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. >> there is something unnerving about it. thank for you being here. that's "all in." the rachel mad ow show starts right now. \s. we've been watching a developing situation in the last few hours, taking place in one of the america's biggest cities on the west coast. it's been honestly dramatic. i've been watching it in my office all day long. unpredictable, and it's gone into tonight. i think in the first time i've ever reported on something i could describe this way, this ongoing news event has been happening all day in midair over a very busy river. so we're keeping an eye on the live pictures in order to fully appreciate what has been happening and what continues to happen tonight, i need to show you a map. this is portland the willamette river, which you can see right there on the map. because it is relatively easy to use the willamette river and columbia river to get from
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portland, oregon out to the pacific ocean, or from the pacific oats into portland portland has always been a pretty important hub for shipping. a lot of different oceangoing ships will travel this stretch of the willamette. they will often partnership themselves in this locke location. they'll put in in at the they'd for unload cargo or need repairs done. once that done they use the same route to pull back out to the pacific ocean. in order to get from ship-yard commerce center out back to the pacific. ships do have to motor up a big long stretch of river in this busy urban area. that means they have to pass under lots of bridges look the way, including this bridge right here which we've marked on the map called the st. john's bridge. what happens happen too long is on that bridge or more specifically underneath it. it started this weekend, which
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this ship right here pulled into portland under the cover of darkness you see the lights gleaming in the darkness there. that's a shell oil icebreaking. it's key to shell's efforts to try to drill the arctic for oil this summer. this is an icebreaking ship. it breaks ice, but it also holds something called the capping stack, which would be needed as a xom uponant of the emergency spill response if shell's argument ig oil drilling resulted in a well blowout or some. shell has been poised to start drilling the arctic any day now. as it prepared to start the drilling process, this icebreaker was heading out to the drilling site where it was docked in alaska this ship somehow sprung a three-foot leak. it had a three-foot-long hull ripped into the hull somehow, and forced it to return to shore. it happened earlier this month. when that happened befell that
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icebreaker, shell announced that icebreaker would have to head all the way down to portland, oregon to get necessary repairs. that was a big deal. it turns out the trip from alaska, where this icebreaker sprung its leak the trip from that part of alaska to portland took 12 days just to go one way. that means getting the ship to and from portland was going to cost shell nearly a month in lost drilling time. the window in which he can drill is not that long because of the weather, right? so a lost month would really crimp their plans this year. the federal government as told shell they did not start drilling under thattitebreaking ship with that capping cap gets fixed and returns to the drill site. over the weekend in the dead of night, that shell icebreaker arrived at portland. it was due to get retear. they were hone to get it into
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portland, get it fixed up turned around and back out to the arctic as soon as humanly possible, as this window for when they can drill starts to close. unfortunately for them when that icebreaker arrived in portland, it was greeted by dozens and dozens and dozens of protesters protesters mostly on kayaks who surrounded that shell sip called the "fennica" as they docked in portland tots that ship retear. when that happened this weekend, shell probably realized this was going to be trouble. they needed it back in the arctic yesterday in order to start drilling but now here it is, thousands of miles away from the arctic surrounded by protesters. they're not the kind who show up for a w450i8 make their point and leave. these are the kind of activists who are very happy to dig in and stay there. well yesterday morning, those activists got word that same
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ship was fixed apparently and was prepared to leave either dock in portland where it got repaired so it could head back to the arctic. hearing that the activists basically kicked into phase 2. again, that shell ship needed t planning to leave, they saw that bridge as a chance to that ship and thereby stop the drilling of the arctic. so the activists figured out some way to descend off that bridge in climbing agree, essentially an aerial blockade. 13 activists rappels over the side of the bridge. they rappelled, suspended themselves in midair at various heights over the river, right in the path of where shell's giant ship would need to go if it was ever going to see the open ocean again. now, there were reports yesterday that shell scrapped their plans to leave yesterday to get that ship put back out into the arctic because the
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activists had unford themselves over that bridge like flags. they said they were prepared to remain suspended for days if they needed to in order to block shell's ship from passing. honestly as far as we can tell there's no other way for shell to get that ship back out to the ocean without passing through there, without passing through these activists. well that was the situation heading into this morning, and then first thing this morning, sure enough first thing morning, at first light, shell decided to make a move. at about 6:30 a.m. the "fennica" started to leave its dock. the activists were still suspended off the bottom of that bridge. they were still there this morning, but shell decided they were going to pull out from dock, head in the willamette, and head in that direction. what followed was this remarkable scene. shell's ship got out on to the willamette, the open water, that
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wide stretch, and it passed up one drawbridge i think it's a railroad drawbridge passing without incident but the next stop is the st. john's bridge started slowly approaches, where all those activists got suspended. it got closer and closer see the activists and this giant icebreaker just stopped. the activists were suspended underneath that bridge. at one point there was another commercial vessel a barge they let cross underneath them but as the "fenni counter. a" approached they stood their ground basically dards the "fennica" to come through them. all think kayaks as well. became a tense standoff. nobody knows what was going to happen. shell blinked. >> now we're looking at the
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"fennica" is it turning around or is it just the helicopters? who can we check in with. is rachel still there? [ cheers and applause ] >> is it turning around? >> ross can you hear me? >> i can, rachel. right now it's turning around it's sideways, cheers from people who have been hanging here cheers from people out here on the dock so unclear right now exactly what is happening, but for now -- yes, it's turning around completely at this point p so not sure what's going to happen next. i think a lot of people who have been trying to stop it thinking this is a small victory. >> so shell's icebreaker faced off with the activists. this morning those activists won. the "fennica" did a 180 and headed back to the dock so
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shell can't start drilling. just an incredible scene, right? but then to make it weirder, right after that happened right after that happened, i'm sitting there eating my cheer i don'ts and this rogue power glider guy decides to buzz the whole scene. there was some confusion for a little while about whether this guy was part of the protest. it does not seem like he was. the greenpeace protesters seemed as surprised as anyone but just decided to buzz the scene as soon as the icebreaker turned around. and flying around in basically his flying lawn mower. that was weird. flying lawn mower or not, those 13 activists suspended by rope off the bridge i mean it was a remarkable scene in terms of the human scale of who they were versus what they were trying to stop. they stared down one of the most powerful companies in the world, and that company had to blink. then of course because shell
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is shell, right? and because every minute when that ship is in that port instead of on its way to the arctic that means gazillions of loss of profit shell responded by taking the activists to court. they got an emergency court session. shell filed an emergency motion if federal court to have those activists removed from that bridge. late this asp a federal judge ruled in shell's favor. the judge ruled that greenpeace would be fined $2500 per hour for every hour they continued their protest. the judge said if those protesters were still there tomorrow at 5:00 a.m. it would increase to $5,000 an hour and after that $7500 an hour and the day after that all the way up to $10,000 an hour in the face of that legal action the activists stayed on that bridge and they continued to remain there tonight. as we speak, just within the last few hours, police and firefighters in portland started
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to physically remove those activists from the bridge one by one. first of all they sit down the entire section of the river, that police action continues at this hour though we'll find out in just a moment. then just in the fast few minutes, the "fennica" got on the move again. about 30 minutes ago the icebreaker departed dock once again to try to make it out of portland. as they remaining activists dangled and as kayaks in the water tried to stop them and as the coast guard and local law enforcement tried to stop them. the "fennica" in the last half hour did make it under and through the st. john's bridge with a sea of kayakers in their path, about ten of the activists still suspended. those activists hell that ship back all today. just tonight, it went through, and look at all those people in
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the water. honestly, though even though the "fennica" has made it under the bridge there's no reason to believe the rest of the journey. just an hour agent they were forced to removed someone who was chained himself to the railroad drawbridge. and they were -- that guy apparently yew a bisick 8 u-lock to lock his neck to the bridge. they were panelible to cut that log off. he's apparently not with greenpeace, but must have been inspired by what he saw. there were other vessels that shell will need be able to pass out, as it goes out i think the columbia river. what will happen at those bridges now that the "fennica" has gotten through the st. john's bridge. the drilling of the actic, this is a big issue, political
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issue, global warming. these are global issues. even for issues this big, you often find there are tiny logistically specific choke points where even people sound equipped with ropes and plastic boats can have incredible leverage if they are willing to use it. the activists today found one. they found a choke point. they found a bottleneck in this process, in this huge global multibillion process, this one spot that one ship needed to go through on this one day, and for the entire day, and until now, they stuck a cork in it as shell's opportunity to be the first company to drill offshore in the arctic started slipping away from them like sands through the hourglass. joining us now from near the st. john's bridge is jessica grife, a reporter for "the oregonian." appreciate having you here. >> caller: hang you for having me. >> when the "fennica" went
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through, did it appear to be safe or did it appear to be a filly dangerous confrontation? >> you know i think we're all watching in awe. i couldn't believe that the kayakers were really putting themselves out there. you know they weren't moving out of the way, and you saw the coast guard boat coming and physically pulling them out of the kayaks towing the kayak out of the way. it didn'tly didn't look safe. they were definitely risking their safety out there. as the ship was going under the bridge there were still about nine or ten rappelers dangling from the bridge. a couple dozen kayakers just on the side of the research and as soon as the "fennica" started pulling through, moving towards the middle of the river. definitely a scary situation. i was word about the safety of
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the kayakers out threat middle. we've been watching from eight various live shots that we can get. as far as i can tell i can't actually tell if there are still rappelers hanging off the bridge now even though the "fennica" hanging off the bridge? >> i haven't heard otherwise, but when the ship passed until. there are still nine or ten, i don't have the exact number but at least nine or ten still hanging. whether the ship went through, you know the crowd actually still cheered for the people dangling. they lowered themselves a bit from the slings they had been sitting in, like you said more than 36 hours, and to el remind you, it is 103 degrees today, there is no easy task. they have been in some pretty intense conditions. people bringing them water, supplies. it is hot. so yes, they're still there that
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i know of but they did lower themselves a bit after the ship passed, and you could hear the crowds cheering cheering for them and the kayakers saluting them, just for what they've been through. just a remarkable activist action a remarkable law enforcement and public safety challenge for authorities, and such a wrench in the works for shell. just almost hard to get your head around the scope of this the scale of this confrontation. jessica grife, reporter for "the oregonian" and organlive. appreciate your oregonlive. >> thank you for reaching out. this is apparently the year of oregon news but looking at the human scale of what these activists decided to do and literally how dangerous it was and how the authorities had to handle this and seeing the ship get through, and yesterday pulling it off when every second means money to shell, just very,
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talks about anything he just sounds like really serious. [ laughter ] >> he's look -- >> you're adorable. that was on you news meeting today. producer isaac, it's his birthday today. it turns out despite his request on his birth dade we do not have tape of john lewis with puppies today, but we do have pictures. behold, congressman and civil rights hero john lewis with a very adorable puppy. same john lewis, different puppy. pun more? yet, judges by the acourt blue collar, i hi he's the same guy from the second picture. thee either in deep communication on quite possibly they have just fallen in love. congressman john lewis today
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with rescue puppies today. and those pictures those you are yew gratuitous nice thing in politics today. you may need them as a vaccine to protect your good feelings about politics from other things that are not as cute that might make you feel bad about politics. so here as donald trump today, the clear front-runner at one of hess golf courses in scotland, and i don't know maybe donald trump always goes to scotland this time of year. it's wicket hod and humid in new york today. but the fact that he is running for 79 has not stopped him from taking this trip to scotland. the first republican presidential debate is in a week. the campaign staff has made a big deal that he does not plant to do any preparation for that debate. this long weekend of golf in
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part i guess showcases he is not working to prepare for his debate, just doing the donald trump thing. maybe he doesn't need to worry about it. no matter what else happens on his campaign or what anybody else says or does he keeps winning the polls anyway. today the latest national poll came out putting don't trump as the distance front-runner it's out from quinnipiac. look at that his biggest lead in that poll by far. actually the biggest lead that anybody has had by poll thus far. the neare riffal is scott walker at 13 job bush the only other candidate who hits double digits is at ten points. this is the sixth straight national poll that's el put him in first. oh happy day. they did not just poll within the republican party, but
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head-to-head matchups for theory kale contests in the general election. so for the guys who are polling a distant second and third for donald trump, those head-to-head polls end up interesting and sort of close matchup between each of them and the likely democratic nominee hillary clinton. for the man who is the clear front-runner, by a big margin when you match him, donald trump against hillary clinton in ha theoretically matchup, in that case it's not close at all. hillary clinton absolutely spanks him, beats him by 12 months. in this poll they do okay against hillary clinton, donald trump loses to her by a mile even though he's way ahead of walker and bush for the republican nomination. he loses in a general election matchup so badly to hillary clinton. he loses so badly to a general election matchup he wouldn't only lose if hillary clinton were the nominee, he would lose
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if bernie sanders were the nominee for the democratic party. in this hypothetical general election matchup, bernie sanders, democratic nominee beats donald trump by eight points in the general election. and that keeps happening in poll after poll. snow matter how any of the rest of them do donald trump always loses big to hillary clinton, usually to bernie sanders, too, but republican voters keep saying they don't want any of those other guys. who they want is donald trump. it's weird, but it is explicable, it can be explained. this is a really simple decoder ring for that. and that's next. song: rachel platten "fight song"
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marist did not just ask who do you like for president? they asked them one cruel follow-up. they asked them this -- this is more important, a republican nominee for president who shares your positions on most issues or a republican nominee for president who has the best chance of winning the white house. in both iowa and new hampshire, by a 2:1 margin republican voters said they want a nominee for president who they agree with rather than one who can win. 67% of republicans say that in iowa 67% of republicans say that in new hampshire. and so yeah it otherwise looks like this conundrum, right? donald trump loses not only to hillary clinton in general election matchups he would lose to bernie sanders if he made it to the general election but republican voters do not care. they want their donald trump. he's the only top tier who loses by double digits not only to
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hillary clinton, about but also to bernie sanders. republican voters want him anyway. that ends up not being an interesting thing about donald trump. it's an interesting thing about republican voters. they keep picking them they know he would lose but they like him anyway. they know hess's going to lose but they don't care. all this nonsense about how his star is going to fall the reason at that common wisdom keeps getting proven wrong with each new poll showing him on top. republican voters do not give a flying combover about who is electable. they just want somebody to fall in love with and they have fallen in love with them. they know he's not electable, they do not care. so the nominating process looks likely to remain the don't trump show, even though the beltway keeps telling us it's about to be over. it doesn't look like it's about
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to be over. he's at the center of the republican news. today the news was from the way state fair. today the iowa state fair had to clarify publicly mr. trump will not be able to use his helicopters to give children helicopter rides as a way of promoting his candidacy. he apparently promised he would do this but the state fair has said mr. trump is welcome to land his helicopters anywhere and take people on rides or whatever he would like to do but that will not be happening on iowa state fair grounds. that's the kind of thing you have to clarify when don't trump is your front-runner. we also learned that rick perry is keeping up hess sustaining of trying to be relevant by trying to continuing to pick fights with donald trump. governor perry's latest gap bitm butt is a contest of pullups.
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apparently don't trump keeps calling him a weak ling. >> he said you don't belong on the debate stage on august 6th. he questioned your energy and quote/unquote brainpower. what would you say to mr. trump. >> let's get a pull-up bar out there and see who can do pull-ups. >> nothing measures brainpower like -- texas governor rick perry and south carolina senator lindsey graham are the two bottom tier candidates who have tried to use fighting with donald trump as their strategy, and the beltway press totally cheered them on in choosing this as a campaign strategy. that will work. it has not worked. both lindsey graham and rick perry look increasingly out of running when it comes to trying to get on to the stage next week. there were new details published
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today, include that fox news said the candidates already organized according to polls numbers, not only do of to make the top ten to get on stage, but the highest polls candidate, donald trump, will apparently be in the center of the stage for the debate. so it really will be the don't donald trump show. thanks in part to national polls being the grounds on which people are allowed to participate in the nominating process or not. a week from tonight, the fact this is the donald trump show will not only be official but physically on display when he stands in the middle like gladys surrounded by a whole bunch of pips on each side. fox, are you sure you want to run the presidential primary like this?
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so today authorities in louisiana released the 911 tapes and police dispatch tapes and a number of other reports about the shooting that happened a week ago tonight in lafayette, louisiana. they have edited the 911 tapes so they don't give out personal or identifying evidence but other than that, it's very raw. >> what are you reporting? >> there is a shooting at grand 16. ma'am, do you have a description of the person with the gun? >> he was wearing a -- i don't
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know, an older man. >> white or hispanic? >> he's white. >> do you know what he has on? >> shorts. >> i'm going to connecting with the dispatcher. one moment. that 911 call released today, obviously that was early on in the crisis a week ago tonight. a woman in the theater apparently running out and making that call while under duress, close enough to what happened to be able to give that detailed description including the clothing description of the man doing the shooting. police today also released the dispatch tape which is a reporting not of civilians calling, but it's the police officers and dispatchers communicating among themselves as the shooting happened. now, this audio is remarkable. i think it's an incredible will you newsworthy insight into what happened and how it unfolded and what first responders knew that night, you will not hear actual violence or gunshots but you will hear police officers coming upon all of this in real
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time. it's not gory or graphic in a literal sense, but i will tell you, it can be unsettling. >> give me the description one more time. >> while male might shirt, khaki shorts. >> we definitely have two victims. one is near my unit the other one is in the front. everybody hang on. 330 be advised, they say he's in number 14 he's reloading, we have an active shooter here. >> start a perimeter, don't forget the exit endorse and we'll start making our way inside to get people out. >> everybody just hang tight, stay off the radio. units we have -- come over here i need units to the back. all we know is a white male with khaki shorts and a white shirt. headquarters, we making entry. weft reports of first hall to the left inside the theater. >> 10-4 he's in theater 14 i'm advised. okay. just advised that the suspect
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shot himself. >> what number? what number theater? we're in the theater. >> number 14 number 14. >> we've been one subject down. >> all right. we've got several more victims inside. suspect is down. suspect is down. we have several more victims inside with gunshot wounds. headquarters we need multibalance in number 14, number 14. >> 331 tango, dispatch read get ems here asap. >> they're already coming. >> we've got four five victims in number 14. >> actually six victims in 14. >> tango, headquarters we've been one subject down with a black handgun. >> 10-4. >> 330 to all units. we have the suspect, he is down. we need more units inside to start helping triage and bring
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first aid kids immediately. >> the tapes just released tonight. as you heard at the end of that dispatch tape by the time police officers were in that theater and had arrived on the scene and were closing in on the shooter, they found they had killed himself as they were closing in. now part of the investigation into what happened there, of course, is to figure out how that shooter was able to obtain the semiautomatic handgun he used. it was a gun he had bought fairly recently last year apparently at a pawnshop in alabama. he was apparently considered a legal purchaser of that weapon even though these once in the recent past he was denied a concealed permit because of concerns about his arrest record. he had well documented long-standing mental health issues including have been been sent to a mental hospital as complaints and help of protection from his own family. despate of that on the record he bought the gun, bought multiple ammunition magazines, and that's how he was able to
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kill two people and wound nine others a week ago tonight before he killed himself. all that raw material has been publicly released this afternoon into this evening. tonight if you want to see or listen to that we have posted everything that's been publicly released at our website, if you want to access it there. but meanwhile, today, on the same day that all of that was released in lafayette, louisiana, in all, k08 coal today jurors started deliberating in one of the worst mass shooting cases that's ever happened. it is almost exactly three years ago, another movie theater shooting that happened in colorado. it was committed by a young man with profound mental illness. today in colorado the jury in that case started deliberating basically the importance of that young man's insanity. he's already been found guilty of the shooting. he tried to use his insanity as a defense for those courtrooms. the question now is whether he'll be sentenced to life in
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prison or whether he'll get 9 death penalty. today that jury started deliberating whether or not his mental illness and other facts of his life outweigh the horrors of his crime he should be spared excuse. it has to be a unanimous jury if they want to send him to be executed. we're told we'll get a two-hour warning, a two-hour window to prepare to covered it when the jury finally reaches its decision as to whether or not the aurora theater massacre gunman will get life in prison or death row. lonny and sandy phillips are parents of one of the 12 people who were killed. there were so many victims in the aurora shooting so many people hurt and killed. so many members of families and friends, it's hard your head around the scale, but they lost jessica you goie their
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24-year-old daughter. she planned to be a sports reporter. she was in the theater that night. she was shot six times. she died in the theater that night, and her parents have been in the courtroom almost every day of this trial for months now to stand for their daughter jessie. but this is the thing you need to know. on top of that on top of everything they have through in the past three years that started with losing their daughter. that's included day after day after day of this incredibly grueling trial, in which everything about the deaths has been gone through second by second and bullet by bullet with all of the witness statements, with all of the descriptions about what happened and who survived and how, and who did not survive and how, on top of all of that sandy phillips and lonnie phillips have just been ordered by a judge to pay more than $200,000 to the businesses that sold the ammunition that killed their daughter.
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i'm not kidding. we have covered this story once before on this show. the feedback that we got when i told this story was that people basically did not believe the story could be true it was sore horrifying. it is true and the phillipss are here next. stay with us. feeling intense lower back pain? did you know it may be coming from being on your feet all day? dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic inserts are uniquely designed to provide immediate all day relief from lower back pain.
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and body armor and tear gas grenades. he legally bault that equipment that he used for his massacre on-line and no questions asked. lonnie and sandy phillips whose daughter jessica was killed in that theater they sued the on-line vendors say it was negligent to sell that stuff no questions asked. a colorado statute designed to protect the gun industry and punish anyone who dares to bring that kind of lawsuit to the industry, that statute resulted in the phillips' lawsuit dismissed and think judge ordering them to pay $200,000 to these companies which are the exact businesses that sold the several thousand rounds of ammunition and 100-round drum magazine and body armor and tear gas grenades to the 24-year-old who used that equipment to injure 70 people and kill 12 people including the phillips'
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own daughter. the phillips are joining us for the interview. their attorney is standing by in washington, d.c. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having us. >> am i right that you guys have been living in a camper outside of the courthouse in order to be there for the trial? >> we sold everything we own, except our home and we rented that out and sold all of our furniture, downgraded my wardrobe drastically, and bought a trailer and a truck and moved to colorado so we could be here. it was the right decision to make. >> do you know -- the jury is considering the sentencing phase of the trial. he is found guilty. do you know what turn your lives will take when this trial is over in. >> yes, we do. >> yes. we have already made plans to stay in colorado until october. we have friends there that we're going to house sit for them
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until october and stay in that area because we have a lot of connections with political people there and it's just a place for us to be for right now. when that's over we don't know where we are going to go yet. >> when you brought this lawsuit against the on-line retailers that sold the equipment that was literally used to kill your daughter and all of those other people, did you know it was a possibility that not only would the lawsuit be dismissed but you would be held accountable for the legal fees of these retailers? >> yes. >> you decided to do it any way? >> of course. didn't have a choice. >> it's important that most of american america doesn't realize the on-line sale issue in the country when it comes to weapons and guns and ammo and incendiary devices. it's so easy to do obviously. and we needed to stop. we need them to take
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responsibility and say, there's a better way of doing business. this person was able to order all of this stuff and not even give his license. so they didn't even know if he was of age to buy this stuff. >> that's legal, right? that's not these companies breaking the law. that's them following the law. the goal of your lawsuit presumably was to try to get the law changed. >> right. it was not a lawsuit for money at all. it was a lawsuit to try to get them to change their business practices. >> i know that you have worked with brady center for gun violence. >> in the past yes. >> and the gun industry has said you should be seen as activists more than seen as grieving parents and this was an activist stunt, not something -- >> so you can't be both? is that what they are saying you can't be both? we have been accused of standing on our daughter's grave for our own agenda.
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the answer to that is yes, we are. our daughter would want us to be fighting. it's too late for us but it's not too late for other parents out there. so we're -- we took this on to change it. >> we asked them to consider changing their practices, at least making some attempt to find out who they are selling this armorment to. this is military-grade equipment. the bullets that went through the seats our daughter was trying to hide behind because she didn't know he was selling armor piercing bullets they sold 4,000 to him without asking for his driver's license. that is wrong. it has to be brought to the attention of the american people to know that unless we are rich we can't afford to sue. unless we are willing to give up everything we have, which we are willing to do and have done. if they want to take the rest of
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our worldly goods from us so be it. >> do you feel like this might change. the specific thing you are asking for -- you are not asking for the world -- >> no. >> do you feel optimistic it could change? >> i know it's going to change. hope i am alive to see it. i'm not going to stop until it is changed. >> we discovered the nra has been very good at weakening existing laws and sliding in laws through appropriation bills and that's how this law and the colorado law happened. so americans have to fight for that. it's a public safety issue. it's no longer just about guns. it's not about armorment. it is not about ammo. it's about the entire package and unsafe we are in our own country. >> don't get us wrong, we want background checks passed. that's the most important thing right now because that's the closest thing to do. we only missed it by four votes.
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it will pass first and then we are going after this law. >> sandy and lonnie phillips your attorney from the brady campaign was standing by. we didn't go to him. but thank you for being here. most of all i thank you for being willing and able to talk about this in public. thanks. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. esurance was born online. which means fewer costs, which saves money. their customer experience is virtually paperless which saves paper, which saves money. they have smart online tools so you only pay for what's right for you which saves money. they settle claims quickly which saves time, which saves money. they drive an all-hybrid claims fleet which saves gas, which saves money. they were born online, and built to save money, which means when they save, you save. because that's how it should work in the modern world. esurance. backed by allstate. click or call.
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vessel. they were dangling from the bridge in kayak on the river. they managed to turn the shell ship back today in portland. an hour ago this ice breaker from shell managed to make it past the protesters in a dramatic, physical confrontation. but the ice breaker is on the way to the arctic. it has a couple more bridges to pass before it gets there. that does it for us tonight. see you again tomorrow. now it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." guess which presidential candidate campaigned today in a place that has no presidential primary and no electoral votes.