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letter's army was marching i wouldn't advise you major trying to invade. well that's the new york attitude and yes senator cruz the new york reality. new york values, i'll take them any day mr. country mouse over what you're selling. that's hardball for tonight. >> are you the boss's boss now? >> the man with the plan to save donald trump with a contested convention speaks. >> i work directly for the boss. >> as colorado slips away. >> we don't expect one delegate. >> trump gets back up in new york. >> you have not heard the last of carl. >> as the former president backtracks. >> i almost want to apologize. >> bernie and hillary sweep the unqualified talk under the rug. >> she's qualified? >> of course. >> a reminder this democratic race is a whole lot nicer. >> i want to see that picture of her. >> all that and donald trump's courageous stand against pandering.
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>> she hasn't been in subway for 20 years. the picture of her riding around. it's call pandering. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. this state is the center of the political universe. on april 19th, 95 delegates at stake. does ted cruz's big triumph in wisconsin on tuesday feel like it happened a long, long time ago. in the mere three days, cruz had been flipped off on the cover of the new york daily news. had to cancel a visit to a charter school. got heckle and shouted down in the bronx with people demanding his visa. donald trump declared the april equivalent has been welcomed home as the favorite son.
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a perfect vessel for a brand of northeast republicanism. casting himself as the defender of the state's collective honor. >> remember he started lecturing me on new york values like we're no good. like we're no good. i started talking to him about the world trade center, the bravery, the incredible bravery of everybody. our police, our firemen. >> trump rolled out his new york leadership team and local endorsements. his 2010 candidate for dpoef. -- governor. beating his favorite candidate in the primary. >> i've never run for office before. i'm an outsider. i'm not politically correct, and
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i don't want to be. i think you're seeing the difference between me and my competitors. one wants to clean up albany with a whisk broom. the other might even use a map. i'll clean out albany with a baseball bat. >> he would claim baseball bat is metaphor for the people. he ran into some trouble when a news site said he had a history of forwarding racist and sexist e-mail claims. he went onto lose by 30 points but went out with a highly memorable concession speech. >> i promised to bring baseball bat to albany. here it is.
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you can bring the people with you to albany. your can leave it untouched and run the risk of having it wielded against you. make no mistake, you have not heard the last of carl paladino. >> fact check, true. with trump's candidacy, that prediction is now being made a reality. he's been drumming up support across new york state e-mailing republican lawmakers. this is our last question that you join trump for president and try to preserve what's left of your pathetic careers in government. the bus is leaving the station very soon. get on or you'll be left behind. what new york is teaching ted cruz is trump's law and order faux tough guy, not especially didn't come out of a vacuum.
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long island congressman peter cane no big fan of trump spelled out cruz' challenge yesterday. >> any new yorker who even thinks for voting for ted cruz should have their head examined. ted cruz with his cowboy boots walking around criticizing us. i hope he gets the cold shoulder and everything. >> the real problem is many of the states coming up on the primary calendar share a similar profile. analysis of trump supporters by the upshot says he's strongest among republican who is are less likely to turn out the vote. his very best voters are self-identified republican who is are registered as democrats. they put together a heat map showing where trump has the most support. many of the reddest areas have yet to hold a primary. april 26th, connecticut,
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delaware, maryland, pennsylvania, rhode island. may 10th, west virginia, trump's best state and june 7th, new jersey with a grand total of 352 delegates available. all those states mean trump still has a real path to the nomination. there's been so much head ratching. i understand some of it. to me, who grew up in new york, it doesn't seem that remote at all. it's very certain kind of sort of northeast big city republicanism. >> absolutely. what's why you had rudy giuliani quasi endorsement. it's very, it's very much more about ethos. rudy giuliani was a very moderate republican.
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carl had this hetero domt approach. it's not the most right wing agenda you could come up with by any stretch. this baseball bat ethos has a home. >> that's exactly. the republicans i grew up, bronx republicans. it's like you're with the kops -- cops and not the thugs. you're against the liberal elite as a culture matter. you don't like property tax or tax increases, but you don't have any particular views on the welfare state. nor do you feel animated about evangelical fervor or social issues. that's what's in his wheel house. >> it's something weirdly european about this secular nationalism, comfortable in cities but who are these elite guys. we're seeing all this new york values junk. cruz throwing that out there. trump objecting.
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>> we accept the consequences. >> we don't want to be there and support him. that's new york values. >> those kids saying our parents are undocumented. we come from families that are undocumented. you've also got the situation to me where part of what's happening here is there's two things at play. one is, geography is momentum. were you in state that's good for you? yeah, wisconsin was good for cruz in many ways. >> donald trump does not do well in plain states.
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he does well in the south and northeast. people google racial slurs that correlates with people donald trump doing well in primaries. >> part of connection to that is in places like kansas and utah, which are almost entirely white, trump does poorly. what's also fascinating is the delegate rules of the republican party end up massively bumping up the value of the voters in districts like the 5,000 republicans that might end up voting in the bronx because that's a congressional district the same way the waukesha county is.
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>> that's why ted cruz is showing up in the bronx. >> and john kasich. >> yeah, i thought that ted cruz in the bronx was funny. >> those people are not registered republicans. i don't think ted cruz is likely to come anywhere close to carrying that bronx congressional district. the thing with what he's up to new york and letting himself have pies smashed in his face, the way the delegate rules in new york are structured, it
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matters a lot to get over 50%. the state turns winner take over. the ressiol districts winner take off if you get over 50. cruz doesn't want to win new york. knows he's not going to win new york. if he and kasich can combine, they can deny donald trump delegates he very much needs. he needs to come close to convention.w york before >> he's the minister who is there with cruz with 75 other ministers and about ten cruz supporters. >> this guy,altr gone around talking about mexico sending rapist and muslim ban who comes from the most diverse city ie country. he's not getting the rude --
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somehow he fits more in this very diverse kos kos moe poll -- >> the people call up sports talk radio, not for nothing mike. they talk about momentum. those are the same people who love trump. >> thank you very much. still to come, is it possible that both parties on the way to nominating the least popular candidate. the last couple days of democrat the 2008 contest was way worse. we'll play through some of the highlights, ahead.
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whatever it is you civilians do when you're not thinking about car insurance. there's only one thing that matters when it comes down to who gets the republican presidential nomination. it's not how many people show up at your rallies. it's not how many people vote for you. it's how many delegates you can lock up. donald trump's diy campaign has struggled with. now he's started to try to do something about it installing long time gop operative to manage the campaign's delegate operation. he appears to be asserting control of the campaign at the expense of his hard charging campaign manager. this morning he made clear he does not report to lewendowski, the man running the campaign. >> are you the boss's boss now? >> i work directly for the boss.
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>> you only listen to trump. >> one man's voice is louder than everybody's house. >> after his big loss in wisconsin tuesday, his path to the 1237 he needs to secure the nomination is far from smooth. he's confident trump will get there. >> this convention process will be over in june, probably june 7th. it will be apparent to the world that trump is over the 1237 number. at that point in time, when it is apparent, everything will come together. >> you think trump gets to 1237. >> before the convention? >> absolutely. >> why to confidence? >> because i know the votes. >> maybe. the trump delegate operation isn't helping. trump critic tim miller tweeted that trump's team is sending e-mails to their washington, d.c. list asking people to be delegates in washington state. just in case anyone from trump team happens to be watching, here is a helpful map.
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they sent it not just to the wrong people but two days past the deadline. as bad as that is, and it's pretty bad, it's nothing compared to the trump failures in colorado where all delegates are selected by district and state conventions and with they have been badly out organized. cruz has won the 18 delegates and he may be poised for a clean sweep. the trump operation in colorado is being run by this guy, patrick davis, who just started on the job. that's because lewandowski fired a young operative who has been in charge of the campaign. because he had been commune indicating with manafort after lewandowski told him not to. >> started in that role on wednesday. >> what's it been like? >> it's been like drinking from a fire hose.
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our expectations are very low. we don't expect one delegate. if we get one, that's a win for trump in colorado. >> those expectations are appropriate. >> those are very appropriate expectations. i have attended five of those conventions. there's one last night. the key to winning the conventions is you try to submit three and whip your supporters to voting for just those three. they put forward a list of three delegates last night and two of them weren't even on the ballot. they failed to pay the fees to get on there. it's a pretty basic misunderstanding that meant there wasn't a lot of potential to get any delegates. cruz swept it. when i talked to the trump would be delegates they said the same thing. they've had next to no input.
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they don't know who they're talking to or dealing with. some of them complain that mr. baker, who was fired earlier had, as far as they knew, never set foot in the state. they never heard from him. there's a lot profbs throughout. it's not as surprising that cruz is sweeping the state. you see the scale of trying to start this late and the problems that arise. this is a problem not just in colorado, but nothing that will follow trump in a will the of states including places where he's already won the delegates but he needs to make sure he selects loyals one so they back him if we ended up in a contested convention. biggest is arizona where cruz is out organizing trump and winning a will the of delegates.
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they're going to pick the delegates to the convention. trump is trying to wake up late to this, but the challenge is pretty severe. >> that's a fascinating report from colorado. thank you very much. joining me now msnbc political analyst, robert costa. what do you make of the manafort coming in and is this all starting too late? >> manafort's trying to do something very difficult at this state. he's trying to get the trump operation working effectively at the state conventions and moving forward into the northeast and other states that are coming up in late april, may and june. he's dealing with a different type of reporter. his base is highly organized and engaged. manafort has to get disengaged populous republicans organized.
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>> this is the limitations of the unconventional campaign. they have 100 employees compared to 800 for clinton. they spent very little money. there's not the basic infrastructure of an organize and that is kind of what you get. it seems like a senate campaign. trump has opinion running a national promotional exercise. an advertising campaign that earned not so much through paid advertising. now we turn to this game of inches versus this long game of yards. that incremental game is why manafort is coming in. he was involved in 76. close to bob doyle in the 1996
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campaign. he knows how this works. >> he's the ceo of campaign that needs to do x, y and z. get the right people in place the get the properly slated group on a ballot in the colorado congressional district. you wonder if this affects the perception of the brand of trump. >> that is how you define the trump brand. the way he came out not through some human resources search. it was through a conversation
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trump had with roger stone, his former advisor. he recommended his long time friend to the job. trump, just on instinct went along with that in mid-march. here we are in essence a co-manager of the campaign. >> all the reporting thus far unless things change make me think the odds of trump managing to come out of the convention keep going down. to the extent the people -- it's going to matter to be in the room where it happens. to the extent the people are folk who is are not loyal to donald trump, it's going to be hard to overcome that. >> the only asterisk is there's a lot of time between now and the convention. trump could have a strong late april with new york and then you go into states like pennsylvania and maryland. maybe he does well in indiana and in may does well in california.
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she didn't. you are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. >> in philadelphia yesterday, bill clinton got pretty heated with some black lives matter protester who were criticizing the clinton, in particular, bill clinton's crime bill. today he sounded remorseful or almost remorseful for yesterday's remarks. >> i did something yesterday in philadelphia, i almost want to apologize for it, but i want to use it as example of the danger threatening our country. i'd rather vigorously defend my wife as i'm one to do. i realized, finally, i was talking past her the way she was talking past me. we got to stop that in this country. we got to listen to each other again. >> now, an entire movie could be made about bill clinton's relationship to various hillary clinton political campaigns. yesterday was not the first time he's created some controversy in his role as surrogate for his wife.
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eight years ago when hillary clinton was fighting for the nomination against barack obama, bill clinton portrayed his candidacy this year. >> i am a great speecher. this whole thing is a biggest fairy tale i've ever seen. >> those remarks hurt hillary clinton in south carolina that held its primary a few weeks later. that's a taste of the acrimony. a little historical reminder of what real nastiness looks like, ahead. to arrive. and with her, a flood of potential patients. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris. all on account...of penelope. but with the help of at&t, and a network that scales up and down on-demand, this hospital can be ready. giving them the agility to be flexible & reliable.
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call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. at one point in this campaign there were 23 candidates. think about that for a second. nearly two dozen people running for president. more than the number of nfl players, 22, allowed on a football field during a game. there's five left. only two of them have net favorable ratings. bernie sanders and john kasich. they're the two candidates doing the best in general election matchups. the clear politics average, kasich is the only republican candidate beating clinton head to head. sanders is beating all three republicans by wider margins than clinton is. the other three candidates for president aren't doing so well this terms of their favorability. a new associate press, trump has unprecedented unpopularity with americans of nearly race, gender, political persuasion. polls show that 69% of the
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country views trump unfavorably making him possibly the least liked person running for president. 59 had an unfavorable view. 55% had unfavorable view of clinton. by far, the most on the chart is donald trump with a net favorabilities at minus 13%. if those favorability trends don't change and either front-runner ends the nomination, someone will set a strange record in the fall. i have to say i find the ratings confounding a bit. >> especially when you consider
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they are lower than her husband's. it's all based on the compromises that her husband made. the 90s style democratic politics that are running against the left. none of that sticks to bill clinton. people hold things against hillary clinton that they don't hold against any of the other demonstrates who are part of that. >> her favorabilities ratings were extremely high. they fluctuated a bit. i think rebecca has pointed out the closer she gets for contesting to political power, the more her favorable goes down. >> there's a lot of research. there's a 2010 study out of yale that's called the price of power. men and women react badly to women who seem to be power hungry.
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they took a biography of a senator and changed the gender and asked people their opinions of it. what they found -- i'm trying to remember the exact words. when women seem to be interested in power, it said that people experienced moral revulsion, disgust and contempt which are terms you would hear attached to hillary clinton from the left and right. people like her when she's down. they liked her when she was crying or seemed to be crying in new hampshire in 2008. they loved her when she was beat up for the 11 hours at the benghazi hearing. i actually think when she's competing, especially against somebody has kind of seemingly pure and unsullied as bernie sanders, i think her favorability ratings are at the floor.
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>> there's two ways to interpret it. how weird that the people who are the most favorably viewed at the back of the pack. >> i think that's especially true with sanders. as far as i know, sanders hasn't had a several single negative ad run against him. hillary clinton, people might think things have gotten nasty, she's proceeded very gingerally in attacking him. >> that's the question. clinton supporters tend to think she's at her sort of floor and he's at his ceiling right now.
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even if you say i can see that's unjust and wrong there are sanders people who make the argument. look, the guy is more favorable. he's more electable. >> honestly, that's true. there's times when i thought to myself, you know that maybe the future of the country and the kind of menace of the republicans is too important to take a risk with a woman running for president. people don't like hillary. >> have you actually thought that? >> yes. i have absolutely thought that. i don't believe that sanders favorability ratings are robust. >> there's head to head polling back in september. ben carson could beat hillary clinton. clearly that was nonsense. >> i think they mean more when it comes to hillary clinton and donald trump because people are very familiar with that and all their negatives.
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campaign in full swing here in new york. the world watched as hillary clinton tried to get past the turnstile. this a moment who every single new yorker rides the subway can relate to. this happens to all of us, all the time. she may have been the most relatable moment of this campaign. perhaps the most relatable moment. there she was in front after a throng of cameras focused on her. she tried to properly swiper card, she needed to swipe it five times. the photo op surprised by this. her metro card aadventure, swipe and repeat. some have tried to turn the
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situation into a thing. republicans not wasting an opportunity dispatching well known new yorker michele bachmann of minnesota to demonstrate how it's really done. very believable. donald trump's primary mode is a limo just couldn't help himself. >> it's so bad. it's so bad. when you think, is it not just horrible? i can't even conceive of the whole thing. she hasn't been in the subway in 20 years if she was ever in the subway. it's so bad. the picture of her riding around for -- it's called pandering. it's so bad. >> so bad. so bad and sad. hold the phone. was that donald trump accusing someone else of pandering. we have a little something to play for you in 60 seconds. ooh... >>psst. hey...
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donald trump took a swipe at hillary clinton's subway. it's called pandering. it's so bad. donald trump seen here lightly petting an american flag is the run away front-runner of pandering. he panders big league. >> i'm leading with tea party, big. i love tea party. i love the tea party. where are the children? >> they're off to the side. >> get them over here. that's great. i love children. i love iowa. >> i love you. we have idaho. i love florida. i love nashville. i love the people of mexico. i love the hispanics. nobody loves hispanics like i do. israel, i love israel. e evangelicals. i love them. they love me. the bible.
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over the past couple days the democratic primary felt like it reached a new level of nastiness. just a quick jog down memory lane is a reminder this has been pretty genial. when, for example, then senator obama had to apologize after his campaign referred to hillary clinton d punjab criticizing her
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ties to india. >> while i was working on those streets watching those folks see their jobs shipped overseas, you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of walmart. i was fighting these fights. >> then there was time obama said some people cling to guns as a way to explain their frustrations prompting clinton to tout her own experience with guns and obama to mock her. >> she knows better. shame on her. shame on her. she knows better. she's running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsman. how she values the second amendment. she's talking like she's annie oakley.
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hillary clinton's out there like she's out in a duck blind every sunday. she's packing a six shooter. come on. she knows better. that's some politics being played by hillary clinton. i want to see that picture of her out there. >> hillary clinton was doing some mocking of her own going after obama's campaign rhetoric. >> i could stand up here and say let's just get everybody together, let's get unified. the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect. >> their campaigns were doing
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much worse behind the scenes. >> the campaigns are sniping at each other over who leaked this picture of obama in traditional garb two years ago on a trip to kenya. the obama campaign accused the clinton camp of fear mongering. the clinton campaign said it did not leak the picture but couldn't say for sure someone on their team was not involved. >> things got so bad that hillary clinton suggested that barack obama was more ready to be commander in chief than obama. >> i think i have a lifetime of experience that i will bring to the white house. i know senator mccane has a lifetime of experience and senator obama has a speech he gave in 2002. >> just three months after that harsh moment, hillary clinton and barack obama stood arm in arm in unity new hampshire pledging a united front against republicans.
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how the two came together and what the 2008 primary tells us about the democratic primary fight, next.
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additional will be decided at a state convention this weekend. turning back to the democratic race for president and what 2008 can tell us about 2016. lynn, i know you covered both races. do you agree that 2008 got nastier than this has gotten so far? >> it is so different. this is not nasty. this is like going five miles over the speed limit compared to 2008. remember, jeremiah wright. there were a lot of allies of clinton even if they weren't directly linked to the campaign. they were very involved in a lot of stories behind the scenes and then there's the big acrimony you told a little bit about a few moments ago between the candidates. this is nothing compared to 2008. >> it strikes me that part of the reason, that someone tweeted
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there are bigger politics gaps between sanders and clinton. there's a different political vision then there was clinton-obama. the iraq war was the biggest one. they were not that far apart. clinton and sanders have pretty distinct visions. >> they do. there's a big thing that barack obama was seen as an upstart then. that was part of the cause for the acimony. the other big thing, really big thing is when hillary clinton made the comment about bobby kennedy and explaining why she was not going to drop out. she was going to go all the way. >> to california because who knows what could happen. i thought in context, was a sort of innocent remark in context like her being like you never know. >> also bear in mind that even in writing his memoir, david axelrod was still upset about
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that comment. it wasn't something the campaign just brushed off. >> you had the woman who was going to be the first president in the history of the united states and the man possibly going to be the first black president in the history of the united states. it got so deep for that reason and that was always there just beneath the surface. >> i think it got nasty and deep. i don't disagree with you. that would have been the history. i think these are two campaigns and two candidates that were hyper competitive and the staffs were incredibly aggressive. the bernie sanders campaign is not -- it's just not coming out with negative stuff about hillary that they are
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discovering or bringing out. he's choosing to make them center pieces of his campaign. i think the aggressiveness fed into the natural instincts of the candidates. >> i'm not the recipient but they're floating a ton of opo about the other. have you seen this interview. have you seen this clinton donor who was packaging. that's basically not happening. >> i was to play you a news montage of the pumas. >> we refer to you as puma.
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we heard it stood for party unity my beep. >> forget john mccain. the biggest pain in obama's you know what is calling it, party unify my [ bleep ]. they are not jumping on the band wagon. >> the bleeping makes me realize i probably shouldn't have said it. >> i look for those people in denver, chris. there were eight. >> exactly. >> i saw eight of them in denver. i realize that i want to come up with my profane acronym to force you say it on air. >> the fact is they did vote for barack obama.
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the democrats were massively unified that fall. at the end of the day, political party affinity and polarization is a powerful force. >> true. if you look back at some of the conversations behind closed doors in denver, especially with jimmy carter, he was saying i know what a divided convention does. this had been a theme. people pressed really hard to say we do not want 1980 again. >> lynn, i watched that famous kennedy speech in 1980. there's the pararation that everyone quotes. the dream shall never die. it's a pretty nasty attack. that probably hurt. >> it did. there wasn't many mass social media, cable network. the impact of that was a little more one time only because it wasn't saturated. the damage was limited.
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they made up and got together easily than their staffs did. >> they did. that's all in for this evening. rachel maddow starts now. good evening. thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. happy friday. there's lots going on tonight. we have great show planned for tonight. we're looking ahead to the wyoming caucuses tomorrow on the democratic side. bernie sanders has turned out to be really, really good at caucuses. there's been 12 so far on the democratic side. of the 12, hillary clinton won the first two in iowa and nevada. since then, bernie sanders has won ten straight caucuses. senator sanders is favored to win in the caucuses tomorrow