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tonight on "lockup: world tour" -- >> i slashed people. >> -- we meet a killer with a sadistic streak. >> what do you do with fires? >> and the interview takes a startling turn. violence erupts inside a maximum security prison in belgium. >> he's a crazy man, a murderer, but i'm not scared, you know?
>> but in this prison when tensions rise, inmates can cool off in the sex room. >> two hours for sex. to americans, it's a country best known for chocolate, waffles and beer, belgium. roughly the size of maryland, it's considered to be one of the safest nations in europe. but criminals do exist here. and the most hard core can be
found 50 miles east of brussels in the town of hasselt. it houses 470 men and, in a separate unit, 30 women. >> this is unique. the other prisons in this country, they are old prisons. they are more than 100 years, 150 years old and have a culture. bad or good culture but they always have a culture. we started from zero. >> as the nation's newest high security prison, hasselt employs a wide array of technology to manage inmates. but many of the prison policies are nothing at all like we've ever seen in the u.s. from 9:00 at night until 6:30 in the morning, correctional officers are not allowed to go inside cells without special permission from the director. >> at 9:00 they are locked in the cells. they collect the keys and can you not go in the cells. >> why?
>> that's the rules here. >> what do you think goes on behind these doors? >> i don't know and i don't want to know. but when you go out, make your checks, you can sometimes smell the weed. the only thing can you do is the day after get a complete checkup of the cell. but most of the time you don't find anything. >> but that's not the only unusual security policy. while american correctional officers who have close contact with inmates don't carry guns, hasselt officers carry less. >> none of the staff have any weapons no, pepper spray, no batons? >> the only equipment we carry are our keys and the cell phone, that's about it. but if necessary, we can get plastic shields, batons, the restraints, chains, protective helmets. i don't even think i ever wore a helmet.
>> male inmates considered to be the greatest threat are segregated in their own unit, section 20. >> when they are -- when they use a lot of drugs, when they are aggressive, when they're risk for escaping, then they come to section 20. >> burack ersen is a section 20 inmate. >> they say that i put a man through the window like this. >> in a wheelchair? >> in a wheel chair, yes. >> unlike most high-security units in american prisons where inmates are locked in cells 23 hours a day, burack and other section 20 inmates are given access to common areas. but less than 24 hours after our arrival, a fight breaks out between two inmates. surveillance footage would later reveal that burack ersen, shown
speaking on a pay phone, was one of the participants. he's suddenly approached by another inmate who has just picked up supplies and food from the prison canteen and just seconds later they take each other to the ground. correctional officers swarm the two men and take burack into custody, while the other inmate picks up his supplies and leaves the scene. burack will be confined to this stripped down isolation cell until he attends a disciplinary hearing for the fight. >> we went to interview burack in his isolation cell a few minutes after this fight, he was very upset. he felt he was being treated as the perpetrator when in fact he was actually the victim. >> i was talking to my mother, everything okay, da, da, da, and he say i want to talk, i will kick you, beat you.
i said what, you want to fight? come on. >> barack's opponent is a violent repeat offender currently awaiting trial for manslaughter. he says burack started the fight. >> he jumped you? what happened? >> jumped, yeah. it was over -- it was not a real fight. >> unlike burack, erik was sent back to his regular cell and not placed under any new restrictions. burack claims erik receives special treatment from the prison. >> you know ex-commando. he's a crazy man, a murderer, you know? but i'm not scared, you know? [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. you want to fight? i say i will kill you. hey. and i am sitting here and he is in his cell. >> erik is in fact a former paratrooper but burack says he
got the better of him in the fight. >> first he got me but i turned him around and i got him good but the sheriffs all catch me and took me off him. touch him with one finger, him. why? you fight with two, you don't fight alone. you know what i mean? >> do you have a lot of influence? >> yeah. >> next on "lockup: world tour" -- >> two hours for sex. >> -- inside the sex room. and burack's disciplinary hearing goes from bad to worse. >> i need to --
the security system is as technologically advanced as any we've ever profiled on "lockup." >> it's a very secure place where no prisoners may go. we watch everything. that's our security. for the moment we have no escapes in this prison, but inmates probably think a lot about escaping. but the security is very high. >> preventing escape is a high priority at hasselt. that's why peter was transferred here two weeks ago. he was sentenced to five years for the armed robbery of three jewelry couriers and then boldly tried to cut that sentence short. >> i notice when you walk you have a limp. why? >> it was an accident when i escaped. there was construction going on in the prison.
so they had this letter and we run and jump over the fence. i actually made it out and i run and they catch me five, six kilometers in a little village called wharton and from then they move me to this prison. >> peter says his escape was motivated by the pressures of being a parent to four young children. >> before they were going on the soccer team. now they cannot go because there is no one to take them there and there are some complications with little children, you know. >> in the united states an escape attempt usually leads to more time in prison. but it's a very different story in belgium. >> it's the law that says the fact of escaping is not a crime, but they can do another crime. for example, if they escape with the prison clothes, keeping those prison clothes is a crime, unless they send the clothes back and in the past we have
someone who escaped, jumping out of the window. after two, three days we get the clothes back washed and cleaned. soap he didn't make any crime. >> in accordance with belgian law, since peter committed no crimes during his escaped, he received no extra prison time once he was captured. >> it's a nice surprise. i don't like surprise but it's a nice surprise. >> peter's only punishment was a two-month stay in hasselt's high security unit, section 20. but it's all worked out for the best. he likes it here. >> it's better compared to the other ones. food here they give same way that they give in any belgian restaurant, any belgian traditional restaurant what they give, they give also here. same taste, same everything. >> i guess when you escape, they put new a better place, don't
try to run again. >> while peter might take comfort in a good meal, phillip find it is in the daily mail call. >> it's a letter from my girl friend. it's nice to have all day every day letter, you know. these are from june 2008 till now, you know. this one is the last one. you know. this is from the day before. we never have a day we didn't write, never. never. >> but when phillip mails his letters, they never travel outside the prison walls. his girl friend, connie, is also serving time at hasselt. >> 14 years together. >> while the hundreds of letters symbolize their love, ironically
it was a bonnie & clyde like robbery spree of post offices that brought them here. >> we are so close that we going together in hell, you know. we give our life for each other. >> since belgian post offices also offer banking services, they were the couple's prime target. >> i told her many times, i say, connie, you know, we have to be careful. it's bad luck to be caught, you know? she said, yeah, we have to stop. and then i say yes. and after i say, no, we need the money, you know. >> on their ninth robbery, they were not only caught, phillip accidentally shot himself in the leg trying to escape. but the pain was more than just physical. >> i failed to my promise to her, you know, to give her a better life. >> fortunately for connie and phillip they're incarcerated in a nation that understands the
power of love. the couple is allowed to see each other for an hour three times a week, but once a month they're allowed a very special visit. >> two hours for sex. that is different but nobody look. that's fine. >> in belgium they just cut to the chase. they call this room the sex room. and it was a very surprisingly lovely looking room, very large bathroom, very nice lighting in the bedroom, large sized bed, big sized bed, very neatly folded towels on the bed. and a little shocking, packets of condoms on the towels. >> the prisoners have a right to have private visit, but it's not only a sexual visit. prisoner can ask his father or his mother or his sister but mostly it is used as a sex room.
>> so what's going on now, phillip? what are you preparing for? >> to visit my wife intimately, you know? very nice. >> and the banana? >> to get power. >> happy? excited? >> happy, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> the things human need, you know. and if you love someone, you need your sex with her, you need to be alone for two hours, you know? >> coming up -- >> i want to fight with the commando, the ex-commando. they are scared. i know this. >> burack ersen seeks justice.
inside belgium's prison hasselt, inmate burack ersen has just spent his second night in an isolation cell. he's there for getting into a fight with another inmate. >> i'm the black sheep always. if there's ever anything, it's always me. >> this morning he will meet the prison's disciplinary committee to find out if there will be any further punishment. the inmate he fought, erik franzen, will also go before the disciplinary committee. but he seems no more concerned now than he was when he casually walked away from the fight as officers swarmed burack. >> what do you think is going to happen? are you worried? >> no, no. >> no?
>> prison officials claim that erik franzen is a well behaved inmate and it's only his violent reputation outside of prison that requires them to house him in section 20. >> with the police he has a very heavy reputation that he's a very heavy guy in the criminal environments. it is a reputation that follows him and he has a lot of crimes and it's often with guns. >> i'm 39 years old. i was before ten years in jail for armed robberies and then i go free and i come back for two years for a fight. and now i'm in jail, they think i killed somebody. >> under what circumstances did this person die? >> bullet in his head.
>> you fought that guy? >> yeah. they're scared of him and they put me here. why i would fight an ex-commando? why? they are scared. i know this. i'm here, he's not here, you know? he's in a cell. he's watching tv now, "sex and the city" maybe, you know? >> the two inmates will have separate hearings and eric's is held first. after the charges are read, officials ask to hear his side of the story and he responds in his native dutch.
>> a short time later burack is escorted to the hearing room and his outlook is less than hopeful. >> what's going on? they want to [ bleep ] me. always like this. >> when erik gave his account of the incident, he was very calm and very respectful in the disciplinary board. when burack came in to give his account, it was a very different story. he claimed erik was black mailing him and became very aggressive with the director.
personality, and he became more and more aggressive in the last few months, last few years? >> what happens now, burack? >> i don't know. they will give me penalty, i think. a good one. but i don't give a [ bleep ]. they think they are going to break me. [ bleep ]. >> a short time later the disciplinary committee reaches a decision. there will be no sanctions for erik but burack ersen will receive two additional days in isolation for being argumentive in the hearing and another month for the fight. we caught up with burack three days later after he was moved out of isolation and moved back to his section. he was in a much better mood. >> here, belgian chocolates. you know, if you want?
directly between glasgow and edinburgh scotland is shotts, the farming village that dots the isle's central interior. but just beyond grazing sheep is a much more foreboding presence. this is hmp, her majesty's prison, shotts, a maximum security prison that houses more than 500 of scotland's most violent prisoners. >> all the prisoners will be serving four years and offer. that means they've committed a serious crime. 52% of the prisoners here now are serving a life sentence.
most life sentences are given for murder. so we have a lot of murderers here. >> many of the men committed for murder here are in their 20s and claim drugs played a role in their crime. >> this man's crimes made headlines. >> so you were a drug dealer? >> a drug dealer, aye. a wee bit. >> but hutchison was a drug dealer with a sadistic streak. he's serving a 25 to life sentence for two murders, attempted murder, kidnapping and torture. >> how did those two people die? >> one fell off a bridge and the other one died. >> one fell off a bridge. would that be an accident? >> aye. >> what happened? >> fell off a bridge. >> were you there when he fell off the bridge? >> aye.
>> how'd the other one die? >> the other one just died, didn't he? he choked. >> on his food? >> no. >> so basically you threw somebody off a bridge and you choked somebody to death. >> aye. >> chris was very flippant when describing his crimes and he had this odd habit when there was a break in the interview of sort of half singing a song and belching. ♪ >> but as we probed deeper into his crimes, we soon learned that hutchison's murder victims were not the only ones who suffered. those who did not pay up on their drug debts often met especially sadistic consequences. >> how long have you held somebody hostage?
>> hours before. >> torturing them? >> on and off. >> what kind of tortures? >> just all sorts of tortures. nailing people's hands, nailing people to doors, hammers, nails, pliers. >> what do you do with pliers? >> all different things. all different things. >> one of the men hutchison murdered was his cousin. >> how did your cousin die? how was he murdered? >> choked him. >> with your hands? >> with a rope. >> did he know he was going to die is this. >> mm-hmm. gave him a choice. >> and he chose? >> he didn't choose.
>> it must have been pretty bad what he did. >> he wants us to stop. >> the interview is suddenly stopped by a shotts correctional officer providing security. >> it was one of the strangest experiences i've ever had filming in a prison, to have the officer interrupt an interview, take the inmate away and confer with him. i later found out in scotland the inmates actually have a very good chance of making parole and this officer was concerned that if chris became too descriptive in his crimes, it wouldn't bode well for him. >> when the interview resumes, hutchison discusses why he killed his cousin. >> my cousin and his dad came um on drugs so i he died in my arms and i loved him. so --
>> so that's what's created this very hard person i see now? >> i would say it was, aye. obviously that hurt me. it was my brother. i love my brother. still love him to this day. he died in my arms. >> at the time of the murder it was widely reported that hutchison had dismembered his cousin's body and even gouged out his eyes. >> and they say you took somebody's eyes out. >> i just took them out, so they say. >> and no regrets, no remorse? >> just something happened, didn't it? >> so what were you an enforcer or a tough drug dealer? >> just didn't take any [ bleep ].
of the 500 inmates of her majesty's prison shotts in scotland, more than half have been convicted of murder. according to a united nations study, scots are three times more likely to be the victim of violent assault than in america. some call scotland the knife murder capital of europe. >> that's a pretty nasty slash.
>> part of the lifestyle? >> michael is one of the many who have been on the wrong side of the blade. he has just arrived at shotts to begin a six-year sentence for assault and robbery. >> okay, tell me, what happened to your face? >> one guy got banged in the face, one guy got slashed and the guy that got slashed was me. >> we quickly learned that shotts is full of young men whose lives have been put on hold due to knife violence and for many of them, like 22-year-old adam gallagher, the violence was fueled by a combination of alcohol and drugs. >> i stabbed people, i slashed people, i scolded people. that was the only way for me to survive. >> gallagher came to prison four years ago on a murder charge.
he claims he didn't know his girl friend stole a drunken man's wallet. when the man pursued them, gallagher struck. >> he more or less collapsed straight away. and we ran away. we got caught the next day. at the time i wasn't really thinking. and i was on drugs and drunk. >> gallagher received a life sentence but is eligible for parole after 15 years in prison. he works here as a barber. >> my mom and dad were middle class, suburban people, doesn't bother anybody. so for me to come into the jail, it was heart break for them. >> shock? >> shock, heartbreak. and that's why i barely talk to them anymore. >> how much time do you think you're going to be in prison before you really have a shot at parole?
>> truthfully, i don't believe i've ever get out. that's just my perception of it. >> how does a 22-year-old face the fact when he wakes up every morning that he's spending the rest of his life -- >> drugs. tons of drugs. i've been in this hole three weeks and there's not been a day when i haven't had drugs. >> what kind of drugs? >> heroin. >> how are you -- >> smoke it. i seen you looking at my arms. people don't go for needles over here. absolutely hate them. >> so are you high right now? >> no, no, no, not yet. >> when does that happen? >> when this is finished. >> drugs have impacted steven galaway's life as well. he spent most of his adulthood behind bars but he's maintained a sense of humor about it all. >> what's got a hundred legs and three teeth? a meth king.
>> as soon as we met him, he was it funny, outgoing character. even when the joke was pointed at you, you had to laugh, as i found out. >> he said, oh, there's a super model just come down. obviously he's got it wrong. i'm only messing with you. don't take it personal. >> but beneath galaway's humor is a desperate past. >> all right, one minute. >> he's currently serving just under four years for assault and robbery. >> i just wanted cash. so i'd just go and bang, that's how i used to do it. >> how? >> i used to rob it. >> galaway only has 15 months left in his current sentence and says he wants to clean up his life and stay out. but with his past record another conviction could send him away for good.
>> so i only got one chance left. if you can be clean in a place like, there you can be clean outside. i'm 42 now. i've been in all my life. and all of a sudden i'm 42. 42. so i want to try and, you know, get out and stay out. >> but an adulthood in prison doesn't always prepare one for life on the outside. >> for me to go out there and get a flat on my own, i'd just be lost. i can't cook, i can't do nothing, you know. you got to have life skills down here because everything's done for you in this place. you got no bills or, you know, nothing, nothing. >> how do you manage your cell here? >> have you seen my cell? >> i want my dinner, please. >> but galaway does know how to survive in prison. start by making friends with the correction staff. >> tell me what you think of them.
>> he was offering candy to us, to the officers, to other inmates. steven actually even asked one of the officers to take his canteen to the new inmate, but he may no attempt to hide his real motive for being a nice guy. >> why am i giving him any? doesn't have any money, doesn't have any canteen. i thought, oh, future. it's all about, you know what i mean? thinking ahead, you know what i'm saying? as you know, nothing for nothing in prison. >> when he returns to his cell, he finds the house warming gift left by galaway or as others here refer him to the scouse. >> the scouse has left you three cartons of biscuits. >> yo, scouse.
lethal combination of alcohol, drugs and knives. but they're not all youngsters. >> the man that i murdered insulted my pal. so i stabbed him. and he died. >> 60-year-old jimmy reed is about halfway through an 11-year sentence for culpable homicide, the equivalent of manslaughter in the u.s. >> it was a man i knew well. like a friend. i didn't mean to kill him. that was proven in court. i wanted convicted of murder. i meant to stab him. i admitted that but i didn't mean to kill him. >> while this was the first time he killed a man, his drinking has resulted in numerous prior convictions. he spent most of his adult life in scottish prisons, and his
sister who lives in the u.s. says he should be thankful for that. >> she says if i was in america the cops would have killed me years ago because of my carrying on when i'm drunk. she said "american police will zap you and [ bleep ] shoot you." >> jimmy was also carrying on the night before we met him. he had received several disciplinary reports for causing a disturbance. it started when he couldn't account for all of his prescription medication, which is a prison requirement to prevent drug dealing. >> i was two pills short. two. i supposed to have 42. i had 40. >> where did the other two go? >> i took them. they're mine. i got them off a doctor. but they put me on report for it. >> okay, what else? >> i should have had 42. i had 40.
so i went crazy. >> what'd you do? >> what did i do? everything. >> jimmy started off by continually ringing the emergency call button in his cell. >> just kept ringing the [ bleep ] bell. >> this one over here? >> rung the bell for hours. not getting much joy so i [ bleep ] lit it. >> by setting off his fire alarm, jimmy prompted the local fire department to visit the prison. we joined him the next day when he had to face the prison's deputy governor to answer for the five write-ups. the first concerns, the missing pills. >> now the charge for this first one is you did not produce the correct amount of medication when required to do so. do you want any materials taken for this one and did you receive written notice of this charge? >> i did. >> do you understand the charge of the hearing? >> yes.
>> are you ready for me to go ahead? >> yes. >> nurse o'neill checked the medication and found he was three tablets short. i placed him on report. is that correct? >> well, i would say two. >> you would say two. >> aye. >> okay, the nurse is saying three based on what she said. how do you plead this morning? are you pleading guilty or not guilty? >> guilty. >> okay, the second report, mr. reed, for this report do you want any materials for take notes? >> no. >> you swore at an officers coming to your cell. >> guilty. >> when being served with a report, james reed became abusive to me. this is officer stewart milton, tell me to get [ bleep ]. he then threatened to set fire to his cell. >> lock me up if you want. if you do i'll burn my peter. >> you'll burn your peter? >> aye. >> and you've been charged with
continually hitting your buzzer throughout the control period. how do you plead? >> guilty. >> i'll find you guilty on that one. two more to go. >> the fourth charge then is disobeying again a rule where you've been continually pressing your cell button again for no reason. >> guilty. >> the last report of the evening was where you've intentionally endangered the health and safety of others where you activated the smoke detector in your cell, requiring the prison staff and fire service to attend. do you understand that charge? and how do you plead? >> guilty. >> so you've pled guilty. i'm going to found you guilty on that. all right, i think we're finished with the reports for this morning.
>> jimmy's otherwise good behavior record over the past year helps him catch a break. he receives seven days loss of recreation time. his prison job wages and access to his cash account to buy supplies and snacks from the canteen. >> are you okay with it? >> for five reports, yes, i'm okay. >> jimmy is escorted back to his cell in d-hall, the prison's protective custody wing. >> jimmy's done a lot of time in the jail. he's not a young chap anymore. jimmy has enemies in different establishments. that's why he's kept separate. >> i was getting medication off a doctor and there was a prisoner trying to take them off me and he sent another prisoner to my cell. i told the guy to [ bleep ] off. do me or i'll do you. i said you're 30 years younger than me. i will [ bleep ] murder you.
so either [ bleep ] or shut the door. he [ bleep ] off. if they want to fight with me, fight with my rules. knife. then he won't fight. because he knows he may not win. >> jimmy might convey a tough persona inside shotts, but he has serious concerns about what awaits him on the outside when he finally leaves. >> i killed a man who i knew well, which had two big sons. over 30 years of age, that region. who will cause me a problem when i get out. i understand that. i killed their father. so there's a problem. they may come looking for me. if anybody killed my father, i'd [ bleep ] look for them.
so i'm expecting that. do i walk away from it or do i head back? my hands are tied. if i head back i'm saved back in prison but can i let these guys hurt me? they knife me, i knifed their father so it's a problem i've got ahead of me. so i may move out of town. >> do you think you're going to drink? >> why not? >> seems to cause you problems. >> i've been doing it for 40 years. any time i'm out. can i see myself stopping now? no. no. you want the truth, you're getting it. no. no.
he's a very dangerous person, and he needs to remain detained. >> that's some [ bleep ] man. i swear to god, man. >> i am telling you that that is the option. >> i'm telling you if i go back to that school i'm definitely going to violate my probation. >> what is that supposed to mean? >> he reaches over the seat and pulls out a gun and had it aimed at my chest. it hit me in the arm. >> if two years in placement didn't help you change your ways, i'm not certain any more time here is going to do anything for you. today what i'm going to do is -- >> i've got a lot of years to live. if i keep messing around with this i'm going to end up dead or in jail.
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