remains pretty consistent and stable once you get below the trump phenomenon in that poll. >> yeah. en i mean, first of all the poll isn't flawed, the timing is going to make it an excellent historical document. we're really going to be able to see where trump goes from here.
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it's interesting in the last day of polling there was a significant difference, a statistically significant difference between trump's number before and it started coming down afterward. and i was struck by that when i saw the o'reilly clip, because that's about as close as you get to a kind of apology from donald trump. and you wonder if he realized that on this one it wasn't going to work quite the way it used to, because you could say what he said about mexican-americans and the republicans weren't going to gang up on him, but when he said this about john mccain, the whole party came down on him. and maybe he's calculated that this is the one case where he's gone too far, but when you see trump with that number in the washington post/abc poll, it also tells you something about the rest of this field. the notion that at least at that moment he had a 2-1 lead on jeb
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bush is really astonishing, and it says something about the mood of republican voters. >> let's get to what trump said immediately after the what he said on stage there. he then was facing questions from reporters after he left the stage. let's listen to that. >> if a person's captured, they're a hero as far as i'm concerned, unless they're a traitor like bergdahl. he was captured. he's no hero. you have to do other things also. i don't like the job that john mccain is doing in the senate, because he's not taking care of our veterans. >> why would you say you like people who don't get captured. it's a simple question. >> the people that don't get captured, i'm not supposed to like? i like the people that don't get captured -- >> why did you say that in the context of john mccain? >> excuse me, excuse me, i like the people, you have many people that didn't get captured. i respect them greatly. you have people that got
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captured. i respect them greatly also. >> caitlyn, i was going to get to you after that, but i have to go to patrick murphy again. i like people that don't get captured. so i guess, patrick, he likes you, though we've established that, i guess. >> he likes me, but i tell you, it's just he just can't help himself. you know, when you run into commander in chief to keep our families safe, it's about the country, it's about serving our nation, it's about being selfless. i don't think donald trump knows one thing about being selfless. it's all about him. it's not about the country. he doesn't want to serve the nation. he wants to be there for the glory, for the celebrity aspect of it. can you imagine if he had the finger on the, you know shall -- the leader of the free word.
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>> caitlyn, there's been a lot of talk about how the other candidates are supposed to be or were going to be afraid of donald trump on the debate stage. now you get to wonder the way patrick just framed it and we've heard it over the weekend, commander in chief. you are the commander of all the troops, the commander of the troops who are lost in battle, the commander of the troops who come home safely, commander of the troops who get captured as prisoners. it is now not easy to see how donald trump survives the debate stage with the attacks that the other candidates will be able to hit him with based on this commander in chief issue, raised by the statements. >> right. i think this is a tipping point in the donald trump campaign, because as we mentioned, veterans are a very vocal, very energized, very important constituency, especially in a republican primary, and donald also seems to realize that he crossed his own line.
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that was the most uncomfortable i've seen him, and it takes a lot to get him uncomfortable. donald trump is not someone who is just going to back out of the race because a lot of other candidates are going after him, just because the rnc is going after him. that usually really fuels his fire. what is really going to bring him down, i think, are the voters who have supported him in these polls, and to e.j.'s point, i think over the next couple weeks, if we see that start to turn down, that will be a sign that he has actually offended the voters who supported him and fueled him in the past. >> and caitlyn, the great irony of this is that the future of the trump campaign, whatever is left of it, depends on his ability to say something no one has ever heard him say before, the words "i'm sorry." >> right, even talking to bill o'reilly tonight could not say those words.
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the other, the other important part of this is that, you know, to obviously, to criticize veterans is one thing, but to not kind of acknowledge that you are, you know, alienating an entire group of, you know, american heroes is a little bit unsettling. and i think that will really start to get to voters. the other thing that's important that he mentioned in iowa relates to evangelical voters. he doesn't ask forgiveness from good or something like that. he's in iowa, he's alienated not only veterans but perhaps evangelical voters. we'll see if that comes from the people who have supported him. >> we will consider whether donald trump will run as a third-party candidate if he does not get the republican
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respectfully, we remember the 1992 election when ross perot cost us our election, would you go on record saying if you cannot get the republican nomination you will not run as a third-party candidate? >> no. no. no. i won't go on record as saying that. >> why not? >> i want this country -- this country has great potential. but soon it's not going to have that potential, because we're being drained. >> in a poll released today it shows the effect of a trump third-party run.
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when trump is included, hillary clinton polls at 46%, jeb bush polls at 30% and donald trump polls at 20%. we're back with patrick murphy and caitlin huey burns. bill clinton came out with 43% in the general election and won the presidency with that. because ross perot won 18.9%. george h.w. bush 37.5%. and there are those numbers again, e.j., a clinton at 46, a bush at 30 and a third party candidate named trump at 20, looks a lot like 1992. >> it does. although i think there is a difference. if you look at that perot vote, back then, perot took a third of his vote from clinton, a third from bush and a third from people who might not have voted if he hadn't been in there.
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perot was not a hard right candidate, whereas when you compare the before and afters in the post abc poll, trump is polling overwhelmingly from jeb bush. so his profile is more a conservative or right-wing profile, which means he'd be an even bigger problem for republicans than ross perot would be. and you wonder, if the republican race, if his refusal to say no, i won't go third party, begins to have an effect, because despite what i just said, most republicans believe that perot cost h.w. bush the election, and they're not going to like his refusing to rule that out. >> exactly, patrick. trump was asked the question. will you guarantee us that you will spare us a perot scenario? >> and it's all about him. it's all about the donald.
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and he just can't help himself. and that's what the rnc, the republican party is so afraid of. they know demographics are destiny. and if donald trump goes in with independent, bankrolling his own campaign, the fact is they will lose the general election. >> let's listen to how much he will be willing to spend on his campaign. >> how much of your own money will you spend in the campaign? >> i would say whatever it takes. >> more than 1-million? >> we'll see? >> last election was $1 billion. >> if i ten to do well, i'll spend a lot of money, if i'm not doing well i understand that. if i continue to do well, i'll spend whatever it takes. the question keeps getting asked about independent. my focus is running as republican. i'm not ruling anything out. >> caitlyn, you can get all the other likely republican nominees to rule out running as a
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third-party candidate, but not donald trump. >> no. again, he shows, he wants to be a part of this race one way or another. and he's not a man of the republican party. in fact, he seems to be running against the republican party, that is why he is appealing to a certain constituency within the party that feels that republicans haven't done what they wanted them to do. they haven't spoken as directly about issues that they want them to speak directly to. so he's not going to, you know, bow out of the race. he's not, when the republican party wants him to. he's not going to say no to a third-party candidacy, because it would be better for the republican party. so he is sort of a loose canon in that regard. i think the only way around that is if one of those other republicans shall like ted cruz for example starts to pull away those votes in the primary and it becomes apparent that trump
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is sort of over. that's why believe' seen ted cruz really rally around and being the only republican candidate not to criticize him. >> there's an awful big difference between donald trump and ted cruz when it comes to questions of religion and god. let's listen to what donald trump said about his relationship with god when asked about it by frank luntz. >> have you ever asked god for forgiveness? [ laughter ] >> i'm not sure i have. i just go and try and do a better job from there. i don't think so. i think if i do something wrong, i think i just try and make it right. i don't bring god into that picture. i don't. >> e.j., when he's asked the question in front of that republican audience, you have ever asked god for forgiveness, the audience laughs as if they already think that's impossible,
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that's not this guy. and that probably also means all those people laughing in the audience about that question aren't taking him terribly seriously as a candidate. >> they laughed in a way that said they expected trump to say no, but god asked me for forgiveness all the time. it was, i do think that that puts him crosswise, particularly in iowa, with a large part of the republican party, the caucus turnout is disproportionately evangelical. but he brought up cruz. so far the rise of trump has been very bad for ted cruz. trump is actually attracting the people cruz hoped to attract. and i think what you're seeing from cruz is a sense that this guy will implode eventually. i am going to be really nice to him, because i want to be the
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guy in a position to inherit some of these votes if trump keeps saying things that eventually knock him out of this race. >> patrick, i hate seeing questions about god to candidates. you couldn't ask anything more irrelevant. but that republican audience in iowa does not think that's irrelevant. >> not at all. i mean, you look at the electorate in iowa and in new hampshire. that's a big part of the republican party. i think that's why you're seeing ted cruz not denounce what donald trump said, whether it's on the question about god or when he attacked john mccain's military service. i understand, but that's why you have people like rick perry who said he's not qualified to be the president. scott walker and others. i think ted cruz is playing the long game here. >> thank you very much for join being us tonight. just want to share something with the audience, sitting this close to patrick, i was watching him contain his rage, turning
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his comments about what donald trump said about john mccain and about war heroism and all that. i have to thank you again for your incredible reporting to us on the night of that amtrak crash where you were on the train and you stayed on the phone with us guiding us through it. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, elizabeth warren, not running for president, but she wants a big say in who the next president will put in the cabinet. and later, i will have just a few more words about donald trump. you know when you book a fabulous vacation cause the photos look amazing? (waves crashing, seagull calling) but you get there and find out it's far from amazing. (flies buzzing) it's almost like it was too good to be true? that's like when you switch wireless carriers and find yourself stranded with a frustrating unreliable connection. (oven door thuds) if your new network isn't working for you... (siren blares) come home to verizon and get $300. verizon.
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elizabeth warren is absolutely, definitely not running for president, but she wants a big say in who the next president will have in the cabinet. >> i just want to talk about one example of those revolving doors. the gold-plated door with citigroup's name engraved in big letters. how fast has that revolving door spun? well, let's count it. three of the last four treasury accidents under democratic presidents have had close citigroup ties. by the way, the fourth was offered the ceo position at citigroup but found another job. so what has the revolving door helped provide for city? well, during the financial crisis, citigroup received nearly half a trillion dollars in government bailouts.
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that was trillion, with a "t." >> that was elizabeth warren at net roots nation this weekend. and net roots always has a favorite, and it looks like it was elizabeth warren then time. it sounds like this revolving door issue and cabinet appointments, she's going to be very strong on, and this is not the last we've heard of it from her. >> absolutely, what happens too often is that the public chooses the president and wall street chooses the appointees. what elizabeth warren is doing is putting a bright line on this issue, saying any potential president should make a commitment now to support a bill by tammy baldwin that would say if you are in the private sector, you can't get a multi-million payout to supposedly help compensate you for your sacrifice but to in effect buy you off.
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this is something she had been working on since before she came into the senate, and it's something the public's completely with her on. >> do you know that net roots nation gave her a big round of applause for that. and martin o'malley and bernie sanders said they agreed with that, but not a word, not a word from hillary clinton, who did not go to net roots and has not responded to this tammy baldwin bill or what elizabeth warren is saying about the revolving door. >> right, and hillary clinton gave big economic speech last week in new york where she really tried to walk that balance that the democratic party is dealing with right now when it comes to economic issues. she talked about, you know, punishing those in charge of wall street, the meltdown in the financial crisis, punishing them in the future as well, but she hasn't gone after lobbying in
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the way that warren and o'malley and bernie sanders have, and she hasn't gone after the badges in the way that she has. you see martin o'malley, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders all naming citigroup, goldman sachs, we haven't seen hillary clinton do that. and for a reason. she represented new york and obviously a lot of her donor base comes from there, from the financial industry. but she also has to, she's kind of gearing up for presenting herself as a general election candidate and doesn't want to alienate those voters as well, but we have not heard their her on this specifically. >> let's listen to what she said about republicans and donald trump and another issue. >> house republicans may still want to fly the confederate flag and republican leaders may cower in the shadow of donald trump,
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but american people understand that black lives matter and that america does not stand for hatred or bigotry. yes. >> she has the perfect ear for her audience. i have to say, i think she may be our best political stage performer these days on the democratic side in the united states. now that barack obama cannot run for office again. when elizabeth warren takes the stage, she really knows how to appeal to that audience. >> right, although i think it's important to note that she tends to take the stage with progressive audiences whom she knows well and who absolutely love elizabeth warren. when you heard her say, there, black lives matter, it was later, a very controversial matter at that, at that meeting
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when bernie sanders spoke and martin o'malley spoke. the black lives matter folks interrupted their talks, and they didn't quite have this sense of the moment that warren had there speaking directly to them, but i think it's also fascinating. she is lobbying a potential nominee in president clinton in advance. and i think she is laying down markers, assuming clinton wins the nomination, saying, i want you to make these commitments on appointments and these commitments on the rules. and it's going to be very interesting how much elizabeth warren can get from hillary clinton in terms of direct or indirect policy commitments, simply by being out there the way she is now. >> let's listen to the way bernie sanders handled that same back lives matter issue. he didn't bring it up. it had to be brought up to him, which is a mark of not quite grasping that audience and what
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the real issues of the day are for them. let's listen to that. >> black lives of course matter, and i spent 50 years of my life fighting for civil rights and dignity, but if you don't want me to be here, that's okay. >> and ben, martin o'malley also stumbled in it, say being black lives matter, all lives matter, seeming to that audience to be dismissing, somewhat, of the issue of black lives matter. >> you know, i think this moment was an education for both of these candidates. and it's something, frankly, that all candidates running for office at all levels should be paying attention to. this is a moment of crisis and a moment of resurgent civil rights movement, a movement fighting for black lives. like saying to aids protesters, all diseases are problems. this is focussing on this crisis of black men and women being subjected to state violence, and what we saw in that moment is a movement demanding to be heard,
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and these candidates realizing sometimes after the fact that they really need to start paying attention. what i hope to see, from all the candidates, is an embracing of this movement and learning about the importance of saying the names of people who have lost their lives and then working on the policy solutions that will change this crisis moment that we're in. >> ben wickler, thank you very much for joining us, and e.j. and caitlin huey burns, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, the united nations security council voted today on president obama's deal with iran. defiance is in our bones. new citracal pearls. delicious berries and cream. soft, chewable, calcium plus vitamin d. only from citracal.
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why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. today, the united nations security council unanimously approved the deal with iran and five other countries. this weekend, jeb bush surprised republicans by saying this. >> one thing that i won't do is to say as candidate, i'm going to tear up the agreement on the first day. that's great. that sounds great, but maybe you ought to check in with your allies first, maybe you ought to appoint a secretary of state. maybe secretary of defense, you might want to have your team in place before you take an act like that. >> and scott walker responded in iowa. >> i believe that a president shouldn't wait to act until they
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put a cabinet together or extended period of time. i believe they should be prepared to act on the very first day they take office. it's very possible, god forbid if this would happen, but very possible the president of the united states could be called, the next president could be called to take aggressive actions, including military actions on their very first day of office. >> today 60 national security professionals from both democratic and republican administrations announced their support for the agreement which reads we urge members of congress to be closely involved in the oversight, monitoring and enforcement of this agreement. the consequences of rejection are grave. the unraveling of international sanctions, u.s. responsibility for the collapse of the agreement. a rejection of the agreement could leave the u.s. with the only alternative of having to use military force unilaterally in the future.
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joining us now, a representative from a global foundation. and a playwrite. she was taken hostage in iran and held in prison for 410 days. sarah, what is your reaction to this deal, and could you speak specifically to the fact that the final outcome of the negotiations did not include the release of four american prisoners there? >> yes. well, it's a good deal. it's a very good deal, and it's been a long time in coming. iranians are celebrating in the streets, and americans should be celebrating too. it's going to ease tension on both sides and hopefully lead to more cooperation in the middle east in combating isis. i think very importantly, it reduces the incentive of the iranian government to use
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hostage-taking as a tactic in the future. >> and joe, what is your reaction to the what the security council took today, that starts the clock on the 60 days in congress and what are you expecting to see in those 60 days? >> sure, the president has submitted the deal officially to congress, and that starts the 60-day review. it actually began on the 20th. and the u.n. vote starts the clock on their 90-day implementation period. so the deal starts to take effect 90 days. so within that time, the congress has plenty of time to review and to act on this deal. remember, george w. bush and george h.w. bush went to the united nations to seek authority for the going to war with iraq before they went to congress to get congressional approval for this.
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so this is a time-honored precedent for us. the vote today signals the overwhelming approval of the international community in favor of this deal. for most of our allies, especially our allies in europe, there's really no debate about this. this is a major diplomatic triumph, a major advance for global security. >> and a washington post poll reveals that 64% are not confident the deal will work. but with that in mind, 56% support the deal. so there we're seeing a distrust of the other side, but also the feeling that this is the best possible avenue to take. >> yeah. well, there's been a lot of distrust for a very long time. that's why this deal is so very important. but it's also a moment to step back and think about our foreign policy. i mean, a policy of aggression towards other countries that gets as deeply entrenched as our relationship with iran has been
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is difficult to do. it takes a tremendous amount of energy and resources that could be going elsewhere. this is a step in the right direction. >> jeb bush's comments were surprising, and what he said you don't want to just pull the plug on this the first day that you're president. you want to check not just with your cabinet, but he said check with your allies. what are the allies going to tell the next president bush if he is the president about this deal? >> well, you heard one of our allies on meet the press just yesterday, david cameron, the conservative leader of the united kingdom strongly endorsing this deal, that this is a major deal that will stop iran from getting the bomb and stop a new war in the middle east. the conservative government of france strongly in favor of this deal, the conservative government of germany strongly in favor of this deal. the allies understand a good
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deal when they see it. and for governor bush, i might be listening to some of his father's advisers. i was honored to sign this letter of 60 of the top national security experts and leaders of the country, and that includes brent scowcroft and paul o'neill who is a treasury secretary for his brother. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, a last word tonight about war heroes and donald trump. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit push your enterprise and you can move the world. but to get from the old way to the new
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at a press conference today, new york city mayor bill de blasio said that they wouldn't be making any new deals with donald trump because of his comments about undocumented immigrants, but the city may be stuck on deals that may already be in place. the mayor said i'm not sure we have a specific course of action on those deals.
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up next, donald trump and war heroes. after we are all inside for a while it gets pretty stuffy. when dad opens up the window what's the first thing he does? the tobin stance. but when we open up the windows you can see the dust floating around. there's dog hair. pollen. more work. (doorbell) whoa! what's this? swiffer sweeper! swiffer dusters! removes up to 70% of dust and allergens. stays on there like glue. can't do that with the other broom. wow, i love it. the tobin stance! that is totally what it is! benny's the oldest dog in the shelter. he needed help all day so i adopted him. when my back pain flared up, we both felt it. i tried tylenol but it was 6 pills a day. with aleve it's just two pills, all day. now i'm back! aleve. all day strong.
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he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. >> not long after donald trump said that, lauren jenkins tweeted this. based on what donald trump feels about p.o.w.s' sacrifices i wonder how he feels about service members who were wounded or killed in uniform. i wondered about that.
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so we formally reserve memorial day for the moment when we remember those who made the greatest sacrifice in war. but many of us may have spent more time remembering them this weekend than we did on memorial day weekend. when i arrived at my weekend destination of williams town, massachusetts, my first stop was the little war memorial, it's a smaller version of the vietnam memorial in washington, d.c. that i've visited several times to see my cousin johnny's name, to touch it, to literally feel the connection to him, as my fingers passover those letters. you can do that at the war memorial in williams town, too, which feels intimate, even if you don't know any of the names on the wall, the williams town memorial is respectful, somber, and in its way, beautiful. it was designed by richard
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babcock and dedicated four months before 9/11. mr. babcock left room on the wall for more names, because this memorial does not commemorate just one war, it commemorates every war, every american war since the revolutionary war. and after designing a space to commemorate every war, it must have been impossible to expect that there would be no more war. most american towns cannot claim any involvement in the revolutionary war. the little town of williams town paid a highly disproportionate price in the revolutionary war and in the war of 1812 and the civil war, just as it has in all of our wars. the names on the williams town wall tell the story of war and the story of american immigration. in the early wars, the names were almost all old american names, which is to say,
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anglo-saxon names. there are a few rare exceptions. joseph crowfoot lost his life in the revolutionary war, and john murphy is the first irish-american casualty on the wall in the revolutionary war. as irish immigrants continued to flood boston, relatively few of them made it as far west as williams town, but by world war ii, a couple of o'donnells went off to war from williams town never to return. the wall shows that the burden of war, american war, is not equally shared, never has been. military service tends to run in families, as it does in the mccain family. john mccain's father went to annapolis before him and was serving as an admiral when john mccain was a navy pilot. john mccain's grandfather was also an annapolis graduate who served as an admiral in world war ii.
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and so it is in williams town, where some names keep coming up on that wall, war after war after war. the smedley family lost four men in the revolutionary war. jedediah smedley, john smedley, joshua smedley, levi smedley. the smedleys lost another man in the war of 1812 and two more in the civil war. sherwood smedley is the last member of the family to appear on the wall. he was killed in world war i. williams town suffered many more casualties in world war ii than in any other war, and in one family lost even more in world war ii than the smedley family lost in the revolutionary war. the sweet family lost five in world war ii.
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four men and one woman. truman sweet, orville sweet, george sweet w elmer sweet and claire sweet were all killed in world war ii. claire sweet served in the women's army corps. the first was jonathan sweet. the last sweet was elmer sweet in the vietnam war. in total, 14 members of the sweet family of williams town gave their lives in war, and so the name sweet maintains a sad and heroic dominance in the war memorial in williams town. anyone who believes that the highest honor you can achieve is to see your name on as many hotels as possible can't possibly comprehend true honor or service or sacrifice. one memorial day weekend a year will never be enough to honor the names on our war memorials. never.
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can nothing stop him, not even this? let's play "hardball." good evening i'm chris matthews in washington. let's get this straight, there are no heroes in arlington cemetery because they didn't dodge the bullet. there are no heroes in p.o.w. camps because winners like donald trump don't get captured and the bombers that got shot down aren't heroes because they shouldn't have gotten shot down in the first place. refusing to accept release until it was honorable. is this what trump meant to say