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experian credit tracker and take charge of your score. good afternoon, everyone. i'm joy reid coming to you from msnbc headquarters in new york. today we're awaiting election results from democratic nominating contests in three states. democrats in washington, alaska and hawaii are all holding
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caucuses today with 173 delegates on the line in today's round of voting. bernie sanders is looking to regain momentum in today's contests. he addressed a massive crowd of supporters at seattle's safeco field last night before moving on to campaign in wisconsin today. msnbc will bring you those caucus results as they come in. right now washington is still too early to call but we're still tracking today's big story, which is the ongoing investigation into tuesday's terrorist attacks in brussels. three suspects have been arrested and charged today in the attacks. one of the men, a man nbc news has identified as faycal chais cheffou is charged with three counts. he was one of several people detained by authorities thursday night in brussels. belgian media believe it's possible he may be the man pictured here on the right alongside the airport suicide bombers. nbc news has not been able to confirm that report. the family of justin shults has
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confirmed that he was among those killed during the attacks. ayman mohyeldin is in brussels. all right, ayman, what is the latest on the investigation. >> reporter: well, joy, that investigation obviously as you can imagine continues to develop by the day. today a ver significant development in the sense that the belgian federal prosecutor was the very first -- filed the very first charges, if you will, in connection with tuesday's terrorist attacks. those were filed against faycal cheffou. now, he is the first person connected to today's attacks. he has been charged with participating in a terrorist group, participating or carrying out terrorist assassination, which means murder, and attempted terrorist assassination which means attempted murder by american standards. in addition to that, two other individuals that were arrested in connection with other plots that were being carried out or
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planned were also charged with participating in a terrorist group, so three different individuals now being charged with terrorism-related activity, the most severe of them being faycal cheffou. other individuals have been released and one individual has been detained for another 24-hour period. a lot of moving pieces on that development front. in addition, they're working to identify the victims. the foreign ministry saying at least 11 different nationalities represented among those that were injured as well as those that are killed so it gives you a sense of the diversity and challenge they have in trying to identify those like we just heard from the family of jason schultz there confirming that in fact he's been killed. in addition to that, we've been spending a lot of time over the past several days talking to various members of the community
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about the challenges that belgium faces, particularly with the issue of radicalization and some of the problems, if you will, and solutions, possible solutions for the community. and that's for us we are now joined by someone who will talk about some of these challenges. i had a chance to spend some time yesterday in molenbeek during friday prayers and spoke to members of the community there about the issue of radicalization. one of the issues that came up that i asked him was about how somebody like salah abdeslam was able to evade capture and ultimately be found in that community. i asked him does not tell us anything or reveal anything to us about the community and the support network that existed. what would you say to that? >> what i would say about that is that it's normal that someone with a criminal record has a network and can find supports within his family, his
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relatives, his friends from his school time and this is something that can happen in any type of organized crime, that you can be able to hide for a while. when it becomes a little bit dangerous and when we put it on the community say that the community as such helps this person to be hidden for a period of four months and that becomes dangerous to think like that. >> let's talk a little bit about the community itself and the challenges that muslim belgian community faces here. you and i were talking about this earlier. how would you describe some of those challenges and why this phenomena has existed for belgium? it seems like belgium has provided a high number of foreign fighters, if you will. why do you think that has existed in this country? >> sadly, we have very bad records. we have 450 approximately guys to syria and iraq. for a country of 10 million, that's huge.
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it's very important in critical situations. but to understand the situation, i would say we have to understanding the perspective. the first is the defection. we have people here who have very strong difficulties to get a job, to get a good accommodation to go to very good schools. it doesn't justify anything but it can explain that we have a context where we have a social fabric which is very weak and people can feel that they're not really integrated from a socioeconomic perspective. the second part is that maybe in other countries in europe we have a sense of islamophobia that is rising. we have records of claims of islamophobia. people for a part have the feeling that they are not part of the society, not accepted as a muslim because you have the problem of the scarf, you have the problem of the worship at the workplace, you have a lot of
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problems which are not really the problem. and the third one is the connection we have with the international scene. what happens in syria or iraq or wherever we have the so-called -- will inevitably affect our country and so those three angles are able to put it in context. >> so what can i say in terms of -- what can the community say in terms of addressing these issues on its part. what can community leaders, imams and other leaders like yourself do to address these issues as the government? >> what we need to do is have strong connection with the governments. today the government is mostly working on security and assuring people that they are safe, which is true. we have to make sure that people feel safe in this country. but at the same time the government has to start a single track, which is collaborate with community leaders. make sure we have bridges with persons who can be relaying
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inside the society, inside the communities and to implement programs. those programs should be an empowering program and make sure that people have good vision of what they will be and what they want to be. in short term we won't see the results. we have to work for the next generation. >> it's going to be a long-term project. >> long term. >> okay, thank you very much for joining us. this is obviously a very difficult question. a lot of different answers. no clear solutions as of yet and this is certainly something the government and the community have to address not just in belgium but really hall across -- all across europe for that matter. so, joy, a lot of questions, a lot of difficult answers as well. back to you. >> absolutely. thank you so much ayman mohyeldin for that illuminating interview in brussels, belgium. thank you both. appreciate it. i want to bring in former cia officer jack rice in minneapolis. i hope you were able to hear that interview that ayman just did in brussels. he cited three reasons for the
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higher level of radicalization. just to put it in scale, we're talking 450 people that have gone to syria out of 10 million people in belgium, but it's still a higher percentage than other countries in europe. he cited socioeconomic, feeling alienated from society. does that square with what you know about how radicalization really begins? >> absolutely. this is exactly what we've seen within the united states and specifically coming to you from minneapolis. what we see right here in the twin cities is al shabab has been able to very successfully target and recruit young men to go and fight in somalia. we've seen almost two dozen of them. and specifically they're targeting exactly that very same group. so what you're hearing from this interview was exactly, i think, correct. the need for society there and frankly here is to address the security issues and to make sure we're safe. yes, that is absolutely
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required. and yet at the same time the longer term question is how do you reach into a community and make sure they understand they are part of the larger fabric. they are part of that society rather than alienated and separated from it. that's really the problem. because what you're seeing is not just a community, but then you're seeing typically this second and sometimes third generation. they're isolated from the community as a whole, but then they're confused and isolated from within that smaller community that they have themselves. and so they turn to whomever. and in some cases, it's isis. it's al shabab, it's -- isis is more able to do this than anybody else that we've ever seen. >> it's interesting that you talk about al shabab and the large community that's there in minnesota. we've talked about how people integrate. once they immigrate, they then
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integrate. they acquire an american identity, something europe has had a hard time doing. is there a risk that if the united states goes to that same sort of isolation of immigrant communities that they will be focused more about what's happening, let's say, in somalia if you're in the somali community rather than focusing on integrating into the community where you live? >> it's a great point and an excellent series of questions. it's exactly the problem. frequently what we have seen, especially in the latest political rhetoric we're seeing in the presidential campaign is this idea of what we're going to do is just get tough. the idea is we're going to light up the sand, we're going to carpet bomb, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. that frankly feeds into the narrative that frequently these young men and sometimes women too, but frequently young men are actually buying into. and it's actually the very arguments that isis is actually making throughout the world to say understand, in the united states, in western europe, this is how they see us. you don't believe me?
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let me show you a clip, and they will literally just drop in something they have shown in brussels, something they have shown in paris and absolutely something we've seen in the united states. >> jack, what role does intimidation play? you hear accusations from people like donald trump where people weren't turning people in if they know a plot is going on, inside communities like in belgium. even if somebody had an inkling that a neighbor or somebody was involved in something, is there intimidation going on within these isolated communities? >> they can see that. again, we've seen this right here in the twin cities where if there's this perception amongst some of the younger generation, this second and third generation, that what happens is they see something unusual. if what you see in society and from the majority population that these people are nothing short of terrorists, then the idea that you would actually turn against one of your own turns you into a traitor of sorts. you see, that's part of the problem here is what we need to do is reconsider what we do. reconsider what it is that we say and really understand that
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the best way to keep us safe as a whole is to understand that we are a tapestry of people and we come from all places in the world. when we bring everybody in, they are part of the united states. they are part of minnesota, they are part of new york, they are part of miami. and frankly from a european standpoint, the french and the belgians frequently have isolated some of these groups, so as you've said it yourself, you can be second and third generation and not even be seen as french. well, guess what, if you're not seen as french and you're not seen as syrian and you're not seen as iraqi, what are you? well, guess what, you might be just seen as isis. how's that? >> brilliantly said. former cia officer jack rice in minnesota. thank you very much, sir. appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, we'll get the latest results from the democratic caucuses in the state of washington. but before we go to break, it is cherry blossom season in washington, d.c. take a look at these beautiful flowers that reached peak bloom yesterday.
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we now return to politics here in the u.s. as democratic voters of caucusing in washington state, alaska and hawaii today. with the doors in washington just closed, nbc news says washington is still too early to call, but bernie sanders does have an early lead. washington is the biggest prize today with 118 delegates up for grabs. last night bernie sanders greeted a crowd of 15,000 from the pitcher's mound of safety field. a sign of strength for the senator as he fights to pick up more state wins and close the delegate gap with front-runner hillary clinton. now, past winners in the democratic caucuses in the evergreen state are barack obama, john kerry and al gore. msnbc's cal perry is live at west seattle high school. all right, cal, what can you tell us? >> reporter: this was a very full school just about two hours
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ago. the doors are now shut and people are headed home. this the day before easter, people happy to get this over with early in the day. you mentioned bernie sanders coming off the momentum of that huge rally at safeco field last night here in downtown seattle of the 15,000 people turning out for that rally. in fact the organizers of that rally had to start it late trying to get as many people through those turnstiles as they could. he's trying to keep this momentum as we goes through the northwest. the next stop for him will be wisconsin, hoping today, certainly the campaign is hoping today will provide some delegate defense against hillary clinton. she's got about a thousand more delegates to get until she can lock down the nomination. if he can win at sort of a 2-1 or 3-1 margin here in washington, which according to his campaign is in play, they think they're doing very well here. this is a very liberal state. where i am here in west seattle is a liberal section of that liberal state. if they can do that, joy, if they can win sort of at a 2-1 or 3-1 margin, that should carry
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him some momentum going into wisconsin and perhaps make the convention an interesting one. >> and of course the campaign then tries to go on to wisconsin. is that what the campaign is essentially saying, they're going to stick to the states that are more friendly in terms of being more liberal, in terms of being obviously whiter states? >> absolutely, because they want those pictures, that tv video of huge crowds. madison, wisconsin, is another one of those stops along the bernie sanders road. that's another one of those places where you have a young base, an excited base, a college town, a very liberal place. so you can expect that he's going to go and do that today. he'll be there tomorrow as well, we understand. not taking a break for easter like some of the other candidates. trying to carry this momentum into the next week. >> cal perry in seattle, washington. thank you very much, appreciate it. joining me now from washington is joel connelly, reporter for the seattle post intelligencer. tell us what it is about washington state.
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cal did mention the fact that it's quite a liberal state. is this one that hillary clinton has ever had any chance of winning? >> the clintons courted washington state from 1991 until 2008 when barack obama blew away hillary. it now appears that even though it's weeks away from the start of the wildfire season, the state is doing a burn. i've been getting reports from around the state. senator sanders is running very, very well. i imagine the clintons would have had a little better chance had hillary gone places other than mansions for very pricey fund-raisers. she's had one public event in the state ft last eight years. the view of her we normally get is somebody jumping into an suv, which goes roaring out of the sight, rather than somebody sitting and listening and holding any public events. >> very interesting. and let's talk a little about the demographics there in washington state. is it a largely blue collar democratic vote? is it white collar?
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are we talking about a heavily collegiate vote? talk a little about the makeup of the democratic electorate in that state. >> increasingly liberal. we used to be blue collar lunch bucket democrats. my dad was a machinist at a ship yard and perhaps exemplified them. now we have an enormous influx of high tech workers, notably amazon, microsoft, various places are world headquartered here. we are an increase league hispanic state. about 12% of the population is hispanic. significant native american, about 100,000 in that constituency. so again, increasingly diverse community of what used to be pretty much blue collar. >> and what about the impact of the 2008 -- 2007-2008 recession. obviously in rust belt states that were hit hard by really going back to the reagan era, the diminution of factory work
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made those sanders friendly states. is there a similar economic pull toward the sanders message in washington state? >> it's a twofold pull. some of our timber towns and manufacturing towns were really hurting. the technology belt around seattle is booming, but the boom does not extend outward too far. secondly, during the course of the great recession, our legislature, run by democrats, incidentally, jacked up tuition for the college students again and again and again, and that part of the sanders message, the free tuition in state universities and so on, has really resonated with young people. >> and what about the tax message, because i've heard a lot of democratic strategists will tell you that while sanders is really popular, one of the reasons that his negatives don't go up is people don't really talk about the tax increase message. there are places around the country where any message about tax increases will be very unpopular. is washington state that kind of a state? >> the clinton campaign tried an
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attack against sanders. he is the one democrat in the senate caucus to oppose the export-import bank which guarantees financing for u.s. products being sold overseas. very heavily used by the boeing company. and it supports about 83,000 jobs in this state. but that issue did not resonate too well and bernie has generally stayed away from taxes, away from trade issues here. has doubled down on citizens united, has doubled down on the corrupt political system part of his message. in fact it's kind of funny, at both of the big rallies in the first week, i have not heard mention of trade. >> very interesting. thank you for all that great information about washington state, joe connelly in seattle. thank you very much, sir. >> thank you. when we come back, we will take a look at the democratic caucuses happening today in hawaii and alaska. and we'll ask are caucuses the key for bernie sanders? stay with us. a number.
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democratic presidential nomination. 35 delegates are at stake in the aloha state. meanwhile democrats in alaska where 20 delegates are up for grabs begin their caucus -- began their caucus about two hours ago. the last time alaskan voters were polled was in january and the results showed bernie sanders neck in neck with hillary clinton. but coming off his big caucus wins in utah and idaho on tuesday, which were won by nearly 60 points, sanders is expected to do well with the caucus format today. still, sanders trails clinton by 710 delegates, including the supers, and the nominee is eventually going to need 2,383 delegates to win. so beth, we were just talking on the break between the difference between now and 2008, when hillary clinton also ran all the way to the end hoping to close about 100-delegate gap with barack obama. what is different then to now? >> well, many differences, but
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one of the key ones was there were several caucuses that took place in february. of course then senator obama's caucus strategy really delivered him the nomination that year. his folks very wisely figured out that you could glean more delegates out of caucuses and spending less money than pouring tons and tuons of money into bi states and not getting the necessary delegates that he needed and didn't want to spend that money anyway in a place like pennsylvania where it was going to cost $20 million to advertise. why not go to idaho for a fraction of the cost. this time it's different because the whole calendar is switched around. now secretary clinton running against bernie sanders has built up a formidable lead in a number of big states. we're getting into this caucus period where sanders will do what we've seen him do well pretty much everywhere, but it's pretty much too late at this point. it's not insurmountable for sanders to come back, but it's pretty tough. >> isn't it the case, we have today and we can put up the delegate counts of what's available n alaska, 20
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delegates, hawaii 35, washington 118. even if it weren't proportional and bernie sanders won them all, he still wouldn't close -- and he got all those delegates together combined, he wouldn't catch up with her. even if she gets 20% of the delegates today, he doesn't close the gap enough? >> it's going to be really hard for him to close the gap. think about the momentum issue that is so important in campaigns, as you know. even if he doesn't win the delegates that he needs, they're going into wisconsin a week from tuesday, which is as you know a very, very proud, progressive state. lots of college students. it's going to be very receptive to his message. then on to the northeast. there's contests a couple of weeks later, new york, connecticut, all sorts of places where he's typically done very, very well in the northeast, although she's represented new york in the senate so she's got a good stake here too. so senator sanneders has a good chance of winning a lot of these contests. can he make up the delegate
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count? probably not but he's going to have the momentum. >> he hinted first of all they're going to go all the way but he's explaining what in his view is his path to the nomination. let's take a listen. >> when we began, we were 3% in the polls, 70 points behind hillary clinton. yesterday a national poll came out, we're 1 point up. i believe that if we win here in washington, we're going to win in california. we are going to win in oregon, and we've got a real path toward victory to the white house. >> now, we know that caucuses are a huge part of the sanders strategy. he obviously does better than hillary clinton in those caucuses, they're smaller delegate counts, but gives him that momentum and california being the key there in what you just heard him say. that's the big delegate haul. in theory the path that bernie
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sanders would need to win all these little caucus states but use the momentum for that to have another big significant 65-35 victory in california? >> that is the theory, but let's face it, it's still a very tall order. he has to win 58% to 60% of all the remaining contests to surmount where she is and that doesn't even count the super delegates where she's so far ahead he can't catch up there. but 60% of all the remaining contests, pretty hard to do. in california, he's a little disingenuous there. catch is not the same demographics and washington and oregon. it is far more diverse. it has more hispanic voters, black voters, other people of color than white voters. that is not the crowd that he does well with. he does well in states that have primarily white voters. >> and isn't that a problem until terms of the general election for bernie sanders, because as you look at a state like new york, a state like pennsylvania, a state like california, three big primary states, not caucus states, but that he would need to win in
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order to get the nomination, the fact that he hasn't been able to eat into the minority vote, whether it's hispanics or african-americans, a big problem. >> he has to do better with people of color to have any chance at all in november. she's got problems too. she's not getting these huge crowds. she doesn't have the enthusiasm that he has. she has famously bad problems with younger voters. there's a big, big problems that she faces too going into november, which is why quite frankly the clinton campaign must be so thrilled to see the mess going on on the republican side because at this point it's really hard to see americans electing anybody out of that race, it's gone so far into the swamp that it has. >> it's going to be really interesting to see how this winds of ending because at some point they're going to have to merge these two very campaigns together, the more white sort of youthful sanders campaign and the more sort of rich with people of color and obviously larger numerically hillary clinton campaign. really appreciate it. after the break, we will take a look at the latest and
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by now you've no doubt heard about the story in the "national enquirer" claiming that senator ted cruz has had multiple extramarital affairs with various women. cruz has categorically denied the allegations. this is kind of a lengthy clip but i think it's worth playing in full what cruz said yesterday in response to the "enquirer" in which he turned the tabloid allegations into an attack on donald trump. take a listen. >> as donald trump demonstrated, that when he's scared, when he's losing, his first and natural resort is to go to sleaze and to go to slime. and one question americans are wondering all over this country is how low will donald go. is there any level to which he is unwilling to stoop? and to date we have not seen -- >> donald trump has denied having any role in floating the story, saying in a statement,
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quote, i have absolutely nothing to do with it and did not know about it. two of the women rumored to be among those unproven affairs have also said the allegations are entirely false. let's bring in republican strategist, john carlo and joining me from jacksonville, florida, fer nand. let's talk about whether or not these allegations end up hurting ted cruz or wind up hurting donald trump. >> i think they hurt both of them and hurt the party in the process. there are many of us who look at the two front-runners and wonder if either will be the standard bearer heading into november. what's that going to do for our party, our brand, the down ticket. >> which one is more dangerous to the prospects of the republican party in the fall? for different reasons they have electability issues. which do you think has more electability issues? >> if you want to game it out, you can say has donald trump or whoever is launching these
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attacks against ted cruz planted enough of a seed of a doubt that moral conservatives, the right wing, if you will, would stay home. we saw this with george w. bush after the dui in 2000 and the question is, is he tard just by the rehabilitation, irrespective of whether or not they're true. so i would say it probably hurts cruz more. i don't think anyone is surprised that donald trump has taken this tack. if you're a donald trump supporter, i don't think you think less of him because of this. in light of all of the things that have gone on during the course of the campaign. i would say that it probably hurts cruz a bit more, but let's just hope that it's all water are under the bridge in november. >> donald trump is sporting a 70% unfavorable rating with women. typically men vote for the republican party by and large. very few democrats actually outright, particularly men, but women is a problem. isn't that a catastrophic number for the electability of donald trump in november? >> not only is it catastrophic,
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joy, i just don't see how donald trump can get beyond those type of firggures. just when you thought this primary for the republicans couldn't get any stranger, weirder or sink any lower, now it's the real housewives of the gop primary. i think ted cruz is obviously the big loser here. first and foremost, he tried that kind of tough guy act calling donald a sniveling coward. i think his best bet would have come out to say, hey, do i like the kind of guy that could score one, let alone five miss tresz? i think that would have put an end to the debate and we could have moved on because this hurts ted cruz playing these gutter politics when i've had so many folks telling me looking at the both of them, pocks on both of their houses. i think john kasich may be the winner here. >> you're a cruel man, a very, very cruel man. >> i was going to use that line but i have to work in republican politics. there's no way i could have pulled it off. >> we're having a good laugh at poor ted cruz's expense here,
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brittany. in the end, hasn't that an secured a rather important fact, which is on policy matters, ted cruz might actually in some ways have just as many or more problems as donald trump? take a listen to what ted cruz said he would do on his very first day in office when he would be president of the united states. >> if i am elected president, let me tell you about my first day in office. the first thing i intend to do is to rescind every illegal and unconstitutional executive action taken by barack obama. the next thing i intend to do is instruct the department of justice to open an investigation into these videos and to prosecute planned parenthood for any criminal violations. >> i mean, brittany, if we're talking about the possibility that that guy could woo five, not one, but five ladies, isn't he better off than if we're talking about what he would do were he president with regard to women's liberties? >> look, i don't have any sympathy for ted cruz or donald trump. both of these men have participated in this sexism that is deeply troubling to the
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party, deeply troubling to american politics in particular. also, though, donald trump just a couple of months ago was saying we shouldn't trust hillary clinton because she stayed with a man who committed marital infidelity. but donald trump himself has a history of marital infidelity while he's making these accusations about ted cruz. so part of this means that they are showing us the thing that ted cruz is also telling us in his policy rhetoric, which is we can't trust that they care about women's issues. they see women as ornamental, they see women as trophies. they see women's role as people who make their stock go up as men. >> britney, trump says he loves the women. he says he loves the women. >> yes, he loves -- >> nobody has more respect for women than donald trump. >> he loves women for what they can do for him and the ways in which they bring him pleasure and the ways in which they make him seem like a very viral man as he's talking about the size of his genitals an things of that nature. but nothing has to do with caring about women as valuable
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parts of the body politics and as citizens. >> i was just going to say certainly donald trump has done nothing to disabuse people of the things but i am going to defend senator cruz here. you might be at odds with some of his policies. >> all of them. >> you might think some of the policies that he espouses i would never use the word sexist but i think he has comported himself dmisadmirably in this. >> fermand, do women voters vote on the basis of protecting planned parenthood? is that still a sail yengt issue for women voters in 2016? >> do they think it's an attack on policies that women are concerned about? i don't know if it's specifically around planned parenthood as much as it is is it a candidate, in this case a candidate for president, that represents what they feel is someone who would be hostile to women and women voters. i think in that regard they have a good bs detector or good detector of someone who says, yes, this one is against our
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interests. i think, yeah, it's a problem and it's a concern for women going forward. but again, when you look at this, the woman who is ultimately laughing all the way to the election, maybe the white house, is hillary clinton. these clips are just being collected. they're going into the clinton archive for 2016 and it's more grist for the mill and i think hurts further and further the republican brand. i think that's why this concern over trump continues to grow and grow by the day. >> isn't that the big concern, gian-carlo, that you do have hillary clinton, who's got some challenges in terms of generating enthusiasm among parts of the base. she has 8.5 million, it's not like no one is enthusiastic, but going into the fall could there be a better bounty for hillary clinton, whether it's ted cruz or donald trump, someone who's perceived as someone not friendly for women. >> i think there's a big difference between how you comport yourself. if you comport yourself in a sexist, misogynist way, as i would argue donald trump has flirted with in this campaign, versus having conservative social policies, be it the
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bedrock of your ideological platform, those are different postures. >> but those conservative social policies are sexist and we should be able to say that. this attack on planned parenthood has been clearly discredited, as trumped up by the center for medical progress. we know that it is not the values proposition of the right, it is based on lies. that is sexist, that is not rooted in protecting women's health care and women's right to make good health care decisions. >> i just disagree. there are plenty of women who agree with that policy. >> and those women and i will say very clearly as a woman, those women are misguided and not thinking about women who are not like this 'em. poor women of color who need access to the services that planned parenthood provides. >> let me go to a bedrock issue. the republican party did come out with an autopsy report in 2012 saying that it cannot win with its current base alone. i'll go to fernand to you first. are there enough white male voters for the republican party
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to win if in fact they cannot win 40% of women? >> well, the numbers suggest that they are not, but i think the real question is how high can donald trump go? we've seen certainly throughout the democratic primary, joy, hillary clinton has a problem with white male democratic voters in the sense that bernie sanders when going head-to-head with hillary is logz those voters by a big margin. she'll have to make up that gap and show this is maybe an issue in the primary and not so much in the general. i just don't think donald trump can bank on an ethnically polarized candidacy that only appeals to one segment of the electorate and writes off hispanic voters, african-american voters and asian voters. it's a bank shot hail mary type strategy. i just don't think it's enough for him. >> i want to play an anti-trump ad that i think if played in the general election would be devastating with trump being the nominee and get your thoughts on it. let's take a look. >> you know, it really doesn't matter what they write as long as you've got a young and beefl
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piece of [ bleep ]. >> that must be a pretty pictu e picture, you dropping to your knees. >> there was blood coming out of her eyes. there was blood coming out of her -- wherever. >> women. you have to treat them like [ bleep ]. >> if donald trump is the nominee of your party, is there any getting around that? >> i don't see how. i mean he said those things and i think he said them mostly in recent memory. and i think that that will send most any independent-mindinged or undecided female voter into one voter. >> even if the woman would normally be a conservative and republican voter action doesn't that jeopardize their votes for your party. >> i would suggest there are many conservative voters and seeing that makes me sick. i wouldn't support a man or woman would espouse those beliefs. >> and therein lies the problem and conundrum for your party. thank you always for being here. appreciate it. up next, we will talk to moral monday's leader reverend
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introducing wifi pro, wifi that helps grow your business. comcast business. built for business. as democrats head to caucuses in hawaii, alaska and washington state, we can now report that alaska is too early to call. washington state is also too early to call. but bernie sanders has a commanding early lead in both states. meanwhile on wednesday, north carolina enacted one of the country's most draconian anti-lgbt loss, one that will prevent cities and counties from passing their own laws to prohibit discrimination. state lawmakers called a special session solely to overturn the city of charlotte's new anti-discrimination ordinance which allowed transgender residents to use the restroom
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that fits their gender identity. now, on the surface this law seems to only target north carolina's lgbt community. however, there are concerns being raised about other aspects of the law that could have significant negative effects on wages and employment for everyone living in the state. joining me now is reverend william barber, president of the north carolina naacp and the author of "the third reconstruction, moral mondays, fusion politics and the rise of a new justice movement." reverend, thank you so much for being here the day before easter, i know you're preparing for services. we know already just from the reporting that the north carolina bill does three things, one of which is to ban individuals from using public rest rooms that don't correspond to their gender stated on their birth certificate, one is to block cities from allowing transgender individuals to use public bathrooms for the sex they identify with and declares that the state overrides all ordinances concerning wages, employment and public accommodations. on that third point, you pointed
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out to me earlier this morning and the reason we wanted you here, you pointed out there is more to it. what more is there? >> you know, joy, and i have to be here before i go to the pulpit on easter because last week during holy week when we ought to be focusing on love, justice and mercy, our legislature under the false guys of evangelical more at and conservatism passed a bill that is laced with racism, discrimination and let me tell you what your audience don't know. this bill now makes it illegal for a city or county to require contractors to pay more than a minimum wage. and to require that people who contract with them also give certain kinds of benefits, i.e. sick leave and other things, to their workers. secondly, this bill also makes it -- nullifies the ability for a citizen based on age, based on sex, based on handicap
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disability, race or color to bring a employment discrimination case in state court, in state court. and this law also takes away that ability. and so what it means is in north carolina now, you can no longer bring an employment discrimination case in state court, you have to go to federal court, which means it's harder for working poor people. they can't file in the courthouse in their county. this bill is a form of fear and jim crowism. it's really the negative side of fusion politics. they used the transgender, that's bad enough, and the lgbt community, but then they slipped in these attacks on the working poor, the disabled, women, people of color. it is just bad and unholy and immoral what they have done with this bill. >> and just to rerack that for folks, i want to put that graphic back up if we could,
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please, the three additional provisions. in addition to going after transgender people, ability to go to the public restroom, it prevents any local government from on its own enacting its own minimum wage for itself. they cannot enact a minimum wage for their city and local governments cannot require contractors to have certain employment practices so prevents paid sick leave and prevents lawsuits. individuals can no longer sue over employment or public acombination discrimination. that's extraordinary, reverend barber. have you ever seen a law like that passed? has anything like that ever been enacted in your state? >> you have to go back to jim crow days. but it's an old tactic. if the white southern strategy where you use fear, you use racism and homophobia and cause people to vote against their own self-interest. joy, even if you are discriminated based on religion,
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they have now nullified the ability for you to file a state discrimination case. now, one of the things that concerns us, and this is where we're going to have to learn some of us in the so-called progressive community, the business community is in uproar about the attack on the lgbt transgender and we are too and you should be. but we should have been in an uproar when this legislature passed the worst voter oppression law and worth redistricting law because that's what allowed these legislators to get in office in the first place that are now passing these attacks on the lgbt community, on sick people, on voting rights, on the unemployed. we have to understand how this all connects. it is sinister, it is shrewd on their behalf and we have to become very wise in the way in which we talk about this. so this is a bad bill for the lgbt transgender community. it's a racist bill, it's full of classism, it's discriminatory. we ought to be resisting it
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legally. we ought to be resisting it electorally and resisting through civil disobedience. by the way, political civil disobedience. i think counties should go ahead and pass bills to raise the minimum wage and force the state to take them to court, because this is bad law. this is bad law and we need to recognize it. if it's happening here in north carolina, the goal is to use this as a place just like they did the voter suppression, to see if they can spread it around the country. >> absolutely. reverend william barber, thank you for pointing this out. this is fusion politics in reverse, using a bill that ostensibly just targeted the lgbt community to go after low wage workers and individuals in a very broad economic sense. thank you so much, reverend william barber, for bringing us this story. we really appreciate it. >> god bless you. >> and happy easter. thank you all for watching. i will back again tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern. coming up next, live election coverage with ari melber. stay with msnbc, the place for politics.
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