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mothers and telling them how much we appreciate all they've done. hey, tommy, i didn't see you sitting there. i apologize. and he would say, "dad, not me. not me today." i whispered back as i was leaving that he's right. it's memorial day, but everything here and everyone knows about beau, was he devoted his whole life to his family and other people. >> vice president biden remembering his son, the late beau biden. biden marked memorial day in new castle, delaware where the national guard headquarters there were named in honor of his son beau who died of brain cancer one year to the date of yesterday's ceremony. beau biden enlisted in the
national guard in 2003, and deployed to iraq five years later. he earned the legion of merited bronze star and later served two terms as delaware's attorney general. good morning everyone. it's tuesday, may 31st. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have former communications director nicole wallace, msnbc former democratic congressman harold ford, jr. along with willie, joe, and me. joe is here, he is. he will be. >> can i say something, i was a college classmate of beau biden. a lot of things you hear about him are true. everything his dad said and his friends and family members said about him -- >> i loved having him -- >> my prayers go out to you. >> everyone had a good memorial day weekend? >> yeah. i was out on the west coast.
stepped away from work for a minute. >> wow, west coast. i had graduations/birthday party with 30 18-year-olds. it was like herding chickens. very big one. >> like a day at the office, right? >> i'm so tired. i'm so glad to be here. i'm so glad i'm here! i wasn't sure how it was going to go. >> you survived. >> i survived herding massive, crazy chickens. so we're going to get to the weekend's developments and the presidential race in a moment. we got a lot of news for you. i just wonder, though, what you think of this zoo story. it's not really us but i asked you before the show started and you started talking. >> we all have kids that age. i will confess to have little object objectivity. i have a 4-year-old kid and i was a crappy enough mother that my kid ended up in the enclosure. i would want them to do what
they did. >> the cincinnati zoo is defending its actions. after a child fell into the animal's enclosure. i want to know how that happens. >> it happens because you have a 3-year-old. >> i do, too. everyone has to take some responsibility. i would take a little bit of responsibility. but i think they did the right thing. >> the zoo's director said the gorilla had to be shot so authorities could rescue the 3-year-old. this is obvious but now there's growing outrage over the incident. blake mccoy reports. >> reporter: outrage over an incident at the cincinnati zoo when a 3-year-old boy fell into the gorilla enclosure on saturday. for ten agonizing minutes onlookers watched including boy's mother who cried out to him. at one point the 420-male silver back named harambe grabbed the boy's ankle and dragged him through the water. zoo officials opened fire
killing the gorilla and rescuing the boy. zoo keepers defended their decision. >> naturally, we didn't take the shooting of harambe lightly. but that child's life was in danger. >> on social media a fire storm. people upset the gorilla was killed. many blame the boy's mother who runs a daycare center. an online petition urges she be charged with negligence. in a facebook post, the mother defended her herself. a subsequent statement thanked the zoo for its actions. >> being a gorilla and unfortunately it paid the ultimate price for something that was not his fault. >> reporter: zoo officials say a tranquilizer would have taken too long and enraged the gorilla more. they're trying to figure out how
the boy got in the enclosure. it's followed by four feet of vegetation before a 15-foot drop into a mote. harambe he harambe heard splashing and jumped in. a small vigil outside the zoo where organizers say something is being lost in the blame game. >> in the middle of this fighting, the victim is being forgotten. >> inside the zoo, flowers surround a gorilla statute as the exhibit remains closed. >> yeah, i think so, mika. >> no. i can't believe anyone is complaining that the gorilla had to be killed. i'm not sure why the enclosure involved something that a child could climb over with not another thing the child could not climb over -- >> yeah. >> everyone is blaming the mom. are you kidding me? you should not be able to get into a gorilla enclosure at the zoo. >> maybe the animal people see it differently. we're all parents. >> what would -- >> i'm not defending them!
i have a 4-year-old who can easily climb over something. >> this is not a story. >> it's horrifying. that the gorilla had to be shoot. the zoo has a protocol that if there's a human and a gorilla and something happens that's it. i hate that gorilla was killed. >> me too. >> a beautiful animal. and i hate the kid was able to get in. but anyone who has a 3 or 4-year-old you turn your head for two seconds they wander away. >> it's up to the zoo to keep kids out. >> agreed. >> agreed. >> no debate here. you're welcome. you're welcome. >> that reminds me -- >> no, i'm serious. >> do you see the lines on his face? >> how did luke olson get in there? oh, come on! >> all right. >> can i please get to politics? >> can't get away. >> on hillary clinton? >> yes. the interesting thing is that
bernie sanders match up from last week now trailing her 47 to 45. when it comes who voters think will win in november, clinton's lead over trump has been whittled down to one point. trump up four clinton down four. bernie sanders, by the way, leading trump by 12 in the head-to-head. and now trump won't debate him. he refuses. >> because it would be inappropriate. >> that's not true. >> inappropriate. >> what? >> donald trump? >> doesn't take a challenge. >> no he didn't say that. >> yes he did. >> i didn't watch the news. i don't have to. donald trump is afraid to debate bernie sand ers? >> i don't know about afraid. >> he said he would and then he said he was joking. he said he would welcome it. >> i saw jimmy kimmel. >> let me tell you what happened. >> he looked serious when he said it.
>> he won't debate second place guy. he believes hillary is in there for the wrong reason. >> based on the fact that the democratic office is totally rigged -- >> there you go. like wise, the networks want to make a killing on these events. a be bernie sanders didn't take the news well. >> what? >> i would have loved -- >> oh, i know. first, he said he would do it. then he said he wouldn't. then he said he would do it.
then he said he wouldn't do it. so i would hope that if he changed his mind four times in two days, change it a fifth time. you know, trump claims to be a tough guy, pushes people around. hey, donald, come on up. let's have a debate about the future of america. [ cheers and applause ] and i say to donald trump, you're a big macho guy. if you have any guts, come on down and let's debate! >> said it in north dakota when he clenched the nomination he stood before the group and said i would debate bernie sanders. we'll raise money for charity and bernie accepted. >> yeah. but apparently -- >> says he won't. >> he did elevate bernie sanders even more. to keep bernie around for awhile. keep in the center of the conversation for a few days. >> this is the art of the deal and he wants the networks to give up the proceeds for the
night to charities. >> i think he likes having hillary clinton getting crushed from both sides. >> yeah. >> and the presumptive nominee. >> he doesn't want to right now. maybe he'll change his mind. after all he's done he uses the word inappropriate. it would be abnormal. >> yeah. >> all right. on sunday weekly standard editor bill kristol teased there would be a third party joining the 2016 race tweeting out this -- why would he tweet that if it's not true? is it true? >> well, a real minute -- >> donald trump fired back an hour later. this preemptive strike.
trump went after kristol calling him a dummy. >> that'll do it. >> and warning if kristol did manage to get an independent candidate to run, republicans could, quote, say goodbye to the supreme court. trump continued to insult kristol while calling republicans to unify. kristol responded to trump's outbursttweeting. who has a bigger ego kristol or trump? >> all right. >> is bill kristol serious? >> trump campaign manager weighed in on the possibility of a third party candidate. >> third party run by any candidate is a complete disaster. you're handing over the white house to the democrats. which means four or five potential supreme court justices that hillary clinton would have a chance to appoint. if she does that you can say goodbye to the second amendment. if mitt romney decides he wants
to get in the race. number one, he's a faced candidate. number two, he failed twice. if he runs a third time, he'll fail again. he'll allow a democrat to appoint four or five supreme court justices that will be devastating long-term to our country. it's a failure. >> you know first of all, do we think kristol is going to be doing this? >> i think we don't know. i think that the notion that it would be a spoiler is not the case. we don't know what would happen. >> that's not the case. >> we have to explain -- because i've had conversation. you have to explain to people it's not now about a third party candidate that gets on 50 ballots. it's about something that kicks this to the house of representatives. >> right. >> i think it's the bridge that everyone that isn't following this minute by minute doesn't understand. you don't need to be on 50 ballots. so all the conversation around independent candidates has been about deadlines for ballot access. this is about a different
conversation and it is not too late. >> so you to stop the other ones to get to 270. >> to get enough electoral votes. if you get an electoral vote you get thrown into the house and suddenly if you're house members and voting for hillary clinton, donald trump, or mitt romney, you're going to have a lot of people in your party certainly a lot of your numbers for you if it's mitt romney to vote for mitt romney. and look what happened over the past two or three weeks. right. hillary had a terrible, terrible time with all the new fbi information coming out. the new e-mail information coming out. donald trump had some of his roughest two or three weeks over the past two or three weeks. their approval ratings keep going down. the poll last week had mitt sitting at 20%. and mitt got a lot of his votes from hillary supporters. there are a lot of democrats that don't want to vote for hillary. there are a lot of republicans
that don't want to vote for trump. this might be the time that a guy that is not all excitement. we've seen what excitement has gotten, as some people may say. let's go with a steady guy. mitt romney, you know, he started at 20%. he could do something here, if he decided to jump in. >> that's the model that mike murphy and other people have been talking about. go steal a couple of states. you don't have to get on the ballot all over the country and try to win the election outright. if you win ohio, let's say -- >> three or four states. >> you focus all your time and resources and energy you could pull those out enough that nobody gets the 270 and it goes to the house of representatives. you need that person. right. who is that person who can win states that are tough to win? >> who has a traditional reagan principles and confident and steady. >> i don't know who -- you're right. they have to find a person. maybe combine five or six people
and get the person. what states do you win with romney? i hear perot did well in '92. he didn't win an electoral vote because he didn't win a race. i think hillary clinton gets stronger and whether it's mitt romney or you pick mitt romney i don't know who it would be. >> i wasn't nailing him down but say it's romney and say it's trump. do we honestly believe that romney takes enough -- i'm asking you, do you believe he takes enough democratic votes in 5, 6, 2, 3 even just one or two states. >> he's 2535- -- i don't know hw low hillary clinton's numbers go. >> let's say it's romney or somebody else. the states you look at. utah is actually at the top of the list. >> one of trump's weakest states. >> an independent state. >> a state that republicans should win. >> states where they haven't won
but could win. you look at states where republican governors win and democratic states and you look at wisconsin. >> okay. >> you look at possibly michigan. you certainly would look at the upper midwest. you look at minnesota. you look at states like iowa. you look at states like oregon that have, like, sort of tough independent streaks. that's good places to start. i would suggest, too, a guy like mitt romney would look south. utah -- trump doesn't have support in utah because of the values voters. >> right. >> they gave him a good run for his money. i'm from the deep south. ted cruz that is a guy that ain't going to play statewide in the deep south. if mitt romney they knew how to hammer him in mississippi, arkansas, tennessee where real value voters. that's a place where you're hammering the right way your
support bleeds. trump bleeds into the low teens. you could. it just depends on who that candidate is. >> i don't disagree with any of the scenarios you mentioned. i don't see how this turns out not in favor of mrs. clinton. utah should be a republican state. wisconsin, michigan, oregon. you're right. if he's able to defeat her the plurality wins. >> you got to get to 270. >> if you win wisconsin, michigan, and oregon and you're mrs. clinton. >> no, win statewide. >> right but mrs. clinton. >> who does romney take votes from? >> from both. >> right. indi i understand but if mrs. clinton beats them she wins. >> right. >> i don't imagine democrats in wisconsin are saying am i going to vote for mitt romney or hillary clinton? >> a lot are saying i don't like hillary clinton. >> true. but once sanders exits the race and sanders, warren, and others are campaigning for hillary against -- >> sanders is going to campaign
for hillary? >> he's not pulling out a vice presidential slot. >> he's already said he does not want to see trump be elected president. i can find -- >> before he spent three months. it's not mathematically possible for sanders to be the nominee. he's been calling her things as nasty and damaging as trump has. so next week do you have credibility with the democratic base? >> fair enough. >> do you believe he's going to endorse donald trump? >> no. >> lths make it easy. >> it's not an outside shot. but the thing that is fun is -- i'm not saying it's not going to be romney. you look where romney's numbers are, he takes from hillary and trump. i would be surprised. if there is a candidate out there that has a little more of a populace streak or a tough populist run. >> who is it? >> i don't know. you can have somebody -- >> general. >> the upper midwest then you
get a win like in ohio or florida. >> or new mexico. >> or new mexico. >> or nevada. >> yeah. it's a long shot. >> someone that supports hillary clinton i welcome a mitt romney entrance into the race. when the question is asked whom are you putting opt supreme court, where do you stand on climate change? that's all i'm saying. >> is there any possibility? bill kristol would not tweet this as the editor without it being true. >> bill's tweets are always true. or palin. >> he's coming next tuesday. >> maybe he'll announce it. >> yeah. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> i stayed up watching. >> steph curry came back from 3-1 in the serious series left for dead. >> who won mvp. >> of the series? >> i didn't see. probably steph. >> it should have been clay. clay thompson saved them.
>> yeah. >> and now cleveland this year has a full team now. they have kevin love and kyrie irving. it's going to be a good series. >> jackson gruiffin is mourning >> sorry. >> a massive thunder guy. >> a huge thunder guy. >> he's obsessed with the thunder. >> thinking about you, brother. hillary clinton is going back to california. coming up the democratic frontrunner hoping to make a full pivot to the general. first, she has to prevent another upset from bernie sanders, which could happen. she could do it before california. we'll explain that. plus, the senate majority leader republican mitch mcconnell is here on set. his take on 2016 and how the top of the ticket could impact control of congress. but, first, here is bill kairns with a check on the forecast. a wild weekend. >> it was. the flooding in texas, the mid atlantic dealt with a tropical storm, and areas of the mid atlantic and jersey shore
yesterday. the most impressive video we saw from pete's, colorado. let me show you the tornado. this was over the top of that dirt road. that's why it had an amazing picture. it was literally like a vacuum sucking up all the dirt into the bottom of if. and it extended to the north up to the cloud base. pretty amazing stuff. one barn was destroyed. no injures. there's the final picture of that. what was left of bonnie is spinning off the south carolina coast. that's exiting, unless you're at martha's vineyard a dry day in new england. middle of the country dealing with strong storms on the border of kansas and oklahoma. a wet morning for much of minnesota. over the next three days the worst will be in texas once again. we'll see as much as 3 to 4 inches of rainfall across the state over the next three days. we have a lot of rivers in major to moderate flood stages. they'll stay high until we stop raining in the lone star state. another warm one today. probably one of the warmest all week up the east coast and the
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>> if your question is if i think secretary clinton than trump that is not a debate. of course that is true. >> would you take the call if hillary clinton asked you to be her running mate? >> well, right now, again, what i'm we're in california. that's where i am right now. what happens after wards we will, you know, we'll see. right now my focus is on winning the nomination. >> that's an opening. i've never heard more of an opening than that. >> yeah. you think he wants to be vice president? >> that would pretty much close it all up. wouldn't it? >> are the warriors going to the championship? >> yes, they are! >> joining us from washington associate editor of the washington post eugene robinson. >> gene, were you in washington yesterday? >> excuse me? >> were you in washington? >> yes. it. >> it had to be getting around
with the 600,000 people for donald trump's motorcycle rally. >> it was a mad crush down there. >> was the metro shut down? [ laughter ] >> metro was shut down. helicopters over everything. it was quite a scene. >> all right. >> we'll have more on that later. >> we're commenting on -- >> i just thought i read something in the paper that he was distraught that it wasn't as big -- >> yeah. >> okay. i thought it would be like dr. martin luther king where people were lined up from here to the washington monument. unfortunately they aren't allowed to come in. apparently there were 5,000 inside but 600,000 people were outside. >> nobody else saw the 600,000. >> gene wrote about this. why don't i read about it? then we'll get to california, which is what i was going to cover this block.
opponent. could not get 5,000 people >>well, yeah, but rolling thunder. this was billed as a, you know -- look, you get 5,000 people handing out free ice cream or something like that on rolling thunder weekend you'll get 5,000 people. >> gene, this is a guy that does rallies across the country that gets thousands of people. >> trump expressed disappointment. >> all right. i get it. >> they were all in town -- >> i understand. >> they're here. they're here. it's not like he has a, you know, it's not like he had to draw them to town. the place is full of harley davidsons. you can't go anywhere because of the convoys of motorcycles going up-and-down the avenues. it's a huge annual event. come here for rolling thunder some year. >> so you're saying -- >> it looks like a pretty good
crowd. >> are you saying not as many people because of donald trump? >> i'm saying they didn't bother. they're in town. they're wandering up-and-down the mall. a lot of them are right, you know, across the way at vietnam veteran's memorial and other places around that stretch of the mall. they didn't bother to drop by. they weren't that interested. >> a small crowd only by donald trump standards compared to his crucial crowd. >> right. he looked out and he look eed disappointed. >> yeah. he said he expected mlk-sized crow crowds. >> that's so wrong. >> you're making fun of the analogy. >> his analogy. >> it's so wrong on so many levels. you can't -- i mean, you know, come on. come on. >> and when eugene and joe say the same thing in unitson maybe we have a point. >> hillary clinton spent monday
marching in a memorial day parade. she's cancelling events in the northeast to return to california early for five straight days of campaigning. a sign of the rising stakes. she doesn't want to lose california. and while it's possible that she could secure enough delegates to shut the book on the nomination before polls even close there, bernie sanders is looking for a comeback. over the weekend, he spoke at event after event with thousands of people. here he is in oakland, in front of what police say was 11,000 people. but the biggest crowd wasn't his. sanders showed up at halftime as the golden state warriors sought a game seven come-from-behind victory against the oklahoma city thunder. he watched with danny glover. sanders did not wear the free yellow t-shirts that thousands of others did. when warriors won with con fetdy in the air he took it as a metaphor for his own campaign.
>> they're down three games and turned it around. >> wow. >> all right. so california, nicole, you're from california. talk about how important this is for bernie. like, even if he can't win, i think the clinton camp with as many losses as they've wracked up over the past month or two, they find a california loss pretty devastating. >> totally devastating! and i can't think of what the republican analogy would have been. i guess it would have been, umm, our guys staying in until the convention even though trump had it locked up. they would be getting slaughtered by the media. and you say anything bad about bernie attacking hillary and how he's doing real damage, which is evidence in the poll, not a personal opinion. you know, they go berserk. when you're leading a movement, when your supporters are that passionate, and you have a
chance of winning the biggest prize left in the calendar california how do you go away? and hillary four days after the last primary endorsed obama, i don't see it. i don't see sanders. you think on june 11th. >> he said he's not going to. >> we talked about it. bernie sanders is not running a political campaign. he's leading a movement not only to change the democratic party but to change america. if you win in california, very diverse saying he doesn't do well in diverse states. but if he wins the big prize. if he wins in california, mika, that movement continues to take off. and then you have -- >> a movement -- >> you have to consider bernie sanders as your vice president. >> a movement that is based on a message. which many argue hillary clinton had a hard time for two years we've been asking what is her message. and here now over the weekend is bernie sanders. >> hold on a second. if you're driving your car. i have more and more people tell us they're listening while they're driving in.
mika is holding up a "boston globe" and it talks about hillary clinton's slogan is hard to pin down. she doesn't know what her message is. willie geist, not a problem for bernie sanders. >> no. i mean, look, she still has 3 million plus votes. she's ahead fair and square. but if she loses california that becomes a problem. he said he's going to the convention. whatever happens in california he's going to the convention. if she's locked up the nomination, he continues in this fight, what does he want at that convention to do what hillary clinton supporters will hope he will do, which is to go away. he's a pest to them now. >> right. everybody is saying, you know, perhaps he can control the platform. who cares about that! you have millions of people following you. you have tens of thousands of people coming out. you have raised $180 million and $27 a pop.
you want something more. >> you have all that. >> you want to be vice president and you want to have a stake in the game and you want to have power over policy. >> you have all that and so you a message, and here he is hammering it home again. take a look. >> what the establishment always does, they do it today and they did it a hundred years ago, is to tell people that in real fundamental change isn't possible. they tell you to think small not big. well, like one of my opponents -- yes, that's true. now, i don't want to mention her name, but that's true. >> senator sanders has the right to run. no question. he ought to be able to read the sign posts as well as anybody else. and if he did that, he would know that it's all but over. i know the passion of a
campaign. i know when you're in it, and you just keep go, go, go until the last hours there. well, the last hour is close by. >> what do you think? >> if he loses california, i disagree. i think the call for him to get out of the race will grow unanimity. he had every right to run. you gave it all you had. the score board says one thing and you have to move on as much as you have raised the important issues. two, she has -- one can argue she's been weakened by him continuing to stay in the race because he continues to raise the issues. i think the corollary he keeps democrats excited. i don't see the democrats supporting or independents supporting him saying i'm going to support mitt romney or i'm going to support donald trump. i think at the end of the day, they'll come around to her because they understand issues he cares deeply about. she has the greatest chance.
>> number two, you're dreaming. number two -- >> i don't -- [ talking over each other ] >> i've seen conservatives win. bob dole won. john mccain won. when mitt romney won saying there's no way in hell -- tell me i'm going to vote for them. >> the donald trump is nominee, i think, if you take bernie sanders at his word. he's made clear he doesn't want to see a billionaire elected who claims he cares for middle class values. i happen to believe he will work on behalf of the democratic ticket. will they hug and kiss and have the kind of reunion that many want? maybe not. the warriors were favored to win this series. so the warriors in many ways are like hillary clinton. they came back and won the race. for him to compare himself to the warriors is slightly unfair. >> if she picks -- >> you seem passionate. >> if she pick s him as vice president everyone could be
happy. >> he's not doing it for his health, for sure. the must read opinion pages for a reason. we'll read from mike barnacle's new column. highlights from the show every day. go to msnbc.com and subscribe to our news letter. "morning joe" back in a moment. >> i'll tell you what amazes me. i thought this would be like dr. martin luther king where the people would be lined up from here to the washington monument. right. unfortunately, they don't allow them to come in. and you have all these people on the roads and they're all waiving and going crazy. we got to do this for next year. where rolling thunder allows everybody to be here. 's more tha network and the cloud. it's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network,
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coming up four months ago donald trump told "morning joe" about his big fundraising haul on behalf of american service-members. >> i raised $6 million for the vets. i had had something that night. i had basically a fund-raiser for the vets. it appeared in one hour we raised $6 million. so i was very happy with that. and, frankly, i don't think i would have given up the first -- and not give the vets $6 million. finishing second and getting them $6 million was okay for me. >> $6 million. >> that's nice. >> the washington post david
followed the money. we'll talk to him about how much money has gone where it was supposed to go. we're going to get his reporting. >> wait, did he not really raise $6 million? >> and donald trump's pointed response. straight ahead on "morning joe." oh, look... ...another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works... ...in one week.
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it was swallowed up by the pacific ocean. and mike barnicle tel the story of america through his uncle, through his grandmother. the sacrifices that people made back then and reminder of memorial day the sacrifices that a lot of people, too few, but a lot of people are making for this country now. >> we had sebastian decker on last week and we asked why it is this company can sustain a national conversation about veterans and how we do right by them. when you look at it the way mike did through a lens of history and all they give and how little, you know, we ask of people. it's extraordinary. >> check out mike's piece in the "daily beast." >> thank you, mike. still ahead. you're telling me there's a chance? >> would you except the vice presidential slot? >> right now i'm trying to become the democratic nominee. and that's where my focus is on right now. what happens the day after, it
appears i'm not going to become the nominee, that's subject for further discussion. >> it is subject for further discussion. >>well, the whole process is subject for further discussion. maybe you'll become the nominee. >> i don't think so. >> all right. we don't know. >> that went well. the whole process. maybe you are open for discussion. maybe that piece of grass. i don't know. what do you want me to tell you. >> that was a yes. >> that would be great. >> would she do it? would she do it? >> i think she would. >> if not, there's the idea that harold had it across the table last week. it certainly wasn't me. >> it was a male. >> no. i think she wants bernie instead of elizabeth warren. if she has to make that decision. >> could be either one. >> i think warren will likely but i think -- >> bernie has amazing movement behind him. you want that energy behind him.
>> elizabeth warren's comments last week were the most effective assessment of trump and what he stands for that i've heard. >> in a great kind of way. >> bernie sanders has a movement. if you can take your campaign and plug it into a movement like that, game on. because bernie would be getting those ground throughout the fall. >> it's not transferable. >> it may not be transferable but it's a movement, though, the crowd. >> it sends a message. >> they keep following bernie. >> oh, yeah. >> i will tell you this hillary clinton and bernie sanders will have larger crowds than hillary clinton will have by herself. >> agreed. >> chris jansing joins the table ahead. "morning joe" is coming right back. & in a world held back by compromise, businesses need the agility to do one thing & another.
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we're together. you can't get rid of us. i remember what i said when the president asked me to join the ticket, i said my whole family comes. he said that's great. he had no damn idea. >> welcome back to "morning j " joe." it's tuesday, may 31st. with us we have chris jansing who is covering the presidential campaign headed to california right after she gets off the air with us. and washington pulitzer prize winning columnist msnbc political analyst eugene robinson along with willie, joe, and me. a poll shows donald trump gaining ground on hillary clinton up two points from last week and trailing her 47-45. when it comes to who voters think will win in november, clinton's lead over trump has been whittled down to one point. trump up four, clinton down four. bernie sanders holding steady
and leading trump by 12. trump will tailor his campaign to 15 states. among them new york. a new college poll shows clinton well ahead in that state. 52 to 31 though trump has cut into her lead. >> let's stop. show that again. trump has been saying for some time he was going to win new york. he's going to win in new york. he's losing new york 52 to 31%. and if he's whittled into the lead he's plus one now in his state. that's the thing we can talk about national polls. we can talk about the excitement that trump has brought to the primary process, but there are a lot of states like new york where trump said he's going to win but he's not going to put into play. >> no. he's not going to make new york a contested state. he's simply not. as you know, you have to win by state. so you to look at the state polls and, you know, look, i
take the polls seriously that say the race has tightened nationally, but when you look at the state polls, you still have this daunting electoral map that faces any republican candidate, and that really faces donald trump. and it's very difficult to see him put it together. not to say it can't possibly happen, but it's still stacked against him. >> yeah. over the weekend bernie sanders spoke at event after event with thousands of people in every audience. here he is in oakland. in front of what police say was 11,000 people. the biggest crowd wasn't his. he showed up at halftime as the golden state warriors sealed a game seven come from behind victory against the oklahoma city thunder. while the odds are long he can somehow win the nomination. in an interview with chris jansi jansing, he remained defiant. >> if you don't win california now, will you drop out?
>>let not get in speculation. i think we're going to win california and do well in the remaining states. our job is to win the nomination. >> wow, chris. that's an opening. he seemed far more open to this. >> he's a realist. he understands the numbers. he knows what is going on. on the other hand, it's hard to describe unless you're there day after day after day to go to the events. there's thousands of people screaming. >> massive. >> if people said six months ago that i would see 22-year-old women in tears after meeting a candidate, i would have said hillary clinton. right. the possibility of the first woman president has so overwhelmed them and moved them. no. i saw a young woman who i thought honestly was going to pass out and she was crying and saying "i touched bernie sanders." you talk about a movement. it's like paul mccartney in 1964 when he walks out there. i don't know how you walk away
from that. he's not ready to walk away from that. he doesn't think he has to. his supporters don't think he has to. they know the numbers, too. we sat down with a group of young women, because they're the ones that hillary clinton really needs to win over. right. he's winning by twice at what she has in terms of women under 29. it's unbelievable the support he has. my question was, but if he's not the nominee, could you support hillary clinton? could you go what would you do? >> bernie made it clear he's not giving up until the end. i'm going to stand with him. the race is still tight. it's not yet fully decided. it's looking really close now between hillary and bernie. >> you mean in california. >> in california. there's a chance overall in the whole race. >> he's been consistent in his messaging and throughout his political career to take the money out of politics. to really focus on the working
and middle class. and that really resonates with me. i know there's a lot of talk about polls and numbers and delegates. but for me i'm going to support the candidate most in line with my values and that's bernie. >> physical nominee is not bernie, though, hillary? >> i'm taking it one step at a time. >> if the nominee is not bernie, i have to do a reevaluation. >> donald trump? >> no. absolutely not. i'm a democrat, after all. and i'm not racist. so, you know, i mean, i would to reevaluate who i'm supporting that the particular juncture. i'm not there yet. it's a little bit presumptive to get to that point. >> right now bernie is a candidate running for president. when this moment of time right now i'm voting for that man. >> when people say to the two of you, you're hurting hillary clinton's chances to take the white house that she's now
having to divert attention she should be focussing on donald trump and put it toward. that's a poor argument. >> we're watching the republican party go up in flames. so to see, like, somehow there be a threat in the democratic party is kind of absurd at this point. >> this is a microcausam of what we're seeing in the polls, which is that young women, like everyone else, they don't believe that hillary clinton is trust worthy. they don't believe that what she says is necessarily what she's going to do. she has a real problem and better than any sanders could help bridge the gap but he's not there yet. there's no doubt about the fact -- he said to me donald trump is dangerous. he said to me on saturday. but in terms of making that leap and wholeheartedly going in and saying, all right, hillary clinton is our person. he's not there yet and you can see they aren't. >> wow. >> given the lead hillary clinton has now and the fact that probably next tuesday a week from today after california
and new jersey, she'll have enough delegates to be the nominee. don't you think the journey we heard from some of the young women will be what a lot bernie sanders has i'm with bernie. i'm not voting for donald trump. does that mean they stay home or vote for hillary clinton? >> you know, the thing is there's an in between. let's bring in chris isse eliza. there's an in between. you have people that stay at home. you have people that vote, and but then, actually, more extreme you have people that are going to vote and make phone calls. vote and canvass neighborhoods. vote and tell people in church. vote and tell people at their pta meetings. vote and go every they go handing out clinton/bernie stickers or whatever. it seems it's the biggest problem for hillary. if she wants to engage on
facebook. >> and create young women. >> it seems to me that if bernie vp pick is the way you do that. you can plug into his network. but it's not enough to go out and vote. you have to go out an vote and drag your neighborhood, your best friend, your uncle out to vote. that's what the obama people did. they would be on phones like 5:00 in the after. you vice president vohaven't vo. can somebody pick you up? that's what she she needs. >> that's right. chris began sing showed bernie reflects my values. i believe in him.
i'm very skeptical she picks sanders or elizabeth warren very vp. i think she needs to do something probably too either excite the left. show the left that she understands that sanders engendered a passion she struggled to do. the only thing working for her, if she wants to pick someone like a tim cain that is a governing pick. she's running against trump. as you saw on the thing that the group of women that chris jansing interviewed the laughter, as willie pointed our. i could never be for trump. her best mess act. i continue to believe her best message is i'm the candidate not named donald trump in the presidential election. >> that's the new message, i guess. there have been many. over the rest of the holiday weekend sanders kept up the pressure on hillary clinton and what he calls establishment
politics. >> what the establishment m always does. they do it today and a hundred years ago is to tell people in real fundamental change isn't possible. what they tell you to do is to think small not big. no, i don't want to mention her name, but that is true. >> nobody will have enough pledged delegates to win the democratic nomination. either secretary clinton or myself will be depending on super delegates. that's a fact. and i think, you know, there's some discussion that some meteor is going to say the campaign is over. she's the nominee on tuesday night after the votes come in from new jersey. that's not accurate. i don't think the dnc thinks that's accurate. their most important
responsibility is to make certain that the democratic party has the strongest candidate possible to defeat donald trump. i believe if you look at all of the polling done in the last two months. whether it's national polling, whether it's state polling, we not only defeat donald trump in virtually every instance but do better against him than does secretary clinton. >> are you worried that hillary clinton is going to lose to donald trump? >> am i worried? am i worried? what do you think i'm going crazy. why do you think i'm running all over the state of california doing three rallies a day? we're going have a letter going out to super delegates today or tomorrow, as soon as i'm finished with them, making that point. i'm scared to death. >> he's all over the place in california. the latest national nbc wall street journal poll shows sanders up 15 points. >> whoa! >> by comparison -- >> 54 to 39. bernie sanders over donald trump. maybe that's why donald doesn't want to debate bernie.
>> i wonder about that. >> but the nbc news political unit estimates her lead could be larger if sanders were not in it. as much as 8%. that, of course, you wonder if she has to recruit him somehow. and, chris, you say you're exhausted follow thing him around. >> he's killing me! a 74-year-old man and i can't keep up. no, he is -- you know, he feeds off the audience. >> but still. >> no. he keeps adding things. if i see one or two events on his calendar, i'm sending and e-mail saying what is he adding? >> wow. gene robinson, talk about other candidates that have done this. i know barack obama has done it. but beyond that, we don't have a lot of parallels between what is happening with bernie sanders right now, do we? >> well, it is fascinating what happened with bernie sanders. he's definitely started a
movement, and i guess it will cultivate that movement. it could have dramatic and long lasting impact, i think, on the democratic party. and a larger impact on the course of the nation. that said, what he hasn't done is getten enough votes to beat hillary clinton. she's gotten more votes. she's gotten more delegates. she has beat him fair and square. if he takes california she'll still be ahead. she'll probably wrap up, technically, the nomination. >> which underlining my point even in the face of this adversity his crowds grow bigger. the money keeps coming in. he's even more intense. what is the parallel for someone this late in the campaign and this position having all these crowds and all the money pouring in. the guy raised over $180 million by now. >> i can't think of an exact parallel in terms of the movement. you can look back to 2008 and hillary clinton did well in those late primaries. she gave as well as she got.
she gave better than she got, actually. in terms of against barack obama, but he had a lead that could not be surpassed. her lead over bernie sanders is greater than obama's lead was over her in 2008. so, you know, she did really well, i mean, for all the talk about how sort of kind of plodding and immediate of courser -- mediocre she is runni running for president. she does pretty well. she's done really well. >> the new reports that question the fitness of the trump campaign for the coming general election an associate press report says, quote, donald trump trails hillary clinton by months even years when it comes to digital campaigning. >> is that bad? does he have time to catch up? >> for instance, the clinton campaign brought on data analysts from obama's 2012 re-election and has been prepping for months.
while the trump campaign will have access to the rnc's data, it is also seen the exit of rick wily who promised a state-of-the-art campaign. earlier this month, trump said it's his rallies and personal appeal that will win him the white house, quote, i've always felt it was overrated. obama got the votes more so than his data processing machine. i think the same is true with me. and when it comes to staff size and, here is what trump campaign manager said. >> you have the mind set of hillary clinton where you have to have hundreds -- she's got 800 people on staff. we've got 70 people on staff. right. they think that bigger is better. we're very efficient. and what we've seen is success time and time again with a smaller and more efficient team. that's the way we would run the government. >> respectfully, it sounds less like a presidential campaign and more like "game of thrones." >> there is media hype. i can tell you this that paul and i have a fantastic
relationship. we work together very closely every day. we're making decisions together every day for not just his campaign but for the future of what we want to establish here. and it's very important to know, very important to know there is no sunlight between paul and i. every decision is made together. we talk 10, 12, 15 times a day. >> you talk about lean and mean, willie. it was corey and hope and a couple other people that won the republican nomination along with donald trump. that was it. you get to a general election and it's a massive undertaking. and that data collection that he's sort of smearing about that wins general elections. >> this is another example, i think, where the strategy from the primary is not transferable to a general election, which goes to a lot of fundraising the way they conducted themselves. he can fundraise his own campaign throughout most of the
primary. so they obviously -- this has been out there. they're light years behind the clinton campaign. hillary clinton has a fundraising network that goes back literally a generation. so this is one other area where he's going to be a little bit handicapped against hill. >> i think more than a little. the criticism of hillary clinton she's running a conventional campaign in an unconventional year. talk to anybody who worked on the obama campaign. talked to the people who raised almost $200 million online for bernie sanders. they will tell you the value of technical and what it's done. >> chris jansing and eugene robinson. thank you. the greatest that never was. bernie sanders and donald trump won't debate after all. why? i think they should! and now the democrat is the one coining nicknames. >> so i say to him, mr. macho, i am open to a debate any time, any place. >> and i say to donald trump,
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don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. election season. finally saw contested convention only in orlando. the libertarian party nominated former new mexico governor gary johnson and former massachusetts governor as the presidential ticket. johnson won on the second ball lot of convention after falling
a few shorts on the first. it took two ballots to win the vice presidential spot. the libertarian party selects each position separately. johnson's next task, securing a spot on the general election debate stage. something no third party candidate has done in nearly a quarter of a century. to do so, he will have to climb to 15% in the national polls, which the cut offset by the presidential debate commission. recent polling placed johnson around 10%. the party is likely to be the only third party option on the ballot in all 50 states this fall. however, the ticket believes they can appeal to both bernie sanders base as well as disaffected republicans. >> we seem to have some appeal to the millennial's, right now bernie sanders' base. i would think a bunch of republicans might view our brand of republicanism as palatable. the point is, we don't agree with other pet-- party. we don't agree with the
conservative elements of the republican party platform and don't agree with the spending priorities spend, spending with spend of the democratic party. that's the combination that highlights a lot of people in this party. >> the guy that is -- >> yeah. please tell me it wasn't him. >> yeah. >> we're not exactly sure. >> what? >> no. >> no, please. >> he was not nominated. >> he would be the highlight of any convention. >> no. he doesn't need to strip. >> okay. msnbc correspondent -- >> actually, no. [ talking over each other ] >> lawrence o'donnell. just for the libertarian ticket is going to be tonight at 10:00 p.m. >> oh, no. really? that's kind of cool. >> by the way -- >> i'm going to watch. >> thank you for starting here on "morning joe." >> i like to begin. your bucket list.
you can check off "morning joe." summer of '16. we've been talking a lot about bernie, hillary, and are quite smitten the crowds and money that bernie has following him. it's a crazy movement as far as crazy popular. almost unprecedented movement. >> you've been asking -- because i've been watching the show. >> right. >> before this minute. >> thank you. >> the best i can do and it's pretty close, actually, 1968 mccarthy was a movement. it was a peace movement. he was a one-issue candidate, pretty much end the war in vietnam. he did something that no one dreamed was possible, which was challenging incumbent president lyndon johnson. if you go back to the beginning of the formation of the democratic field, nobody thought it was possible to challenge hillary clinton. she was functionally incumbent
president. we see polls all the time and some are big leads and some are prohibitive. hillarys looked prohibitive. mccarthy went in and softened him to the point. >> and then the super delegates, by the way, gave it to hubert humphrey who never entered a primary. that's how he became the nominee and effect they were all super delegates. >> maybe a combination of two '68 races. maybe mccarthy meets bobby kennedy. bobby had the remarkable crowd. especially in california >>well, the peace cause got splintered won by kennedy entered the race. you have mccarthy and kennedy and kennedy gets assassinated. '68 was a crazy here. martin luther king also assassinated. >> right. >> four days after, i think, lbj got out of the race.
>> how does it end? >> oh, no. >> this seat, this seat is where i learned to stop predicting in this presidential cycle. there is video of me sitting in this seat saying when donald trump hit 12% in the polls saying to you, you don't think he's going to get any higher. i believe that's a direct quote. >> right. at least you admit it. >> and i think, like, a month later i did another prediction about, you know, trump collapsing on my show and then i just stopped. so how does it end? who is the next -- >> we'll let -- let's put trump to the side. if bernie sanders, if she gets the delegates she needs at the end of next tuesday night, he said he's going to the convention. he'll try to sway super delegates. they should consider the idea of last week. he brought all the things up. what does he want from her before he says, okay, the nomination is yours if he says that eventually.
>> i don't think there's anything much you can really give him. the truth of it is -- all the talk about what you get in platforms and stuff is not that important. you know, he -- i think he's waiting to see she gets it. he's watching the polls and everybody in washington wants to dismiss. the poll s bernie beats trump b a way out the margin of error. every clinton supporter says but those polls don't matter. and then they tell you every other poll you take matters. but those polls don't matter. the ones that show, you know, bernie beating him. and him and hillary in a tie. this is what super delegates are for. they're too save the party at the last minute from a possible mistake. meaning at something like -- >> look at that 54 to 39%. if you're a super delegate and in states like this it's probably smarter move taking the
person that wins by 15 points instead of 2. >> be the thing about super delegates we know they are absolutely strict adherence to conventional wisdom. the conventional wisdom is number's hasn't been hit hard the way hillary has been hit hard. >> that's a great mount. >> and the other thing about super delegates -- [ talking over each other ] ? >> she has an oxygen mask on. you can talk now. >> she was sleeping. >> were you asleep? >> me? >> i was not sleeping. i apologize. >> no, kasie hunt, hillary clinton we're showing the massive crowds. hillary clinton today fundraising in new york and new jersey. >> she is fundraising she is heading back to california early. which tells you, you know, i was out there last week with a swing with her and, you know, having covered her and bernie the difference between the events is night and day. i was honestly reminded a little
bit of what it was like to campaign with mitt romney in a general election at some of these hillary clinton events. same size and same peach over and over again. same elected officials. as opposed to the bernie rallies where you have boundless enthusiasm. i think they clearly understand that her not doing well in california while at the end of the day the math is going to be on their side. it's a risk they don't want to have to take. and the other thing i'll say what you were talking about with democrats of the past, the other thing about these super delegates they are democrats. right. bernie sanders has been a democrat for, you know, five minutes compared to the clintons. there's a lot of loyalty built up there. so i don't know it's necessarily just the safe conventional choice. hillary clinton worked hard and for many years to get to this point and to have those officials on her side. >> cas kasie hunt you have the covered the stop trump campaign
and -- you are experts on the ill-fated movement. what and where is the overlap between the sanders movement and the trump movement and is it exaggerated or does it exist? >> i think that there is some overlap but it comes from trump supporters for the most part. from people who are activated and in this process because they're excited about donald trump, who, you know, weren't active necessarily before. bernie sanders supporters, and i think if you talk to clinton officials, they'll, you know, they've taken a dive deep into this data to try to figure this out fop try to find out what is exactly that overlap. how many points is she currently losing because bernie is in the race, et. cetera. they believe that almost all of those bernie voters that aren't with her now are going to come home to hillary clinton at the end of the day. and my experience, at bernie sanders rallies reflects that. it's hard to go to a bernie rally and find somebody who says i'm totally going to vote for
donald trump if it end up being hillary clinton versus donald trump. you get people who say i'm not voting at all. not much the other way around. you can't find bernie sanders supporters at trump events. >> if you look around the paper today. clinton's slogan hard to pin down. a lot of talk the new york times had a piece she's trying to find her footing and it's not going well. she can't find a slogan. she can't find a message. is this hand wringing in a democratic primary or a problem that can stick with her? >> in the general it's probably not very important. it's easy to be the anti-donald trump. he's going to hand her something every day she can be against. it's the price of being around presidential politics for decades. you end up collecting a whole
positi positions. and those things over time become complex and hard to describe. and so it's very difficult to reduce a campaign like hers to a bumper sticker. >> you know willie, the favorite part of my day when lawrence comes on is asking him what is going to -- you know, they start -- you can hear when i'm picking up pens. they know he's going to do a deep dive on everything. the guy has it planned out. >> he has a binder here. >> >> he has a binder. >> no! >> i have the libertarian ticket. i have the whole ticket. i have both of them. >> this is the first you've known! >> and together the first time in television history. >> are they going to get above 5%. >> they're at 10 now. gary johnson was at 10. >> who does he take from? >> equally from both. he just took ten and the other
two stayed the tie. >> what are you studying, lawrence? >> homework stuff. i'm here early. >> it's not for this show. homework would not be appropriate for this show. >> oh! >> fighting word. >> let me say we're tired up here. >> inspector general -- [ talking over each other ] >> all right, kasie hunt. thank you so much. we'll see you tomorrow. get some sleep. >> thank you. coming up next -- lawrence, thank you so much. coming up next on "morning joe." >> in many cases illegal immigrants are taking much care -- really, much better care by this country taken better care of than our veterans. that's not going to happen. okay. >> donald trump talking to vets. he thought it was going to be like mlk's -- >> just stop. >> he said he was mad it wasn't. >> he said the other 600,000 were being kept out. >> this is a man that gets huge
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the department of veteran's affairs has faced plenty of criticism lately. now there are concerns that the integral watchdog responsible for keeping the agency in check is also failing the vets. according to usa "today" a senate investigation found systemic failures in the inspector skrrn's review of the veteran's affairs medical center in wisconsin. the watchdog is accused of discounting key evidence and witness testimony. the paper said the investigation also claim that's va inspector general has no standard for determining wrong doing. this comes as the nation honored american service-members who have lost their lives protecting their country, and as president obama spoke of the obligation that americans have to care for its veterans. meanwhile donald trump this morning expected to give more details on how he plans to doll out millions raised for veterans
at that january fund-raiser in iowa. the news comes after the trump campaign besiejed by reporter request that the evidence that the fund-raiser did in fact raise $6 million. why did it take trump four months to distribute the money raised. joining us now the reporter who broke the story wide open, the washington post david. >> i don't understand. he said he raised the $6 million. why is he taking so long to get the money out. >> did he raise $6 million? >> no. since then they said it's $4.5. maybe $5.5. it seems not to be $6 million. >> have they given any money out? >> yes. they have given away $4.1 million. money came from trump a few days ago. >> what was the delay in getting the money out? >> was there a delay. >> trump told you had had given the money old? >> trumps spoke person said he
had given the money out. then he said he hasn't. then trump called back and said i gave it out today. i say why did it take so long? they were vetting to. the group gave him an award. he met them before. >> why the delay? >> well, i think -- what was the excuse? why the lack of transparency? >> trump raised a lot of money for the veterans. it's life changing. it made a huge difference in their organizations. they have stone walled. they haven't given an excuse own other than vetting. we'll see today. >> so was there a delay? i mean, is this normal? are we asking the right questions? like when someone else or some ore organization raises money for vets and then gives it to
veterans groups. what is the process? how long does it take? >> there's never been anything like this. where trump took the money and said to people when they gave money, you know, all your money goes directly to veterans. so the four month delay i wouldn't say that's unusual. the question is he gave a lot away when he groups picked out the beginning and gave them some of the money and they've been saying we're finding new groups to give to. the question will be were they finding new groups or they keeping the money and giving it to people they know. >> based on your reporting, do you suspect donald trump would have given the $1 million had you not been pestering? >> not at least when he gave it up. they told us they had given out the money when they hadn't. and it was only trump himself and the pressure we put on him that caused him to admit he hasn't given it. he gave it one fell swoop in the middle of the night. >> are you saying -- i mean. >> it's just reporting. >> i can't tell you he wouldn't
have given the money away. but the campaign had put out the story they had given it when they hadn't. >> at the end of the day, here the numbers say he may hit the $6 million. if he's given $4.1 million. he may get to six. trump has been saying it's about $5.5. we could find out today. >> i want to push you on this. i agree with you, but what -- if you chased the story -- he did the event when he skipped the megyn kelly debate. so everything has come full circle. do you think the money would have gone to veterans if -- >> who knows. you probably read the story. did you only give the money now because i was asking questions he called me a nasty guy. but it's hard to know. you remember the night in iowa he said -- he gave the gift in the past tense. donald trump gave a million dollars to veterans. that wasn't true until a few
days ago when we were pushing him. >> thank you very much. we've been following your reporting on this story in the washington post. >> look forward to the tweet. dave. dummy. >> sad. loser. the the most powerful man in the senate. majority leader mitch mcconnell joining us live. wahhhh... right. in. your. stomach! watch this!... >>yikes, that ice cream was messing with you, wasn't it? try lactaid, it's real ice cream, without that annoying lactose. lactaid. it's the milk that doesn't mess with you. first - they limit where you earn bonus cash back.es at you? then - those places change every few months? i think i'll pass... quicksilver from capital one puts nothing in your way.
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>> but you'll die. >> nothing can stop that now. just for once, let me look on you with my own eyes. >> stop. you can't look at it if your going to mock one of the most moving scenes, like, since revelation. a scene from "return of the jedi." >> joining us now harvard professor and former white house official cass sunstein. the author of a book -- >> we made a deal. i won't make fun of elizabeth warren and she won't make fun of
stars. >> you asked me to keep my mouth shut. for once, i will try. >> do not mock it. >> do you hate "star wars"? >> we're wasting time. >> oh, my god, i love "star wars." >> this is what i wonder, because willie and his kids, my kids, my three boys have all had the same experience. it is an unbelievably moving experience. chapter 10, why "star wars" gets to us. what is it about this and when you hear ♪ like chills go up-and-down >>well, it's partly memory you may associate this with your parents, with your siblings, of course, with your kid. it also connects, i think, the music with the theme of the movie which with the theme which is freedom. the movies are an all-american kind of package which is at the individual level you always have
freedom of choice and at the political level, republics are better than empires. >> i didn't realize now in hindsight it's so obvious. there's a less none that, too. >> completely. the actors thought it was ridiculous. the idea of this huge guy -- >> they agreed with this one. they were capable of learn iing. and george lucas went away to hawaii when the movie came out thinking he didn't want to be on the mainland for what looked like a catastrophe. it was not expected to be a hit. the studio had no faith in it. steven spielberg was one of the few who thought it was good and would do very well. what happened, both caught a wave in the sense there was a little "star wars" echo chamber from the first few weeks. some political candidates that people get a group of people who are tightly knit who love them
and that got louder and louder. and also that first scene where you see the ship and it goes on and on, it's like a big joke. 4-year-olds get it. 40-year-olds get it and 80-year-olds get it. >> so what's the message? what's the serious message from it? >> the most serious message is that wherever you are, whether you are republican or a democrat, whether you are american or russian, whether you are from taiwan or denmark, and i visited those countries to talk about "star wars," you always have it in your individual life freedom. things may be pretty terrible, but you have a choice. you can accompany an older person and maybe save an individual or a galaxy. you can go back and save a buddy who is vulnerable. you can, if you have a little blood on your helmet you can decide i'm not going to be in the first order anymore. and that manages to connect some old myths that christianity is a religion, not a myth. it connects some old -- >> there is so much from
christianity and other faiths that's embedded in this. it's just so, you know, that if you want to be more powerful, give. talking about resisting the dark side. it can be straight out of the sermon on the mount. as far as the values that the masters, the jedi masters always try to teach. >> no question. and georgelucas, the kind of master of "star wars" described joseph campbell who said something very much like what you said describing myths and religions, having the same hero's journey. that was his yoda, joseph campbell. what "star wars" does it takes all of them and distills them in a way that's kind of genius but then gives them a twist that's really all-american about liberty, self-government. both at the individual level. we are governing ourselves and at the societal level that anyone who looks like an emperor, they kind of have to be defeated. >> i just watched this with my
4-year-old. i want to ask about the timelessness of the actual movie making. he's used to all the modern stuff. his observation is why are the robots so stiff? talk about the timeless -- >> i hope you explained. it was a long time ago. >> old people get stiff. >> i think the reason it's timeless is even if some of the special effects have been bypassed, the tale, which is that there's a hero, a young person, and i think i have a little boy. i think he got this, too. your young person, you're with your family. some time you're going to leave n then you're going to meet them who are going to help you or maybe endanger you. that's a story that resonates deep within the human psyche. it's your boy's story, my boy's story. every boy and girl's story. and that's why it has enduring appeal. >> i have two boys in their 20s getting married this week. also an 8-year-old boy. we sit down and i know they're all coming up. we're all going to sit down and
i'll watch the force awakens. everybody has seen it like three times already and compare notes. it's just something that -- >> timeless. >> did you call one of them luke? >> i did not call -- >> when you are feeling particularly loving, do you say luke? >> no, like i told you before, any time joey or any of them would ever talk back to me and say they'll do what they're going to do, i'll just stare back at them and say so be it, jedi. >> gotten completely in our culture. >> when i was a teenager, there are other things i saw, talking about yoda, this wisdom, that i saw in the movie and i was like, ugh, and i remembered it through the years. there's a moment he's poking luke with a stick saying this one always sinking where he's going to be, never where he is. so something along those lines like live now. stop your dreaming. become a better person right now. >> right. that's the buddhist element with the all-american twist of your
freedom of choice in this moment. >> we're going to deprive mika of her moment of choice and make her watch all of them. >> the book is "the world according to star wars." >> do you have a personal favorite? >> "the empire strikes back." this is one point i disagree on president obama. he chooses" a new hope." "the empire strikes back." >> "a new hope" is second best. >> let me correct you there. "empire" is the best but "the force awakens" is pretty extraordinary. it really is. >> up next -- thank you very much. >> thank you. >> up next -- >> you were very good. very well behaved. >> oh, thank you. >> we're going to get you to watch "godfather" next. >> you haven't seen "godfather"? >> bill kristol's mystery third party candidate. does he or she really exist. what would it take to keep hillary clinton and donald trump from getting it. plus senator mitch mcconnell.
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whoa. beau is feeling a little self-conscious right now, those of you who know him. as i was leaving the house, he said, dad, this memorial day, a day to honor those who have given their last measure for their families, a day, dad, you and i should be at the bridge and grabbing all the gold star mothers and telling them how much we appreciate all they've done. hey, tommy. i didn't see you sitting there. i apologize. he was also a friend of beau's. and he said, dad, not me.
not me today. maybe another day. not today. and i whispered back in his ear today as i was leaving that he's right. it's memorial day. but everything -- everything here that everyone knows about beau was he devoted his whole life to his family and to other people. >> vice president biden remembering his son, the late beau biden. biden marked memorial day in new castle, delaware, the national guard headquarters there were named in honor of his son beau who died of brain cancer one year to the date of yesterday's ceremony. beau biden enlisted in the national guard in 2003 and deployed to iraq five years later. he earned the legion of merit and bronze star and later served two terms as delaware's attorney general. welcome back to "morning joe." it is tuesday, may 31st.
with us on set, former communications director for president george w. bush, nicolle wallace and msnbc political analyst and professor of the university of michigan school of public policy, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. let's get right to the new nbc news survey monkey online poll that shows donald trump gaining ground on hillary clinton. up two points from last week and now trailing her, 47 to 45. when it comes to who voters think who will win in november, clint clinton's lead over trump has been whittled down to one point. trump up four, clinton down four. trump and sanders remaining close. now trump says he won't debate him. >> donald trump? >> doesn't take a challenge. >> he did not say that because i haven't been watching the news this weekend. you know, my job, i don't have
to. donald trump is afraid to debate bernie sanders? >> yeah. >> no, i don't know about afraid. just made that up. >> he said he would and then he said he was joking. he said it in jest. he'd welcome it. use it to raise money for charity. he looked serious. >> he said he won't debate a second place guy. he believes the system is rigged that hillary is in there for the wrong reasons but she is the winner. >> the democratic nominating process is totally rigged and crooked hillary clinton and deborah wasserman schultz will not allow bernie sanders to win and now that i'm the presumptive republican nominee, it seems inappropriate that i would debate the second plaus finisher. the networks want to make a killing on these events and are not proving to be too generous to charitable causes, in this case, women's health issues. therefore, as much as i want to debate bernie sanders, and it
would be an easy payday, i'll wait to debate the first place finisher in the democratic party, probably crooked hillary clinton or whoever it may be. bernie sanders didn't take the news well. >> what? >> i would have loved -- >> oh, i know. >> first he said he would do. then he said he wouldn't. then he said he would. then he said he wouldn't. so i would hope if he changed his mind four times in two days, change it a fifth time. trump claims to be a real tough guy. pushes people around. hey, donald, come on up. let's have a debate about the future of america. and i say to donald trump, you're a big macho guy. if you have any guts, come on down, and let's debate the issues. >> so didn't -- >> in north dakota when he clinched the nomination he stood before the group and said i'd
debate bernie sanders. the system is rigged against him. we'll raise money for charity and i hope he accepts it. senator sanders accepted it. >> now he says he won't. >> if he did, he'd elevate bernie sanders. that's what he's trying to do. keep bernie around. keep him at the center of the conversation for a few days. >> it's the art of the deal and he wants the networks to give up their proceeds for the night to charity. >> he likes having hillary clinton get crushed from both sides. >> that's what i mean. >> okay. >> keep him around. >> so he doesn't want to right now. it is funny he says after all he's done, he uses the word inappropriate in a sentence? it would be inappropriate. >> it would be abnormal. >> on sunday, weekly standard editor billy kristol teased there would be a third party candidate. just a heads-up over the holiday weekend, there will be an independent candidate, an
impressive one, with a strong team and a real chance. why would he tweet that if it's not true. is it true? >> well -- >> some things are true for a minute and then -- >> donald trump wasted little time firing back an hour later this preemptive strike. the republican party has to be smart and strong if it wants to win in november. can't allow lightweights to set up a spoiler indie candidate. trump went after kristol calling him a dummy and warning if he managed to get an independent candidate to run, republicans could say good-bye to the supreme court. trump continued to insult kristol while also calling on republicans to unify. kristol responded to trump's outburst yesterday tweeting, now who seriously has a bigger ego, trump or kristol? i'm traveling so i hadn't realized i had so upset donald trump. i'm sorry the mention of an independent candidate has so unnerved him.
>> is bill kristol serious? >> corey lewandowski weighed in on the possibility of a third party candidate. >> a third party run by any candidate is handing over the white house to the democrats which means four or five potential u.s. supreme court justices that hillary clinton would have a chance to appoint. you can say good-bye to the second amendment and other things. say good-bye to your rights. if mitt romney decides he wants to get into this raice, he's a failed candidate. what he will do to the detriment of our country is allow a democrat to opoint four or five stream court justices that will be devastating long-term to our country. if mitt wants to do that, it's a failure. >> you know, first of all, do we think bill kristol is going to do this? >> i don't think we know. i think the notion that it would be a spoiler is not the case. we don't know what would happen. >> that's not the case. >> we have to explain. i've had this conversation.
you have to explain that it's not now about a third party candidate that gets on 50 ballots. it's now about something that takes this to the house of representatives. this is the bridge that everyone that isn't following this minute by empminute doesn't understand. you don't need to be on 50 ballots. all the conversation has been about deadlines for ballot access. this is about a different conversation. and it is is not too late. and it's not -- >> you just have to stop the other ones to get 270. >> get enough electoral votes. >> if you don't get them to 270 and you get an electoral. if you are voting, you'll have a lot of people in your party, certainly a lot of your donors pressure you, if it's mitt romney, to vote for mitt romney. look at what's happened over the past two, three weeks. hillary has had a terrible, terrible time with all the new
fbi information coming out, the new e-mail information coming out. donald trump has had some of his roughest two or three weeks. their approval ratings keep going down. that poll last weekend had mitt at 20%? and mitt got a lot of his votes from hillary supporters. there are a lot of democrats that don't want to vote for hillary. there are a lot of republicans that don't want to vote for trump. this might be time that a guy that's not all excitement -- we've seen what excitement's gotten us, some people might say. let's go with like a steady guy that knows how to run things. romney started at 20%. he can do something here if he decided to jump in. >> that's the model that mike murphy and some others have been talking about. go steal a couple of states. you don't have to get on the ballot all over the country and try to win outright. if you win ohio or a handful and
focus all your time, resources and energy. pull those out enough that nobody gets to 270 and it goes to the house of representatives. you need that person. everyone is talking about we can pull this off. who is that person that can go in and win states that are tough to win. >> traditional reagan principles and someone competent and steady. >> i differ. they have to find a person. maybe combine five or six people n get that person. what states do you win with a romney? perot did well in '92. he didn't win an electoral vote because he didn't win a stat. once sanders gets out, you consolidate the democratic party. i think hillary clinton gets stronger. pick romney -- say it's romney and say it's trump, do we honestly believe that romney takes enough -- do you believe he takes enough democratic votes in five, six, two, three, even just one state or two states? i don't think so. i think a romney helps mrs. clinton. >> i don't know how low hillary
clinton's approval ratings go. whether it's romney or somebody else. >> i didn't mean to nail you down. you just mentioned a name. >> the states you'll look at, utah actually is at the top of the list. >> trump's weakest. >> for an independent state. >> a state republicans should win. >> should win. >> states where they shouldn't win or haven't won but could win. you look at states where republican governors win in democratic states. and you look at wisconsin. you look at -- you'd look at possibly michigan. you certainly would look at the upper midwest. minnesota. you look at states like iowa. you look at states like oregon that have like sort of tough independent streaks. that's good places to start. and i would suggest, too, a guy like mitt romney would look south. utah, trump doesn't have support in utah because of the values
voters. i'm sorry, i'm from the deep south. ted cruz, that's a guy that ain't ever going to play statewide in the deep south. mitt romney, if mitt romney had a vice president and they knew how to hammer him in georgia, mississippi, louisiana, arkansas, tennessee, where they are real value voters, that's a place where hammering the right way, your support bleeds -- trump bleeds into the low teens. you just could. it just depends on who that candidate is. still ahead -- senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. or as president reagan once introduced him, mitch o'donnell. no, he didn't do that. >> it happened. we'll talk about his new memoir. >> i like that. first, bernie sanders needs a big win out west, mika. >> yes, but by the time the polls close in california, will hillary clinton have already clinched the nomination? soon.
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but if your question is do i think that secretary clinton is significantly better candidate for america than is donald trump, that is not a debate. of course, that is true. >> would you take the call if hillary clinton asked you to be her running mate? >> well, right now, again, what i am -- here we are in california. i'm wracking my brains out to win the democratic nomination. that's where i am right now. what happens afterwards, we will, you know, we'll see. but right now my focus is on winning the nomination. >> that's an opening. >> what do you think? >> i've never heard more of an opening than that. >> you think he wants to be vp? >> that would pretty much close it all up? >> are the warriors going to the championship? >> yes, they are. >> joining us from washington,
columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. >> were you in washington yesterday? >> excuse me? was i in washington? yes. >> it had to be hard getting around with 600,000 people on the mall for donald trump's motorcycle rally. >> oh, it was just such a mad crush down there. it was terrible. >> was the metro shut down? >> metro was shut down. helicopters overhead. it was just -- what a scene. what a scene. >> we'll have more on that later. >> we're all commenting on what was the quote that -- >> i thought i read something in the paper he was distraught that it wasn't as big as -- >> here's the quote. i thought this would be like dr. martin luther king where people were lined up from here until the washington monument. there were about 5,000 people inside. he claimed there were 600,000 waiting to get in through security. >> nobody else saw those 600,000
people, but, hey, you know -- >> he wrote about this. trump's tragic rolling bluster. then we'll get to california, which is what i was going to cover this block. even the most ardent trumpistas would have to admit that trump's appearance at the annual rolling thunder motorcycle rally was, as spectacles go, pretty pa theuc. it was supposed to be a vast multitudeinous gathering on the plaza in front of the lincoln memorial. instead trump drew a paltry crowd estimated at perhaps 5,000. well, okay. as trump might say, in a late night tweet, sad. he claimed that the anticipated throng was out there but unfortunately they didn't allow them to come in. that was a lie. there were no hordes outside the security perimeter pleading for admittance since everyone could easily discern the truth, trump must have been lying to himself,
perhaps to ease the sting of what can only be seen as an awful week for his campaign. he had 5,000 people there? >> and really important people. >> name a candidate who can do that besides bernie sanders? certainly not his number one opponent. could not get 5,000 people. >> yeah, but -- >> rolling thunder. hundreds of thousands of people in town for this. n this was billed as -- look. he can get 5,000 people handing out free ice cream or something like that on rolling thunder weekend you get 5,000 people. >> gene, this is a guy who does rallies across the country that gets thousands of people. so for us -- i just think -- >> trump expressed disappointment. >> i get it. >> they were all in town anyway. >> he's used to -- >> they're here. it's not like he had to -- it's not like he had to draw them to town. literally, the place is full of harley-davidsons. you can't go anywhere because of the convoys of motorcycles going
up and down the avenues. it's just a huge annual event. come here for rolling thunder some year. >> that looks like a pretty good crowd. >> are you saying not as many people came because of donald trump? i don't get it. >> they didn't bother. they're inwandering up n down te mall. a lot of them are right across the way at the vietnam veterans memorial and other places around that stretch of the mall. they just didn't bother to drop by. >> it's a small crowd only by donald trump standards. compare it to his usual crowd. what we're talking about is he looked out and looked disappointed. >> we're reacting to him. >> he said he expected mlk size crowds because -- that's not even about us. he said -- >> you're making fun of the analogy. >> his analogy. >> which is so wrong on so many levels. >> so wrong on so many levels. come on. come on. >> and when eugene and joe say
the same thing in unison on tv, maybe we have a point. >> okay. >> in other news, the battle for california is intensifying. >> hillary clinton spent monday in chappaqua marching in a memorial day parade. but she is canceling events in the northeast to return to california early for five straight days of campaigning. a sign of the rising stakes out west. she does not want to lose california. and while it's possible that she could secure enough delegates to shut the book on the nomination before polls even close there, bernie sanders is looking for a comeback. over the weekend, he spoke at event after event with thousands of people. here he is in oakland in front of what police say was 11,000 people. but the biggest crowd wasn't his. sanders show up at halftime as the golden state warriors saute game seven come-from-behind victory against the thupder. he watched with danny glover,
though sanders did not wear the free yellow t-shirts, thousands of others did. when the warriors won with confetti fluttering in the air, he took it as a metaphor for his own campaign. >> down three games to one. they turned it around. i think that is what our campaign is going to do as well. very good omen for our campaign. >> wow. >> so california, nicolle, you are from california. talk about how important this is for bernie. even if he can't win, i think the clinton camp with as many losses as they've wracked up over the last month or two. they'd find a california loss devastating. >> totally devastating. i can't think of what the republican analogy would have been. i guess it would have been our guy staying in until the convention even if trump had it locked up. they'd be getting slaughtered by the media. if you say anything bad about
bernie attacking hillary and how he's doing real damage, which is evidence in the poll, not a personal opinion, they go berserk. when you are leading a movement, when your suspecters are that passionate and when you have a chance of winning the biggest prize left on the calendar, california, how do you go away and fade into the night? and hillary endorsed obama four days after the primary. i don't see sanders -- >> he already said he's not going to. >> bernie sanders is not running a political campaign. >> he's leading a movement. >> he's leading a movement not only to change the democratic party but to change america. and if you win in california, very diverse state, he doesn't do especially well in diverse states, but if he wins the big prize, if he wins in california, mika, that movement continues to take off. and then you -- >> a movement. >> -- you have to consider bernie sanders as -- >> a movement that's based on a message which many argue hillary clinton has had a hard time.
for two years we've been asking what is her message. here over the weekend, bernie sanders -- >> hold on, mika. if you are driving in your car. more tell us they're listening. mika is holding a boston globe. hillary clinton's slogan is hard to pin down. she changes them all the time. fighting for us. she doesn't know what her message is. willie geist, not a problem for bernie sanders. >> no. look, she still has 3 million-plus more votes. won more states. she's ahead, fair and square. but if she loses california, that suddenly becomes a problem. he said he's going to the convention. whatever happens in california, he's going to the convention. if she's locked up the nomination, he continues in this fight, what does he want at that convention to do what hillary clinton supporters will hope he will do which is to just go away. he's a pest to them right now. what does he want from her to walk away? >> well, perhaps he can control the platform rules.
who cares about that. you have millions of people following you. you have tens of thousands of people coming out. you have raised $180 million at like $27 a pop. you want something more than rules. >> you have all that. >> you want to be vice president, and you want to have a stake in the game, and you want to have power over policy. >> you have all that, and you have a message. here he is hammering it home again. take a look. >> what the establishment always does, they do it today, and they did it 100 years ago is to tell people that real fundamental change isn't possible. what they tell you to do is to think small, not big. well, like one of my opponents, yes, that's true. no, i don't want to mention her name, but that's true. >> senator sanders has the right
to run, no question. he ought to be able to read the sign posts as well as anybody else. and if he did that, he would know that it's all but over. i know the passion of a campaign. i know when you're in it, and you just keep go, go, go until the last hours there. well, the last hour is close by. >> what do you think? >> if he loses california, i disagree. i think the call for him to get out of the race will grow. will be unanimity. you had every right to run. gave it all you had. the scoreboard says one thing and you have to move on as much as you've raised these important issues. two, one could argue she's been weakened by him continuing to stay in the race because he continues to raise these issues. a corollary could be that he keeps democrats excited. i don't see those independents who are supporting him saying i'm going to support mitt romney
or i'm going to support donald trump. i think at the end of the day they'll come around to her because they understand issues he cares most deeply about, she has the greatest opportunity -- >> you are just dreaming. >> i think -- i differ with you. >> i have seen conservatives when bob dole won. i've seen conservatives when john mccain won. conservatives when it was mitt romney saying, there's no way in hell -- tell me this november i'm going to vote for him. >> but donald trump is the nominee. if you take bernie sanders at his word, he's made clear he does not want tosy a billionaire ele elected. i happen to believe he will work on behalf of the democratic ticket. will they hug and kiss and have the kind of reunion many want? maybe not. the warriors were favored to win this series. the warriors in many ways are like hillary clinton. they came back and won the
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i have 73 people on my staff, and i won. long ahead of schedule. you know how we're supposed to be going to cleveland and july and it was going to be a big fight, and they didn't know if i could win then. they even talked about having a second convention in august. stuff that nobody even ever heard about. and look what happened. we won, and hillary can't even beat bernie. she can't beat him. and beating bernie would not be tough. >> the country's largest business lobby is expected to launch a campaign today to help republicans hold on to the senate. according to "the wall street journal," the u.s. chamber of commerce will send out influential republicans like senator lindsey graham, mitt romney and jeb bush to raise money in battleground states. the effort is being led by those who back
donald trump as the nominee and by those who do not. joining us now is the senator from kentucky, majority leader mitch mcconnell. he's out with a new memoir "the
long game" and joins us live on set. >> i want to ask you about donald trump. but first the title of the book "the long game." it's very funny. when i had talked to donald during the republican primary, i said, donald, you have the short game and the long game. you're acting like a day trader every day. play the long game. it's interesting. the title of your book. talk about it. >> the short game has never worked for me. i don't think it works for most people. the long game means you dig in. you suffer the inevitable setbacks. you don't give up and you keep pursuing the things you think are important. and that's been the story of my career. this is a book about my life and how it worked for me. instant gratification, typically in my judgment. >> but it's done all right, though, for the republican primary winner in 2016, though.
>> the voters this year were looking for something very different, right of center voters and left of center voters are also expressing themselves in a similar way. so -- but regardless of who we end up with in the white house, you were constrained by the constitution, by the system. >> can i just say, and i want to talk more about your book. but when i read people saying that we're going to turn into this fascist country and donald trump, if he wins is going to do this, that's and the other. i wonder if anybody has any sense of history at all. our system. barack obama thought he was going to do so many things. george w. bush. every president walks into office with this arrogance thinking i'm the smartest guy that's ever been here and the system always grinds him down. can you explain how james madison and hamilton were pretty smart guys and nobody is going to walk into washington, d.c., and take over. >> yeah, look.
you're absolutely right, joe. madison divided the power and nobody can do everything they want to. and every president is sobered by the reality. all kinds of impediments. in today's politics when people are legitimately unhappy,
the average person is about $3,000 or $4,000 a year worse off today than when president obama came to office, you can understand the anxiety and the desire for a kind of quick turn around. what i think and the reason i don't have any trouble supporting donald trump is i don't want four more years justice like the last eight. n i don't want hillary clinton -- >> but isn't hillary clinton somebody who has played the long game? isn't she should be that like trent would come up and say hillary clinton is a joy to work for because she keeps her head down. she -- this is when she became a senator. and she is very respectful of
the institution and very respectful of those who were members of the institution. >> her philosophy was never centrist. >> right. and given where the dynamism is in the democratic party, there's no chance hillary clinton is going to be any different than barack obama. >> speaking of the long game, you had quite a long game reading this i learned for the first time that as a child you had polio and from there you went to be in a pretty darn good baseball player. talk about that and talk about your mother specifically fighting to make sure that you could walk and live the life of normal kid. >> it was a polio epidemic in 1944 all over the country. and it hit me. we lived in alabama. and it hit me at age 2 in the summer of '44. it's like a flu-like session you have. n when the flu goes away, you
are either recovered, dead or somewhere in between. it affected my left quadricep, the muscle between the knee and the thigh. we were 60 miles from warm springs, georgia. and my mother took me over to warm springs, and roosevelt had set up a polio treatment center there. they taught her how to do the physical therapy regimen. told her to do it four times a day and to watch me like a hawk and to try to keep me from walking. can you imagine a 2-year-old? so for two years between 2 and 4, she literally never took her eyes off me. i couldn't walk yet. my first memory in life was the last visit to warm springs. i was 4. they told my mother i was going to have a normal childhood. i wouldn't have to wear a brace. wouldn't have a limp.
and it was an early defining moment about digging in, working hard and overcoming adversity. so i ended up having a very normal childhood thanks to her and an early lesson in hard work paying off. >> i want to ask you about the republican party in 2004, which was the last summer where a convention launched a gop candidate to the presidency. we've obviously come up short in '08 and '12. and the party stood for things. you were an incredible partner to my old boss george w. bush. we stood for free trade and forward spread of democracy in the middle east, an economic policy. our nominee now stands strongly against all those things, and that's obviously where the base of our party is. how did we lose touch with the base of our party? >> well, i think donald trump is a phenomenon. >> really? you doin't think our party changed their views? >> i didn't change my views n i
don't think donald trump is going to change the republican party. >> you don't think he has? >> he's appealed to a lot of voters. he's the nominee. i don't have any problem supporting him because he's going to pick the next supreme court justice. i'm confident based on the list he put out this would be someone from my point of view with the right choice for the country. i don't think the republican party is going to change. what he is helping us do is reach out to voters that have not lately voted for republicans, and that could make him for competitive in november. >> what about the supreme court nominee that president obama has put out? >> well, if you look at the history of vacancies created in a presidential year, they don't get filled. >> what about him? >> that's the -- >> is he playing the long game supporting the nominee -- >> the issue is who should make the appointment. we're in the middle of a
presidential election. you'd have to go back 80 years to find the last time a vacancy created in a presidential year was filled. you'd have to go back to grover cleveland in 1888 to find the last time a vacancy created in a presidential year was confirmed by senate of the opposite party. you know that if the shoe were on the other foot, and this was a republican president making a nominee to a democratic senate, they wouldn't be confirmed in the middle of the senate. >> schumer said it, biden said it, reid said it. the point is this is not an issue upon which the senate has to ask permission from the president. we both have constitutional responsibilities. he gets to make a selection, and we get to decide whether to fill it. >> do you really? you have a choice the president has put out there that probably would not be -- appeals to both sides to an extent where you could say let's cut our losses and go with this. or you can wait for donald trump
to put out -- to go with a list that he has given you all. is there anything that he has done in this election so far, anything, that makes you believe he will stick to his word? >> yeah, well, first let me say -- >> what? >> it's not about garland. it's about who ought to make the appointment. second, if you want to talk about garland, barack obama called somebody a moderate doesn't make him a moderate. he or somebody just like him will be nominated if hillary clinton wins. >> if hillary clinton wins, then do republicans rush to try to get him because hillary's selection could be worse? >> i don't think from a conservative point of view, i don't think you could have a worse
nominee than merrick garland. >> there's nothing about him that's moderate. barack obama calling somebody a moderate doesn't make them a moderate. people still call ginsburg and
state by state by state. >> i think we don't know yet. what i know is senate races are big enough to where you can paint your own picture. and all of our candidates are going to be in a good position to run. one of the things that we're working on right now is trying to draft marco into running. >> do you think marco will get back in? >> we hope so. we're doing everything we can to encourage him to run. >> both my parents from kentucky, and i want to leave you with three words. go big blue. you are a big louisville fan. >> yeah. >> my parents grew up -- i grew up around the deep south. >> kentucky has fans all over the world. all right. >> it is "the long game." you can read an excerpt on joe.msnbc.com. senator mitch mcconnell, thank you. >> this looks great. we really appreciate it. >> congratulations on the book. still ahead, we'll go to
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what's in your wallet? 47 past the hour. joining us from outside trump tower in new york, nbc's hallie jackson. trump expected to make an announcement this morning. what do we expect? >> trump is expected to talk about the donations that have been made to veterans charities around the country after that fund-raiser at the end of january. remember when he skipped that republican debate and instead held a rally? he said he raised about $6 million for different veterans groups. up until now, there have been questions about where that money has gone. how much cash was really raised and where that money actually went. trump is promising to provide a full accounting of all of that at a press conference here at trump tower starting in a little bit. and as is the typical here on the streets of new york, you always get folks coming out. a couple of folks blowing some rams horns next to me.
you can probably hear it. we expect to see more protests outside of trump tower. some veterans groups on the democratic side, or at least lean progressive will be here talking about trump's treatment of vets. this press conference begins at 11:00 eastern time. also trump on twitter lashing out at the possibility of maybe an independent challenger. some sort of conservative candidate coming into the race even at this late stage. all of this sparked after bill crystal sent out that tweet promising some sort of independent conservative challenger that's has a strong game, a real chnance, he says. sources indicate a possibility within the week you could see an update on that side. the viability, it's such a long shot. almost more of a moon shot. but trump taking it a little seriously even after flirt with his own independent run after the primaries. >> hallie jackson, we'll be looking forward to your coverage. the stories driving the day on
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but the cold coffee is always a big growth area for these guys. it's interesting. i'd walk into a starbucks and try maybe a nitrogen infused coffee. >> i still -- it's the biggest scam on the face of the earth. >> what's that? >> $5 for a cup of coffee. >> and she drinks it every morning. >> i'd rather have the burger. >> it's just so expensive. >> you do it every morning. go to starbucks every morning. >> i -- i don't. it just shows up here. it's different. it's not mika's $5. >> yeah, whatever. >> think about that. >> i learned that mitch mcconnell does see it possible that this -- that trump is just a phenomenon and not fundamental change to the republican party. not sure i agree with that, but it's interesting. >> what's did you learn today? >> it was interesting his answer on trump. there wasn't one on whether or not there's anything trump has done that he can believe his word on. >> that he's going to stick to
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