that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. good evening on this friday night. i'm chris hayes. right now we are awaiting what is widely expected to be the biggest event yet of the 2016 campaign. it's a rally for the current republican front runner, a man by the name of donald j. trump you may have heard of. and it is held at 43,000 seat football stadium in alabama. people lined up in 90 degree heat to get a spot f. the crowd size fulfills trump campaign's expectations it will make up one fifth of the population of mobile. joining me live from donald trump's rally is nbc news

correspondent is katy tur. who's coming to the rally and why? >> reporter: a lot of people are coming to this rally. they were hoping 36,000 would come. they said they had upwards of 36,000 rsvps. the stadium holds 46,000 people but it is a little less than half full the moment. a lot of people are coming to hear his blunt talk. they are excited to see what he says and what they may not expect him to say because he is a loose cannon. the people here say they are not necessarily all decided that they are going to vote for donald trump, but they do believe he has a chance for their vote. they are going to come out and hopefully, in their words, be convinced by what he is offering the country, especially the immigration plan. people here are hot on the issue of immigration. back in 2011, alabama passed the

strictest immigration law in the country. made it illegal to give a ride to an undocumented immigrant in a car be it to school, work or down the street. most of that law was struck down by the courts. it's no longer in the books. it is home to republicanenator jeff sessions who helped donald trump frame his immigration policy. also, the state's governor endorsed john kasich a couple of days ago. donald trump will no doubt come out and say even though your governor endorsed somebody else who i can bring out to see me. kasich isn't getting as much as me. i'm leading everyone. expect him to talk bombastically about what he can do and how smart he is and how far ahead he is than his opponents at the moment. >> katie, your trump impression and your predictions of the speech are getting good the longer you are riding with him.

i think all those safe predictions. we will check back with you throughout the evening. joining me is the senior political writer for buzz feed, msnbc contributor and host of the majority report. so you, listener, viewer, hi. how are you? happy friday night. here's what we are going to do. we're going to try something tonight. a special enhanced viewing experience. here's the thing, donald trump right now, by any journalistic standard, is the number one story in the campaign. there's no way around it. i mean, the bump that he's had in the polls far surpassed the merry-go-round bumps in 2012 with. there's comparisons with perry and gingrich. he's outlasting them. he's led in the last 28 polls. recent rasmussen polls shows among republican voters 70% expect him to win the nomination. here's why it is an important

number. the best predictor in an election isn't people saying who they will vote for but who they expect to win. that is one of the most effective predictors of who wins in general presidential elections. 28 polls in a row in which he has led. polling 30 to 15 ahead of bush in alabama. he has fairly depthless resources. this is not someone who's going to run out of money. he has weathered already four or five media storms that people predicted would be his demise. he's completely untethered from much of the orthodoxy of the republican party, even the conservative movement, particularly that hoisted by the donor class that is a political liability. he's a real, genuine phenomenon. i was skeptical in the beginning. sam, skeptical. >> i don't think i was skeptical at all. no. listen, they have been building

donald's shadow, donald trump for 20 years. it's just they didn't expect that real donald trump would show up. honestly, i think there was a suit they were creating, the ceo president, the guy who wasn't going to take gulf, who could talk tough and he showed up and he's got a lot of money. that's the big problem too for the republicans. >> he's got a lot of money and there's a variety of things happening here. one is, we heard for so long how strong the republican field was. people have been writing this story forever, forever. i read it 600 times. so strong, deep bench, all these people. look at all of these people. well, this guy is trouncing all of them. so all the articles about how deep bench, how great the candidates -- i'm sorry, jeb bush maybe you think he was a great governor or bad governor, good or bad politics has not been particularly impressive on the trail so far. that's not a substantive judgment, it is a judgment

purely performance politics judgment, not super impressive. donald trump will tell you that, by the way. but this is -- this is where things now stand. i have -- the old lieb, when the facts change i change my mind. i have had to change my mind. do i think he could be the next president of the united states, i would bet against that. a, a nominee, no. is he going to be around, more than a crazy summer flash in the pan, more than a hermanen cane, michele bachmann campaign, yes. 100% yes. this is happening. more than that, he's not only trouncing them in terms of the polls he's basically every single candidate has had to change whatever game plan they had two months ago, the day before he jumped in to this race. whatever game plan they thought they had has been thrown out the win doechl jeb bush in the

universe where donald trump does not run never says the word "anchor babies." >> like he was part of a group that wrote a memo saying not to use it. >> you have the entire party moving to the right, becoming more and more crazy just to basically get someone to report on them. >> yes, here's the thing. yes on immigration moving to the right, agreed. to me what is an important thing to understand about what donald trump is doing is that the politics he's channelling are truer to the base than the idealogically rigid politics of the conservative movement. do you agree? >> because what he is channelling is not actually an idealogically coherent set of ideas. >> it's not like he says inevitably you get cronyism. >> what his campaign is built on is an attitude and style and

channelling t channelling the id of the conservative bachls it is about an identity politics he has mastered. he is a master performer. what is interesting, i think, is this has been his style for 25 years. it's just that now he's reinvented himself as a right wing pop list provocateur. and it works well. >> he is the madonna of politics. what he has over michele bachmanns and herman cains is he understands marketing. i worked on campaigns and also run a marketing firm. he understands that marketing is connecting what matters to people, speaking to that and connecting with them emotionally and the republican party fear is a primary driver of that. donald trump tapped in to those fear, some of those aspirations. >> yep. >> and that is what he is

exploiting. >> let me tell you something, i spent most of today listening to trump speeches, preparing myself for tonight's live fact checking, which we're going to try to pull off. don't go anywhere. >> you can't. they are not there. >> here's a few things i learned -- do we have -- can we play the flag petting? i want to show that. here we go. this is him. that's him the other day. him petting and giving thumbs up to the american flag. yes, there we go. cuddling with the flag. can we show him talking about the bible. someone held up a book and this is him talking about what he thinks about the bible. take a listen. >> hold that book up, please. okay. one of the great books. that's my second favorite book of all time. you know what my first is? the bible. nothing beats the bible. nothing beats the bible.

not even "the art of the deal." not even close. >> i will go so strongly against many things that when they take away the word christmas. i go out of my way to use the word with christmas. people that do this professionally say don't use the word cyst i mass. like hell, i mention christmas before i start speaking. there's a great assault on christianity in so many ways. >> why did i play those three thing. that one of the myths that developed in the two months of the donald trump campaign is he is a straight shooter. he's saying whatever. the guy is pandering in the most focused way imaginable. he comes out, he pets the american flag. he tells people the bible is the greatest book. he says he goes out of his way to say christmas. he talks about christians beheaded by isis. and what are the people of new york like, they are great hard working people. that is he's not a politician but the lowest common denominate

er obvious pandering a person can do. that's one thing to understand about what a person is doing here. not only that his schtick has gotten more on message. believe me, i listen to five speeches today, back to back to back. the themes are always the same. he's doing the thing that effective politicians do. he comes back to the same things. he's not freelancing all over the place. >> he has macros and i would imagine to a certain extent he is not just concocting this. i think he does watch fox news on a regular basis. that's where his friends are. >> he watches it all the time. he live sweet tweets it. >> and regurch stating it. and it makes sense he would win that battle at fox. everyone thought this is fox versus trump. fox is going to win. no. no, they didn't. >> to your point, if you watch him when he makes a speech, when he feels he's losing the

audience, he goes to those things that he knows will resonate, knows will get the applause. he does it all the time. actually it is like a break in his chain of thought. you can tell it is obvious he pivots right to those applause lines. >> i saw him speak in new hampshire at the beginning of 2014 and he was nowhere near as good as he is now. he had a very untethered speaking style where he was bobbing from one thing to the next and when he felt like he was in trouble he would go to his tv catch phrase. he would tell a story about firing someone, right? that was his way to get the audience back, but he was all over the place. you are right. he has perfected his performance and campaign persona and it is very effective. his press conference this week was very, very good. >> you are seeing the football stadium in mobile, alabama. if that looks familiar, you are right, that's where the go

daddy.com bowl is played every year, if that is what is ringing in your ears them capacity is 40,000 people. katy tur said it was half full when we last checked in. trump's folks say they expect as many as 36,000. it's a big crowd either way in the town of mobile. a big thing happening on friday night when we come back, we will keep our eye on the screen. we have our fact checkers our team of producers at the ready. i have subjected the staff to hours of donald trump speak in preparation for you, trump check live when we come back. don't go anywhere. until morning. so i'm one of many nurses at cigna with answers, anytime, day or night. i'm lauren, and i've got your back.

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taking stage fairly soon here. here at the table i have the senior political writer for buzz feed and also form ifferly contestant on "the atren 'tis." i was giving the bullish case, the bullish case of take this sere youlsly. this is going to stick around. this is not the flash in the pan i thought it was or the stunt i thought it was in the beginning. what's the bearish case? what's your case for -- what is the kryptonite here? >> i think we all -- i was certainly wrong thinking trump was going to flame out by the end of the summer. i think it is clear he will stick around longer than that. i think you mentioned a bunch of poll numbers that help him a lot. one thing that hurts him and that could prove detrimental to this whole thing is his unfavorable rating among republicans. >> you think it might hurt in a republican primary. >> he may overcome it. it is highest among anyone in the field. they don't like him.

they have unfavorable opinions of him. they havent broken it down as much as i would like to see but my guess is among the 43% are millions of devout conservative christians. there there are a lot of people on the right turned off by donald trump. not just his attitude and performance but he as a long, illustrious career of alleged flandering, basically violating every value that conservative christians have. >> it is clearly not a devout -- >> not a person of faith. >> not devout. i don't know his personal views but you were around him a little bit. >> i was around him on the show. >> someone quoting a skip chur a lot. >> no, i never saw him quote, reference anything, cross nothing, so this is definitely something that is -- >> i'm not saying -- he strikes me as a resolutely secular sglij

with that said, let me offer a counter argument there. his unfavorability ratings have dropped preciptously since he entered the race and remains the top choice to the extent there is polarity, he remains the top choice of even self identified christian conservatives in some polls i have seen. it seems like -- intuitively you would imagine he would be rejected but i also thought he would be capped from being from new york. there's some measure of hostility that comes -- that doesn't seem to be holding to logic. >> so far he's -- i mean he's wall to wall on every tv channel but still largely controlled his message. there's not been a single ad run against him. not a single -- the rest of the republican field for the most part is trying to catch up with him. they are not viciously, rigorously going after him rick

perry did, lindsey graham, rand paul did. >> that is the bottom. >> four people that republicans don't like. john mccain going after you, lindsey graham going after you, republicans have a problem with them. >> as we watch this crowd file in, we should say this about the crowds. the record crowd so far in this election is held by bernie sanders, 28,000 in oregon. sanders posted numbers around 27,000, 28,000 a few times. 27,000 in l.a. he's been drawing the largest crowds of the -- you can see there's a bunch of empty seats in the back there. not that mr. trump is all for the game of expectation setting. folks in trump t-shirts and mobile for trump signs there. that is something to keep in mind in terms of energy and whether energy -- the connection between energy in crowds and polling and broad sort of applicability. what do you think of the idea

that i have, which i'm sort of obsessed with, about the message unimpinged by the obsessions of the 'ole darks in the community? i want to play part of the interview he did in alabama where he got a question about the deficit. listen to this. >> what do you do here to attack the deficit? do you shrink the size of the federal government? do you raise taxes? how do you attack this? >> we're not raising taxes. >> will you take a pledge not to raise taxes. >> what we will do is shrink government but we will also bring back jobs. look, china is taken august of our jobs, other countries, not just them. i'm using them because they are number one abuser. they abuse us because our politicians are stupid people. >> here's the thing. he doesn't spend a lot of time on the deficit or shrinking government. he got a question about the deficit and he went right to

his -- right to nationalism, nationalism first, national second, nationalism third. what are you going to do about the deficit, we will shrink government and taxes but it is really about chinese taking our jobs. we need to take oil from iraq. everything comes back to this put me the tough, strong guy in charge. take back american great ens and that is more appealing message than saying you will cut social security. >> that projects on to what a lot of conservatives perceive is an attack on their world view by other americans, by gay people, by muslim americans, by familiar nest niss. it goes on and on. you can listen to limbaugh for two weeks and get the list. you can probably do it in two hours. he refuses to take gulf from anybody. that's like the fantasy version of themselves. >> i think it is useful to

compare him to mike huckabee right now. huckabee is the other republican in the race who has an aversion to this small government entitlement slashing ideaed that's taken hold in the conservative movement. >> you can see individual in a blazer and a red hat there. that is donald. >> the iconic image. >> he seems to be enjoying himself among mobile, alabama as he makes his way towards, wherever he is going to be delivering. in the middle of this crowd. >> what i was saying is i think huckabee has taken a lot of guff from conservatives, these tea party groups for not being in line with them. when he talks about it he talks in a conservative christian compassion that doesn't necessarily translate. whereas donald trump, he has a great line, when he is asked about cutting social security, he said we don't have to cuts iseses is if i'm president.

i am going to make the country so rich. >> exactly. why go around telling people -- here he is. trump check live begins now. we are at the ready. battle stations. >> thank you. that's so beautiful. [ cheers and applause ] you know, now i know how the great billy graham felt because this is the same feeling. we love billy graham. we love billy graham. you know, this all started -- we had a hotel and we were going to have 250, or 300 people and the hotel was great. they called and said something is happening here. we can't hold this. this is crazy what's going on. and then we went to the con venge center and they have 10,000 people and we are all set and excited and the next day they said too many people. we can't put them in. so we came here. we came here. [ cheers and applause ]

you know, today if you notice, we have a stock market not doing so well. we have a country not doing so well. we have been saying it for a long time. we have politicians other than a few politicians that are with us tonight, right? we'll exclude them. but we have politicians that don't have a clue. they are all talk. they are no action. what's happening to this country is disgraceful. [ cheers and applause ] and you know when i announced i was running for president, i brought up the subject of illegal immigration. and i took a lot of heat, that i can tell you. rush limbaugh actually said incoming, he got more incoming than anyone i have ever seen and two weeks later everyone was apologizing to me.

they saw i was right. between what happened in san francisco to incredible kate and her family, such an incredible family and jameel and so many people have been so badly hurt. the other day in california, last week, a woman, 66 years old, a veteran was killed, raped, sodomized, tortured and killed by an illegal immigrant. we have to do it. we have to do something. we have to do something. [ cheers and applause ] so we're going to talk. we're going to have a lot of fun. the weather is a little dicey. that's okay. who cares if it rains, right? [ cheers and applause ] right? you know, if it rains, i'll take off my hat and i'll prove -- i'll prove i'll prove once and for all it's mine. okay? so, we're going to talk about a

lot of different subjects and, you know, it's nice. friday night, what the heck, right? what's better? what's better? [ cheers and applause ] what people. the people that built this country. that's what we have here. i mean the people that built the country. great people. so, we'll start with a little talk on the illegal immigration, what's going on. we have to stop it. we're going to bald wauild a wa. it's going to be -- [ cheers and applause ] >> it's amazing. the politicians ten, 15 years ago, they all wanted a wall, but it never went. never happened because somebody didn't want a wall, probably a lobbyist. all of these guys like bush and like hillary clinton, they are all taking care of -- i don't know if you know [ booing ]

no, but when hillary has $60 million and when jeb bush -- when jeb bush who's totally in favor of common core, weak on immigration, very weak on immigration. wants to let people come in. although now he is using anchor baby. he put out a memo. you cannot use anchor baby. now because i used it, he's using it. politicians. but when they have in his case $114 million. in hillary's case she has 60. i don't know that she will make it to the gate. what do you think? i'm not sure she's making it to the gate. some bad things came out today. you know, those classified. you know the word "classified." you know they have destroyed general petraeus over less. and nothing seems to be happening here. so it will be very interesting

to see what happens ultimately, but we have right now, and i just got these numbers today. i said what are they? 7 1/2% of all of the births in this country are illegal immigrants. okay. can't afford it. and they are supposed to stay. i turned out to be right. the 14th amendment -- i had these guys telling me you can't change the 14th amendment. on that i agree. but you know what, an act of congress. the 14th amendment, i was right on it. you can do something with it and you can do something fast. you can do something fast. [ cheers and applause ] >> let's just be clear about the 14th amendment here. a theory developed in fringe circles recently that some statutory could happen to the 14th amendment but the vast majority of constitutional scholars said the words in the

constitution granting citizenship at birth to anyone born here are exactly what they are and can only be repealed with a constitutional amendment. >> it doesn't work that way. mexico doesn't do it. over places don't do it. very few places do it. we're the only place just about that is stupid enough to do it. [ cheers and applause ] so, i decided to run. i have gotten an amazing reception. i have to say. has this been crazy? [ cheers and applause ] . man, i mean, it's been wild. i'm a nonpolitician. the other day i served jury duty. right? i told you, hey haddock passion. i refused to put down politician. but i will say this, we have a great politician here. we have a man here who really helped me. he's the one person i sought his

counsel because he's been so spot on. he's so highly respected. has anyone ever heard of senator jeff sessions? huh? jeff, come up. where's jeff? get over here, jeff. look at him. he's like 20 years old. >> senator jeff sessions of alabama, who's probably one of the most sternly militantly anti-immigration members of the united states senate led the opposition to that comprehensive immigration reform bill that passed with about 70 votes also helped -- that looks like jeff sessions making an endorsement i have to say. that's big news. i don't think there is a single elected republican who has endorsed trump yet. that is what this looks like right now. let's listen to senator sessions. >> the american people -- these people want somebody in the presidency who stands up for them. [ cheers and applause ]

defends their interest and the laws and traditions of this country. we welcome you here. thank you for the work you have put in to the immigration issue. i'm really impressed with your plan. i know it will make a difference. and this crowd shows a lot of people agree with that. congratulations. [ cheers and applause ] welcome and god bless. >> thank you, jeff. >> just a quick correction. trump said no one in the world offers birthright citizenship. it's not true. almost every country in the western hemisphere in the world offers birthright citizenship. no countries in europe do. it is a western eastern hemisphere vibe but we are not alone. >> including alabama. we're leading in florida. can you believe it? we're leading big in florida.

and you know it's really amazing. i said, well, i love florida, it is a great place, right, great. but florida -- we have a governor and we have sitting senator and i'm killing them. explain that. obviously they are not doing a very good job because that shouldn't be happening. but we're winning in florida, pennsylvania, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, north carolina, texas and then nationally, we're just absolutely way ahead of everybody else. in fact, if this were another country, we could maybe call for an expedited election, right? i'd love one. can we do that? can we do that? i'd like to have the election tomorrow. i don't want to wait. [ cheers and applause ] so, the reason that i think we see this receptivity is that i

know the game better than anybody. i have been on the other side. i was totally establishment, hands millions of dollars. i was the fair haired boy. do i look fair haired? but i know the game. i understand it. and so many people have come up, lobbyists. i said i don't want money from lobbyists, but recently last week -- [ applause ] >> a man comes up who's a good guy. i know him. i said, i don't want your money. i don't want your money. because -- i don't know i will rethink it. should i rethink it, take it, take it. you know what i should do, how about this? how about i take his money but in the end i screw him and not do anything for him, can i do that? you know, i built a great

business and i feel sort of stupid. i say i don't want your money. can i take it, please. i promise i won't do anything for him. i told him, i said, you know i don't want your money because in two years when you come to see me about something i'm not doing it unless it is good and going to make america great again. right? right? but i'm going to have to rethink it. i'm going to rethink that because i think i should take a lot of money -- are we allowed to give it to charity or something. i don't know. just take it. just take it. so what happens is these guys come up and i'm lucky -- you know, everybody said he's never going to run. okay. you know that, right? and my wife actually said, you know if you -- she knows me pretty well and also sees the reaction and for a long time whether it is trump "the art of the deal" which obama and kerry obviously did not read when they did this crazy deal with iran --

oh, look. "the arlt art of the deal. i love that book. give me that book. i said the other day, it played pretty well. that is the second -- help her over here. help her over here. that is my -- give me that book. give me that. there's always "the art of the deal." that's the real one. that's the original. that's one they used real paper, right? i said the other day because so many people they carry around "the art of the deal" because they are begging. they are begging their politicians, please, please read "the art of the deal" when you negotiate with china and japan and mexico and with vietnam and with saudi arabia and with everybody. you know, right now we have a problem where north korea is getting frisky, right? now, recently i ordered 4,000 television sets. i'd like to order them from here. like the hats are made in

america. can you believe i was able to find a guy? i had to do that because these hats are hot as a pistol. you know that. they are made in america. i'm going to give you your book. believe me, i haven't forgotten about you, but they are made in america but the other day and now i see today it is sort of pretty hot on the news that our very dear friend from north korea is acting a little rambunctious again. so i ordered 4,000 television sets from south korea. whether it is samsung, sharp or lg or any of them. they are all made in south korea. i paid a fortune. and they are wonderful, they are wonderful people. they are making a fortune. we don't -- do we have anybody who makes television sets in this country? i don't think so, right? so they are mostly made, other than sony, which has lost its

way prices are too high but they are mostly made in south korea. now i see north korea is acting up. so i see we are sending ships and getting our troops ready. we have 28,000 troops over there and getting ready just in case we're going to fight, we're going to protect. we get nothing. we get nothing. what do we get? we get nothing. saudi arabia and i get along great with all of them. they buy apartments from me, they spend 40, 50 million. am i supposed to dislike them? i like them very much but saudi arabia makes $1 billion a day. a day. in all fairness that's before the oil went down a little bit. but that's okay. these are minor details. so now they are making a half billion a day. that's not so bad, right? we get nothing. they wouldn't be there without our protection. even germany, germany is a power. who has a mercedes-benz? anyone? a lot of people. they are a power. they pay us nothing.

we defend the whole world. all you have to do -- we want to be nice. somebody said, oh, that's like the mafia defense. i said don't worry about it, okay. the mafia is not so stupid, all right. they said that is terrible to ask for money. no, they said it. they said that's terrible. how can you possibly ask for money to defend a country? i mean tell me, how crazy are we? now we're sending our ships, we're sending our everything. i will tell you those 28,000 troops that we have on the board er between north and south korea, that's dangerous territory. they are in harm's way. they are in harm's way. and we get nothing. we get nothing other than they are a good competitor. they compete with us. they take our trade. we lose a fortune with them. we lose a fortune with china. we defend japan. we have an agreement with japan where if somebody attacks japan we have to come to their rescue, but if we get attacked japan doesn't have to help us. do you think that is a good

deal? that is sort of like sergeant berg d.a. has anyone heard of sergeant bergdahl? the traitor, no, no, the traitor. i call president the five for one president. we get sergeant bergdahl, a traitor who six people, at least, that we know of, six people were killed trying to get this buy back. six people, they went after him. they wanted to get him back. so we get sergeant bergdahl and they get five people -- >> just so we're clear here, sergeant bergdahl is not being prosecuted for trn tree on, he is prosed for desertion. they plan to present no evidence that six people died looking for sergeant bergdahl. that is a claim that donald trump said the other day. >> you saw it. every time i go on television it has to be live. it is live. i said, oh, can i have a rest, please? tonight it is live on fox.

who likes fox? i like fox. [ cheers and applause ] it's live on cnn. who likes cnn? all right. and it's -- and it's live on msnbc, right? well, they are still working with. they are still working. how come it has to be live. why don't they cover me like anyone else. every time i speak it has to be live. it is ridiculous but it's okay. we have to suffer with it. but look, the reason i have this really incredible enthusiasm and i really appreciate -- especially with this weather and heat and everything else but the reason i have it is because i do know what i'm doing. i don't say that in a brag doeshs way. you people are looking for somebody who knows what he is doing, whatever it is. [ cheers and applause ]

you know, you know -- thank you, darlings. i'm going to sign her book. i have to get her the hell out of here. she's so beautiful. i said it the other night, my second favorite book of all time. what's my first favorite book? the bible. the bible. and as much as i love "the art of the deal" it's not even close. we take the bible all the way, right? okay. thanks. so, i was saying. so they said i wasn't going to run. everybody said he's never going to run. never going to run. he's just having fun. just a good time. his brand, like i care about my brand at this point. at this point, you know, my brand. i mean, i lose gutless macy's because i said about illegal

immigration. they dropped my brand -- they are gutless. they are all gutless. i have to sue univision. my poor miss universe people, these beautiful women with, some are girls but beautiful women and i get dropped by, think of it -- you have these magnificent women that work all their life to be in the miss usa contest and two weeks before the contest nbc and univision drop because they thought my tone was a little bit strong. and it turned out i was right. so here's the good news, i sued them both. [ cheers and applause ] and i mean in the case of univision, i sued them for $500 million. i want that money. i want that money. so i actually put it on the other day, miss usa i put it on because it was only fair to the people and we had it on a small network and it was fine but who

would do that all because they want to be so politically correct. they actually called and said, oh, we will get it back on soon. we will get it back on soon. in a case of a couple, they said trump loses nascar. it was all over the world. a friend of mine called because i opened with a strong statement, meaning illegal immigration. we have to solve the problem. so all one day it was nascar, trump loses nascar. i said i don't have a deal with nascar. it turned out that i lost nascar. you know what they did, they rented a ballroom at trump doral. that was my lawsuit. they had a ballroom. by the way, i kept their deposit and rented it to somebody else. the next day, i didn't even know i had a deal with them. it turned out i had a ballroom in one of my places, doral. the next day espn severs ties with trump, it's all over the world. espn. i had friend call me from paris.

it is too bad about what happened to espn. it is a golf outing at one of my courses. this is all over the world. the press -- i don't know maybe they didn't get it. maybe they don't get it. i was disappointed with macy's. sure it is ties and not a big deal but they heard there would be three pickets in front of the store, oh, we're going to have pick pickets. i said in two hours they will be gone. they will go for lunch and not be back. i have been through it. it is true. they said oh, this is so bad. can we sever ties. i said i don't care, sever ties. i don't wear them much anymore. i don't like the ties much any way because they were made in china. it always drove me nuts but they were good. >> that is donald trump doing the going in on macy's part of the speech, snard the republican primary getting tens of thousands of people there to cheer him suing people that backed out of deals with him.

pretty much through the looking glass. we will take a break and come back. more with the trump check live. do not go anywhere.

>> when jeb bush who's in favor of common core, weak on immigration, right? very weak on immigration wants to let people come in. although now he is using anchor baby. he put out a memo, you can not use anchor baby. now because i used it, he's using it. >> joining me is the senior political writer for buzzfeed. first of all, i want to -- in terms of how we set this up, the pandering thing. i love you guys in alabama. bring the woman up with the book. like this is all -- you guys like fox, yeah, we like fox. he starts out. first line is billy graham, billy graham. one of the greatest preachers.

one of the greatest. i mean -- >> look, everything we said tonight is, i think he's bearing out. and even building on, right? the most impressive thing he's doing tonight is showing that channelling his winnerness, his entire brand which is built on being a tough guy bully who beats people to a pulp, right? >> and screws people, that's the other thing. >> in fact you heard him say, this guy, this lobbyist tried to give me $5 million and i said, i shouldn't have taken it. maybe i should take it and screw him and the crowd loves that. >> crowd goes nuts. >> he is saying i am like this. i will do it what i have done my whole life and i will do it against all these countries to everyone screwing you right now. >> everything he has done is what a politician would do.

she unfettered pandering right now and taking the republican message, a simple, crisp, easy to understand message and he has taken it to a higher level. >> or a lower level of lack of -- >> right. >> the thing about politicians, that was a big moment. jeff sessions comes out. puts on the hat for a second and takes it off. realizing what he had just done. >> thought about it. >> jeff sessions, it appears just endorsed donald trump. that's the first republican elected to endorse him as far as i can tell. >> he excited about the idea of getting rid of birthright citizenship for jeff sessions. that's his pay back. i think it has to be said that trump is just delivering the sub text. all the other stuff that the republicans say at the end of the day can be boiled down to are you going to be tough? are you going to make those people pay? are you going to be muscular in some fashion?

so, i think -- >> toughness sells. >> this is about looking at who the republican party is. it is about trump but only to the extent that he is a mirror and that is what he keeps doing, mirroring. >> we will have a special guest in a bit to respond to donald trump who is still going down there in mobile, alabama. mckay coppins, michelle, thank you for joining us.

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>> when mexico sends its people, they are not sending their best. they are sending people that have a lot of problems. they are bringing drugs. they are bringing crime. >> i'm an undocumented immigrant. i was about 14 when i crossed the border. >> joining me now, the man in the video, ricardo, you work in trump's soho building. >> i technically don't work for the trump hotel but work for the restaurant. >> that is housed. >> leases space in the building and i have to go in there and look at his name up there and have to work. >> you came here, how old were you came? >> i was 14 when we crossed the board er. arrived in arizona and came up here. >> what does it feel like to watch this phenomenon happen. he says that mexico is sending rapists and criminals. that people like yourself, who is a beneficiary of doca, he wants to deport you. probably wants to deport your family, your friends, round up

everybody. >> at first it was a little shock. he's a celebrity. so you kind of like in a way grew up watching miss universe because mexico participates. >> so you had warm feelings. >> no. at first it was shock and then angry. and for me my way of responding is not by attacking or offending someone that i personally don't know and never met in my life. for me i'm a photographer and wanted to respond doing a photo series in which i had my mexican community hold signs saying i'm not a criminal, i'm not a rapist or drug dealer many response to that and a friend of mine asked if he could fill me in on the process. >> what would you say, people who are his supporters feel strongly that people like yourself, you, your friends an family and your co-workers are taking over. you are coming over with ill intent. you are here to harm people or get welfare. what do you want to tell them?

>> i think my video purpose is to show my daily life i don't go around looking for crime, selling drugs or raping people i go to my job, from one job to the other and during my free time, if i can, i get to do what i love, which for me is photographing. >> you work two jobs. >> i work two jobs -- technically three and one is at a photo studio. >> so you work three jobs. >> yes, three jobs. >> what has it men for you to have the president have an executive order to have some semblance of legal status. >> more opportunities. now i don't have to get, paid under the table. i can have a social security number and get paid with a check. >> so you have come out the shadows. >> yes, i have finally come out of the shadows. now i have more opportunities. i can apply for a job anywhere. i can only dream as far as two years. ten years from now, i don't know

if i will be here because if this guy becomes the president he wants to deport me and 11 million other immigrants. >> is that a conversation happening in the kitchen where you are working, among family members? >> i don't think that anyone in the kitchen talks about it because they are shy about it. they don't follow politics much. but at the same time, i think they will be in fear if they were to lose their jobs or be deported. because what are we going to do? how will he send us back. >> what would it mean for you to have a president and donald trump, nempb the republican field as far as i can tell says they will repeal the executive order that granted you some semblance of legal authority. what does it mean for you. >> i would be unable to work. i would end up getting deported and then i will go back to mexico and my life is not there anymore. my life is over here. it will definitely be completely different and then i'll probably -- i wouldn't have a good life over there, as good as i have here because where i went

to school, this is where my family and friends are. >> thank you mvp. very much. takes some real guts. s that all in for now. >> thank you to you at home for joining us this friday. happy friday. we have been wondering all this time. for weeks and months now if anyone was going to be able to catch bernie. bernie sanders expected to be an asterisk in the 2016 presidential race when he started, right? until he started campaigning and actually started regularly turning out not just enormous crowds but crowds that were way, way, way bigger than anything any other democrat and any other republican could muster on the campaign trail. the first big one was 10,000 people that turned out in madison, wisconsin. people wrote it off, it is madison, wisconsin, this must be a madison specific is phenomenon.