"hardball" starts right now. ♪ in cold blood. this is "hardball." ♪ >> good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with the latest on the murder of two tv journalists this morning. an attack carried out live on air. here's what we know. the victims were alison parker, a 24-year-old reporter for wdbj in roanoke virginia, and adam ward, her 27-year-old cameraman, a third victim, vicki gardner, was shot and injured. the shooting occurred in the middle of a live shoot for the station's morning show just around 6:45 this morning. here's what happened just prior to the shooting. >> this is our community, and we want to come together, we want to share information that can help us grow and develop to

provide a better experience. we're seeing tourism. we want the people that come here to say -- >> just moments after that, a series of shots rang out and the camera dropped to the ground. the suspect has been identified as vester flanagan, also known as bryce williams, who worked for the same television station, but was fired two years ago. a screen grab from the camera as it dropped to the ground showed the killer appearing to aim his gun. here's where things got even more disturbing. someone tweeting from an account under the suspect's name, being very careful here, began sending messages about the killings. he made allegations about the victims and complained about mistreatment. he also posted a video, both on twitter and on a facebook account, showing the shooting from the murderer's perspective. msnbc will not show that video. in it, the killer walks up to the three victims during that live interview. they do not appear to see him. he lifts his gun, appears to

call miss parker an offensive term and opens fire right there. shortly before 11:30 this morning, virginia state police spotted the suspect. he sped away, crashed minutes later. shot himself and died later at the hospital. the franklin county sheriff was asked about a possible motive. >> he was a prior employee there. we're looking at all of those dimensions, what they may look like. but right now, there's not been a motive as per se. many of you have gotten a lot of the correspondence, e-mails that had been sent out. it's obvious that there was -- this gentleman was disturbed in some way of the way things had transpired at some point in his life. it would appear things were spiraling out of control. but we're still looking into that. >> i'm joined right now by adam reese who is in virginia, where the shooting occurred this morning. adam, what do we know about the suspect? >> reporter: chris, we're learning more about vester

flanagan as you just heard from the sheriff. disturbed, his life spiraling out of control. in and out of local tv stations over a number of years. he had serious anger issues. he was always looking for grievances, someone to say something to him so he could file a grievance. most recently here in roanoke, he had to be escorted out of the building when he was fired. he wrote a suicide note, a fax to abc news in new york, 23 pages. he calls it a suicide note for friends and family. he said in part, quote, the church shooting was the tipping point, but my anger has been building steadily. i've been a human powder keg for a while, just waiting to go boom. the sheriff this morning said he had worked with this crew, alison and adam, a number of times. most recently he had been live for the morning show when the schools opened. he was watching, himself, this morning when the shooting took place. he said he wasn't even sure what he was looking at.

he was just shocked when he heard the gun shots ring out. chris? >> thank you so much, adam reese. >> i'm joined by vice mayor of roanoke, also a psychiatrist. what do you make of this and what do you know about it that you can help us with this tragedy? >> it's clearly a tragedy, chris. another tragedy inflicted by a disturbed individual. our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of alison and adam and the whole community. we're a small community here and everybody's been impacted today by this senseless tragedy. and again, it can happen anywhere. today it happened in southwest virginia. >> was alison parker a figure that you all knew about? was she a popular news reporter, or was she just starting off? i don't know that yet. >> well, it was both. she's been here about a year.

clearly made a big impact quickly to our community. as a politician, i knew her, but she also did a lot of health reporting. i knew both of them through their professions. but they made a big impact on the community. they were engaged and involved in the community and had a huge, bright future ahead of them. they were young. so this is a great tragedy and i suspect most people in our community knew them, knew of them, or knew somebody that knew them well. so it's going to be a really difficult, sad time for our community, but we're a strong community and i feel confident we can pull through it. >> thanks so much, david. joined now by jim cavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge and msnbc analyst as well. and also founder of the threat assessment group and himself an fbi consultant. let me go to jim on this, jim cavanaugh. you look at the picture of her and we've watched the graphic so many times, we can't show it on

the air, we don't want to, but you see a young, attractive reporter with a great future ahead of her. she has a great relationship with her camera guy, they're a team. these are the positive bright lights of our business. and then you see a guy who's had nothing but bad news in his life, being kicked out of jobs, failed at jobs, everything going wrong in his life. but this is drama here and horror altogether. your thoughts about what it means psychologically? >> well, exactly. we rely in law enforcement on guys like dr. dietz, i remember him from the eric rudolph case, i was one of the commanders. he would advise on cases like that. they can give you a picture of the minds of these criminals so we can track them down. but clearly this guy, flanagan is the loser and he's taking the winners, the people he sees as the winners. they are successful in their life and he wants to be that, but he can't do it. and the doctor can maybe tell us more about what's in his mind, but he can't be successful. so he comes up with this plot,

this murderous plot, to show the world he's been wronged so many times in his life. and you know, chris, we've all been wronged in our life. every single person. so some of his complaints could be real. but many of them may be just fantasy. and his employers have said, there was no basis for it. so he couldn't handle life's normal setbacks. and here he comes into this murderous plot. gets a gun 65 days ago. he latches on to the charleston case and virginia tech, copying those things as his method for revenge. but there's a rubric of revenge that overlies this action here, and i'm sure it goes into deeper psychotic, you know, discussions that the doctor can give you. >> what do you make of the filming of all this horror? we have the pictures. it's done on live tv. maybe on purpose. he knew they were out there doing a live shoot.

he also knew he was going to come out there with his cell phone and film the whole thing. he wanted everybody -- we're not going to show it here. some networks may. he wanted everybody to see the act of murder. >> well, three things, chris. he's in the business. he was a reporter. he filmed things. he was an anchor in one of the stations. so he was in the news business. so that's a natural forum. second, it's just a technology revolution, everybody's filming everything. we're filming the police officers. police officers are filming us. everybody's filming everything. but the third thing, he wants that word out. he wants his side of the grievances out. he wants to put it out there and say, look, i was wronged and i had to do something. and this is the way it went. so he had a lot of reasons, i think technology will play in all our crimes going forward and the police are using it to track people down and criminals are using it to show their motivations. >> really strange. anyway, wdbj's general manager

said today that vester flanagan, the shooting here, was fired two years ago from the station. let's listen to him. >> vester was an unhappy man. he -- we employed him as a reporter and he had some talent in that respect and some experience, although he's been out of the business for a while when he was hired here. he quickly became -- gathered a reputation as someone who was difficult to work with. he was sort of looking out for people to say things that he could take offense to. he -- and eventually after many incidents of his anger coming to the fore, we dismissed him. and he did not take that well. we had to call the police to escort him from the building.

>> let's go to dr. park dietz here. thank you, jim cavanaugh. what do you make of it, just looking at this set-up here? very attractive reporter gunned down on live tv, while she's doing a report with her cameraman, who is also killed by a guy who has been described as an disgruntled employee. >> my take on this, this is a workplace violence incident that resembles many others over the decades. we already know that this guy had six of the 12 warning signs of this kind of crime. he was angry, he was paranoid, he was suicidal, he blamed others for his problems. he had a history of unreasonable grievances and lawsuits. and he was talking about other killers with multiple target victims. so he is not unique in any of those respects at all. what makes him unusual is that he is on the cusp of the

technological revolution that jim was just talking about. and so he's able to send out press releases through twitter and through facebook essentially and to provide some footage that he hopes is going to memorialize his actions. >> does he think he's going to be around to enjoy that celebrity? what delusion is at work there? he's not alive, he's dead. >> it's not necessarily a delusion. but many people who are suicidal, have the belief they're going to be able to watch what unfolds after their death. and that can be a religious belief. now, this fellow also gives some clues that maybe he was psychotic. he was talking about jehovah ordering him to do it. his writings are described as rambling. and he has been so dogged in his collection of injustices and grievances and so overinclusive in that that i wouldn't be surprised if he had a paranoid

psychosis. >> so many people meet the description you've given us, disgruntl disgruntled, bad luck at work, things aren't working out in life for them. they see successful people, they envy them. but they take it in the gut and move on. what separates a person who takes it as part of life and the person who says, no, i'm going to kill everybody? >> one of the features that differentiates them is that normal people are flexible. they're adaptable. they're capable of rolling with the punches. not everyone has that. likewise, people who are sober are able to adapt better than people who misuse substances. likewise, people who have friends and family and social support adapt better than people who are loners. we don't know all the risk factors for this guy, but he sure had too many of them. >> in my own experience, i've thought the boozers out there tend to be the worst begrudgers

of other people's successes. thanks so much for your expertise. coming up, new apologies, donald trump doesn't stand down from his feud with fox news, and relishes in his confrontation with univision's jorge ramos. a new report says he's telling top republicans he doesn't plan on running third-party. >> and amy klobuchar will be here to weigh in on the nuclear deal with iran. plus, speculation growing about a joe biden presidential run as bill clinton is agitated by the prospect. will the vice president or won't he jump into the race? finally, let me finish with something really important. this agreement from iran to keep it from a nuclear weapon. this is "hardball," the place for politics. he'll have his very own personal assistant. and this guy won't just surf the web. he'll touch it. scribble on it. and share it.

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>> is there anyone on stage, and can i see hands, who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the republican party, and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. mr. trump, you're not going to make the pledge tonight? >> i will not make the pledge at this time. >> okay, all right. >> welcome back to "hardball." that moment was the big headline on debate night. for months now, trump has

threatened the republican party with a doom's day scenario of running third-party himself if he isn't treated as he put it, fairly. that would split the vote with the republican nominee and hand the election to probably hillary clinton. but tonight, there are signs that trump is thinking victory, not spoiler. late today, the huffington post reported that donald trump has told several top republicans that he will swear off the possibility of an independent bid and run under the party's banner, according to several sources. we reached out to the trump campaign. they had no comment. does trump believe he can win it all, perhaps the presidency? excuse me, joy, we have to start with the guy who's got it. let's go with it. what do you got? >> he's telling top republicans in the party -- >> how do you know? >> they told us. >> they told you? so you have direct first hand that he has said that? >> right.

>> so why doesn't he say it publicly? why isn't he trumpeting that fact? >> he's telling them he's going to do it. i think they pushed it out because they're trying to get him to do it as quickly as possible. hugh hewitt asked him about the report today and he said, i wasn't ready to do it during the debate. i talked to steve wynn and he told me the same thing, that i ought to forego this. he said i do want to forego this. he edged almost all the way up to saying it publicly. >> late today donald trump spoke about swearing off a third-party run on hugh hewitt's radio show. >> i will say that the rnc and the republican party, i think i've been treated very fairly over the last period of time, yes. >> so are you ruling out a third-party run? >> well, it's not something i'd want to do. at some point i'll totally commit. i didn't think it was appropriate to commit during the debate. >> is somebody dating him, like we'll get there to third base

sometime, but not tonight. what is this tease about? >> i think it's a recognition on the part of donald trump and his campaign that they do have dam cleez hanging over the republican party, because a lot of trump supporters are more passionate about being trump supporters than about being republicans. you witness the zeal with which they went after trusted republican media figures like megyn kelly and erick erickson. they chose trump over them in a heartbeat. i think trump understands he's got to get those people back into a primary, because these are closed primaries for the most part if he's serious about running. he's going to have to get them back into a process to put numbers on the scoreboard. >> i was reading in the

newspaper today, "the times" or the post. virginia already has a sore loser law, you run in the republican primary, if you lose, you can't go run third-party. so there's statutes out there fighting him. he can't just play the game here. >> but nobody thinks he was going to win as an independent. as an independent he's a spoiler. >> i mean, get on the ballot. >> so he wouldn't spoil in virginia, but if he ran nationally, he could still spoil -- >> why would he do that? >> he's not going to. i think people realize he's not going to, but he wanted to keep -- >> let's go to the positive side. two theories right now about why he's changing his message here. start with you, you reported the story. one is just to keep the ball in the air. and this is like keeping the beach ball in the air, some sort of volleyball game or something. keep the ball in the air, every couple days he does something news worthy, repicks the fight with megyn kelly, he's got to keep living off the land. the other one, he's decided he

can win this darn thing. when is it? win the nomination? >> i think it's all those things, plus pressure not just from gop elites, but he hears it on the campaign trails, i'd love to support you, i don't think you support the republican party. he heard it from hugh hewitt earlier, he battered him over this issue. saying people like me are not going to support you until you take this step. and i think he feels like he's at 30-plus percent. now is the right time and move and maybe he'll push himself up into 40. maybe he can win the thing. >> isn't this a great world we live in? you live in a world where a guy go to vegas and talks to -- this time steve wynn. why do they go to the casino guys to find out how the country should be run? it's outrageous. mitt romney out there kissing his butt last time around, remember? adelson, the other casino guy.

what is it about the gambling mecca that seems to attract the best thinking in the republican party these days? >> i don't know. >> it's crazy that it's happening. >> and all their bets right now are not very good. they seem to be betting on establishment candidates. i think the establishment is used to letting the base play and then imposing the candidate of their choosing. but who would know more about the average guy than a guy from a reality tv show? so trump sort of gets it more than they do. and i think the first of your scenarios is incidental. i think trump is a meggalo maniac, i think he's convinced himself he can be president. and i think what he's telling the rnc is a threat. okay, i'll commit, but you better be nice to me. fox news better be nice to me. everybody better be nice to me. and i bet it will work. >> trump looking for a poll boost. he leads nationally by the way in the latest cnn poll, he polls at 24%, leading bush by 11.

in he's eight point out of dr. ben carson. in new hampshire, a recent bowl by the boston herald had him 18 points ahead of jeb bush. a new poll has him soaring up to 30%, 15 points ahead of ben carson. i have to think that what's happening to this guy, he's realized, he once told me, and it wasn't off the record, he wasn't going into this thing to commit suicide. he was going to test the waters, but he was ready to pull out if it wasn't working. well, it is working. whatever you say about his ration rationalality, there's no evidence the guys are up to the task. he thinks faster, he adjusts, when he knew he overstepped his bounds with the fellow from univision. when he made him look like the troll out there. he said, wait a minute, on his feet, he goes, let him back in here, we'll have lunch. he seems to be able to regulate himself and most politicians are

not that flexible, not that smart or nimble. he is nimble. >> and he's been performing and perfecting his act for 30 years. >> also decided to keep the heat on megyn kelly. why keep the heat on megyn kelly who everybody likes, i think, and go after another guy and sort of rough it up with a guy? is this this macho, we'll go to the fist cuffs? what is it about ramos? >> i think it's all part of this world view of donald trump, which is that he's taking us back to america where a man is a man and a woman better sit down and be pretty and be quiet. he's going after megyn kelly for the same reason his supporters don't like her? she is supposed to be pretty and quiet. >> she never got the message. >> she's a journalist. she's done nothing to him. and on the jorge ramos attack, he's going right to his base. that's why they like him. they like the idea that he

throws the hispanic guy out of his press conference. >> before he threw him out, he said, go back to univision. i'm of the belief it's rational. you think it's megalomania. narrow your list. anyway, thank you. hope you're right. up next, amy klobuchar of minnesota is going to join us. this is "hardball," the place for politics. the iconic navigator... and get a first look at the entirely new 2016 mid-size utility lincoln mkx. during the final days of the lincoln summer invitation get your choice of mkc, mkz or mkz hybrid for $369 a month with zero due at signing. more and more people with type 2 diabetes are learning about long-acting levemir®. as my diabetes changed, it got harder to control my blood sugar.

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those that just stand alone and make a speech. courage is going to be in the hands of those who are willing to stand next to someone they don't always agree with for the betterment of this country. >> welcome back to "hardball," that was amy klobuchar winning re-election in 2012. she was first elected in 2006, becoming the first woman elected to the senate from minnesota. she's become a national figure, frequently mentioned as a possible president or vice presidential candidate in the future. she's out with a memoir called the senator next door, where she writes about her upbringing all the way to the united states senate. thank you so much. you have a wonderful personality. i know that sounds superficial, but i think it's important. the senator next door, you seem to know that you come across as somebody who grew up as the girl next door to become a senator later in your career. how do you keep it together?

stay informal with the obvious formality of the office? >> it's important to keep grounded. my husband and daughter helps. my daughter said to me one day, you're not a helicopter mom. you're a submarine mom. i said that sounds tough and cool. and she said not really. you lurk beneath the surface and come up unexpectedly. part of this book is about you do your best. my dad struggled with alcoholism for years. he was a columnist for the newspaper. my parents divorced growing up. going to schools where i had never met anyone on the entire east coast. but i made this case that you want to have normal people with regular backgrounds running for hospital and in congress and you want to have people that go to represent their neighbors. that's why i called it "the senator next door." >> isn't it amazing how many

kids of alcoholics have done so well? bill clinton and ronald reagan. what is it, do you think? >> first of all, my dad's recovered. he's very happy at age 87, married happily for the third time, but i think what it is, i actually devoted time to it in the book. i think being the kid of an alcoholic, means for me, first of all, i don't like lies. you think about things that you grew up with, and i have aversion to that. and the second thing is, it means you try to fix everything. and that's why i think you see a lot of kids of alcoholics going into government, because they grew up trying to fix things, trying to make things better, trying to take the keys away from my dad when i'm 17, and see him drinking out of the trunk of the car and i don't want him to drive 300 miles and we don't speak for four hours. those are things that happened to kids of alcoholics. in my case, it has a happy ending, of redemption and that

was a story i wanted to tell. >> you are great. you really are. let me ask you about the stories in your book. a lot of us looked up to ted kennedy a lot. you talk about what it was like to be in a capital old hide-aways that nobody gets to see but the senators. what was it like on the late-night votes, and teddy kennedy, the old lion? >> he was amazing. he would talk to -- he bring people in and they would leave messages, his staff on your phone that said, the lantern is lit. and that means head over to his hide-away, and he'd have a group of people there. we'd have some wine and he would tell these incredible stories from the past about his brother. and you know, he loved the senate, which you know, chris, as well as anyone. but he also worked across the aisle. and you hear the stories from orrin hatch or mikensy about how he would look for common ground and i talk about that in the

book, and i used some examples of how it's still happening today. >> what is the trick that's been lost? you disagree with people from different parties, but you're in the same country and bottom line, when your careers are over with, you'll still be more american than anything else hopefully. what's the trick to making it work? >> i think the trick is seeing yourself in the other person's eyes. it's not necessarily moderation in terms of the middle of two points. david brooks has made this point recently. it's not necessarily your character. john mccain doesn't have a moderate character, but he's willing to look on immigration. to see me, look at where the other person is and find common ground. that's what ted kennedy did. he got to know the other person, got to like the other person and that way you can get things done. >> let me ask you about a profile in courage and i am taking sides on the iranian nuclear deal. it was tough, people are worried

about the state of israel and its precarious situation, but it's better than what we have right now. my view, how tough is that view for you and people like al franken who support it? >> first of all, i think you know the process was bipartisan so that everyone had time to look at it. i think it's important. because it's a tough call. i have deep respect for people that take the other view. but in the end, i decided that it's the best option for trying to put the brakes on iran having a nuclear weapon. and i do that with my eyes wide open. i know what this regime and the horror and the terrorism and also the things that have been said about israel. but the bottom line to me, we don't want them to have a nuclear weapon. with these intrusive inspections with the military option still on the table, i was glad the president made that clear. if you look at the chance there's a chance that iran's going to cheat, you'll know a

lot more about the three facilities having an agreement than not having an agreement and having the inspections. finally, chris, having talked to the ambassadors from those five countries, i'm pretty convinced russia and china would start doing business with them, iran would get a nuclear weapon, they're months away, and we will have splintered the coalition which is important to have a united force. those are the reasons i came down with a difficult decision. >> well said. amy klobuchar, one of the great people in the united states senate. up next, will he or won't he? speculation continues to ubl approximate up about a biden bid for the presidency. he looks bubbly. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. those who have served our nation. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. for the pres. he looks bubbly. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. he looks bub. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. for the pres. he looks bubbly. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. presidency. he looks bubbly. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.

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we're following breaking news out of louisiana where a police officer has reportedly been shot and two people stabbed allegedly by a man who's barricaded himself inside a mini mart in the town of sunset. the suspect who is now in police custody appears to have rammed a car into the mini mart before hiding inside. the stabbings reportedly took place at another location away from the mini mart. stay with msnbc for more on this developing story. >> the president has indicated his view that the decision that he made, i guess seven years ago now, to add joe biden to the ticket as his running mate, was the smartest decision he's ever made in politics. and i think that should give you some sense of the president's view of vice president biden's aptitude for the top job. >> welcome back to "hardball."

that was josh earnest praising vice president joe biden on monday of this week when asked about an emerging presidential run. it's not clear if biden is 100% in. according to politico, one former aide who remains part of the biden extended political family says he's not leaving one way or the other. that's helpful and glen thrush writes, to the annoyance of the clinton campaign -- thresh also rents that -- reports that bill clinton is agitated by the possibility of a biden bid. howard fineman, global editorial and director for the huffington post.

senior political reporter for nbc news. it's so exciting because i think the clintons are getting mad, it must be real. [ laughter ] it's a long reach of friends out there pushing it, but the press biting for it. it seems to bother bill that people like us are talking about it now. he's probably watching now. they're talking about this, i'll get them. what is it? i know there's fire there. is there smoke, is there fire? he really wants to run? but is it just smoke? >> i think there's a couple of things. there's no doubt that he wants to do it. >> we know that. >> there's also no doubt, at least according to the people close to joe biden that they think they can put together the mechanics. in other words, i was told yesterday, it's not about being able to put together a campaign, there are plenty of people out there, there's plenty of money out there, that's not it. the two things are what joe biden is feeling by the time he actually has to do it. and the family. and it's not just jill biden, his wife.

it's the whole family. this is -- that's what means everything to him. they've been through the terrible -- >> we don't know the vote. >> it's jill and hurnd biden and joe biden's sister valerie, who's been basically the manager of every one of his campaigns going back to '72. it's that group, plus his chief of staff and his pollster. that's the group. and i don't think they have reached a final decision. i was on the show monday, we got far out there saying, he's almost reached the point of no return. i got calls the next day, saying the thing about the meeting with the donors, that's not true. >> what about the one after labor day? >> yeah, they're dialing back. they're trying to say, wait a minute, nothing's decided. >> this is a long tease. i mean, how long can he sustain our interest in something where he says he's right there at the teetering point?

>> they think for a least a number of weeks going forward. two things. one is the clintons being upset or agitated by all this talk about a biden candidacy. it creates the narrative that hillary clinton is vulnerable. and uall the stories -- >> that's why they don't like it. i've known you for years and now i meet you. >> i had the same experience today. >> those are great front-page bylines. [ laughter ] >> i think we're undervaluing something here. we're talking about the first female president. i asked the biden group, who are your women surrogates? they named one iowa state rep i've never heard of before. i know joe biden is talking about his family too. he's got to find support in the democratic party. every female senator is for hillary. it's a big challenge. >> sometimes you just want to get -- ben stein wrote about

this years ago. he said, to win you got to get a seat at the table. bernstein made it working for the post. goldie hawn made it going to las vegas. biden may regret not getting to the ballot. >> the problem s that's not going to be known before he has to make an actual decision. >> he's got to go in with nothing protecting him. and how about playing defense, howard? >> he has to cover? >> yes. >> for example, on the issues, just to pick one, black lives matter is talking about mass incarceration. the disproportionate racial nature of imprisonment in the u.s. joe biden was the big architect and sponsor of the law that led to that trend. in terms of the family, it's a big family. >> all families have problems. >> i don't know if they're ready for the scrutiny. but i asked one of his people, well, how long does he need to

decide? i mean, what else does he need to know? and the answer to that, i think, is what else comes out of the pressure they feel in terms of family and also, how long, as carol was saying, how long they can wait to see just how vulnerable hillary is. unfortunately for joe biden, he can't wait until after the benghazi hearing. he's got to decide before that. >> or before the debate. >> so he's in by the late part of september probably, or out, right? >> they said end of summer. >> that's the 23rd of september. aren't we up to date on that stuff? [ laughter ] when we return, we'll get back to the shooting of the two journalists. this is a stark on-air tragedy that we've all become a part of by watching it. this is "hardball," the place for politics. the one on the left. now, to an airline, a 1% difference could save enough fuel to power hundreds of flights around the world. hey, look at that. pyramids. so you see, two things that are exactly the same

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if jublia is right for you. new larger size now available. we're back with the roundtable. howard, carol and perry. virginia governor said the tragic shooting today in his state is another example why it should be tougher to get a gun in our country. >> there are too many guns in the hands of people who should not have guns. this is why i have long advocated for back ground checks. there is too much gun violence in the united states of america. >> and catch this on. a campaign trip, hillary clinton said she is in favor of stronger gun control measures including universal back ground checks. >> we've got to do something about gun violence in america. and i will take it on.

there are many people who face it and know it but then turn away because it is hard. it's a very political, difficult issue in america. >> it's a solid performance on a very tragic day. >> in his home state, jeb bush was asked by report betters the murders and had this, if you want to call it that, response. >> it's a tragedy. i don't have enough details to determine what the reason for all this was. i can't -- i don't know. it is clearly a tragedy when you have -- in a free society. >> governor, how concerned are you -- >> that's exactly what his campaign has seemed like. out to lunch. out to lunch. >> did he take a photo with somebody? >> he didn't understand the

stark nature. we're talking about two people killed on national television, we're all seeing it tonight. learn what's going. on don't face cameras until you know what's going to and then act like a grown-up. >> it was a very different response from hillary clinton. >> she was perfect. >> this is a tough issue for republicans. there are obvious ways to express condolences and address a tragedy. >> you can't discuss policy. >> when you vent entire the policy debate, it is a very tough space for republicans which is why -- >> pat toomey could well win the election because ted guts to talk about back ground checks. >> on guns it age liberal. >> jeb bush, that's a heard view for him. i think for secretary clinton, i would like to hear from her. what is your detailed plan to deal with gun violence in the country? the democrats have more of a responsibility on this to have

some, agenda as opposed to talking points. >> guns don't kill people. people do. that's consistent with nra slogan for years. >> when hillary is promising to be tough, that's believable. that's who hillary is. >> she speaks softly like that. a very calm point. carries tremendous strength. thank you. always, howard fineman as always, brilliant. and it's great to meet you. you are a-1. perry, you're with us. when we return, let me finish with something really important. this agreement with iran. if you have moderate to severe

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let me finish with something really important. this agreement with iran to keep it from a nuclear weapon. some are asking now for president obama to commit the united states to bombing iran if it appears to be heading toward weaponizing 15 years from now. they wabl him to give israel a 30,000 pound bomb, able to destroy even the most deeply buried nuclear facility. what is the purpose of these demands? to end sure the commit. is carried out in good faith to to have a better relationship with iran down the road? really? we're committing ourselves to an attack at this point, in effect putting a gun to iraq's head.

would giving israel the bomb and giving president benjamin netanyahu the discretion on when to use it? the first demand is absurd on its face. there is clearly no way president obama can lock if an act of war foerp administrations from now. what possible influence would this president's words have on a president in the year 2030? really. think about it. the real impact of barack obama ferm forced into making such a commitment now would be on those currentfully power in iran. he would be an armed threat. he would be telling the ayatollahs, i have a gun to your head. why would any peace loving person want to light it now 15 years in advance? and how would giving over a state-of-the-art, 30,000 pound bomb, a bunker buster to prime minister benjamin netanyahu now along with the means to deliver it in any way improve an agreement? no one says this deal struck by the leading countries of the world is perfect. one things undeniably true. and we've learned it from recent

polling. the more people understand the deal, the more they grasp the controls it does place on iran and the more they support it. that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> they're going to be so miss asked not easily replaced. >> two journalists murdered on live television by an exemployee of the station. >> he quickly became, gathered a reputation as someone who was difficult to work with. >> tonight, condemnation for the atrocity and calls to action. >> we've got to do something about gun violence in america. then here's scott walker on china now. >> we should be taking them to the wood shed. >> and here's scott walk order chinese state tv in 2012. >> almost $1.4 billion of exports from wisconsin to china. that's a