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>> i still miss my little buddy. i mean when you do your time with a cat for 15 years, you just -- you miss having them around. you know. but, yeah, i said i hope i get out of here so i can pick my little buddy back up. not a whole lot else i want to say except jinkster if you're
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give me the respect and courtesy of a human being and not an animal and you will receive the same. >> the killer of a corrections officer fights to be freed from 16 years of solitary confinement. >> robbie! >> boyhood friends struggle to father their kids from behind prison walls. but one, cut off from visits with his son, is on a razor's edge. >> i've been hurt a lot, and i mean, i seek revenge for that. >> hail all yee, holy god. greater than the sons -- >> a convicted murderer, seeks legitimacy for a religion that prison officials suspect is a front for white supremacist gangs. and we turned our cameras over to the inmates to share personal thoughts in the privacy of their cells. >> wabash, locked up - extended stay.
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welcome to the belly of the beast. pow. i hate wabash. you know what i mean? they make sure you know you're in prison everyday. >> who wants to be locked in a room with another man for 19 hours a day? then three of the half hours that we come out is to go get the worst food you've ever ate in your life. i don't even know how they call it food. >> everyday, seeing people take for granted, we cherish right now. >> wabash valley correctional facility -- a maximum security prison on the western edge of indiana.
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the center piece of the rural town of carlisle. the inmate population of nearly 2,200 out numbers local residents 4-1. many of indiana's most violent offenders are sent here. >> the approximate breakdown for offenders that have committed serious offenses against a person -- which may be murder, voluntary manslaughter, battery, assault -- is approximately 35% to 40% of our offender population. >> the most violent of these offenders are housed in single person cells, 23 hours a day in the secured confinement unit. >> 1205. >> few however are more notorious than lenard mcquay who has spent 16 years here. >> he still is escorted anywhere he goes by staff. a two-man escort. he'll be cuffed behind the back. his recreation is in solitary, by himself. he doesn't get rec with the other people. his activities are kind of limited. it's all by himself. that unit is designed for people like mcquay. everyone knows his history. >> the most infamous occurred
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when he was serving his time at indiana state prison seven years earlier, that's when he stabbed a corrections officer to death. >> we approached him from the front according to reports, stabbed him one time in the front chest area, which actually broke a rib. he stabbed him with such force, the sound of it targeted another staff member that was one range over to respond. when he responded he observed the second stab to the back, according to the reports, before the officer actually died, they said he told them he didn't know if he was going to make it or not. and mcquay was the one who stabbed him. >> at the time he was serving 20 years for sexual battery, he was sentenced to an additional 60 years after being found guilty of murdering the officer. despite the eyewitness accounts, mcquay still proclaims his innocence. >> it's been a long road. i need to maintain my balance and my mental health.
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>> mcquay will soon reach a milestone. his time in confinement is about to surpass the time he spent free in the outside world. >> sometimes you can be in an environment like this, and a person begins to see you as a mad dog, like every chance you get, you're going to lose control or you're going to snap on somebody. and that's not me. >> periodically, mcquay files requests to be moved back to general population, where he would have considerably more privileges. >> i still believe that leonard mcquay has an ulterior motive. >> the first person he needs to win over is the administrative segregation case manager. >> we all get along with
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leonard, he is very, very likeable. very caring, so friendly, but he's so overly friendly. it's so vague. it's not for real. >> since coming to wabash, mcquay has been involved in several incidents that have enforced his violent reputation. >> a few years ago, mcquay was in the rec room, he asked for a basketball. when they handed him a basketball, he came through the door and pushed his way through, and began assaulting a couple staff members. about six of us responded to restrain him and get him on the ground and get him in cuffs. >> sometime emotions can push you over the edge. sometimes you can regret after becoming so emotional the things that you do. especially when you know that one action can result in a
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lifetime of misery. >> but mcquay says he's had a spiritual awakening since converting to islam. >> it's the reflection of a new person, a new man, a changed man. >> mcquay is not the only inmate at wabash valley who says he's gone through a spiritual transformation since coming to prison. [ speaking foreign language ] >> marcus murray is a self-proclaimed priest of a pagan religion. >> asatru is the pre-christian religion of northern europeans. >> here me now your son --
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>> it's popular among predominantly white inmates countrywide. he discovered it shortly after coming to wabash 11 years earlier. he's serving a sentence for beating another man to death. his hammer pendant and many prison tattoos are symbols of his faith. >> they're viking age is a large portion of asatru. >> the prison officials have begun to see asatru as something else, a front for white supremacist gangs. members have been allowed to hold services at some prisons. wabash has banned such gatherings. >> the gang members are using their meetings to have their gang meetings within the service itself.
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>> murray has decided to file a grievance to appeal the ban. >> it is not a gang, it does not promote gang mentality or any criminal elements at all. it's a religion based on the virtue and knowledge. >> the ban hasn't stopped murray from recruiting other members. >> marcus has been teaching us about what the hammer means, what the different gods and goddesses are. >> jones who also denies being a white supremacist came to wabash three years ago at the age of 18. he was sentenced to six years for burglary. >> i was strung out on drugs and broke into a house, and took the tv and a bunch of other little items like a tattoo gun and took them and sold them for drugs. >> the house he robbed was his
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fathers. >> my dad called the police, he said, i strongly believe it was my son junior. it killed him to do it. >> jones says he would like to rebuild a relationship with his father, and will soon have a chance. he leaves prison on parole in one week. >> you're not enjoying the weather, are you? >> why would you enjoy the weather, man. you get to enjoy all that when you go home next week. next thursday. >> he wants to be influenced, because he's still being molded as a man. he's still a kid, and he's turning into somebody. >> delivering papers, no, that's just temporary. >> i'm glad you have aspirations. >> what does that mean?
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coming up -- >> i have a $100 bill tattooed on my penis. two boyhood friends now cell mates find themselves at a crossroads. >> i'm asking you to open your heart. >> leonard mcquay tries to rehab his image. >> i treat him with respect but i do not trust him. plaque psoriasis... ...isn't it time to let the... ...real you shine... ...through? introducing otezla, apremilast.
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visit and get started today. i recognize i got a family out there that really needs me. and spent a lot of time away from me. can't say i've always been the best for them. as a matter of fact their lives probably would have been a lot better without me in it. >> the wabash valley correctional facility is isolated among miles of corn and
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soybean fields in southwestern indiana. >> come on. >> some of the states most violent inmates are housed here and they've been known to hurt each other. james stone has been in prison for the past 25 years for attempted murder. he's had more than a few scrapes in that time. some inmates have been known to create knives out of toothbrushes or anything else. several years ago, when stone was at another prison, he devised a more unique weapon. >> cheese graters, i had leather work gloves. i took the pads off the inside of welding gloves. zipped them in varnish, put the pads on top of the varnish, dripped back down in the varnish, went over to a drill press where the curly cues are, i dipped down in a bunch of them, so it looked like a metal bush on top of the gloves. then let them dry for a minute. they i ran them through the top layer of the varnish in the can so it would keep them from
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breaking off, and let them dry on your hands while your hands stay balled up. and once they dry, they last forever. every time you hit someone, it's like taking cheese through a cheese greater, it's not pretty. it's like making slaw. >> among this population of seasoned inmates are two young prisoners, once boyhood friends on the outside, they rely on each other for survival on the inside. >> we met at different places we hung out when we were what? >> 13, 14. maybe even 12. >> robbie is serving six years for armed robbery. and is no stranger to prison. >> i'll be 23 in a couple days, and with parole violations all together, i came to prison five times, and the none of them been
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for a long time, but if i keep coming, eventually it's going to be, and i don't want that. i really don't have nobody out there, i wish i had some place to go. i wish i could get on my feet, get a job, and live life productively. i don't want to keep coming here, this ain't for me. >> you hear me? >> unlike his boyhood friend who's been in and out of prison five times, this is bradley's first time behind the walls. but as a juvenile, he was twice placed on house arrest. now he's serving 16 years for burglary and criminal gang activity. >> i heard my sentence, i was crying. >> at 18 it seemed like forever
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getting 16 years. it was like, oh, man, i ain't never getting out. we have a good relationship, talk to each other like crazy. smack each other around when nobody's looking. >> even though they're from the same hometown, their lives in prison would make it seem like they're from different sides of the tracks. >> his tv is just a little older model and my tv is one of the flat screens they just started selling, it's expensive, but it's just a bigger picture. everything in here is ours, you know what i mean? it's not -- whatever's mine is his, whatever's his is mine, that's the way we live. >> thanks to support from his family, napier has money to spend in the commissary. once a week, he loads up on snacks for him and his cell mate.
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>> he needs to carry half of everything. >> robbie. >> all the commissary goes in one box. we both eat out of it. he doesn't have a lot of the things going for him that i have. it's hard for him to stay on the right path. >> one thing mcanally does have is an abundance of tattoos. >> i got these praying hands for my dad, my mom in the heart. over here is money bags, naked girls, everyone likes naked girls and money. those are clowns up there, there isn't too much meaning behind those. >> don't you have a $100 bill? >> i do. >> where is that at?
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>> it's crazy, bro. i got a $100 bill tattooed on my penis. >> what do you tell the girls about that? >> it's money to blow. >> that only tells part of his story, it's the pictures he keeps tucked away in a photo album that tell the rest. >> look at that. >> he hasn't seen his son, 3-year-old robbie iii in more than two years, he's had a contentious relationship with his son's mother. >> since i came back to prison, me and her got into it, i haven't seen him at all. it's been 26 months ago. >> he's also the father of a young boy, bradley jr. >> this is what he sent me for my birthday. this is another thing he colored for me, and put stickers on.
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>> like other aspects of their friendship, their relationships to their sons are also marked by a have and have not quality. unlike mcanally, napier enjoys regular visits with his children. >> i wouldn't be able to go through what he's going through, not seeing my son. >> there ain't no reason behind 26 months. >> that's how it is, we're in two different places. >> mcanally longs for a visit with his son. marcus murray has been teaching his religious beliefs to jones. he hopes asatru will help keep him from returning to prison. >> you're hanging out at the house, and you realize you have bills to pay or something like that, somebody comes over and offers you an opportunity for you to make a little bit of easy cash, go rob something.
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things go bad, things break bad, people that get involved, that weren't supposed to be there, get shotguns and you get killed. you end up being another justin. another heartbreak i have to deal with. >> i've been through this before, i've had friends of mine that i've taken under my wing, youngsters that get out before i do, anyway, they get out there and they mess up. in fact, i lost a friend about six years ago, justin, he got shot by a police officer in indianapolis, i feel like i failed him. >> i promise you, i will send you a card for every month you're out there. if you come back, i will send a blanket party your way. >> i'm not coming back. >> all right, thank you. coming up, leonard mcquay gets a job and a chance to prove himself.
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every day islamic prayers can be heard drifting from the cell of leonard mcquay at the wabash correctional facility in indiana. >> five times a day. it's mandatory for muslims all over the world, five times a day. >> he's been in administrative segregation at wabash's secured confinement unit. >> hold the koran up, read this every day. mcquay says his koran has helped him grow spiritually, the other books in his cell have helped him grow physically. >> every day i do me some curls.
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i do these. i do shrugs. back arms like this. like this. probably about 55 or 60 pounds. >> mcquay has spent years trying to earn his way back into general population. but his history as a violent offender continues to haunt him. >> i engaged in an emotional response to be an offense. >> i was warned when i came into this job about leonard mcquay. he is very smart, very very clever. he can talk a great talk. >> caseworker beverly gilmore has serious questions about mcquay's trustworthiness. her goal is to give inmates an opportunity to prove themselves she made a controversial decision. she gave him a job in his housing unit. >> i did make him a sanitation worker. that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors, they thought i had lost my mind i would never
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let him get out of his cell. i said, let's give him a chance. i talked to leonard. i say, one time you pass a scrap of paper to another offender, you will be without your job. and we are watching him probably more closely than any -- at least this miss gilmore is, because i have something to prove. >> change is gauged by behavior. if you are changing changing, your behavior must change. and i believe my behavior has changed. >> he hopes a positive job performance will help him win his transfer and his fate will be determined at his next review, which is less than a week away. >> the bottom line is, i'm still somebody that deserves respect,
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hurricane patricia made landfall earlier tonight.
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a powerful category 5 storm. it is now a category for packing 130-mile-per-hour winds. came on shore with a thinly populated area. sparing some of the region leake worst centers. tens of thousands of people have been evacuated. the president is asking those not to go outside. we will continue to keep you updated throughout the night. now back to lockup >> wabash valley has approximately 43 different gangs. approximately around 400 different gang members. that doesn't reflect all of our
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suspected members. those are all confirmed members. we have twin 200 to 300 suspected gang members at this facility. >> most of the gangs are divided along racial lines. the majority of the gang members prison officials suspect that asatru might be a front for white supremacist gangs. marcus murray denies that. >> there has never been anything in my studies that says one race is more dominant over another one culture. nor one religion dominant over another. asatru believers believe that our religion is fine, your religion is fine. >> guy radcliffe who has been practicing asatru for several years here. said there's one group that is not welcome.
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>> if we found out someone in the community was a child molester, he would be banned from the community. he cannot participate. it's a bylaw, you cannot be a sex offender and be in asatru. >> radcliffe also defended the fact that some members have swastikas tattooed often their bodies. >> the swastika was around long before adolf hitler came along. okay? now, i don't have nothing against uncle adolf, but he took something from my religion, which was a sun wheel and made it part of his party. it goes back to ancient civilizations. they had a swastika in persia, way before national socialism came along. >> radcliffe defended asatru, his comments disturbed murray,
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who let him know how much when he returned to his cell. >> you just made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ]. >> i tried to talk to you about this i swear i did. sorry, marcus. i apologize. try not to get mad at me, man. >> you just sank my boat. >> later we told murray we recorded his exchange with radcliffe and asked him to explain it. >> i was a little man. i mean, it -- he didn't mean any harm, he just -- ignorant of the conduction of leadership roles, and i think now that he has seen that it upset me and knows that it's not really how we do business, i think he's changed his point of view. >> murray hopes to also change the point of view of prison
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officials. he will soon have a hearing with administrators to appeal their ban on group worship services among asatru members and have it removed from the list of security threat groups. robbie mcanally faces another challenge. he not only feels isolated from his young son but his boyhood friend who just happens to be his cell mate. >> i knew him for years even before we came to prison. but i mean, i got my problems, that i ain't seen my son in two years and -- even he gets to trip he knows how it feels, he don't see his son for a week. he gets visits every week. i'm in here [ bleep ] up. >> mcanally, serving six years for armed robbery, wears his frustration in prison ink. >> that says vengeance, i've had a lot of wrong done to me. i seek revenge for that. i had a lot of animosity built
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up when i got it. i'm hoping i can let things go now for my sake and my son's sake, it ain't worth coming back to prison over. >> the mother of my child. i'm kind of mad at her that she's held my son from me. >> but that could be changing. a recent letter and her submission of a visitation request, are indications she's planning to bring his son to see him. >> this season the first too she's said she's going to bring him to see me and i can be a part of my life and then falls off. the last time i saw him, he couldn't walk, he couldn't talk. >> he clings to the hope that his visit will take place. >> his cell mate is enjoying one of his regular visits with his
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son. >> score a touchdown. >> touchdown. >> touchdown! >> bradley talks about his dad all the time. when we pull up and he sees that guard tower, that's daddy's house, inside you're like, great, he sees a guard tower and razor wires and thinks of his dad. but in another sense, that is his dad's house. and he's excited to see his dad. >> visits typically take place in a common area. this session is in a private playroom. >> i get to spend a lot more time with my son. i get to come in this visiting room, everything's great, me and him running around here, playing ball. >> the monthly visits are carefully monitored by the program's coordinator.
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>> they have a responsibility is what we're trying to teach them. even though they're in prison, it doesn't give them a copout not to be a dad. >> you're okay. get up. >> come on. let me kiss it. go tell daddy kiss it. >> you'll be all right. >> you're beast mode. >> say i'm beast mode. >> daddy's beast mode? >> go ahead and have a seat. >> following each visit he undergoes a review. >> let's talk about bradley crying. >> i think, you know, when he starts crying, i tell him, bradley get up, you're fine. he's raised by a whole bunch of
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women, and little boys raised by a whole bunch of women get babied and i don't want my son growing up being babied all the time. the world's tough, get up, you have to go on anyway. >> i understand where you're coming from. i want to give you a suggestion. it's okay for him to cry, it's okay for you to say he's okay, and then address the situation and move on. it kind of seemed that some of your patterns came from just, okay, quick fix, let's get him on to something else so he stops what he's doing. it's okay to acknowledge that he's crying, and find out why he's crying and move on from that. go understand? >> i understand. >> i like to hear insight on what people think how i am as a father. i'm going to give it some thought, i know how to be a father, i've done good with it. >> coming up. william jones says good-bye to his mentor and hello to life on the outside.
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>> don't come back. >> and leonard mcquay argues for a transfer out of confinement. whatever you're doing, plan well and enjoy life... ♪ or, as we say at unitedhealthcare insurance company, go long. of course, how you plan is up to you.
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people forgot about me, man. acting like i'm dead. all the people want to write me, that helps me stay strong, and you don't even know it. >> as the predawn darkness hangs over indiana's wabash valley correctional facility, most of the 2200 convicted felons housed here are treated as one more routine day of incarceration, not william jones, jr. today after three years he's going home. >> how do you feel today? >> nervous. i'm happy to leave, but it sucks to leave people in here. >> the one inmate he most hates to leave behind is his close friend and spiritual mentor
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marcus murray, who is serving 60 years for murder. >> it's going to be hard, dude. >> you're going to miss me. >> i'm not going to miss you. >> oh, man. >> be cool, man. >> all right. >> while jones spends his final moments in prison, just outside the walls, his older brother casey and casey's family arrive to pick him up. >> me and my brother are pretty close. i'm just glad i get to pick him up, and not leave him here. i've been here eight different times and had to leave him here, it was hard. >> good luck, stay out of here. >> all right. >> good luck, man.
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>> it feels different. i guess there's nothing like walking out of prison, i guess. >> all right. >> being in jail is not real good. i don't like it. >> what's your name? >> jones. >> this is your property, and we'll walk you out of here. >> let's go. >> be right with you, ma'am. >> come on, billy, run to me. >> don't come back. >> that's -- >> i don't want to see you any more. >> no, i ain't coming back. [ laughter ] >> i'm going to do the honors.
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>> man. >> cigarettes in the car. >> can't have it now. >> i don't care. >> take a picture. >> finally. all right, everybody in. >> while jones savers his first moments of freedom, back inside wabash, leonard mcquay fights for a different kind of freedom. he has a review hearing with his case manager to determine if he's ready to be released back into general population from administrative segregation. the only world he's known for the past 16 years.
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>> you going all the way out with it, ain't you? >> leash is off. >> the prospect of mcquay, the killer of a corrections officer being released back into general population, has some staff on edge. >> offender mcquay, he comes off as a very well spoken, polite individual. that being said, he does have the conduct history, the assault on staff, murder charge of a staff member from a previous facility, so even though he does come across as a quiet individual, you have to keep that in mind when you're dealing with him. >> they so evil, barbaric, putting all them chains on that guy like that. >> i do not trust him. i treat him with respect, but i do not trust him. >> the last time mcquay had a review with his case manager beverly gilmore, he approved his
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request for a job. he hopes he can persuade her he's ready for general population. >> how are you? >> i got my presentation for my review. >> mr. mcquay what makes you a good candidate for release from administrative segregation into the offender general population. >> i've engaged in rehabilitation that has allowed me to take a retrospective look, not only at my past violent behavior and my new more humbled progressive behavior, and i believe that i've made some significant strides in my social relationship with staff. >> leonard, you talk a mighty fine talk. however, how are we to be assured that you actually have soaked this in and believe it down into the bone marrow? >> i'm asking you miss gilmore, and i'm asking the administration here to open your hearts and look at me as a human being who has made some terrible mistakes, who has come back from
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the grave, i'm a new man. the only way that this new man can shine is that you give me the opportunity. please give me a chance, that's all i need. >> i will summarize that in a statement. >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. mcquay. >> they got reason to be concerned because of prior incidents, you know, associated with me. the only way that they can see that i'm not only a changed man, but i'm ready to do something different with my life is to let me have an opportunity. i haven't had a chance. and that's what i'm hoping for. >> coming up, marcus murray defends asatru. >> you have a salute, kind of like a white supremacists do. >> no sir. >> and a decision is handed down
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this is my little boy, right around my birthday. my baby mama sent me this picture too, this was the day he was born. >> i don't know. >> robbie has been in prison for a little more than two years. in all that time, he hasn't had a single visit with his 3-year-old son. recent contact with the child's mother had given him hope that a visit might be occurring. but now the child's mother represented in a tattoo on his arm, has changed her plans. >> all she's been talking about for the past two and a half months now, i'm going to bring trey down there.
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now all of a sudden, she's too busy. i think i'm going to turn her into a clown, bro. >> don't do that. >> i think i will. >> he talks that -- he loves that girl. >> she ain't worth a [ bleep ]. >> later. mcanally revealed one possible reason why the mother of his child has not followed through on visits. he said it was an incident that happened before he returned to prison, something he rarely talks about. >> it was a domestic battery and i haven't seen him since then which was -- yeah, that's the last time i seen him, was the night that that happened. >> mcanally can only accept the consequences of his actions and do little to control developments with those he's left behind on the outside. but today marcus murray is helping to make a big change on the inside.
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>> how are you doing? >> he filed a grievance to have asatru removed from the prison's list of security threat groups or gangs. today, security threat group coordinator robbie marshall and assistant the superintendent have granted murray a hearing on the matter. >> if you were in a leadership position and you saw someone coming into your community or into your services with ill will or intent to participate in a secure activity, what would your take be? >> i would tell them to go back where they came, there's no reason to bring ill will into the hall, it's a sacred place, if one person is sick in the group, then we're all sick. if you're in the communities, you have a say so, and if something's kind of controversial it does get voted on. >> can you elaborate on that a little bit. >> let's say somebody had a new idea for how we salute each other, or something like that
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in. >> you say salute, you're talking about greeting someone? >> yeah, particular handshakes, like as a fraternity, people like to set themselves apart. >> you stated that you or your community have a greeting that you refer to as a salute. can you show me what that refers to? >> no, i -- i never said that. >> no? >> well, you mean like we say something. we say hail sa which means hello and good health. >> you weren't referring to a gesture? >> no, no, no. or body language or anything like that. >> kind of like a lot of white supremacists do, they do the hitler salute. >> no, sir. >> i guess i have one major question here, what is your input on other races joined in your community?
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>> we will discriminate against no one regardless of race, gender, sex, creed, nationality, origin or of their religion, we won't discriminate from that. >> you have a minority and a leadership role? >> no, we haven't. >> if that opportunity arose, would that be allowed? >> yes, it would. >> do you have any other questions? >> no, not today. >> marcus, do you have any questions for us? >> no, i don't. >> thank you. >> the final decision could still be weeks off. but the wait is over for leonard mcquay. prison officials have denied his request to be moved back to again population. >> it seems like he has everything in the world going for him. but when you really sit down, and you really listen off the unit, when he thinks that you can't hear him talking. some of the things he talks about negative toward staff, a staff person was assaulted by another offender in another cell house, he was applauding. that's a tell tale sign he's not ready to go into the general population. >> i don't want to lose my mind on a unit like this, i don't want to physically begin to
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deteriorate where i can't get no help. i want to be given an opportunity to do something progressive with my life. back here in solitary confinement, i can't do that. follow "lockup" producers and crews as day go behind the walls of america's prisons and jails with the s


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