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legs. this week. >> feels different. >> feels different. steve kornacki, good to see you. more "mtp daily" tomorrow. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm john helemann. >> i'm mal. with all due respected to verizon, i'm pretty sure you can hear bernie now. on the show tonight, a trump family sitcom and coming attractions, but first some action. a little bit of drama. with less than a week to go before the new york primary, the front-runners in both parties, hillary clinton and donald trump, hold commanding leads, not just here in the empire state, but across the other northeastern states up next to vote after new york. but both front-runners are still struggling to unify a their fractured parties before the
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conventions. we start by looking at the pair of two front wars starting with the democrats. new polls from quinnipiac university, nbc marist, showing hillary clinton leading bernie sanders, 53 to 48 in new york. 49 to 43 in connecticut. and yet, on the eve of the clinton/sanders debate in brooklyn, tensions are high in their camps that are important tots left, such as guns, wall street and fracking. today, sanders picked up his first endorsement from a colleague, and he campaigned with a union, picketing communications giant, verizon. so john, how is hillary clinton doing in her attempt to bring the left into her camp while she continues to battle bernie sanders? >> well, a couple of different lefts, right. the left that is the activist, the feel the bern. i don't think she is doing a great job according to them.
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it's too early for that. national action network today, she had a strong speech there, appealing to african-americans. the parts of the left that hillary clinton has performed well with, she continues to perform well with and shoring them up with those groups. i think she'll turn them out and that's a key component holding onto the nomination, the lead she has and competing in the fall. >> a lot of bernie sanders who speak disparagingly about hillary clinton. >> that's true. >> they're in you to the process. the calculation to win the votes may not require getting them. but i think the clinton people understand that simultaneously, when and if she vanquishes bernie sanders, she will need to do something for those people on the left and move to the center. but i will say her greatest gift would be if donald trump or ted cruz of the republican nominee, that will bring a lot of democrats home from the left. >> i believe she needs those votes. if you think about that coalition, barack obama put together, millennials and big
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numbers, big percentage was a big part of how he was able to win, getting over 270 electoral votes. she doesn't need the stories how people will sit at home and sit on their hands. donald trump may bring people out if he is the nominee. >> just anecdotally, i meet sanders voters all the time who did not vote for barack obama. >> new people. it's their first time to vote. now to republicans, donald trump polling numbers are just as hefty as hillary clinton in the upcoming states. trump is north of 50% in new york, here, and also in connecticut which could essentially winner take all for collecting the delegates. more than a 20 point lead according to polling over ted cruz and john kasich in maryland. clinching the nomination before the summer. today brought news that trump has hired veteran competitive rick wiley who previously worked for the republican national committee, and most recently,
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scott walker's campaign to work under the also recently hired paul manafort as trump's national political director. yet, for all of that, republican front-runner still battling openly and bitterly over the delegate selection process. how is trump doing on -- in the battle to try to bring the establishment into his camp? >> today, as a snapshot, not so well. you know, the reaction i'm hearing about rick wiley being hired, oh, good for rick. he signed on with the front-runner. but how dare he, how disappointing. doing it for all the wrong reasons, for sure. this a problem for trump right now. he is at war with the republican national committee by his own choice. he thinks, and they think it will be fine if he wins the nomination. but obviously still a huge anti-trump movement. the last thing i'll say is there was a period that now seems laughable when you saw stories that we hate ted cruz so much, maybe trump is better.
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trump has a long way to go to unify his party. >> there is a difference between, look, i think there is no -- people have written many stories and correct to write them. bringing in paul manafort suggests that trump is trying to professionalize his campaign. on the other hand, that has nothing do with this broader question of getting mainstream establishment republicans at large at the electorate or the establishment, which is another inside game, but not the inside, inside, inside campaign consultants. >> since chris christie and jeff sessions, there has not been an endorsement like that. continues to be remarkable, ted cruz has gotten virtually no endorsements since wisconsin. >> we'll talk about cruz in a second. >> trump has a long way to go. >> long way to go. broader establishment is getting worst rather than better. >> and the donors. all right, whenever people bring up donald trump's numbers, the answer is always the same. those numbers will change and improve, once he turns his full
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attention, including his naming against hillary clinton. john, leaving aside personal attacks, which would certainly be part of a trump/clinton general election, what would trump use as issues to his benefit in a hypothetical general election? >> well, i mean, you can't imagine. he has had a hard time sticking with the economic message that gave him first entree, in the hearts and minds of the voter. if he decided to be disciplined about that and tried to argue that he is a manager, understands business, worked in the private sector and understands world affairs on the economic level, better than hillary clinton, he could make claims to that, and i think he will try, and he will try to say that on issues like trade, although she has moved to the left in the sanders trump world, that trump is more credible on that, given his. >> i think he would use immigration as an issue against her. campaign finance, i think he
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would go deep into the clinton foundation, the super pacs, all the questions of big money. and the last issue i think he would do is economics. even though it won't be a positive agenda, he would try to hang the obama economy around her neck. >> well, and i think that the question is not in this case will or could. right, could, he could do all those things. but as i said at the very beginning of my rather too long aer, he has not proven very disciplined sticking at what could be useful messages. the question is whether he is able to do those things, even if they're available to him. >> they're available. foreign policy, he'll ask her what, did you accomplish as secretary of state. that is issue based. a lot of democrats struggled to answer that question. >> he knows more about foreign policy than he does. when we come back, ted cruz ballot ballet, right after this.
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ted cruz's campaign has been working hard on its magnum opus second or third ballot win at the republican national convention in cleveland. to pull it off, the republican donor class, which may or may not be persuaded that cruz is the only alternative to trump as the nominee. my question is if trump doesn't get enough delegates to secure the nomination on the first ballot, will the money be open to the idea of the second, third, fourth ballot. >> it's a possibility. ted cruz public performance style changes dramatically. and he has had some success in new york and chicago, and atlanta, l.a., san francisco, but if we get to cleveland and if it is clear that trump could get the nomination unless ted cruz is the consensus choice on the first ballot of the money class and then the second and third, i think he'll get a lot. it could be desigh sieve in
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winning the nomination. >> dirty little secret ted cruz, whose wife works for goldman sachs, and played it down in other plays, but it shows he has a cultural infinity for people who work at these institutions of the moneyed class, and i think that's -- that i think plays to his advantage. the other dirty little secret in new york city, you go around to people who work in finance, a lot of them don't know donald trump, the ones who do know him, they don't hate him, but they don't particularly like him. he is not of the wall street class. >> another group of the money class that will be huge in cleveland. lobbyis lobbyists, who will be all over the place and who faced with the choice of trump or cruz, could well swing to trcruz and i thin they'll help to create a dynamic in cleveland if it comes to that, time to vote for cruz.
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>> noticeable you haven't heard ted cruz talking like the old ted cruz of old. talking like the antiestablishment, an anti-washington, the kind of jerk, a lot of washington establishment thought he was in. lately, he has not been saying those things. he knows he needs them. >>. it was a full house, family style. donald trump's town hall last night, the republican front-runner appeared on a cnn stage with his wife and four adult children, who all had very loving words to say about what it was like to grow up trump. >> i always have been i think a very good father. always very important to me. a lot of people say to me my children have done a good job. >> greatest father in the world. amazing deal maker. just always had so much love for us in this whole family. he is an amazing guy. one my best friends in the entire world. >> i've witnessed these
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incredible female role models in the highest executive positions in the trump organization, the way he raised me, the way he raised tiffany, it's a testament to the fact that he believes and inspiring women and empowering women. he always taught me there wasn't anything i couldn't do. if i set my mind to it. >> my father, since i've been a little girl, has always inspired me, and had so much faith in me to just be the best opinion i can be, the best woman i can be. >> he treats everyone equally. if you are a woman and he attacks, they attack him, he will attack back. no matter who you are. >> i've never had a drink. i never had a glass of alcohol and i own the largest winery in the east coast. my brother, just was so instrumental and probably shaping my life, because i don't know what the outcome would have been. when my children were growing up, even when they didn't know what drinking was, i would say no alcohol, no cigarettes, no drugs. >> was that something you
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remember distinctly growing up. >> absolutely. everyday of our life. every morning. don't drink, don't do drugs. >> every morning. >> without fail. >> trump has done other town halls on tv, including the ms in. bc he did with chris matthews that got a lot of attention. everyone who watched last night, they were impressed stylistically. why do you think that was. >> i was impressed. >> i was including you. >> right. he was a normal candidate. that's the most striking thing about it. the kids have a reputation for being very nice, yvonivonka, a person. this was not donald trump in all of his trump-ian craziness, most striking about his candidacy we're missing. just an average, ordinary guy coming on stage. that was very striking to almost anybody watching. >> proud father, proud
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grandfather. long stretches he could have talked and chose not to and let them talk. all the kids are impressive and funny and interesting. and it just, it was more like a normal family, and he was more like a normal person than he has come across in a while. the validation they bestow upon him, nothing like it. >> the only problem for him is that he will go out several hours later, i think sometimes to their frustration, and behave in ways that are outsized and cartoon ish and offensive to people. as you hear all the time, they're telling him to be more presidential, because what they seem to want is to have more of the donald trump they know and what we saw on stage last night to be more of his public persona, rather than the cartoonish one we see more frequently. >> behaving like a normal person is a good day for him. >> i agree with that. "washington post" fact checkers have been handing out more pinocchios lately. on the democratic side, they
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called out bernie sanders claim that he visited a g plant in vermont. they knocked down hillary clinton's insinuation guns from vermont that are used in new york crimes, three pin neke cos. no kinder to jane sanders for repeating a debunked claim on this show on monday that the sanders household has released full tax returns for several years. plenty of well documented misleading statements from donald trump and his fellow republicans as well, but we can't list them, because the show is only an hour long. so mark, my question is, republican and democratic pinocchios, do they matter in 2016? >> i love fact checking. i think it's great. >> good for mark. >> tamerica. >> the problem is, there is so much spin, so much effort made to knock down and some pinocchios that it's hard to differentiate. this is my criticism. >> white noise. >> which is, you know, they give three to so many things, it's
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hard to say what really is a foul as opposed to an infraction. >> also, they try to distinguish between foul and infraction by the number of pinocchios, right, but the problem is so many given out, it's hard to distinguish -- >> a lie about a big thing or little thing. >> correct. you could have a big lie about a little thing and tell a smaller lie about a really important thing that i think is way more politically consequential and substantial substantially, too. also the other thing of course that we remarked on many times. our news cycle just moves so fast, the combination of the white noise element you've cited and the speed at which this whole thing progresses, it's hard for any of these things to take hold and be something that has, again, just political consequence. something that really matters in the way the old fact checkers not called fact checkers, used to be called newspaper when we were young men. >> three pinocchios, not
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two-dimensional. as you said, it moves so fast, it's hard to determine it sticking. coming up, travel downtown to washington square park, where bernie sanders is holding a rock concert/rally with a bunch of celebrities tonight. we'll check in down there, after words from our sponsor. and so my new packing robot will make jet warehouses even more efficient and save shoppers money. genius! oh charlene? charlene. no. charlene. why is she wearing earrings? why is it a she? shh... at, we're always looking for unbelievable money saving innovations. don't let dust and allergies get and life's beautiful moments. with flonase allergy relief, they wont. most allergy pills only control one inflammatory substance. flonase controls six. and six is greater than one.
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find bernie sanders a star-studded rally in washington square park. features the band vampire weekend, legend spike lee and tim robbins among many others. before those stars take the stage, we're joined by star reporter, kasie hunt in the park, or outside the park? where are you there? >> i think we're technically in the park. we're on a sidewalk behind the barriers that have been set up for the park, where they're working on letting people in. >> this is an important venue. barack obama did a huge rally there on his way to the white house. symbolically important event or just another run of the mill rally? >> no, i think this is very symbolically important for the sanders campaign. one of three major rallies they have planned for the city and its boroughs over the next
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couple of days. of course, they're hopeliing fo show of force in hillary clinton's adopted hometown, if you will. i think the question is whether or not it came too late. we felt this race shift away from bernie sanders over the course of the past couple of days, so i'm interested to see whether or not this is something that sticks around and resonates and gives people a reason to give him another look in the new york primary. >> kasie, explain what you just said. we felt the race shift away from sanders over the past couple of days. in what ways, and why? >> john, i think the polling, first of all, is showing that clinton's lead is more durable than it may have been in some of the other states, where sanders has competed and closed the race pretty aggressively in the final couple of days. i think that certainly what clinton people are telling me privately behind the scenes and you can get a sense on the sanders side that's the ca he is as well. you're feeling more on the defensive with them.
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things about talking going forward, the super delegates, how to handle potentially taking this to the convention. hearing kind of an edge of the voices both of the candidate, his spouse, his wife jane and the people around him, jeff weaver, his campaign manager in particular. sensing a movement away from hey, we're confident, riding this momentum, to actually we've run into some knives from the clinton campaign. this is more of a grind. now it's not looking as though things are moving quite the way they initially were when they came here to new york a few days ago. >> so we're about 24 hours away from the debate. i don't think senator sanders can say he has easily won any of the previous debates. he has had rough times. she has done better. in a normal campaign, a candidate would be preparing and focusing and saying this is my big chance, one-on-one, i can break through. then of course, after the debate, he is leaving for rome for a couple of days. is there any indication he is preparing for the debate in terms of time devoted, attitude
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to say this is it, i'm going to take her down, or not? >> i think when you ask people who would be responsible for helping him do that, they say, well, i hope he is preparing for this debate. because really, there is no -- there is no real sign he is approaching it in any way than what we've seen in the past, which is a pretty classic sanders, frankly. he is also giving a speech midday tomorrow to al sharpton's group, meeting here in the city. so he has something on his agenda, which as you know, is a little unusual for debate days. you're right, no matter what happens in the debate, if it's a difficult night for him and he needs to clean things up or try to push forward, he is going to be in the air on his way to rome. if he hals a good night, he is not going to be out campaigning in the streets of new york. he is going to be on the airplane, get giving a speech that is close to the press, although it may be open to vatican correspon vatican correspondents, maybe
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seeing a glimpse of the pope, but probably not. it's not 100% clear how it benefits him. he'll be in and out of rome in under 40 hours. but some pretty critical hours ahead of tuesday. >> kasie, the two host rs of the show were at first in correspondence lou incredulous i'm not talking about whether it's good or bad, just politically, the risk worth taking. do you understand, i'll actually point out one of the hosts predicted it wouldn't happen for those reasons. so do you understand why they're doing this? do you have a sense of why they're taking this risk? >> so far, all systems are go. it seems like the trip will go off. they have to put the stop to a lot of things. the ball is pretty far down the court at this point. my sense, john, this is something that bernie sanders himself really wants to do. i mean, if you think about where
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he was a year ago, when he first announced, you know, invitations, you know, from the vatican or its associated groups, not directly from the pope, but you know, kind of a theological arm of it, you know, of the vatican, this is not necessarily something he would have had the opportunity to do before. bernie sanders the independent senator from vermont, not necessarily having the kind of platform that he does now. and so this is going to elevate him to a couple of other international heads of states are speaking at this conference from particularly south america. so it's putting him on a playing field that is much elevated from the one he was able to play on before. so that's something that he personally is invested in. i think you've seen not just in this case, but over the course of the last few months, as bernie sanders has starts to have had get used to the idea that he was a plausible democratic nominee, that this was something that could go his way. i don't think this vatican trip is the only area where we've seen that start to effect how he
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makes decisions as a candidate. >> kasie hunt, the baby stroll letters. >> the dope dealers. >> thank you very much. it's like the u.n., only different. thank you. in just a moment, we're going to talk more about the democratic race here in new york, with two of the best in the biz who know the city well, right after this. which allergy? eees. bees? eese. trees? eese. xerox helps hospitals use electronic health records so doctors provide more personalized care. cheese? cheese! patient care can work better. with xerox. that's it. how was your commute? good. yours? good. xerox real time analytics make transit systems run more smoothly... and morning chitchat... less interesting. transportation can work better. with xerox.
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dreamers. >> washington square park is headquarters historically of the alternative, beat nicks, hip peays. i know this park pretty well. i've lived on it. right there, at the corner of fifth avenue, next to the monument. >> bernie sanders, man. >> the park has been the senor of many, many protests for civil rights, for affirmative action, especially against the war in vietnam. in a way, it's very appropriate that bernie sanders really should come to his spiritual home, i would say. >> this is the entrance? >> this is the entrance. >> can we wait here. >> you're more than welcome to wait. >> i must be in the front. >> 5:00 we get in, 7:00 the whole thing will start. >> i want to see bernie sanders
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up close. >> i made my own poster here. >> die hards, came really early. >> i got to the park at midnight. i was number two in line. >> i washingtched as the sky go brighter. i see bernie sanders walking off to his right. so i hopefully he'll come towards me on his right. >> i know obama in 2008 got about 20,000 people here. >> and i hope bernie exceeds that by far. >> i love new york. >> the park is a kind of headquarters. it's a kind of headquarters i would say of social change. they're dope, marijuana sellers here in the park. there are people who are down-and-out. people who are playing their guitar like bob dylan and not very good at all. fences around washington square park is kind of antisetcal.
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one of the few gathering places of gathers. >> our next guest, not revolutionaries, "with all due respect" peanut butter and jelly. we had them last week, so tasty, we're not ashamed of going back for seconds. john, new york post columnist, and adam, now out in la-la land for "the new york times." gentlemen, washington square park, your most vivid memory, go. >> i was about 7 years old and i saw, '68, '69, and i saw someone having an acid trip while i was walking through with a family friend. >> adam, as you answer, keep in mind the statute of limitations. >> i'm almost certain acid trip in washington square park. what is yours? >> i'll go with the serious one.
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i remember being there, like, two or three nights after the collapse of the world trade center, and when you were first beginning to see all the leaflets go up where people were looking for lost relatives, and it was obvious that obviously those people were gone and it reminded me how washington square park is a community center. i live two blocks from there. it has a big place in my heart. plus the pot dealers. >> so guys, let's talk about the democratic race. last we talked, the contest was just underway. campaigning here is different than any where else for all the reasons we know and talked about. we got a guy from blorooklyn, a senator that was from here. she has proved to be more in-depth competitor with a fingertip feel to what it means than he has? >> i think she has done a lot better here than she was, ar pairs to be doing better here than she was over the past month, which of course makes
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sense. if she doesn't have a feel for new york politics, having run and won here twice, then she really ought to hang it up and go home and retire. and i don't know whether he is not particularly adept, it is know that she knows how to play the politics and 40, 45% of the vote is here in the city. >> adam, you know, sanders has this big, what they hope will be an iconic event tonight. he went to coney island, his old home in brooklyn, but he hasn't done what is required in campaigning here, which is to create moments, right? >> i'm guessing he is assuming looking at what happened with obama to create a moment tonight. my sense is a lot of people, as we all know, come to new york thinking we can do this, we've done iowa, whatever the state is before, and he is probably thinking i sort of came from here, so i know how it's played.
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my sense is he doesn't. he is trying to find his sea legs, and we know it's harder for every we think it is. it might be harder because he is coming with the assumption that he knows the city better. he is going to the vatican i guess tomorrow. that makes sense to me for someone running for mayor 15 years ago. i'm not so sure it makes some guy in the middle of a presidential campaign right now. >> i want to come back to the vatican thing in a minute. let me stick with this one thing. it seems to me the tensions between the two campaigns have escalated in the last few days. they got to new york and the gloves, which had more or less been on for pretty much the democratic throughout the democratic nomination sort of came off and both campaigns are much testier with each other. who is getting the better of the negativity in a political sense if you know what i mean? >> it's hard to tell. i think at this point, it's probably hillary clinton. i'm not surprised. i'll tell you why. you don't expect it from bernie sanders. he sort of presented himself as
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a different politician. so when you see him doing this stuff, it doesn't seem right. it doesn't fit right, because one of the things that's been so refreshing about this, at least to his supporters this whole campaign is that he is not part of the regular mold. so i think maybe he is not coming out so well. i do think that new york, because of the tabloid, you know, brings out the negativity of a campaign. you're rewarded for being outrageous. as mark said before, staging the moments to get attention that break through the clutter, which has been more intense in new york than any where else. >> the weird moments in new york have been on the republican side. you had john kasich going to a hacidic neighborhood, becausez was going to anti-zionist entirely democratic, and he spent four hours there and lectured them on how the passover holiday is a prefiguring of the birth of jesus. which is really not a message
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that you want to impart to that, but there was no part in him being there. so that was a fake bad moment, and that's the kind of bad tabloid moment that has gone on. ted cruz having trouble in the bronx. they're not quite having those, either of them. either sanders or hillary. >> i was going to ask you a question about the democratic race. i'm not going to do that now. we're going to take a break. once you talk about the politics, just stay right here. we'll talk more about that topic and more deeply about the republican race when we come right back. vo: across america,
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ask your doctor about non-insulin victoza®. it's covered by most health plans. we're back with the by coastal geniuses in the business. adam joining us from los angeles, and john. john is, as viewers and followers know, interested in stopping donald trump. i'm wondering what has happened in the last week that gives you the most hope that he can be denied the nomination. >> the only thing is procedural. that ruz winning all these sort of back door deals and out playing trump on these delegate selection processes. it's perfectly legitimate if you were watching just the, you know, outward campaign, you would say cruz has done
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absolutely nothing to build on his victory in wisconsin, in fact, his numbers in new york seem to be going down instead of up. the polling in all the subsequent states, pennsylvania and connecticut, maryland is not looking good for cruz and is looking good for trump. so the stop trump movement now is entirely a back door movement, until maybe until may, when we shift back to the midwest, and to the west for the last states. >> adam, the california primary is six weeks away or so, but is there any feeling out there, there has been some candidate activity, any feeling out there it is approaching, or california hasn't focused? >> no, no. as you know, this is not a state we get primaries a lot. for a lot of rneasons, the stat is at the tail end of a lot of things. there is a lot of excitement. i saw sanders protesters in
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front of cnn. statewide campaign is coming here. i think he is coming in two weeks. so no, a lot of interest. it is a very interesting state. there is a sense that, and i'll defer to you guys or john on this, this state could be determinative in who the republican nominee is going to be. so it's really interesting to watch, actually. >> don't turn to me too quick, adam. i want you to give, even though we're mostly talking about the new york primary. ted cruz is out in california just a couple of days ago. you've pointed out it is obviously very important. just explain on the republican side, what is the state of the california republican party? how is that -- what will it look like when they get out there? they think of it as a blue state, so not many people understand what goes on in the 53 congressional districts. >> first of all, the state republican party is a minority party. what i mean by minority, it has less than i believe independent registered voters. it is diminishing in influence.
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they don't troll tcontrol the gs or the house. right now, this -- in this state, probably like new york as well, it's a congressional district by congressional district contest. in some parts of the state, from looking at the polling we've seen, trump will do very well. win delegates. i can't see him sweeping the whole state. there are parts of the state cruz is doing well, congressional districts. so i think this will be a mixed results. my guess right now is trump wins the overall popular vote. will come out with a significant number of delegates, but he won't get a sweep the way it looks like he might get in new york, because of the system, the way it is set up here. >> if that's the result, then cruz is in a lot of trouble. i mean, if cruz can't build, if the month of may and the early part of june is still trump territory, and trump is still, you know, closer to a majority, then cruz is going into the five
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weeks before the convention, assuming trump doesn't get the sufficient number of delegates, cruz is not going to look like a winner. cruz is not going to look like the guy you want to turn to instead of trump, because he will have disappointed in the last two months of the campaign. >> and just adjudicate this question. your fingertip feel for your party, you said a second ago, everything has gone right about cruz has been back door deals. just given the state of where your party is right now, how does that set up for trying to go to cleveland if you're ted cruz and win that way? how well will that go down within the party if that's how ted cruz has to get there. >> i think it would be worst if ted cruz were jeb bush doing this. obviously ted cruz comes into this race with his own antiestablishment credentials, and the argument he is going to make is he has demonstrated competency in his candidacy and that trump's incompetence and managing the rules an procedures of the republican party belies
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his claim that he is the guy that can come in from the outside and reform politics. that said, if you don't win, you don't win. if trump wins, and he wins more states, he keeps winning more states and cruz isn't winning more states and hasn't turned it around on him, i don't know what kind of argument that is. i mean, that really is an argument for throwing the whole thing out saying no one got a majority. now we have four days to find the best person to run against hillary and it doesn't look like it's either of these guys. not go with the guy who got less than the guy who is in the lead. >> all that sound and fury signifies nothing. >> it will have meant a year and a month of campaigning will have ended in failure for everyone. >> adam, trump, this is his first new york primary as a candidate. how do you appraise how he has done and creating moments and fitting into the culture as a candidate. >> it looks like he is doing well in terms of fitting into
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the culture of the state. i have not seen him create any big moments yet, but maybe he doesn't need to. he is way in advance. he seems to be a better fit for the state than cruz or kasich. my sense is he is doing pretty well. as we know, he has been involved in the culture in the media culture of new york since, you know, the '80s, and has been close to the gossip columnist and political reporters and editorial writers. he knows the way the place works. it is much different than it was, but similarities. he knows how to get attention, the media/political dynamics of the state and he is playing it well and it shows. >> he is also playing against the world's longest live unforced error, which was cruz's new york value statement. trump represents new york values, not having the foggiest idea, trying to contend for every possible delegate that he could get there.
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that was short-term thinking with pretty bad long-term consequences. all trump has had to do here is ted cruz says he has new york values are bad and cruz has gone down seven or eight points in the last week. >> representing decisively, thank you both. >> and proudly. >> he means that in a good way. coming up, former ted cruz spokesman, rick tyler, joins us right after this. if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can now listen to us on the radio at bloomberg 99.1 fm. we'll be right back. so if i wanna go to jersey and check out shotsy tuccerelli's portfolio, what's it to you? or i'm a scottish mason whose assets are made of stone like me heart. papa! you're no son of mine! or perhaps it's time to seize the day. don't just see opportunity, seize it! (applause)
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joining us now to talk more about where the presidential race runs on the republican side, rick tyler, former spokesman, the washington bureau. obviously a big debate, the question of whether the nominee
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is picked is democratic responsive to the will of the voters, et cetera. leaving aside your affinity for senator cruz, do you think maybe it's time to look at the process for the next cycle and say, there should be kind of a direct correlation between the number of votes you get and the number of delegates you get, or not? >> well, maybe as you know, they try to fix the problems of the last convention and create more problems for the next convention. i suspect that will go on forever. there is a correlation between the votes and delegates, by and large. most of the delegates on the first ballot are going to be bound. after that, it gets much loser. the second ballot, you get 60%, they become unbound, by the third, it's 80%. >> but rick if i could interrupt you, that's apart of the process, but an earlier part of the process is a selection of the delegates. in colorado, those delegates are not being selected by the republican party voters of colorado. they're being selected by
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insiders. should there be a better correlation between grassroots voters and who gets to go to cleveland? >> you know, it's a good question. we should have the argument. but that's up to colorado. colorado has done what they have done, very similarly in the past, and other states choose to do it differently. that's essentially a form of federalism that the states decide how they're going to choose their own delegates. some like the party to have more control over the delegates, in other words, if you're not a member of the republican party, why should others outsiders who aren't members of the republican party decide who the candidate is. some people believe that. the other side says we should have it more open. democratic party open it up to everybody. so i think we have hybrid, a mix of in between. colorado decided one way. new york decides another way. california decides another way. and so it's going to be up to the states. what i don't want it to be for the republican national committee through some edict the states have to do it one way or
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another way. it's fine they do it the way they want to do it. >> i want you to put aside your affinity for senator cruz, but put aside the merits in this case, right. is it not a politically powerful argument to make that this system is rigged? the argument that trump is making right now, in this year, in 2016, given the populous energy in the party, given the things that have annotated so many, is it not a politically potent message trump is offering right now? >> it can be, it can be a pow powerful argument. what he is saying, it's rigged, changing the rules as we go along. that's not happening. it's like watching football, with someone who has never played the sport. so one side, you know, trump puts up a pro football team, they go to the super bowl and the revfs are against him, they
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intercepted it, ran it for a touchdown, why does he get to intercept my ball. the list goes on and on and on. there are rules -- >> this is the reason i asked to set aside the merits and just the politics of it. if you can see it is a powerful argument, what the counter argument, not to appeal to process, which is what ted cruz is doing right now, presume below he needs a political argument. what will that argument be for him that counters what trump is saying, the visceral resonates with a lot of vvoters. >> do we want the larger states who gets to be the nominee. in the same way, george w. bush actually lost the popular vote to al gore, and a lot of people had to come to learn about the electoral college. it was set up in a specific way. some people don't like it. they want a straight up popular vote. i disagree with that. that would allow larger states
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to have too much say and the smaller states won't have a say. the rnc sets it up this way, you get bonus delegates, winner take all if you go later. good state that continually elects republicans, and so that's -- that gives power to the states and power to the people who can organize and gives power to the grassroots. look, there is merits on both sides. but i would say i wouldn't want the larger states controlling everything. >> rick, thank you very much. we'll be right back. oh. henry! oh my. good, you're good. back, back, back. (vo) according to kelley blue book, subaru has the highest resale value of any brand. again. you might find that comforting. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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>> what are you doing tonight? >> washington square park to go to the big dog walk and to see tim robbins. >> tim robbins. >> i've got a bone to pick with tim robbins. >> as always, we have much, much, much more reporting on bloomberg head over there now for the very latest going on in 2016, this big presidential race. tomorrow, donald trump
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strategist, paul manafort will be with us on this show, on this set. until then, my friends, from us, sayonara. coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. trump to reince priebus, you're fired. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews, up in new york. it's a hostile takeover. donald trump going to war with the republican party, someone named reince priebus. over the delegate selection process. he told the hill newspaper it is a disgrace for the party and reince priebus should be ashamed of himself because he knows what's going on. trump who has won the most votes and garnered the most delegates, corrupt and a scan. here he was on cnn last night. >> the colorado thing was very, very unfair. i thought l


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