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and good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin this hour with a fierce fight for new york. bernie sanders is taking a brief detour from the new york campaign trail. right now, he's at the vatican where we're expecting to hear from him any moment about a conference he attended on social, economic, and environmental issues. there you see him getting off a plane that took him to rome. senator sanders a high profile trip comes after last night's high stakes debate in brooklyn where the gloves came off. with four days to go until new york's game changing primary. >> i don't question her judgment. >> senator sanders did call me unqualified. i've been called a lot of things in my life. that was a first. >> i'm sure a lot of people are very surprised to learn that you supported raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. >> wait a minute. come on. >> can you name one decision
that she made as senator that shows that she favored banks because of the money she received? [ applause ] >> he cannot come up with any example because there is no example. i stood up against the behaviors of the banks when i was a senator. i called them out on their mortgage behavior. >> secretary clinton called them out. oh, my goodness. they must have been really crushed by this. and was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements? >> from new york, brooklyn, all the way to the vatican, our nbc reporters has us covered for today. let me start with kasie hunt. kasie, good morning. one of the more contentious issues was about wages. >> this issue was on whether
hillary clinton supported a $12 or $15 wage increase for minimum wage. this is toughest ad yet from the bernie sanders team against hillary clinton, although it still doesn't name hillary clinton, doesn't use her name. it just talks about how executives make $200,000-plus for speeches, but they can't support $15 for regular working people. that gives you a sense of the tenure of these final days before the new york primary. sa sanders came prepared to hit back against every single opportunity against hillary clinton. there were moments when that strategy maybe seemed a little bit off. on the gun question, for example, the sandy hook families, when hillary clinton jumped in and said illegal guns used to commit crimes in new york were not a laughing matter after he laughed off an attack
from her on that front, so i think it's going to be interesting to see how that continues over the course of the next couple of days. but the reality is right now we haven't seen the polls moving here in new york the way we saw them move in some other states where sanders was able to spend a good amount of time. and to a certain extent, it doesn't seem like this debate really was the kind of game changer that senator sanders would really need if he was going to pull out a victory on tuesday. >> he leaves immediately after the debate for the vatican. >> that's right. he got right on a plane at jfk airport, took off, landed just a little while ago. he's planning a very short speech to this academy of social sciences. it's part of advising the vatican on theological doctrine issues. he describes it as basically a bucket list item. he says it was something that he couldn't turn down, that if he didn't go, he would regret it possibly for the rest of his life. the reality is it's taking him
out of the mix on the campaign trail for the next day and a half. look for them to get right back into the campaign trail when he lands here in new york on saturday. >> absolutely. thank you very much. i want to go to kristen welker, who is outside clinton campaign headquarters in brooklyn. what are you hearing from the clinton campaign this morning after that debate last night? >> reporter: i think they're feeling good today for that reason kasie brought up. at the same time, there were some moments when she was clearly on defense, that back and forth over the minimum wage. she was pressed sharply over whether or not she would release those transcripts of those paid speeches that she gave to wall stre street. she again gave this response that she would not release the transcripts unless everyone else does. she was effective in turning it around in saying senator sanders
should release his tax returns. there was this very interesting exchange over foreign policy. secretary clinton very strong on this point. this is where she is most comfortable. whether israel responded too forcefully in 1994 -- 2014, sorry. take a look at that exchange. >> we had in the gaza area, not a very large area, some 10,000 civilians who were wounded and some 1500 who were killed. now if you're asking me -- not just me, but countries all over the world was that a disproportionate attack, the answer is i believe it was. >> i don't know how you run a country when you are under constant threat, terrorist attack, rockets coming at you. you have a right to defend yourself.
that does not mean that you don't take appropriate precautions. >> reporter: secretary clinton unequivocal there in her support for israel. important to point out senator sanders likely speaking to the liberal audience here in new york, but if you look at the polling, fascinating trend, jose. secretary clinton trouncing senator sanders among jewish voters. it shows that she is leading there 65% to 32%. of course, she's leading in this state oddly by double digits. the clinton campaign not only looking for a win here on tuesday. they are looking for a strong win. they think that gets them a lot closer to trying to clinch this nomination. by the way, it also gives them a whole lot of momentum because, of course, senator sanders is coming off seven straight wins. she is hoping to change that momentum back in her favor. again, they're feeling good about last night's debate because senator sanders didn't change the equation. jose? >> thank you very much. let's continue this
conversation. great seeing you this morning. >> great to be here. >> the candidates battled over minimum wage among so many other things last night. this morning senator sanders takes aim at
secretary clinton. >> wall street banks shower washington politicians with campaign contributions and speaking fees. what do they get for it? a rigged economy. while washington politicians are paid over $200,000 over an hour for speeches, they oppose raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour. >> all right. so let's go with some of the things mentioned, but let me get your reaction to the ad and set the record straight. does hillary clinton support raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour on the federal level? yes or no? >> this is really a misleading
attack. i think the people would be surprised to see like sciu who you have endorsed hillary clinton because she has a lifelong commitment of fighting to raise the minimum wage in this country, and has been very strong in saying as president she would fight to raise it to $12. in areas like new york where the cost of living is higher, she supported that too. she stood with governor cuomo last week when he signed the legislation in this state to raise it to $15. she was very supportive of that. >> let me ask you again. does hillary clinton support raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour on the federal level? >> on the federal level, she supports raising it to 12. she's supportive of places like new york and california that are raising it to 15. ultimately she wants to get to 15, but she thinks that the path new york chose is the right one,
which is to raise it to 12 and then over time raise it to 15 everywhere. >> she doesn't support 15 federal. she supports 15 where it is possible, but not at the federal level. she supports 12, right? >> she wants to start at 12 and eventually get to 15. she has a lifelong commitment to helping workers raise their wages. >> i want to end with that underlying. it is 12 for federal, 15 where possible, state and locally. >> yes. she thinks new york did the right thing because they have really taken into account the economy in upstate new york. >> there's the battle over whether mrs. clinton should release those transcripts from her paid speeches. it came up again last night. let's listen to her response last night. >> look, there are certain expectations when you run for president. this is a new one. and i've said if everybody
agrees to do it, because there are speeches for money on the other side, but there is a longstanding expectation that everybody running release their tax returns. you can go to my website and see eight years of tax returns, and i've released 30 years of tax returns. i think every candidate, including senator sanders and donald trump, should do the same. >> so this was great because there are two totally different issues to discuss. one is how difficult is it for someone to release tax returns, especially if you don't as the senator from vermont said have, you know, untold amounts of weal wealth. this is not the 400 pounds of paper trump releases, but how difficult is it to release your tax returns? then there's the issue of the transcripts. how difficult is it to release transcripts when you get paid a
couple of hundred gs to say a speech? how difficult is it to release what you said? >> let's start with the transcripts. senator sanders has been attacking hillary clinton on this for quite sometime, but there's a basis for transparency in campaigns and that is you release your taxes. as she said last night, she just wants to be held to the same standard as everyone else and she would like him to be too. >> what can we glean from this? is she going to release her transcripts and should bernie sanders release his tax results, yes, tax returns? >> on the transcripts, she just wants to be held to the standard as everyone else. if that's the standard -- it's normally health records and taxes. >> we're talking about transcripts of speeches. >> if she's being held to a different standard that she needs to release her
transcripts, so do all the other candidates in the race. >> i can't thank you enough for being with me. >> thank you. >> i appreciate your time. let's turn now to bernie sanders who landed in rome a short time ago is en route to the vatican. we know it's him because the pope goes around in a little fiat 500. ann thompson is on the ground for us this morning in the vatican city. let's talk about this trip. >> reporter: good morning, jose. in fact, bernie sanders is just a couple of minutes from the vatican. he is running late. his plane landed about 50 minutes late. he was scheduled to speak at this academic think tank here at vatican grounds at 4:00. that speech is going to slide. when he gets here, he is going to speak about what he calls the urgency of a moral economy, and you will see him give a shout-out to a man he is clearly a big fan of, that is pope
francis. he will praise the pope for his work in pointing out income inequality and the difference of those on the edges of society, the poor and marginalized. his communications director says this is a chance of a lifetime. it is an opportunity for bernie sanders to talk about the issues that are very near and dear to his heart, such as income inequality and climate change, two issues where he agrees with pope francis. it also gives the sanders campaign, they believe, a chance to compare and contrast themselves with former secretary of state hillary clinton. senator sanders is at the vatican today. secretary clinton is headed to hollywood for a fundraiser with george clooney that is going to cost as much as $100,000 a
couple. >> to be clear, being invited to speak at the vatican is not equal to being invited by the pope to speak at the vatican. >> reporter: exactly. the papal spokespeople have been at pains to point this out ever since this speech was announced by sanders. just because you come to the vatican doesn't mean, a, you're going to see the pope, and, b, you've been invited by the pope. he is going to one of ten pontiff academies here in the vatican. this is basically an academic think tank. this is about an academic think tank. there is still not a meeting with bernie sanders on pope francis' schedule. if he does see him, we see the
only possibility that we think senator sanders may have the opportunity to see pope francis is tonight. he is staying at the hotel inside the vatican walls where pope francis lives. so perhaps maybe at dinner, maybe in the hallway, senator sanders would have the opportunity to say hello to pope francis, but it would be more than just saying hi. >> ann thompson with the well of information about the vatican that few others have. we'll hear from bernie sanders on this hour, right? see you soon. coming up, we're going to turn to the republican race for the white house with just four days before the big new york primary. the candidates head upstate to try to win over new york's conservative voters. is there time for ted cruz and john kasich to cut into trump's commanding lead in the empire state? first, ted cruz made a cameo appearance on "the tonight show" last night for a quick phone call with the not so real donald
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made it inside to the elevators before being let out by police. donald trump moved away from his tirade on the rnc to focus on comments made by cruz on new york values. comments he doesn't regret. >> what are new york values? number one honesty and straight talking. >> people understood what it meant and i'll tell you new yorkers understood what it meant. i find as i travel the state people come up to me all the time and say i know exactly what you mean, and i'm sick and tired of its. >> it's a work ethic, hard working people. it's about family. new york, believe it, is about family. so important. it's the energy to get things done, big energy. if jeb bush came here, i'm telling you he'd have much more energy than he has right now. i'm telling you. >> but today, delegates are on the mind of every candidate with a slew of contests coming up and
donald trump's complaints the system is rigged. the rnc is out with a memo reading in part, quote, the rules surrounding the delegate selection have been clearly made out in every state and territory. while each state is different, each process is easy to understand for those willing to learn it. party chairman reince priebus on the today show this morning. >> i think it's a little too late to complain about after the fact that a particular state's process isn't something that you like. now, what is true is that this system can be changed, but it has to be changed at the convention if people want to change it with the delegates. >> our correspondents covering the republicans are with me this morning. good morning. it seems this delegate battle is far from over. >> no, it is not over, but donald trump right now is trying to cry foul as much as he can. that's because he's trying to rally voters who might feel
disenfranchised or left behind by washington. that's one way to look at it. another way to look at it is the wall street journal op-ed that donald trump wrote this morning where he doesn't blame the rnc any longer. now he's trying to place the blame on ted cruz, saying he's trying to disenfranchise voters. for a man who siels himself as a warrior against the establishment, you wouldn't know it from his list of voters and endorsers. mr. cruz is celebrating their disenfranchisement. mr. cruz has no democratic path to the nomination. he's been mathematically eliminated by the voters. so donald trump is trying to paint ted cruz as shady. he's trying to paint him as dishonest. it's the same thing he did after ted cruz, the campaign, sent out
that e-mail about ben carson in iowa. it's an effective strategy for the campaign and one that's worked pretty well for him. two nights ago in pittsburgh, during a rally out there, donald trump or one of his surrogates mentioned ted cruz, the crowd started chanting, lying ted, lying ted. this is what donald trump is trying to do. he's trying to paint ted cruz as a liar, has somebody who is not to be trusted, somebody who is trying to steal the election while donald trump is just the man of the people. it looks like that sort of thing will work here in new york. we'll see if it works in places like pittsburgh, pennsylvania, and beyond. >> thanks so much. ted cruz remains in upstate new york today as he tries to pull some delegates away from donald trump, but he was in manhattan last night for that dinner. good morning. talk a little bit about cruz's
night. >> hey, there. ted cruz got what you might call a less than lukewarm reception at that new york republican dinner last night. you saw the crowd reaction. his laugh lines fell flat. his applause lines fell flat. this was simply not his crowd, especially after he talked about those new york values. he has since tried to clarify, talking about how people understand he is referring to liberal democratic values, but it was obvious, at least in manhattan last night, that the people were more into donald trump and less than into ted cruz. donald trump is hitting him again today with that op-ed in the wall stre"wall street journ disenfranchising voters. here's what he had to say to chuck todd in that town hall.
listen. >> who is picking this republican nominee, the delegates or the voters? >> both. but look it's a democratic process. it's been in place from the very beginning. we are campaigning with the voters. it is the people who are electing the delegates. if we go to a contested convention, it will be the delegates who were elected by the people to make the final decision, but they have been elected by the voters in the first place. >> cruz today will do some more campaigning in new york. he's got another town hall this morning and then a couple of stops upstate as he looks to try to keep donald trump from sweeping all the delegates in the state. then he turns to the rest of the northeast in a couple of days. then after that california. >> be sure to catch our reporters talking about life on the campaign trail in a special broadcast we're calling "road warriors" today at 4:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, the gloves are
off. >> i stood up against the behaviors of the banks when i was a senator. i called them out on their mortgage behavior. >> secretary clinton called them out. oh, my goodness. they must have been really crushed by this. >> bernie sanders and hillary clinton pulling no punches in their latest faceoff, but how did democratic voters feel about that? we'll check in with our own cal perry who is in brooklyn. bernie sanders arrived at the vatican a short time ago. he is expected to speak at a conference in building a, quote, moral economy. x-rays, mris. all on account...of penelope. but with the help of at&t, and a network that scales up and down on-demand, this hospital can be ready.
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cal, what are you hearing today. >> reporter: let me get out of the way because this is the best view on the island of manhattan. you certainly don't need to be looking at me for this. most of people who come on this bridge are tourists actually, but we got a few new yorkers. they weren't surprised that the tone was very brooklyn. the sanders and clinton's offices are right here on the edge of brooklyn. people says they're not surprised that the tone became a bit bickering, there was a bit of sarcasm. that is a bit brooklyn. most people have made up their minds here. you're either going to relate to bernie sanders who grew up here or hillary clinton who was the senator here. i'm not convinced there's much of a swing vote left here in brooklyn. >> interesting. cal, thanks. it's good to see you. coming up, how economics are impacting the 2016 election.
kate snow takes us to upstate new york where low-paying jobs and high taxes are leaving thousands of residents in poverty. who is winning the votes of these new yorkers? many of them older republicans and what are their thoughts about the election? then we go to rochester, a community college where students are training for high-tech jobs. whose message is resonating with these young students? we'll be right back.
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to residents who have a tough time making ends meet. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. we're in this beautiful place right now. we're at a cider mill. i'm from upstate. it's a beautiful place to live, but it's also sometimes a tough place to live. what you see when you drive through, it's pretty obvious that there's a lot of poverty, that there are places that are in hard times that may have been better off maybe 10, 20, 30 years ago. the poverty rate up in the county i'm standing is actually 19%, which is quite a bit higher than the national average of 15% poverty. so we went out and we talked to folks. we caught up with a sixth grade math teacher and i asked her how she would describe the economic conditions where she lives in upstate. >> the towns of dwindling. a lot of people are leaving here. the population is getting older
and older. the young folks are going where there's jobs, where they can be successful and prosperous. this isn't the place. >> you were talking about politicians. >> we don't exist to them pretty much it feels like because a lot of policies and what have you seem to always benefit or be geared toward the urban areas. they don't even come here. >> what are the kids like that come to your school? >> we have quite a few that get free and reduced lunch. a decent percentage for that. we have some kids that things aren't easy. things aren't easy. >> do you think in politics are people looking for better? they must be looking to improve their lives and get better paying jobs. >> absolutely. i think the middle and lower class have suffered the most with all the variety of policies that have come through. it almost seems like we're paying more and more and more
and the upper echelon is getting richer and richer and richer. we are hard working people and we deserve it too. >> reporter: and like a lot of folks up here liz did not want to say how she is leaning, who she is thinking of voting for. that is sort of an upstate new york thing. you don't talk about your politics. you don't wear it on your sleeve up here, but she did talk about a lot of her friends liking bernie sanders. everywhere we have gone up here, a lot of support for donald trump. i think it's largely in part because there are folks that are suffering and they want a change. they want something to be shaken up, so for some donald trump is really attractive. jose? >> kate snow thanks. we'll see you back here at 1:00 p.m. eastern time today. one industry that's been hit extra hard by the economy in upstate new york, manufacturing. we are at monroe community
college in rochester. good morning to you. what are students there telling you? >> reporter: good morning, jose. another day of shop classes for me. i'm at monroe community college. bernie sanders went through here. hillary clinton was through here. today ted cruz will be here. john kasich and donald trump have been in the area. they're all talking about jobs, the kind of jobs you do on machines like this one. this is a precision mill, computer controlled. the students here, they're more excited than you think. you've heard about manufacturing leaving the area, but in the last six months jobs have been added. about 1500. this is greg. i want to ask you a quick question here. who do you trust? which is the candidate that you trust with your economic future? >> it's always a tricky question, but based on everything that's been said so far kasich is the most consistent in his policy, how he's been describing it to everybody. based on what he says, he's been doing a good job in ohio. >> you look like a bernie guy
based on your demographic. why not him? >> his fiscal policy seems like it is overstretched. it's going to cost way too much. his message is great, but it is hard to justify the overhead cost. >> reporter: get back to work. a different perspective. this is randall -- sorry, randy. randy has been through the wars in this area. laid off from his last position. you're retraining ining in a h skilled area. >> yes, i am. >> which candidates do you think is going to ensure your employment when you get out of this school? >> i'm a die-hard democrat. for me, it has to be either hillary or bernie. i love bernie's ideas. i'm just not sure how he gets it done, so i'm leaning towards hillary. >> she's not sealed the deal yet for you? >> she's getting close. >> what do you think it will take? >> just hear more about her ideas for how she keeps jobs in the united states. that's mainly my concern with
her. how does she keep jobs here. >> big promises. you would think this might be a region where donald trump would be popular. in fact, he had a rally in the area and he got thousands of people to turn up. he claims 4,000 jobs have been evacuated from the area. that's not true. 1500 jobs have been added. the job board is full of listings for students at this particular university. >> good to see you, my friend. i want to get more reaction from last night's debate. wall street was the in the crosshairs last night. what's the reaction there this morning? >> reporter: good morning, jose. a lot of people on wall street feeling pretty defensive. one person said senator sanders ideas sound great but they're just not realistic. another person saying something i thought was a bit more illustrative saying bernie wants
to break up big banks because he doesn't want wall street to have power anymore. take a listen at some of the back and forth last night between senator sanders and secretary hillary clinton. >> i stood up against the behaviors of the banks when i was a senator. i called them out on their mortgage behavior. >> secretary clinton called them out. oh, my goodness. they must have been really crushed by this. and was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements -- >> reporter: of course, right there, jose, sanders is trying to bring up the fact that hillary clinton received $225,000 as a speaker fing fee speak to verizon executives. for her part, secretary clinton
also tried to defend herself against his accusations that he's been taking all this money from wall street by saying president obama did the exact same thing the last two election cycles. we spoke to a woman who is a sanders supporter. she thinks senator sanders is a guy who has a lot of integrity and cares about the people. >> john kasich is holding a town hall in watertown, new york. let's listen in for a little bit. >> to actually build a small-town neighbor attitude where we live. that's what we try to do. that's what i try to do. it's something i've really learned in the campaign because people come to these a lot of times with a heavy burden on their shoulders. and sometimes they take the burden off and put it on the crowd, which is an amazing thing to see. all right. enough of the preaching for
today. i grew up in that little town. i left there. everybody was hard working democrats, blue collar, god fearing, blah, blah, blah. i left to go to a small school many of you may have never heard of, ohio state university. ever heard of that? [ laughter ] >> you know, i come here -- i'm the first guy to come here since teddy roosevelt and they're booing me. what the hell? no wonder they don't come here. tough crowd. but i went there and i found myself in a dormitory with 15 college roommates. provide earth with unlimited clean power. in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes
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appearance there? >> reporter: hi, jose. we know that senator sanders is wrapping up his speech before this academic think tank. he gave about a ten-minute speech that was basically a smaller version of his stump speech focusing on those issues that bernie sanders has made prominent in his campaign for the democratic nomination for the presidency. income inequality. he took a swipe at the u.s. supreme court for its citizens united decision, saying the court has allow eed billionaire to be able to buy elections. what is different about this speech were all the references he made to popes in this speech. given the setting, it perfectly made sense. in particular to pope francis, who is someone bernie sanders feels very much a kinship with in large part because of their
positions on climate change and income inequality. he praised pope francis for putting a name to the predicament of our time, the globalization of indifference. he says pope francis is the very demonstration against the cynicism that this system has to go on. he praised pope francis for rallying people to look at things in a different way, and he said this is a moral issue. the economic differences that exist in our country and in our world today are indeed a moral issue, and he called on everyone to work together for the common good. >> thanks so much. i want to go back to politics now. whatever happens tuesday in new york, we know the race is going to continue. it's impossible for either frontrunner to get a majority of delegates needed for their respective nominations this tuesday, so will it be, i don't know, may when the primary race wraps up? are we going to go all the way to the end?
let me bring in our senior political reporter. >> good to see you, jose. >> when we look at the political map, you have a slew of states in the northeast and indiana. what's the likelihood of a trump sweep here? >> when you're in maryland and pennsylvania, you're in connecticut, i think you could see trump win maybe new york and then five states on the 26th. he could have a big winning streak, but it doesn't matter just that you win a state. it's how you win. it's how many delegates you get, and that's what is key to watch here. the key number is 1237. even if he wins these states in the northeast coming up, indiana is going to be harder, washington, oregon. there are a lot of states that will be harder for trump to win outside of the northeast where he is strong and ted cruz is weak. >> do they have the money and the organization to stay in this race until the end?
>> we know that cruz -- kasich has been talking about going to the convention in july for a long time already and spending very little money. cruz this week has been talking about winning at the convention as well. i think you're not going to see those two men drop out of the race until donald trump has 1,237 tell gats. so they're going to be here until the end, i would argue until july. >> perry, we've been watching as we speak with you some live pictures out of the vatican where we just saw what seems to be the group that is with senator sanders. apparently, he's just wrapped up his comments there. there you see him with his wife. perry, this is an unusual thing. taking a 24-hour break from the campaign at this pivotal time, this is an important thing for the senator of vermont. >> it's a big statement. bernie sanders is jewish, but rarely talks about his faith in
that sense. what you have seen him do is really embrace this pope in a very profound way. in sanders' view, pope francis is for the things bernie sanders is for. income inequality, helping the poor, reducing the gap between the rich and the poor. we just had a debate. sanders flew there pretty much as soon as the debate ended, but i think sanders is the -- the pope is the perfect person for sanders to associate himself with. even though he's not going to meet the pope on this trip, which is my understanding.
of cameras, a lot of interest for the senator. they're lobby lobbing some questions in italian to him. let's listen in. >> right up against the vatican walls there. >> very excited to be at the vatican to have the opportunity to say a few words to the academy about the need for a moral economy. in my country and around the world, we are seeing a handful of very, very wealthy people become wealthier while most people are becoming poorer. in fact, the top 1% of people on this planet now own more wealth than the bottom 99%. that, to me, is unacceptable. it is unsustainable. it is immoral. and together, we have got to
change that. and i have been enormous impressed by pope francis speaking out and his visionary views about creating a moral economy, an economy that works for all people, not just the people on top. and what he has said over and over again, we cannot allow the market just to do what the market does. that's not acceptable. we have got to engrain moral principles into our economy, and there is no area where that is clearer than in the area of climate change. the greed of the fossil fuel industry is literally destroying our planet. the scientists are virtually unanimous. climate change is real, and it is caused by human activity. it is already causing
devastating problems all over this planet and whether the fossil fuel industry likes it or not, we have got to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. and what pope francis has told us over and over again is we have the wealth to do that, we have the technology to do that, we have the know-how to do that, but we have got to confront the greed of people who are so much more concerned about their own billions than the future of the children and the future of our planet. so i am just so excited to be here, so proud to be here, with other like-minded people who are trying to do our best to create a moral economy. jeff, where are you? >> right here. right here. >> jeff, come next to me.
>> we can move back a little. >> jeff, why don't you say a few words? >> i want to say how thrilled the participants are today at the pontifical academy of social sciences to hear sanders and his very powerful remarks today. all day we've been discussion g i -- discussing the injustice of the world economy because we have been reflecting where pope john-paul ii warned us of these things. if greed and power is led out of moral control, we lose. senator sanders has been making this point again and again in every part of my country and around the world. i can tell you because i've been with the participants how thrilled many of the leaders of this church and many of the
participants from around the world are to welcome senator sanders here. >> yes. >> tell us just a little bit about why this time away from the u.s. campaign trail is worthwhile for you and what you hope to see accomplished here. >> because i believe the pope has played a historical and an incredible role in trying to create a new world economy and a new vision for the people of our planet. what he is saying is that we cannot continue to go forward when so few have so much and when greed is such a destructive force not only in the united states, of course, but throughout this world. i have long been a supporter of the economic vision of pope francis, his views on climate change have played a profound role. let me tell you i'm a member of
the senate committee on the environment. pope francis has played a profound role in turning many people's minds around about the urgency of the moment in terms of dealing with climate change. when i received this invitation -- yeah, i know it's talk taking me away from the campaign trail for a day. but when i received this information, it was so moving to me that it was something that i could just simply not refuse to attend. >> do you think it will help you with the catholic vote in new york though? >> senator sanders! [ cheering and applause ]
>> reporter: and what you are watching right here is of course bernie sanders as he was leaving the vatican, just talking a little bit about why he was there. if you're just joining us, we were watching as he was exiting there. bernie sanders, of course, got on a plane late last night after wrapping up that very fiery debate with hillary clinton right here in brooklyn. got on a plane, went to rome for this meeting. it was an invitation that in his words he said that was so moving he could not refuse to come. he was talking about the church's views on climate change and also this pope. he made that quick trip. there have been a number of questions this week as we look at the poll numbers here in new york, and if we look at things like the delegate count, there's been a lot of questions about whether bernie sanders should be making this trip 24