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prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. i'm chris jansing, it is 11:00 on a saturday night here in paris and we're following developments on several fronts. we start this hour in brussels, belgium's capital city on alert and on lockdown because of what officials are calling, quote, a serious and immediate threat. nbc's claudio lavagna is live in brussels. what's going on where you are right now, claudio? >> well, what we know about the threat, chris, the part you said
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authorities believe there is an imminent and serious threat. they also said they feared a coordinated attack similar to the one that took place in paris last friday. now, as you can see the threat level was raised to the highest possible, which is level number four close down the subway system, close down movie theaters, shopping centers, all places where essentially there will be large gatherings of people and could be a target for potential terrorists. and this has really taken the toll on the city. really is a city on lockdown. i don't know whether you can see behind me. the street behind me is a major boulevard here in the center -- in the city center of brussels. behind me is the old stock exchange. usually on a saturday night it is 11:00 here also, usually on a saturday night at this time it's full of revelers being merry and happy and drinking belgian beer,
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maybe just starting their night. and look at it now it's fairly deserted. and there may be more policemen than there are people because they are concerned. and another signal -- another sign that they are concerned is the number of people who are calling that help line that has been set up by the crisis center for today as a consequence of that raising of the threat level to level four, the highest. now we have been told that as many as 400 people an hour have been calling that number. and that shows you, chris, how much people are concerned over here. >> i also want to ask you about that. essentially their own sort of version of state of emergency not formal as it is here, but calling for all the shops to close down, restaurants to close down, but i was reading on some of the wires today that some of the restaurant tours for example were defying, a few of the shop owners decided to stay open. what did you see as you were out
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and about while it was still daylight, claudio? >> well, essentially they left it to the the districts. there are 19 districts here in brussels to decide whether to close a shop or not. in terms of private of course business as we talking about because they close down all the public businesses like public libraries and swimming pools and so forth. now, around here in the city center, well, let's say one out of three restaurants were open. we went to speak to them to the owners and they said that they were defiant, that they weren't going to close because that will mean that the terrorists will win. but at the same time, chris, they were telling us that it was a very, very quiet evening. and in a way there was no point for them to be open in the first place. so this is another side of the story, chris. we'll see soon if this doesn't end soon there will be a pretty big economic impact on this city because of all the closures.
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>> claudio in brussels for us. thanks very much. much like where he's standing here in paris it is a city under threat. i'm joined now by msnbc's thomas roberts who's been following all the latest developments here in the city of light. one of the big ones is under this state of emergency which is officially going to go on now three more months after both houses voted to pass that, we have seen really stepped up security at what they consider some key infrastructure sites across paris. >> so there are major waterways around the city of paris. and there is increased security around those. i spoke to one source that said they're not surprised to hear this news. that they typically have sources of police protection around them, but to have them ramped up at this point is not uncommon given the state of emergency that we're living in officially now. >> essentially protecting the water supply. >> correct. and also keeping a close eye out for anything else that may seem suspicious. because, chris, as you know they
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have wide ranging powers now. and all the raids that have been conducted since last friday night to check out and go in to anybody's home without any type of judicial authorization. right now there are over 10,000 military personnel deployed across the country. there are 100,000 police out in force 5,500 customs officials to crackdown on the border. again, this is going after the parisian way of life. but now we have these other threats that are springing up. and i just wanted to tell you about what i was able to do just in the last couple of minutes was find out the statement that we got from the fbi about security concern back at home, anonymous, the hacking group has put out a list of threats that they feel are valid for some type of isis attack tomorrow. one being at the phillips arena in atlanta. if you're familiar with atlanta, it's right downtown in the heart of the city. and the empvent is taking place tomorrow night at 7:30. the fbi put out this statement
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saying the fbi is aware of reports of an alleged threat that includes an atlanta, georgia venue and event. we do not have specific or credible information of an attack at this time, we have however made the proper noti notifications as we continue to work closely with our law enforcement and private sector partners to keep our community safe. that came out of the fbi atlanta field office, the w.w.e. put out a statement saying they're currently scheduled as planned while we investigate this matter with state and federal authorities but that's planned for 7:30 p.m. tomorrow night. these are regular events, you know, big downtown event for atlanta. but anonymous put out this entire list of international events that would draw attention because of the large crowds. and filled with tens of thousands of people, phillips arena will be packed for a sunday night popular event which could be considered a very soft target. >> yeah, i mean, we don't want to overly concern people because, you know, obviously anywhere that large numbers of
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people gather are places where isis have said here, in italy they've named specifically some places. >> rome. >> in rome, in milan, places that could be targets. but this is really what we're going to see in the united states and elsewhere as they continue to come out with these threats that, you know, may or may not have any basis in fact whatsoever. americans are going to be reminded again about sort of the way life was after 9/11 when there was a little bit more security, where they checked your bag a little more thoroughly. maybe you have to go through some more security detectors. >> well, i think the french people are going to realize what president hollande's words mean that we are at war. that this is war. and this is a conventional approach that allied countries that are traditionally allied in times of great crisis are fighting a very unconventional enemy. and trying to outsmart people that don't work on the same level as you would in a typical
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wartime situation. and we know the human cost that it is for americans that have been effected by the loss of military members, of those that have been lost in terrorist attacks in the states, but the multi billion dollars that have been spent fighting terrorism isn't really keeping america safe. is that what france is going to find out now as it is -- >> well, i mean the argument is obviously we haven't had a major attack since 9/11. so i think, you know, america, i think the people who work in terrorism would say that america has been kept safe. but having said that, you know, we joke -- >> but even the simplicity of the boston marathon bombing, how easily lone wolf attacks can happen. i think that's one thing pete williams was talking about earlier this week, you know, how they're worried about type of lone wolf inspired events. while this was much more calculated and much more connected, tissue, organized with the cells here, that is a problem with lone wolves being able to take this up and see not
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a 9/11 style attack but they can still cause major chaos at an event for example like the boston marathon. but this is something that the fbi while they're not saying this is something that we feel is totally valid, it's on their radar. so they're making a statement about it. we'll wait and see how it goes. and 7:30 p.m. tomorrow night we know that one event's going to be taking place in atlanta. they have no plans to cancel it. >> and i think probably -- i haven't seen anything, but i'm guessing that nfl stadiums around the country as we saw last week they'll be a little more attention, any place that you get those kinds of huge crowds that could indeed as you said -- >> and rightfully so. >> thomas roberts, good to have you here. >> thanks, chris. >> thank you so much. in the meantime, new threats of violence today in an isis video just released. now, it's nothing isis hasn't promised before, but in the wake of the paris attacks the new video is chilling. it warns that members are scattered across europe's capital cities poised to act. joining me now former u.s.
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intelligence officer malcolm nance who is the executive director of terror asymmetric -- i think what we're seeing is this fine line officials walk between wanting to make sure people are vigilant, want to let them know if there's anything out there that might be of concern, but not cause any undue panic. how do they walk that line, malcolm? >> well, they're going to have to walk the line with the assistance of the news media. in fact, isis is releasing these videos specifically to invoke a sense of panic throughout the world. and it's very calculated. it's very well done. and you notice that every time the news media watches a video in paris and they see a reference to new york city, the next day or two days later there's a video of new york city or there's a verbal threat of washington, d.c. it's very easy to do that. so the fbi has to take threats seriously. and i recently had a briefing with the fbi. they take all threats seriously.
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they are more interested in the lone wolf or hybrid of a professional and a lone wolf marrying up and carrying out an attack. but it's very difficult. and it requires vigilance. >> let me go back to what's happening here now. because after the paris attacks it didn't take investigators long to trace a trail back to brussels, which has become a hub of illegal arms traffic, several attackers were based there. why belgium? >> well, belgium has a lot of advantages for terrorist trafficker. let's talk about the logistics, weapons, drugs, money, things like that come through. first off you have large ports. also it is not france. it is not a country of 66 million what you have is generally a very, very small country, which is not on the center of the radar screen. it does have a large expatriate muslim population, but within that it appears that isis and al qaeda ied logs seem to have
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found a place where they can operate in total secrecy as well as have access ways to the european black market. so they chose that. and they actually have one of the largest number of per capita members of isis in syria fighting right now, larger than the french per capita. that's why they chose that. and they have the same language in the southern part. >> meantime it's an al qaeda linked group, not isis, that's claimed responsibility for yesterday's attack in mali. do you think two totally separate attacks? or is there any reason to think that al qaeda was emboldened by isis' high profile attack? >> well, the way the terrorists, you know, team leaders actually have to plan these missions, it's very hard to go on a moment's notice and just drop what you're doing, get your weapons, go out to a target. they may have had these targets surveilled for a long period of time. and they may have been emboldened. they might have thought this is
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the time to strike french interests inside of mali. we've been set up for this for a while. we did it a few months ago at another hotel. let's try it again. so i think that what we do have is a sort of competition, maybe even some envy and jealousy going on between groups. but they still have to do it within the operational timelines so that they don't fail in these missions. >> yeah, i mean, when you have a game of one-upsmanship, the danger is obvious. is there any way for the coalition to use that to their advantage? >> well, that's an interesting question. i think what you're seeing in brussels right now is a good example of us using this competitive edge that these two have on for each other against them. what's happening in brussels is what we call a disruptive operation. quite clearly they had hard intelligence on where these things were going to occur. everywhere you see heavy armed
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forces, everywhere you see that is closed like the metro, they must have had intelligence that there was going to be a mission there. just watching the news footage today they have snipers in strategic places that they want the terrorists to know something's going on there. the question is now the al qaeda and isis adherence communication networks respond to that? if they do they're actually opening themselves up to more intelligence collection and greater ability to be penetrated and broken. so i think right now you'll probably see in europe these groups lay low unless they feel very adventurous and the belgians and french are more than willing right now to take them on. >> malcolm nance, it's always good to talk to you. thank you so much. >> my pleasure. france is the world's leading tourist destination. an estimated 83 million tourists come here each year according to the french ministry of foreign affairs. officials had hoped to increase that number to 100 million by
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2030. so the question remains will the recent attacks thwart that goal -- been talking to some tourists and local business owners about this. what are they telling you? >> well, of course there has been a sharp media dropoff in tourism, restaurants did about half of their normal business last week. hotels saw bookings fall by 60% to 70%, this all according to the president for the union for hotels and restaurants here in paris. we also went down to the tourist boats that are normally full even in chilly november with passengers. they said 80% of their group bookings have now been canceled. and school groups have canceled for the rest of the year because officials have decided it's just not safe enough to bring a group of small children into the capital city here of paris. i did though find one american couple who saw the attacks on tv. they were nervous of course. they hesitated for a moment, but they decided to come any way. take a listen to what they had to say. >> i don't know that you're in any more danger here than you would be anywhere else. i mean, the death by gun rate
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here is one-third what it is in the u.s. you know, it's 10 point something per 100,000 in the u.s., it's only three here, i think you're as safe in paris as anywhere. >> was your family worried you decided to make the trip? >> nobody said so. i don't think -- no. >> what would you say to people who have a trip planned to paris but now are thinking maybe i should cancel? >> if you're an american, i say show a little backbone, will you. i mean, these guys dr they're our longest standing allies. i don't think anything bad's going to happen to you here. >> and you know of course, chris, they did say they saw heavily armed guards outside all the sites they went to. so just a little of the eiffel tower, notre dame they said was a little frightening but also frankly reassuring. >> you know, i was trying to remember after 9/11 it didn't seem like it took that long for people to start coming back. but what is that sort of the historical record when we've had these kinds of incidents and how long the effects are felt?
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>> well, i remember particularly in new york in 9/11 the city did a lot to bring tourism back. and that really took a while. but if you look at london perhaps as a closer example, 2005 the terrorist bombings on the bus and the tube there, the city bounced back quite quickly. this was also the concern back in january after the "charlie hebdo" attacks that tourism would be a wash for all of 2015. but that is not turned out to be the case. until now 2015 was on track to be the best year yet for tourism. but of course that was a very targeted attack, this feels much more random. it all depends if anything else happens. of course this same president of the union for hotels and restaurants said for december hotels are expected to do about one-third less business and restaurants another one-third less business in particular because people are calling to cancel their holiday parties. >> oh. olivia, thanks so much for coming in. appreciate it. authorities here in france able to tell a lot by the suicide vests and belts used by the attackers. that story when we return. you can't predict... the market. but at t. rowe price,
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welcome back to msnbc live. at this moment some new information on the international search for this man, salah abdelsalam. the lawyer for a man who rode back to belgium with a suspected paris attacker says salah abdelsalam was extremely nervous and may have been wearing a suicide bomb vest. we'll have the latest details on the manhunt as they come in. suicide bombs strapped to terrorists played a big role in the attacks on paris and raise questions about the isis operation specifically about the group's bomb makers. we're joined by henry morganstern, he's with security solutions international and is an expert on the topic of bomb making. good to see you. and i'm wondering, so we've had eight days now. they've had a chance to look at the explosives, what's left of
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them at the various sites here in paris. what will they be able to tell from looking at that? >> well, chris, good to be with you. they'll be looking at the materials that were used, which leave traces of course the mechanisms and the detonators that were used to build those vests. as far as i know the vests were made from tatp. and as you're probably very aware it's all over the internet, it's been around for a long time and it's very easy to make. having said that it's unstable and that can work in our favor because there are a number of accidents related to that explosive. >> didn't seem to be accidents in this case though. at least early indications would seem to be and from the outside looking in in addition to what we have heard from officials is that these were very well timed, obviously. they didn't go off any other time but when they intended them
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to. so if this is a sophisticated bomb maker, will there be as people have often written some sort of signature? there they be able to tell who likely -- or at least narrow it down at least who might be behind making them? >> yes, they can very much pinpoint if there are specific components being used. but, chris, i would just caution against considering the bomb maker to be the key. as it was i'm an israeli american, in the '90s and early parts of the 2000s, israel was fixed on bombmakers and spent a considerable amount of time taking them out. unfortunately today, and that's why i think the distinction between the lone wolf and the organized attack has become meaningless. look at the boston marathon bombers. all this information is available through their own publications like dabiq and through the internet. so anybody can really put
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together a suicide vest. it's not that complicated an undertaking. what we need to do, i think, is enlist instead of people becoming worried and panicked enlist people in being more aware. because, again, it's the smartest weapon in the world. if you fire a missile, it goes towards its target. if a suicide bomber goes out one day, he can turn around and come back the next day if he doesn't like what he sees. so i think that it's something that we have to create awareness of in the -- in our country. and keep ourselves very vigilant and be able to detect things that are not right. >> you know, if anyone's traveled to israel they will know for example one of the things you look for on a bus is someone wearing a coat at a time when that would be inappropriate when it's too warm out. you do when you live in a place like israel or you visit frequently to a place like that become very aware. but beyond the old see something say something, if you're in an
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airport and see an unattended bag, what can people do? what would you say to people? what can they look for? >> for example the chemical that was used in the explosions in paris can be set off instantly by an impact. so just touching it could set it off. the first thing to do is to call -- first of all familiarize yourself, your family with who to call in your area. there are perfectly available numbers for centers for people know what to do. and of course there's 911. but do first of all if you see something suspicious don't be afraid to let your instincts guide you. call 911. and tell them that what you see. that may cause bomb squads and law enforcement and first responders a little bit more work, but that's preferable to the alternative. >> henry morgenstern, good
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talking with you. thanks so much for being with us. >> chris, thank you. up next, president obama condemning yesterday's terror attack on a hotel in mali. 20 innocent people including an american are dead. an author and filmmaker who knows that country well joins me to disdusz what happened and why the region appears to be so vulnerable to terror. when it comes to helping you reach your financial goals,t taking small, manageable steps can be an effective... and enjoyable approach... compared to the alternatives.
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surprising choice of words, but i was just in bamako a few months ago. and it's -- i guess i just want the world to know and describing it that it's an extraordinary city. it's not unlike paris. i mean, mali is one of the poorest countries in the world, but it's also incredibly rich when it comes to culture. people love to sit outside and listen to music late at night, cafes are bustling. they're very beautiful wide avenues along the river. and it's a city that's stranger to violence. there's some history of rebellion and coops. >> did you have any sense when you were there recently about what many people have said this is a city that simply lives under the threat of terror. in fact this hotel which attracts a lot of westerners, a lot of diplomats and v.i.p.s is a place that's heavily secured.
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is that sort of in the back of everyone's mind as they're there? >> to be honest you really don't have that sense. the people of mali especially in the bamako area and further south do not give a lot of credence to that threat. and i'm not saying that they're irresponsible about it. what i'm saying is that they, you know, that the reason again these attacks in bamako was such a surprise because in bamako there was a sense prior to these attacks and the ones a few months ago that people, that these groups would not make it that far. that they were largely secluded in the way northern parts of the country in the sahara desert and they wouldn't actually infiltrate the capital city. and so, you know, in many ways people were not -- the security is certainly tight. there are many, you know, united nations troops there. but it's -- you don't get the sense that it's a city, you know, under siege or under
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threat, or at least you didn't. >> well, to go back to what you said earlier about the culture there and that it being kind of a cultural capital. you've also said that you think that that culture can be used sort of to fight against these terrorists. what did you mean by that? >> well, absolutely. so the work that i'm doing the film with tit's an issue to use culture as a weapon against terror. mali, again, it's a very poor country but incredibly rich when it comes to culture. ma lli is the birthplace of mus like the blues. incredible music, literature, education, timbuktu the city itself is a world treasure. and the mere fact that we might lose these treasures or allow them to fall victim to extremists and terrorists is something we really need to pay attention to. so it's important to know that,
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i'm chris jansing live in paris. midnight is approaching here. and these new pictures just in to msnbc that show the aftermath of the raid in saint-denis where the suspected ringleader was killed earlier this week. the power of the explosion and the gunfight. now i want to bring in usa today contributor who has been reporting here in paris about the healing that's taking place.
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i'm looking behind -- welcome back by the way. it's good to see you. extraordinary. it's almost midnight and you still have a constant flow of people. earlier today the rain was pouring down when you were here. people came as families, as couples. what's happening here? >> well, i believe that everybody is effected by what has taken place. and whether they have relative or a friend who has been targeted or victim of the attacks or not they want to join in the solidarity in paris because these attacks has effected all of us in paris and in france. people want to show their solidarity. they want to show their unity. despite the fears. the fears are here, they're real.
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>> because this was a different attack than "charlie hebdo" that was very specifically targeted. >> that's right. that's exactly right. "charlie hebdo" targeted satirical journalists, then the kosher grocery store. jewish institutions were potential targets. i live nearby charlie hebdo and it's a very jewish area, so there are jewish schools. and we have army soldiers who have been standing near, you know, in all institutions, schools and synagogues. and they have been here for months now. we got used to them. they are part of our decor now. but after these what will come? what will be -- what can wu do more? >> and how do you explain it to children? again, one of the things that struck me today in the pouring rain that families were coming
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hand in hand huddled under umbrellas. but what do you say in a situation like this? it's happened again. >> well -- >> you've had a very personal experience in your family. >> i had a very personal experience in my family. i think that everybody has had personal experience. look, i went to my kung fu class on thursday night and i met this lady who came in and she's an acupuncturist. she was called on whom by a lady she treats normally. and this lady called her saying i'm shaking, i'm shaking, please come and help me. but why are you shaking? she had lost five members of her family. so really i have nonstop met people who have been effected by these attacks. the children have seen it on the televisi television. how do you speak to children? it's very difficult as a parent. on the monday after the attack
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the kids went back to school. and the teachers didn't have them work. they put the pencils aside and they talked because talking is a healing process. and it is best done by people outside of the families. so they've had a very good role in doing this. it was incredible the old professionals i have a cousin who's a psychiatrist. she volunteered to go to -- spontaneously and showed up and said, yes, welcome, we need you. she's going to be receiving families. she even had to declare one family upon just hearing that one of the -- a second family member had just passed away. so, yes, it seems that everybody i meet everywhere in all circumstances are somehow effected directly. this is quite remarkable for paris.
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this is not what you would expect for hundreds of victims in a city that has 10,000 residents. >> and yet we see the city coming together night after night. >> yes. >> day after day. >> they are coming. we have had so many attacks. it's a way of mourning for them. the mourning process is very important. some, you know, placards read not afraid or not even scared, depending how you translate it. but i was speaking to a young lady and she said to me, oh, you know, not to be afraid to express yourself is one thing, but when a gunman points a weapon at your head, not even afraid is meaningless. this is just frightful. you have only words to defend yourself. >> and so we understand that there's a long process ahead. but the parisians, i think, at
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least the ones i have seen have been remarkable. that they say we are coming out here and elsewhere in defiance. maya, thank you so much. >> thank you, chris, for having me. >> i really appreciate it. >> and as we've been reporting, isis released a new video promising more attacks to come. joining me now to talk about that greg miller, national security correspondent for "the washington post." greg, good to see you. it seems like isis is putting out this kind of propaganda video every day, every other day, certainly fairly routinely. do western governments put much stock into this anymore? >> i think western governments and intelligence agencies actually pay very close attention to the propaganda that comes out of the islamic state. i mean, it's an important source of information about its agenda and its ambition. and i think that u.s. agencies including the cia scrutinize it very closely even just to try to assemble a roster of identities
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of fighters. >> is there anything else that they're looking for? what could possibly be gleaned from these videos? >> a lot. i mean, as i said, the u.s. and other governments are always trying to keep track of the identities of foreign fighters who have gone into syria because as paris showed last week fighters who go in and who come out pose a particularly worrisome threat. but they're also looking at what, you know, they can study these videos and other materials for the caliber of its military equipment and holdings. but also i think for locations. i mean, they're not just passively, you know, absorbing the twitter feed of the islamic state or the facebook postings or the videos on youtube. you know, the united states and other governments are trying to penetrate these communications of the islamic state and that accounts for some of the targeting of drone strikes that we've seen recently.
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>> do we know where these are coming from? is there one central place? is there a group within isis that is specifically their job essentially to put together these videos of propaganda unit per se? >> absolutely. and it's more than just a unit. i mean, it is an entire army. it is a propaganda army. and every district in the caliphate as the islamic state calls itself has a propaganda ministry or unit. and some of these have more than 100 people. and they are regarded with a high degree -- given a high degree of status. a story that we wrote about for this weekend in "the washington post" we talked to a number of islamic state defectors who were involved in the propaganda machine. they got better pay, better housing, better cars. they got cameras. they play an extraordinarily important role and are very high priority part of the islamic state. >> greg miller from "the washington post," fascinating stuff.
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apparently they're scared of widows and orphans coming into the united states of america as part of our tradition of compassion. first they were worried about the press being too tough on them during debates. now they're worried about 3-year-old orphans. that doesn't sound very tough to me. >> not the only time he's talked about it recently, but maybe president obama's most striking remarks overseas so far as the debate over what to do with syrian refugees here at home rages. joining us now former vermont governor and 2004 democratic presidential candidate howard dean. also with us former bush-cheney senior adviser robert trainham, now msnbc contributor. howard, i'm not going to set this up very much because i
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think most people know the back and forth that's been going on out there between the president and republicans. where do you see this going? >> not in a very good place of the republicans. what the republicans are selling is fear. as bill clinton showed hope almost always wins over fear. and the president's sticking to the principles that founded america and the republicans are trying to scare the hell out of everybody. and that doesn't work in the long-term. people can't imagine a president who's going to talk like the republicans have been talking in the last few days. >> and there's been some ba backlash about donald trump and his talk about creating a da database to track, he's been walking back those comments after facing serious backlash. what do you make of that? >> he should. because the comments are inappropriate. they're offensive. it goes back to world war ii when the nazis tried to round up the jews and put tattoos on them to identify them. it's unrealistic, unpatriotic and just plain wrong. >> but he hasn't shied away from
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saying things, frankly, that other people might argue are at least as offensive to some if not more offensive. so what do you make of this? and how would you tell candidates of your party to frame this argument? understanding that they're on understanding that they're on a different side of it than the president. >> i think we're on the same side and we want to keep america safe and we don't want innocent people to be killed and we want to defeat the terrorists. for that, we're all on the same side. a slightly disagree with dean, i really do think it's playing on people's emotions right now. as a leader, you have to lead and you have to be reasonable in these trying circumstances. but i think it's also realistic to be realistic about what the current situation is. so when the republicans candidates out there are saying, let's rethink our strategy here as it relates to isis and isil. that's a legitimate conversation to have with the american people. i don't think that's political,
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i think that's just being realistic. >> one of the things we're ti finding, this new poll is interesting. 56% of americans now disapprove of letting more syrian refugees into the u.s. is that a really tough argument that the president is making, and how should he frame it, howard? >> he should be making the argument. robert's right. there are core principles about america. there was a mayor from roanoke, virginia, who compared leaving the syrians out of the u.s. to the interment of the japanese american citizens during world war ii. this is nuts. this is a short-term strategy. it will be successful. peoplie will be upset and alarmed. steve jobs father was a syrian. you don't admit him, apple ends
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up somewhere else. the reasonable people who are talking about better scrutiny are getting drowned out by the donald trumps of the world and that as robert pointed out, is a huge problem for the republicans. >> thanks to both of you gentlemen. good to see you. >> thank you, great job anchoring. >> thank you. still ahead, what's on the horizon after the horrific acts that played out eight days ago here in paris? how parisians are moving forward, next. we call it share the love. during our share the love event, get a new subaru, and we'll donate $250 to those in need. bringing our total donations to over sixty-five million dollars. and bringing love where it's needed most. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. okay kids, let's go.. [coughing]
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i'm chris jansing back live in parents with "the daily beast's" chris dickey, who has lived in paris for more than 20 years. we've known each other for about 15 years. you've been going around this city that you've called home, taking pictures, making observations. where is paris now, eight days later? >> it's still in mourning.
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it's still stunned, and i'm still stunned when i go to these places. i make kind of a pilgrimage around to the different places, these sidewalk cafes that were hit, where people were mowed down by these kalashnikovs wielded by these lunatics and it's incredibly sad, and moving and in some ways inspiring. today, i was at one of these cafes, in a rain storm, protecting a candle from the rain. so she just stood there and it was tremendously moving. i don't know how france will rafr from this, but it's changed as a result. >> i got emotional watching families in the rain, scurrying across the street to be able to
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come to this memorial together. >> and bringing their children. >> yeah. small children today. >> and the children light the candles because their parents don't want them to forget this. they want them to participate in the moment in some ways. it's very sad, but it is in some ways inspiring. >> chris dickey, so good to see you. thank you for coming in, that's going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm chris jansing in paris. thank you for being with us. i'll see you back here tomorrow.
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