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referenced, if you look at the groups around the world that really are trying to do something about trafficking, they want the world to speak out on this. >> yeah. >> but president obama and the united states need to lead the way. >> congressman lloyd doggett of texas, great to have you with us tonight. thank you so much. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politicsnation," a criminal investigation against the trooper who arrested sandra bland. her family responding to that dash cam video tonight. also one of the most emotional pleas for a living wage you'll ever see. a woman sharing her personal tragedy just steps from the capitol. also rick perry slamming donald trump calling him toxic and a cancer on conservatism. and that's just the beginning.
thanks to you for tuning in. we start with two major developments in the case of sandra bland. the woman found dead in her texas cell last week. according to the associated press, the sheriff says bland told the jail when she was booked that she had tried to commit suicide before and "the wall street journal" reports the district attorney says he is investigating whether the trooper who arrested her broke any laws. that trooper was put on desk duty. after investigators reviewed this dash cam video and determined that proper procedures weren't followed. and late today, bland's family talked about watching that video. >> as her sister i simply feel like the officer was picking on her. point-blank, period. and i personally think that is petty. she was pulled over for
something so insignificant. and because of an officer who felt like maybe his ego was bruised and got in the way, not once did he ever say he felt threatened. but when you tell me that you're going to light me up i feel extremely threatened and concerned. and i'm not going to get out of my car. >> three days after her arrest, bland was found hanging in her jail cell. her death was ruled a suicide. but now there are at least three separate investigations into what happened. and today her sister talked about the emotional flight home with bland's body. >> in the coming days we are going to have to lay our awesome, beloved daughter sister, friend aunt to rest. that's very difficult. it's the longest flight i've ever had. i'm sure my mother feels the same way. and my sisters do as well. >> the video of bland's arrest
is sparking a lot of discussion today, especially this exchange. >> do you mind putting out your cigarette, please? do you mind? >> i'm in my car. why do i have to put out my cigarette. >> you can step on out now. >> i don't have to step out of my car. >> step out of the car. step out of the car. >> no, you don't have the right. >> step out of the car. >> you do not have the right 20 do that. >> i do have the right. now step out or i will remove you. >> i refuse to talk to you other than identify myself. >> step out or i will remove you. >> i am getting removed for -- >> step out or i will remove you. i'm giving you a lawful order. get out of the car now or i'm going to remove you. >> and i'm calling -- >> i'm going to yank you out of here. >> okay, you're going to yank me out of my car? okay, all right. let's do this. >> yeah we're going to. >> don't touch me. >> get out of the car! >> don't touch me. i'm not under arrest. you don't have the right.
>> you are under arrest. >> i'm under arrest for what? >> 1098 send another unit. get out of the car. >> another unit 298. >> get out of the car, now! >> why are am i being apprehended? >> why am i being apprehended? >> i am giving you a lawful order. i am going to drag you out of here here. get out of the car. i will light you up. get out, now! get out of the car. >> for failure to signal. you're doing all this for failure to signal? >> get over there. >> in that officer's arrest report, he does not mention pulling out his taser. and he doesn't mention bland's cigarette. when bland later arrived at the jail, she reportedly told officials there about a prior suicide attempt. that's according to the ap. citing the sheriff, she reportedly said she was not
depressed, but was upset about her arrest. joining me now
are texas state senator royce west who organized a key meeting yesterday of elected officials and investigators in the case and eugene o'donald former new york police officer and professor at jon jay college of criminal justice. senator west let me good to you first. if bland did tell the jail as reported about a prior suicide attempt, should there have been more television for her inside her jail cell? >> without question, rev. there should have been. if they did the screening properly and she did in fact make that statement, if she made that statement, then there should have been -- she should have been placed on suicide watch. i'm not saying that she did make the statement. >> nor am i am. >> a part of this investigation. >> yes. >> that's exactly right. and the reality is that i would hope that the jailers who, if
they did in fact say that would be given a polygraph
examination to make certain they can pass a polygraph examination as to that particular bit of evidence that is now being circulated. >> now, eugene if jail officials get information like this of any kind of mental history, how are they supposed to respond? >> i mean, the whole story here is arrest is a very big deal and needs to be done sparingly. and because the jail part of it also tells you, you're responsible for somebody's life when you have them in custody. and their well-being. s and if they're on medications, they need any kind of attention, you own that completely. so going back to the inception of this, any time you're taking somebody into custody, you're taking away their freedom, that is a profound monumental decision. and every police department in the country needs to reflect do they take this seriously enough? pulling people over serious enough. but to actually do a custodial
arrest, not only do you have that person in custody, depriefing them of their freedom, but their well-being is 100% your responsibility. >> senator, what is your response to this report that the d.a. is looking into whether or not the trooper broke any laws? how you respond to that report? >> well let's make certain. what the district attorney told success they start off looking at it as a criminal investigation, unless and until there are facts that come to their attention that there is no criminal component to the investigation. and then they will look at policy and administrative issues. so don't read a lot into it. the district attorney is looking at it as a criminal investigation to make a determination as to whether or not there was obviously any violations. what i hope occurs is that as we're doing and making certain of this transparency that the fbi and the department of justice would also make certain that there were no civil rights violations. >> now talking about possible
civil rights violations. talking about violations period eugene, you were a new york city policeman. you're a professor now here at jon jay in new york. according to the law, according to police procedures, did this traffic stop have to escalate the way it did? >> there is no absolute that it had to. and the reality is a police officer is a peace officer. and needs to do everything that he or she can to de-escalate situations, to avoid this, if you can possibly do it, you should do that. so there is -- there is no imperative for an arrest here that is apparent. and the officer i guess is entitled to give his account. but, again, arrest is such a significant issue. officers can be injured. motorists can be injured. it's a fundamental major intrusion. you are under arrest when you're pulled over. but that doesn't mean that the police should be making arrests
unless it's absolutely necessary. they need to -- the reality as a police officer, you got to learn how to deflect, not absorb not to personalize. people say things to you all the time. >> right. >> if you take that to heart, it's never going to work. >> senator, you don't suppose you escalate. you are supposed to deflect i think is the term eugene used. bland asked the officer at least 14 times why she was being arrested. and listen to a few of the requests. >> put your hands behind your back and turn around. >> can you tell me -- why am i being arrested? why don't you tell me that part. >> i'm giving you a lawful order. you are not compliant. >> the officer never answered her to as why she was being arrested. should he have? >> i think he should have. and let's be real clear about this. this officer was going to give her a warning ticket. he was not going to arrest her
or give her a citation but give her a warning. and frankly, it went down hill after he asked her to put the cigarette out. that's when it went down hill. and his instincts or his professionalism, his training should have kicked in at that point in time. instead of going to 10 in terms of escalating it and having the confrontation between the two of them at that point in time he should have de-escalated it and made certain that it didn't end up the way that it did. >> but eugene you go from you're going give a warning, not even a citation and because someone questions you about putting out a cigarette, you say i'm going to light you up? i'm going to drag you out of the car? i mean what kind of showing of training is that? >> i think honestly, the police need a lot more training not only just in human interactions. mental health and i don't mean that in terms of people with diagnosable mental illness, even though they encounter that.
people are overwrought. people are just stressed. the average person in a traffic interaction wants to get out of there. but not everybody is in that mode. when you have somebody who is being combative, adversarial, i'm not saying that's necessarily the case here. the police have to be able to say wait a minute, why is this person i'm just warning this person why is this person not cooperative? and if it doesn't make any sense, you can end it now there is no need to ratchet this all the way up to a bad ending. so to the extent you can, you don't have to teach someone a lesson. your job is not to punish people. your job is to cite somebody or to warn somebody and to move on. >> well, i think it would be good for the officer to ask whether or not it makes sense. but if that doesn't work why don't you just go by the guidelines of what a policeman is supposed to do since you're a public servant. texas state senator royce west and eugene o'donnell, thank you for your time tonight.
>> thanks rev. >> thank you rev. ahead, rick perry calls donald trump toxic and compares his campaign to cancer. yikes. and then there is this. ♪ lindsey graham is getting a lot of attention crushing his phone tonight. also the conservative case for criminal justice reform. i'll talk to a key leader of the right about the new push to fix our broken system and find common ground. plus president obama makes his final "daily show" appearance. >> is that the advice that you then bequeath to future president trump? >> well -- i'm sure the
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if you want the people -- >> we've all seen the minimum wage protest around the country, but have you heard the real stories from americans struggling to get by? today we saw the human impact. sontia bailey was at a rally with senator bernie sanders. her words were emotional and heartbreaking, talking about the personal price she's paid working at two low-wage jobs. >> i work 70 hours a week monday through sunday. working such long hours for low pay has taken a toll on my health and my body. three weeks ago, i lost my baby
boy. i had a miscarriage at home at 3:00 a.m. no mother should wake up in the hospital -- no mother should wake up and say goodbye to their sweetie. the truth is i couldn't afford to grieve. i had to get back to work so i could have a proper funeral for my baby last saturday. if i made $15 an hour at the u.s. capitol, i wouldn't have to work two jobs. if i had just one good paying job, i would be a new mother today. we need congress to pass 15 an hour and give us a union.
the living wages is the only way women can get ahead and stay ahead. thank you. >> hers is just one of millions of touching stories. but the fight to make it right is on with some cities around the country adopting a $15 wage. today new york state's wage board recommended a $15 wage for fast food workers. so remember this woman and remember these stories. this fight is about real people. and today signs of progress. joining me now is congressman jim mcdermott democrat of washington. he represents seatac the first place this the country to adopt a $15 minimum wage. and he is a sponsor in the house of the new $15 minimum wage bill that bernie sanders is pushing. thank you for being here.
. >> it's good to be here rev. >> congressman, you saw that story today. what stories are you hearing from constituents? >> well her story, as you say, there are millions of people who could stand up on television and tell you exactly the same story. if you're making $15 an hour and you work 40 hours a week four weeks a month you make about $28,000 a year. that's under $30,000. now, if you're trying to raise yourself or take care of yourself and raise a couple kids $30,000 does not go very far at all. now, if you're making $10 or $7 an hour you have got to work two jobs. and that means you have got to work 80 hours a week four weeks a month make the same amount of money. that's why it has to be increased. you cannot expect this mother to
work 80 hours a week and then go home and take care of her family. we say we have family values in this country. we don't show it to people who are working, trying to make it. >> that's right. >> and we have to give them a decent amount so they've got enough money so they can take care of their family and also be a mother or father to their kids. >> congressman sontia bailey published an article about her miscarriage. and she wrote, and i'm quoting from the article, i know that once the senators read this they will offer me their condolences, but i don't want sympathy. i just want them to make sure the contractor i work for at the u.s. capitol pays a living wage. can stories like hers help bridge the partisan divide and reach republicans, congressman? >> i -- if they can't, we're going to have a huge turnout of people in this election. because following people we're talking about raising the
minimum wage. if you're not talking about raising the minimum wage you're not talking about working people in this country and what they're facing. because these people who are working for $7 and $8 an hour very often don't have even any kind of health insurance. and if they live in a state where their governor has refused to take medicaid they don't have access to medicaid. they don't have nothing. they don't have enough to take care of their family. they don't have health care. they are really behind the 8 ball. and they're going to come out and vote in this election and we're going to have a change. >> and the facts are that since 1968 the productivity of u.s. workers is up about 140%. but the value of the minimum wage has actually fallen 50%, factoring in inflation. isn't this the real story of the american worker, congressman? >> when we set the minimum wage a number of years ago, we said it would bring you up to the poverty line. and we haven't changed the
minimum wage, but very little over the last 15 or 20 years. and that's why the workers are falling further and further behind the line that the government says is the poverty line. never mind having a little bit extra to spend. they haven't even got what we consider poverty. and that's why we have to change this. it ought to be indexed to inflation. that's the first thing that ought to happen so that when things go up when the cost of bread goes up so should your salary go up. that's really how it ought to work. >> congressman jim mcdermott, thank you for your time tonight. >> you're welcome. still to come donald trump is going to the u.s./mexico border. what could go wrong? and criminal justice reform. i'll talk to a leading conservative about something we agree on. plus jeb bush spoke about lobbyists and k street. he is headed to gotcha street, next.
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this week jeb bush did something surprising. he took a big bold stand against lobbyists. >> it's the relentless expansion of government that made lobbying washington's premier growth industry. every time a lobbyist meets with any member of congress that should be reported online. it's easy for elected officials to lay out standards of performance for others. but what are the high standards worth if they're not applied to themselves? >> he is right. you can't set high standards for others if you don't expect to live by them yourself. so maybe he can explain why that speech slamming lobbyists was organized by a group of lobbyists. the international business times
reports bush's speech at florida state university was organized by the florida chamber of commerce, a private lobbying group for the state's business community. in the past two years, their political committees have spent $5.6 million to influence state elections. a lobbyist for the chamber of commerce who is also a former bush aide insists the florida chamber did not host the event. but the college provided e-mails that suggests otherwise. a chamber of commerce representative wrote an e-mail to the university saying quote for all intents and purposes, this will be a florida chamber event. however, jeb bush's team has requested to pay to avoid any legal gray areas, even though is not a campaign event. legal gray areas? it's pretty black and white to me. did governor bush think we
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they say everything is bigger in texas. and tomorrow we'll see if that's true. because donald trump is headed to texas tomorrow. making his first visit to the border since his controversial comments on mexican immigrants. >> i've been invited by the border patrols. and they want to honor me, actually. and thousands and thousands of them because i'm speaking up. these are tremendous people. these are tough people. they want to do the job. and they're not allowed to do their job by the president, essentially. i may never see you again, but we're going to do it. >> oh, we'll see him again, plenty. and it will be interesting to see what kind of reception trump gets in texas. because he is visiting laredo texas, where the population is
96% latino. and i don't expect rick perry to be there greeting trump. he just had the strongest takedown of trump we've seen yet. >> he offers a barking carnival act that can best be described as trumpism. a toxic mix of demagoguery and mean-spiritedness and nonsense. let no one be mistaken donald trump's candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised, and discarded. >> that cancer of conservatism will be at the border tomorrow. joining me now are jonathan capehart and jimmy williams. thank you both for being here. >> good to see you. >> thanks rev. >> jonathan first let me get your take on rick perry's slam tonight. will we see more from all the candidates now? >> i don't know about all of the
candidates, but rick perry has been way out there in his criticism of donald trump from the very beginning. remember, he is the only one who called on him to quit the race because of what he said about senator mccain not being a war hero, and how he liked people who weren't captured. i also want to praise governor kerry for i think accurately diagnosising the problem for the party. and that is donald trump is a problem for the party. the party knows it has a problem with latino voters. it has a problem with its image of being unwelcoming to lots of people. across the country. and that's a problem electorally and politically for the republican party if they ever hope to win the white house in 2016 or be a national party again where they not just win governorships and state legislatures, but also are able to take the white house and be a true national governing party.
>> jimmy, what do you think about governor perry calling donald trump toxic? will that resonate among other republican candidates and throughout the party? >> i would suggest to you, reverend al that former governor perry is being ever so slightly hypocritical. first and foremost donald trump is running on the republican ticket, not the democratic. second, more importantly, if he becomes the nominee, he will become the republican nominee for president. thirdly, and most importantly, find me the difference between governor perry's agenda and his record on civil rights and donald trump's statements. on gay rights and donald trump's statements. on choice and abortion rights and donald trump's statements. what is the difference between those two men? and i would suggest to you that the answer is nothing. that their policies are exactly the same. so it's a matter of trump -- i'm sorry, perry doesn't like how donald trump is saying it but in fact they share the exact same policies. so what is the difference between these two men?
it's very smart, you know. it gets attention and makes him look good. but are they having to do these kind of stunts in order to get attention? the way trump has dominated the news cycles? >> yes. trump is eating up all of the oxygen in the campaign room with these 16, 17 people running for the nomination. i think lindsey graham is being very clever in sort of acknowledging what donald trump did to him yesterday. but also in a clever way, rising above sort of the pettiness of what donald trump did yesterday. not only did trump give out his -- lindsey graham's personal cell phone number but then revealed a private conversation in a sneering manner that he had with senator graham a few years ago. so whatever lindsey graham can do to get attention and punch up his numbers so that he can get on either that debate stage or a debate stage going down the
road you know more power to him. but, again, because lindsey graham is reduced to doing something like that shows just how, as you said dominant donald trump is and that's not. that's not good for the republican party, because we're talking about what trump is doing and saying in terms of personal attacks. we're not talking about what he stands for and specifically in terms of specific policies that he would propose. that's where i differ with jimmy. i think you're giving donald trump a little too much credit in saying that he and rick perry have the same policies. i don't know other than his rather rancid views on illegal immigration from mexico. i don't know what donald trump stands for specifically. >> yeah. i don't either. but you know jimmy, calling that out, nbc news first read made the point today that trump is tapping into a big
anti-establishment feeling. i agree his policies and issues are not there. but i want to read this. trump's rise isn't about donald trump. he isn't going to be gop's nominee. rather, it's about where his supporters or voters go. trump's constituency is very real and perhaps durable, even if they end up candidate shopping again. so the point i want to hit is trump is having a -- or will have a very real impact on the race tonight because he is capturing an anger and an emotion in that party, even though he will probably not be the nominee. >> well i suppose after seven years of barack obama bringing us back from the last republican president, i would be pretty ticked off too if i were the republican nominees as well. and by the way, the american is the conservative voter. this is simple. donald trump is not going to be the nominee. we all know this. we all understand this. it is in our blood. it is in our dna.
it is not for him to be the president of the united states. but he is saying what the conservatives want the other 338 republican nominees to say. and they can't run away from that. steve king you can't win iowa without steve king. so the question is does steve king like donald trump? i would suggest their policy prescriptions are exactly the same. so no matter what donald trump does, says breathes sleeps or eats between now and whenever he drops out, which he will eventually, they're going to have to own his stuff in their policy prescriptions. i disagree with both of you. donald trump has made his points clear about marriage equality. he has made his points clear about choice, has made his points clear about immigration. >> we can agree he has made his opinions and his biases clear. i don't know where we're going to get from that guy. where we disagree is he has made issues in policy. well don't know where his policy is on immigration or his policy on same-sex marriage.
we just know he disagrees and makes some very inflammatory statements. >> he's their problem, not ours though. ly say that. >> that we can all three agree. >> yes we can agree on that. >> jonathan capehart and jimmy williams thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. coming up the bipartisan push to fix our broken prison system. a leading conservative joins me for an important discussion. plus federal charges against the charleston gunman. details of attorney general loretta lynch's announcement coming up. and later, president obama's final appearance on "the daily show."
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if you watch this show a lot, then you have probably heard me give the progressive case for criminal justice reform. but here are compelling reasons on the right to fix our system too. if you're a fiscal conservative you have probably worried about the $80 billion it costs each year to run america's prisons. if you're a christian conservative you might be concerned that the system focuses more on punishment than redemption. if you're a family values conservative, you are probably outraged at how entire families are being broken up over minor nonviolent offenses.
and if you're a law and order conservative, you know that studies show a drop in incarceration rates can mean a drop in overall crime rates too. these arguments are the reason you are hearing this kind of talk on the right from top republicans. >> i've long believed that there needed to be reform of our criminal justice system. some of these people are in there under what i'll call flimsy reasons. >> mass incarceration tears families apart and deprives children of their fathers and mothers. >> an innocent mistake is not supposed to be criminal but zealous prosecutor can make even the most innocent mistake look criminal. >> joining me now are matt kibbe, president and founder of freedom works and allison holcomb, director of the aclu
campaign for smart justice. they're both partners in the coalition for public safety a bipartisan group that held a summit on reform today in washington. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, reverend. >> thank you. >> matt you reasoned allison probably disagree on a lot of things. why can you find common ground on this? >> like you've said, this is an issue that brings republicans and democrats, liberals and conservatives, libertarians and progressives together not just on the problem of mass incarceration, but the solutions as well. sentencing reform, prison reform on the back end. and this is different than most issues in washington where we pretend to be bipartisan by splitting the difference on someone else's bad idea. we're not sacrificing our core values. we're looking at a perhaps well intended federal policy in the really devastating unintended consequences. and you have people on the left
and the right who are part architects of this problem, admitting that they got it wrong then. >> now, the president, allison, made history last week when he was the first sitting president to visit a prison. here is what he said when he was asked what struck him the most during that visit. >> these are young people who made mistakes that aren't that different than the mistakes i made and the mistakes that a lot of you guys make. the difference is they did not have the kinds of support structures the second chances the resources that would allow them to survive those mistakes. that's what strikes me. there but for the grace of god. and that i think is something that we all have to think about. >> how can we prevent young people from getting into that system in the first place, allison? >> well the president is speaking to exactly the reasons
why the aclu cares so deeply about this issue. we are putting so many young people behind bars. and what is happening with the millions of people now that we have in our prisons and jails is that we're depleting the resources that we know need to be going back into our communities so that we can build stronger families and safer neighborhoods. this is really an all hands on deck moment. and the aclu is pleased to be able to partner with unlikely allies like freedom work and our conservative friends to tackle this problem. we have called on all of our affiliates in all 50 states to step forward and join together hands across the partisan divide to get this work done. >> now, matt right on that point, hands across the partisan divide, what do people on the right think about you joining with the aclu and uniting on something like this? are you getting any flak? >> surprisingly, i haven't gotten any flak. and the more that i've talked to my community about what we're trying to accomplish here, what i'm hearing back is what took
you so long to get there. i think if you look at this issue seriously, washington, d.c. is the last place that's willing to deal with a problem that everyone has been acknowledging for years. so i think grassroots america is ahead of us on this. and also i think that the solution comes from the bottom up with both sides pressuring both republicans and democrats to get the job done. >> you know the bill that has been introduced in the house to make comprehensive reform happens to be called the safe justice act, alison. here is what it does. it limits long mandatory minimum drug sentences to the leaders of large drug organizations. it gives judges more discretion when sentencing nonviolent offenders. and it strengthens alternative programs like drug courts which help addicts get back on the right path. how important is this legislation? >> oh, it's absolutely huge, reverend. we really have an opportunity to
start turning back the clock on four decades of devastation of communities, putting people behind bars for extraordinarily lengthy amounts of time for nonviolent drug offenses when the overwhelming majority of these people suffer from their own drug addiction problems. why are we wasting dollars on these bars when we know that what we need to be doing is getting people treatment in the community, keeping them together with their families so that we're not perpetrating the cycle of wasted dollars and wasted lives. now is the time to do this. and i think will is some real energy to see some tangible concrete reforms. >> it's an important issue, and we're glad to have people on both sides fighting for change. and we're going to stay on this issue. it must lead to action. and action come from legislation. matt kibbe and alison holcombe thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, he's the late night president.
out to younger audiences through appearances on late night talk shows. with jon stewart stepping down as host of "the daily show" early next month, president obama made his final appearance with stewart last night, and expressed what everyone is feeling about the host's upcoming departure. >> how are you? what have you done now? you're also senioritis. what have you got, a year? you're on your way out. >> i can't believe that you're leaving before me. in fact i'm issuing a new executive order, that jon stewart cannot leave the show. [ cheering ] >> president obama has used "the daily show" as a platform to reach millennial audiences even before he was president. jon stewart always asked him the hard issues, but they typically
leave time for some fun too. >> it is true. i worry about the hype. the only person more overhyped than me is you. >> well done sir, well done. that's about the best answer i think i've ever heard. >> they're not real sexy issues. they're not the kinds of things -- >> you don't know what i find sexy. >> let me put it this way. i saw you flash that thing. i know what you've been reading. we're not going to go there. >> i appreciate that. >> i'm still the president. >> no, i understand that. i understand that. >> and that was your "politicsnation" moment of zen.
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announced a 33-count federal indictment against dylann roof the confessed gunman in the massacre in charleston south carolina. the indictment includes federal hate crime charges accusing roof of targeting the victims because of their race. >> mother emanuel was his destination specifically because it was an historically african american church of significance to the people of charleston, of south carolina, and to the nation. the parishioners had bibles. dylann roof had his 45 caliber glock pistol and eight magazines loaded with hollow point bullets. >> lynch was also asked why roof was not being charged with domestic terrorism. >> there is no specific domestic terrorism statute. however, hate crimes as i've stated before are the original domestic terrorism. and we feel that the behavior that is alleged to have occurred here is archetypal behavior that
fits the federal hate crime statutes and vindicates their practice. >> justice will be done and he will ultimately be forgotten. but the beautiful nine that's who we will remember. and we will remember the courage and grace of their families in the days afterwards. we will remember that people stood up. but now we must also finish the work. yes, the flag is down in south carolina. but now we need to deal with the issues of civil rights and voting rights and health care and other issues. we must in the spirit that those families gave forgiveness and said we're not going to let hate win, we must not settle. and we must not stop with just part of the journey having been traveled. we also need to question why there is no state hate crime in south carolina.
i'm glad the federal government came in. there are no hate statutes in that state. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. firing back. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. donald trump's attack machine is final encountered armed resistance. today rick perry, the former texas governor hit back hard. >> i can only ask as senator welch did of senator mccarthy, have you no sense of decency, sir? >> well jeb bush is trying to stay above the crap storm says that trump has been ugly in his description of mexicans as a people and joh