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that does it for us tonight. we'll see you tomorrow. now it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." lawrence. >> i will be taking style notes when i watch seth meyers, as i >> you are forbidden in this case. it is terrible. >> you are so right about donald. he takes the word boring out of any phrase involving political campaigning. it's no longer boring. >> that's exactly right. >> thank you, rachel. >> today rick perry asked donald trump a question that donald has not yet answered, have you no decency, sir? but we will begin tonight with the arrest in and death of sandra bland. sandra bland's sister is our first guest. >> right out of the gate, you see from that dash cam that this could have easily been avoided. >> we start with big developments this the investigation in to sandra
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bland's death. >> in the footage from july 10th, bland is initially pulled over by state trooper brian. encinia. you can see how this routine traffic stop turned so wrong, so quickly. >> why am i being apprehended? >> i'm going to drag you out of here. >> you are going to drag me out of my own car. >> get out of your car. i will write you up. now. >> wow. >> they walk out of the view of the dash cam and according to his affidavit she kicked and elbowed him. >> she was placed in the waller county jail where she was found dead in her sale. >> her family has questioned the official version of her death. >> why is it a 28-year-old woman who received two job offers would take her own life? >> the family has returned to chicago and will be buried on saturday. >> tonight as three
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investigations unfold, the waller county sheriffs office released medical evaluation forms apparently filled out by a deputy the day sandra bland was arrested. the yes box is checked. next to the question taking medication. but no medications are listed. next to the question, are you thinking of killing yourself today? the no box is checked. to the question, have you ever attempted suicide, the yes box is checked. to the question when, it says 2014, when why, lost baby, how, pills. a note on the form says inmate states she has epilepsy. a 52-minute dash cam video showing the arrest shows her including telling the arresting officer she has epilepsy. the dash cam shows sandra bland being pulled over, simply for changing lanes without signaling on a low-traffic road where
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clearly no signal seems necessary. especially since she knew the only car behind her was that police car. on the dash cam video she is heard explaining she changed lanes to get out of the way of that police car. >> hello, ma'am. >> the reason for your stop is you failed to signal a lane change. do you have your driver's license and insurance with you. okay, ma'am. are you okay? >> i'm waiting on you. this is your job. i'm waiting on you. >> you seem very irritated. >> i am. i really am. i was getting out your way, you were speeding up and i moved over and you stopped me. i am irritated but that doesn't stop you from giving me a ticket. >> are you done? >> you asked me what's wrong and i told you. so now i'm done, yeah.
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>> okay. >> you mind putting out your cigarette, please? >> i'm in my car. why do i have to put out my cigarette? >> you can step out now. >> i don't have to step out of my car. >> step out of the car. step out of the car. >> no, you don't have the right. >> step out of the car. >> you do not have the right to do that. >> i have the right. step out or i will remove you. >> i refuse to talk to you other than to identify himself. >> i am getting removed for -- >> i'm giving you a lawful order. get out of the car now or i will remove you. >> i'm calling -- >> i'm going to yank you out of here. >> you are going to yank me out of my car? all right. let's do this. >> we are going to. >> don't touch me. >> get out of the car. >> don't touch me. i'm not under arrest. you don't have the right -- >> you are under arrest. >> fm 1098, send another unit.
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>> get out of the car. get out of the car, now. >> why am i being apprehended? >> i said get out of the car. >> why am i being apprehended. >> i'm giving you a lawful order. >> you are going to drag me out of my own car. >> get out the car. i will write you up. >> wow. wow. >> for failure to signal. you are doing all of this. >> get over there. >> come over here. [ bleep ] about to break my wrist. can you stop. you are about to break my -- stop! >> stop now! stop it! >> stop resisting, ma'am. >> it makes you feel real good. you are a real man. you slammed me in to the ground. i have epilepsy. >> good. good. >> you should have thought of that. >> joining us now sandra bland's
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sister and the family's attorney. sharon cooper, first of all, i'm sorry for your loss. i understand how difficult this has to be for you to watch a video like that and now discuss this situation. that video has been around, has been available to us now for 24 hours a little more than 24 hours. could you give us your reaction to having seen it? as you continue to see it what your reaction is to it as you watch it. >> overall my reaction to the video -- and thank you for your condolences -- i'm just wild at this point based off the video, also all of the new updates have seemingly come out in the last couple of hours here. quite frankly, the decision to pull her over for her failure to signal, you know, to use her turn signal is a baseless reason, in my opinion. i think it's -- i think the
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officer was picking on her. in terms of the type of rhetoric and discourse the officials have engaged in over the last couple of hours has pretty much just wowed me. i'm baffled by the engagement in the derogatory comments to vilify her character and shift the focus from the real issues which is the inconsistencies in the documents we have received. yes we have received the documents you are referring to and they simply don't add up. >> i want to work backwards ward the arrest because it is an inexplicable arrest. in the lifetime of driving, i have changed lanes like that every day of my driving life somewhere without that signal. and i have never been pulled over for that. i certainly use lane changing signals on high-speed roads with a lot of traffic and whenever it is necessary. i've never seen anyone pulled over for that. i want to work backwards from the latest document that came out from the police department
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today with these check marks. i want to stipulate for the moment and attorney lambert i want to hear from you but there is no proof as far as i can tell on this document when it was filled out, was it filled out before her death? i don't think we can determine that no matter what it says on the handwritten date. it checks off the box, have you ever attempted suicide and it says yes in 2014, lost baby and then the method was pills. sharon, what do you know about that? what can you tell us about that? >> i just want to stop you, though, before we go in to that. the reality is some of the things you talked about are significant. we don't know those documents frankly, when they were generated. i have some real concerns. there's a lot of unusual things taking place right now. we have unusual circumstances that surround the dash cam tape and the glitches in the dash
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cam. we have unusual circumstances in the jailhouse tape, where there's actual time missing from the tapes. we have unusual circumstances where all of a sudden we have booking records that pop up out of nowhere. now, i just got a text from the waller county ada tell ing us -- and this is the day that we bring sandy home to chicago from texas. i just got a text telling us that they now are going to need to do a second autopsy because their first autopsy was defective. how is this family supposed to feel confident in the way this is being handled and in the suggestion as to how sandy died? >> did the family conduct its own autopsy? did you contract a separate autopsy? >> we absolutely did, lawrence. we did that. what's most disturbing to me is that we couldn't do so until after sandy was released to us.
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she was released to us from the harris county coroner. they did their own -- they told us it was a full, fair and complete autopsy, but now, today, today, just a few moments ago, we receive a text saying we are going to need second one because our first one wasn't good enough. >> this is a breaking news situation right now that this county, this district attorney is asking you to cooperate in delivering sandra's body back for a second autopsy. >> three days before she's to be put to rest. her funeral is scheduled on the 25th. this family has gone through the process of going down and bringing her back and when they brought her back, started -- even before they did that, they started to plan for her home going, and now, today, a few moments ago, we get faced with a text saying, well, our first autopsy was not sufficient.
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we are going to need another one. it's very unusual. it's really, really challenging for me to be able to say and appeal to her better angels and her family's better angels and say let's let this process take its course because we have to have faith they are going to do what they say they are going to do. we have requests out for records and so forth that haven't been met or addressed or responded to. instead, things are getting trickled out and i don't know where they came from or when they were generated. the reality of it is, there are a whole host of things that are very unusual as to how they are playing out. >> what is the fbi's involvement in this investigation at this point? >> as i understand it, they are observing the investigation. i'm not quite clear as to whether or not -- >> have you considered, i know you have only had minutes to can consider this request for a
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second official autopsy, but have you considered the possibility of asking basically for a third party a justice department, federal version of that autopsy to be supervised in chicago so that you won't have to move sandy's body? >> the practical reality is we have absolutely no intention of moving her body. we are going to see her homecoming and home going in to effect. again, we wouldn't have been able to perform our autopsy had it not been for the fact that they had done their full autopsy. and then released her to us. it would have been unlawful for us to obtain sandy and bring her home. this family flew on the same plane as sandy and the solace that that brought, as much as it was tearful, the solace it brought to the family, i observed myself.
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and now to be faced with a situation to be told we didn't do a good enough autopsy it is really, really not something that you see. you just don't see this type of thing. >> sharon, tell us what it has been like to go to texas like this to, in a situation like this, and, you know, even if this was a natural causes death, to go down there and to bring your sister's body back, and we know it was with not a natural causes death and we know the cause of her incarceration i demonstratively unlawful. there isn't a single observer that watched that videotape that i'm aware of any where that said that was a lawful arrest. >> it's extremely challenging. it's like ripping a band-aid off. for two weeks. i have to be frank and honest with you. it is challenging, long and painful and in light of the new information that we received quite honestly it is making it
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extremely difficult for our concerns and our fears not to be fight heightened by the fact that something unusual happened to her. due to the amount of errors and inconsistencies that we continue to see. >> can i go to the questions that are raised by this form that was released today on the question of -- did your sister lose a baby last year? >> yes, she did. she did. >> and what can you tell us about that? how old was the baby? >> it was a very early pregnancy. a painful experience and that's as much as i know. >> it happened in 2014. she was arrested on the 10th of july 2015. the time line doesn't seem to quite add up that you would be able to make it every day for a year and -- >> was this a pregnancy that we
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are talking about or -- >> yes. >> so she hadn't given birth and then lost the baby after giving birth. >> no, just a miscarriage. >> a miscarriage. okay. good. i just wanted to get that clarified. >> sure. >> and were you aware of any prescriptions she was taking that would be in any way be relevant to what we are discussing tonight? >> there was no prescriptions that she was taking that we are aware with of. what about phone calls from the jail cell. do you know anyone who had a chance to talk to her. >> my older sister had an opportunity to talk to sandra at 1:50 on sandy said she was in jail over an improper lane change. she had been given this bail that she thought was unreasonable but we assured her we would get her out expeditiously. and she knew us well enough to know we'd call back and we never
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heard back. >> how long had she been in jail by the time she had that conversation with your sister? >> roughly, less than 24 hours, based off what we were told from the time she was booked to the time she got called. >> did she sound calm in that phone call? >> very calm, very calm. because she knows. she knows we are here for her and if she needs something we'll get it. she didn't call back on sunday and it's unfortunate. >> it is tragic. again, sharon cooper, i can't find the words to address your loss. i'm just very sorry. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> connor lambert, thank you for joining us and sharing that breaking news about this request. any question about whether or not you will comply with this request for a second autopsy? >> there's no question. number one, it would be a third autopsy. it's hard to get a grasp on how
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you can say to us you have done a full, complete autopsy and now you can have your loved one and then we come and get our loved one and then we do our own autopsy and we are ready to lay her to rest and then somehow come back and say, we flubbed up. >> what about the results of your autopsy? did you find anything in there that clarifies the case? >> our autopsy is not complete. our results are not complete, as you well know. much of what will happen is that our physician will look at the findings that they come to, along with a whole host of other things. we have to see the ligature. we haven't been provided that yet. there are a whole host of things that we have not been provided that go in to the completion of our result, or the result of the autopsy that was independently obtained. and that will probably be a couple, two, three weeks. >> again, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. sharon cooper, again, i'm very
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sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, joy reid will join us from texas with more about the death of sandra bland and the breaking news we is just received about the county's request to do a second autopsy because the autopsy they performed, they now say was faulty. fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum...♪ smoothies! only from tums. ♪ if you can't stand the heat, get off the test track. get the mercedes-benz you've been burning for at the summer event, going on now at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. hurry, before this opportunity cools off. share your summer moments in your mercedes-benz with us.
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have breaking news here that was just created in the last block where the attorney for sandra bland's family says that he has just gotten a text from the waller county assistant district attorney asking to perform another autopsy on sandra bland's body because the district attorney is saying the autopsy performed by the county is faulty. we're going to have more on this after a break. ♪♪
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>> you need to leave. >> i can't hear you. >> you need to leave. >> am i on public property? >> joining us now msnbc correspondent joy reid in hempstead, texas. and nicole -- former prosecutor in harris county, texas. joy reid, i want to get your reaction to the breaking news we just developed on the show that the d.a. there has requested a
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second autopsy because the d.a. is saying the first autopsy they did is faulty. >> yeah, that was actually really stunning to hear, lawrence. you have to set the context here that tonight the district attorney for waller county was on another network, on television, essentially leaking portions that per the family and district attorney's office is now saying is not valid. you have within a two-hour span approximately the same district attorney's office leaking information about sandra bland that you could say would go to the theory of suicide as being advanced by the waller county police. at the same time, texting the family and saying, by the way, we need the body back because the autopsy was no good. why are they releasing selective information from it. why not release the whole thing? now we are getting information as to perhaps why we are not getting the entire autopsy because they want to replace it, retract it.
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that is stunning. i never heard of anything like that before. >> nicole, as a former prosecutor in that area, guide us through this. i've never heard of this kind of thing where the prosecutor asks to do a second autopsy because they made mistakes in the first one. >> well, i mean, first of all, you don't leak part of it. you either decide to release the autopsy or you don't. i'm not sure what the theory is there. it is unusual to ask for another autopsy, especially after you allowed the body to be released. hopefully they will go up and allow the doctors to use a facility there in chicago opposed to having her sent back here. it is very strange and disappointing. they have already released a video that had problems. now they are telling us they have an autopsy that has problems. i really don't understand what is happening over there. >> carmen roe, have you ever heard of one of these instances before where ada says, oh, we have made some mistakes in the first autopsy and we'd like to
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do it again. >> it is one more mistake made in waller county which is every bit why we need the doj, the fbi to get involved and someone else to oversee this investigation, if not take it over so we can have some confidence in the outcome and save this family from furthering their pain. >> joy reid, i have been reading these police documents, especially the one that came out today with these check marks on it. i want to clarify for the audience, sandra bland doesn't write anything on these forms. her signature doesn't does not appear on these forms. these are boxes checked by someone. there at the police station. it is all handwritten. there's certainly no computer code on it or anything that would indicate an actual time stamp. to be absolutely certain as to when this form was filled out, whether it was filled out at the
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time they suggest it was or whether it was filled out after her death, that's not something we can be certain of. >> i think it is important that you make that point n. the media we are accustom to receive documents from police agents and making that the narrative of the story without interrogating it much. that's the official statement. keep in mind the trooper who in this case you can see from the 49-minute video or the one glitchy that was shorter, he literally escalated that situation, based on asking sandra bland if she would like to put her cigarette and when she said she would not he orders her out of the car. the cigarette part of that, the reason she was taken out of the car and then the part about the trooper pulling his taser and essentially threatening to request quote light her up, none of that was in the trooper's police report. if you go by the land narrative you don't get the picture that emerges on the dash cam video.
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i think there are enough discrepancies here that you have to take everything with a grain of salt and any leak from the district attorney's office, eluding to an autopsy that now the same office is saying is invalid. so much doesn't add up. you have nothing but questions at this point. >> i want to look at the dash cam video once again at the first moment where the officer tells sandra bland that she's under arrest. >> get out of the car. >> don't touch me. i'm not under arrest, you don't have the right -- >> you are under arrest. >> nicole, there she is in the car behind the wheel. he tells her she's under arrest. he says it twice actually when she is still in the car. on the video. in his police report, his written report, he says the arrest did not occur until well after she was out of the car
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several minutes after what we just saw. this video directly contradicts his police report. >> well, absolutely. it appears to contradict the facts. he is telling this woman she's under arrest when we haven't seen any possible lawful reason she could actually be under arrest at this point. he is actually the one escalating the circumstance, as was mentioned earlier. he should have training to deescalate this kind of circumstance, not to make it worse. >> carmen roe as we see what is in effect an argument about the law developing between the officer and the sandra there, she's right. everything she is saying back to him is actually more legally grounded than what he is saying. >> that's exactly right, lawrence. just like what you said earlier, this stop was illegal. i think what they need to do is spend less time wondering how sandra might have caused her death and more time focusing on how texas could have prevented it and perhaps looking in to
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what nicole discussed which is the potential offense of oppression. this officer suggested he was arresting sandra and attempted to yank her out of the car knowing he had no lawful authority to do so. in texas that's a crime. we may need to spend time looking in to that as well. >> we are covering the breaking news situation just revealed on this program that the district attorney in texas is asking for a second autopsy on sandra bland because the district attorney is saying the first autopsy that they performed, he's now saying that autopsy is faulty. we'll be right back with more on this. and a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path created by people, technology and ideas. to move your company from what it is now... to what it needs to become.
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money. >> i just got a text telling us they now are going to need to do a second autopsy because their first autopsy was defective. how is this family supposed to feel confident in the way this is being handled, and in the suggestion as to how sandy died? >> we're back with msnbc national correspondent joy reid who's in texas tonight and. >> joy reid this is the breaking news that just occurred on this program that the assistant district attorney texted the attorney for the family saying the autopsy they did is defective and they want to do a second autopsy.
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has the district attorney's office commented publicly on this yet? >> there's been no public comment yet. i did just get off the phone with assistant district attorney who said he is the a d. a handling the forensic side of this investigation. he said he was not aware of a text to that effect. but what they are saying is they are attempting to convey they want a whole new autopsy but may have conveyed there might be forensic material on or in the body that might be useful to the investigation and that material should be preserved in some way. we are trying to find out what that means, whether they are saying the body shouldn't be embalmed, it wasn't clear. i wasn't able to complete the phone call. we were coming back. that is what this district attorney was saying, not being able to tell you who texted the attorneys for the family. i can't tell you if it is the same person but this ada is
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saying they are not requesting a new autopsy in the words of this particular ada the autopsy in harris county, texas is done, finalized and not faulty per this ada. >> carmen roe, that sounds like a faulty autopsy to me, even though the ada is trying to say it is not faulty. we just left some material there we should have collected and didn't. that's one of the definitions of a faulty autopsy. >> absolutely, lawrence. it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic what is going on in this case. this harris county autopsy, yes, but it is waller county officials over and over again. this is why we need to have some superior individuals who are separate, unbiased, outside of waller county, texas, handling this investigation. you can't have confidence in these types of results. >> it sounds like waller county
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isn't up to handling this kind of case? >> it certainly appears they are in over their heads at this point. the reality is one of their own -- this event occurred in their county and in their jail. i think for the public to have confidence in whatever the results are of this investigation, there probably needs to be some outside oversight so someone can be taking part in, or leading the investigation that doesn't have a dog in the hunt. >> joy, what about the fbi's role in this? is that -- might that be enhanced after a night like this this ridiculous string of errors? >> that's one of the reaches out that i want to make this to the justice department to see if this changes. as of now this is another observation. when we see these cases happen, what happens is the fed will observe and exist parallel to the local or state investigation. they don't jump in and take it over. although many times you see the families after that, that happened in the michael brown
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case where the family and the community wanted the feds to take over. that's not usually the way it works. a at the moment the fbi is monitoring and observing the investigation. we will see if the confusion changes that. at this moment the fbi is not the active investigating party. >> thank you all very much for joining us on this breaking news tonight. thank you. up next, donald trump versus the republican party.
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...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum...♪ smoothies! only from tums. as a supporter of socialized medicine, the stimulus package and hillary clinton, mr. trump is quite suited to follow the democrat example. >> joining us now april lyon, the white house correspondent and washington bureau chief of -- she is the author of the presidency in black and white. and jonathon allen, political correspondent for vox. april, your reaction to rick perry's speech today. this was a deliberate, written, strategic decision to go out there and just hammer right at
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donald trump. >> you are right. it is strategic. let's go back a little bit. i think it was the best thing for rick perry that donald trump attacked him this week, talking about wearing glasses and looking smart, things of that nature. now he has put a spotlight on himself. it is like one follows the other. i think rick perry got his moment in the sun to stand out and say we don't like donald trump. now it is time for rick perry to talk about what he wants to do to be president. it is time to move on. he has a spotlight on im. that is the problem with donald trump. we are hearing all of these things and not the substance behind it. we are going to bring back business, how are you going to do that? we need to deal with illegal immigrants and the border issue. how are you going to do that beyond saying mexico could pay for a fence or wall. >> are we approaching a spot --
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as i listen to rick perry, i wonder are we approaching a spot where the test of seriousness for republican presidential candidates is a speech like that. a speech that goes directly to and dismantles donald trump and shows you are not afraid of donald trump and declares the person giving the speech a real republican and donald trump isn't. >> i think the silver lining for the republican party, a year and a half before the election is that donald trump is by contrast showing how serious some of these candidates for the presidency really are. he is helping them prove that. i think a lot of them were slow and weak in condemning his remarks on mexican immigrants. but we saw from rick perry tonight, and earlier today an opportunity to do that. to show contrast, to be serious, to set himself up. there's a is certain percentage of the republican party, that is
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not a small party, that would like to see donald trump go away. if rick perry is the point of the spear, i think it will be beneficial whether or not he is the president of the united states. i a lot of people in the party will be happy with him. >> this is the unserious part of the campaign for republican voters, certainly in their responses to pollsters in 2007 in july at this point, rudy giuliani was way up at the top of the polls with 34%. way higher than donald trump is now. last cycle, 2011, michele bachmann was a front runner. a point ahead of mitt romney at this point. so, this, as we look at these polls now, the ones that show donald trump on top, they seem like the old rudy giuliani polls. >> you know what happens when you peak early. you peak too early and fall along the wayside. donald trump, i have a feeling, he's going to be the gift that
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keeps giving. he's going to find a way to reinvent himself. this is a man who has done this a lot in his political -- in his business career, now political career. so i think we will see the next crucial point for the 16 contenders to include donald trump will be the debates where there are ten people standing up. i believe donald trump will have a binder of skeletons in his binder for every candidate that's on the stage. to make himself stand out and to do what he did, like he did to senator graham with the phone. giving out his phone number. i believe donald trump will continue to reinvent himself. when he is down in the polls all he has to do is throw out a negative bone and people are waiting to see this reality tv. >> jonathon allen, every campaign strategist in the republican campaigns knows the biggest headline the day after that first debate is going to be who hit donald trump the hardest.
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>> absolutely. they will be looking to do it in a way that doesn't show them to be angry. one of the problems is -- i liken this recently to donald trump trolling the republican party. keeps sounding like he is serious. and nobody really thinks he thinks that and he is going to win the republican nomination but what he is doing is baiting these guys in to anger in some cases, which we saw that with lindsey graham. i think is a problem on the debate stage. i think the debate is unpredictable, a mess, a little chaotic and somebody could emerge from that debate as being just right on. >> can't wait for it. april ryan, jonathon allen, thank you for joining us tonight. when we come back, more on the breaking news tonight about the district attorney requesting a second autopsy on the body of sandra bland. you've always wanted. but you better get here fast... yay, daddy's here!
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i just got a text telling us that they now are going to need
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to do a second autopsy because their first autopsy was defective. how is this family supposed to feel confident in the way this is being handled, and in the suggestion as to how sandy died? back with us now msnbc national correspondent joy reid i am totally blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit
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it says that they need to have the body, quote, available for future examination by qualified experts. that means a second autopsy. >> or at minimum it means preserving the body, whatever the interpretation of what that means, because as the attorney was saying, they have a funeral planned. and by the very definition embalming and burying a body would wipe away any forensic evidence. it seems even the clarification that i got from the assistant d.a., the text from the d.a. was saying they weren't saying they want another autopsy. what the ada was saying they want to have the forensic evidence on and in the body preserved. the big question is does that mean they are saying the family can't bury sandra bland's body because they would be destroying the evidence. it is very confusing at this point. this ada said the harris county autopsy, as far as he is
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concerned. he's handling the forensics was not flawed and complete. >> there is no question what they are asking for to the attorney representing the family there is no question they are asking for a autopsy future examination by qualified examination. they are in such chaos at the d.a.'s office they have put out a statement on facebook saying, we have not requested a second autopsy. the first autopsy was conducted properly. those statements are false. these two things cannot be true. this text is a request for a second autopsy. this latest statement is saying they don't need a second autopsy. this d.a.'s office is out of control tonight. >> well, and then the other part of it that we need to get in to is the idea the d.a. would go public with elements of the autopsy at all, without releasing the full autopsy so the media, the family, so that everyone can examine the full result. what you have is a selected leak
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of part of an autopsy that we're now hearing was not enough, at least in some way, according to the d.a. it is complete confusion as far as i'm concerned. >> a lot more on it tomorrow. joy reid, thank you very much for staying with us tonight. firing back. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. donald trump's attack machine has finally encountered armed resistance. today rick perry, the former texas governor hit back hard. >> i can only ask as senator welch did of senator mccarthy, have you no sense of decency, sir? >> well, jeb bush is trying to stay above the crap storm says that trump has been ugly in his description of mexicans as a