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executive orders trump could accomplish without congressional approval if he becomes president of the united states. until tomorrow, we have one word for you. that is sayonara. >> coming up, "hardball with chris matthews." team hillary goes on the attack. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington, where hillary clinton today teamed up with senator elizabeth warren and made donald trump wish those two had never met. hitting the tycoon fresh from his time on the links in scotland and down in the polls here at home, clinton and the nightmare of wall street went for the guy's jugular. >> hillary clinton will be the next president of the united states because she knows what it takes to beat a thin-skinned bully who is driven by greed and
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hate. she knows you beat a bully not by tucking tail and running, but by standing your ground and fighting back. just look at her history. she's been on the receiving end of one right wing attack after another for 25 years, but she has never backed down. she doesn't whine, she doesn't run to twitter to call her opponents fat pigs or dummies. no. she just remembers who really needs someone on their side. >> wow. well, this was an audition for national running mates, the gentlelady from massachusetts nailed it, showing her chops at what presidential candidates most like in their number twos, hitting the guy they're running against and not being afraid to hit hard. >> i am so delighted to be here with my friend and a great
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leader, senator elizabeth warren. i am very grateful for that introduction but more importantly, i want to thank her for fighting every single day for families like hers, families like yours and millions of hard-working americans who deserve to have more folks on their side. i must say, i do just love to see how she gets under donald trump's thin skin. she exposes him for what he is, temperamentally unfit and totally unqualified to be president of the united states. >> that's a great line. donald trump pushed back against warren in a phone interview with nbc's hallie jackson. he once again tossed out the old pocahontas label. according to trump in that conversation, i hope that she's
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selected as the vice presidential running mate. i will speak very openly about her if she is. she is one of the least productive senators in the united states senate. we call her pocahontas for a reason. well, trump added she made up her heritage which i think is racist, i think she's a racist actually because what she did was very racist. well. meanwhile, trump's surrogate scott brown went further, challenging senator warren to take a dna test. nbc's kelly o'donnell is on capitol hill and colleen mccain nelson covers the clinton campaign for the "wall street journal." kelly, weigh in here as you can, as the supreme objective reporter. is this going -- is she actually auditioning for vice presidential running mate, or is this something to get through the night in a sense to bring in the bernie people, excite them for awhile, be a bridge, if you will, to someone a little more predictable as vice president like tim kaine? >> reporter: well, both of those things are real. there's no doubt that the clinton team wants to bring along those bernie sanders supporters who have yet been
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hesitant at this point, and elizabeth warren is formidable. we are told that she had been through the vetting process, that has begun. she's been interviewed by the top democratic lawyer who does that for democratic nominees so that's serious. we have been told to look at her in a serious way. and she certainly showed her skills as you point out that role of being the attack dog which is usually reserved for vice presidents is something that clearly, elizabeth warren feels comfortable doing and she has done it both on the stage and on social media, and that is strong. but there are many people who say there's a big downside with elizabeth warren and to some degree it's one beyond her control. she comes from a state with a republican governor who would appoint a replacement if they were elected as the democratic ticket and that would be a negative for a new president clinton, needing as many democrats in the senate to try to get things done in the first 100 days. that's something that certainly the clinton team is factoring
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in. that's also applying to other top picks like sherrod brown of ohio or cory booker of new jersey. they too have republican governors. but elizabeth warren was able to do a few things today. she can stoke that excitement about is she in the running, is she likely to be the first female vice presidential nominee for a democratic ticket and at the same time, the clinton team can proceed and perhaps choose someone else but not lose the kind of fire elizabeth warren brings. >> well, colleen, jump in here. let me ask you the question. maybe hillary clinton in the end won't pick her as vp running mate for a lot of those reasons that kelly just mentioned and other reasons, maybe she just doesn't want to be upstaged if you will, as they say, because she is a star. but here's the thing i would like to know. that may all be true. she's just a stalking horse for tim kaine or someone else. but she looks like she's running for vice president. i mean, i can usually tell if somebody wants something. i think she wants to be a star in this role. i think she would like to be vice president based upon how good she has been doing in this
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role. what do you think? is she running for vp? >> reporter: she certainly has not poo-pooed the idea. when she endorsed hillary clinton and was asked whether she was qualified to be president because former governor ed rendell suggested she was not qualified to be president, she said absolutely i'm confidence, i'm prepared to be commander in chief. so she certainly is confident that she could handle this role. she seems to be embracing it with enthusiasm. it's worth noting that hillary clinton and elizabeth warren -- >> did you see that hug? did you see that hug? she is into this like a real campaigner? i'm sorry. not somebody who plays the part for three or four weeks before you pick the other guy. she looks like she's going for it. i like that, actually. >> they haven't had a close relationship in the past, so this has been kind of a getting to know you better period for hillary clinton and elizabeth warren. so after elizabeth warren endorsed clinton, you saw them having a private meeting at hillary clinton's house. they have had phone calls, they referenced that today.
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they are kind of getting to know each other and seem to be bonding over their shared enemy in donald trump. >> here's more from senator warren attacking donald trump in ohio, like i said, in cincinnati today. let's watch. >> donald trump says he'll make america great again. it's right there. no. it's stamped on the front of his goofy hat. you want to see goofy? look at him in that hat. but when donald trump says great, i ask great for who, exactly? yeah. for millions of kids struggling to pay for an education? for millions of seniors barely surviving on social security? for families that don't fly to scotland to play golf? when donald trump says he'll make america great, he means make it even greater for rich guys just like donald trump.
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>> kelly, that populism is something that elizabeth's known for. that's how she got the job as senator from massachusetts. people up there love her because of this. hillary's not a populist. she's a pro, she's really good at all this government thing you and i take an interest in, but she's not one of the people out there in the little villages that's come out and said i got a pitchfork, elizabeth warren despite her ivy league and that background acts like she has a pitchfork. >> and she's able to deliver those blows to the head, if you will, without looking like she's the bad guy. she does it with a bit of self-deprecation or a softer tone, yet what's in her message is stinging. there have been times when she was not really on the same page with hillary clinton who of course has represented new york in the senate, where wall street is the home base, and so this is kind of a new relationship. it certainly would be a very different story if elizabeth warren did not want this job.
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she would not have come out in the way that she has in very public strokes over the last few days and today was a notable day. if they wanted to test the imagery, test the reaction of the crowd, test the message, this was a very good day for both hillary clinton and elizabeth warren. but again, in the end, when the calculation has to be made by hillary clinton about who best adds something to her ticket, it may be that there's another choice and the front-runner appears to be tim kaine, who would perhaps be more helpful with virginia. so it's a complicated choice and hillary clinton unlike some nominees in other years, she has a lot of good options. that's a good place to be. >> she sure does. great reporting. i agree with you on everything. i think tim kaine is still the favorite because of those reasons. what do you think? i will give you one last shot, colleen. isn't tim kaine the favorite given the fact virginia will be close, he is kind of, has a number two quality to him. he looks like a guy who would accept the role of being two doors down from the president and not be a threat to him.
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i don't mean that negatively. vps aren't supposed to be threats to presidents of the united states. >> he has executive experience. he was governor of virginia, he ran the dnc. there's no obvious negative with tim kaine. i think he would say that the so-called boring factor which he embraced and i have had other democratic operatives say they don't see that as a downside. that might be good for hillary clinton. we don't want to get too far ahead of the process. she has several people to consider. but tim kaine certainly has a lot to offer. >> and he's irish. let me ask colleen the same question. you think he's still the favorite? chris cillizza put him at the top of the list again today. >> he has a lot working in his favor. not least of which is the fact that hillary clinton is comfortable with him. in talking with people who are close to this process, they say that at the end of the day hillary clinton is going to want to choose someone she considers a partner, someone she actually likes being around, and they have an existing relationship. she feels comfortable working with him.
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also, people close to clinton talk about the fact that at this point, the race could certainly shift over the coming weeks before they make a final decision, but at this point they don't feel like they need to make a hail mary decision. they don't necessarily think they need to go bold on this decision. they see some value in making a safe choice that she's comfortable with and from watching hillary clinton campaign over the last year plus, we certainly know that she is fairly cautious and often she opts for the safe choice. >> yeah. you don't throw a hail mary pass when you're two touchdowns ahead in the last quarter. thank you, kelly and colleen. a pair of new polls out this week verify just what colleen said there. look at these problems for donald trump. the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, our poll, shows clinton leading trump by five points nationally. since may trump dropped two points in that poll. the poll from the "the washington post" and abc, clinton leads by 12 points. that's a huge shift from last month. clinton gained seven points
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while trump lost seven in that recent month. joining me is thomas perez, secretary of labor. he was here on a personal capacity as a hillary clinton supporter. thank you for coming. >> good to be with you. >> what do you think about this? is it going to be tim kaine or somebody wild like elizabeth warren? two women? first two women? >> i will leave that for secretary clinton to decide. what i'm all about every day in my personal capacity is making sure we build on the progress of this president and take it to the next level because the differences between these two candidates could not be more stark. >> let me ask you the tough question. you look at the polls, nationally hillary is up. maybe an average of seven points. that's a good average to be above. but if you look at pennsylvania, ohio, some tricky industrial states where people do have jobs problems, where industry has caved over the last several decades, they are looking like brexit. they are looking like england. they are looking like those parts of the u.k. that voted to get out of europe. they don't like the way things are. how does she bring them back? >> again, i would look at the
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polling back in 2012 and 2008 at that point in the campaign. you saw similar numbers. >> in those states, where they like trump. >> and the reason hillary clinton is going to do very well there is because she's all about how we can make an economy that works for everyone, not just the few at the top. donald trump is a fraud. he's in it all for himself. >> what about trade? hillary clinton had supported bill clinton definitely had supported the trans-pacific trade agreement. then hillary decided politically, i believe, to be against it. i don't know where bill clinton is on this. where are you on trade? where's labor on trade? >> labor supports secretary clinton. >> do you support the trade deal or no? >> labor supports secretary clinton. the reason why labor supports secretary clinton, the afc-cio just endorsed her, the uaw endorsed her, is because this campaign is about -- it's not about slogans. it's about substance. donald trump talks about how i'm going to go after china --
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>> let me ask you a policy question. are trade agreements good for american labor? >> again, the labor movement has raised a number of very important questions about trade agreements and one of the things that they know is we need to learn lessons from our history including the mistakes that have been made. >> they want a very strong platform, a very strong plank coming out of this convention in philadelphia against trade agreements. are you comfortable with that? >> again, here's what the differences are, chris, between secretary clinton and donald trump on the issues of trade. donald trump talks a mean game about bringing jobs home, but you look at the jobs that he creates through his own lines of business, his suits are made in mexico, so he's going to build a wall along the mexican border -- >> what's the difference in their trade philosophy? >> there's huge differences. he's all talk, no action. she's substance. she talks about forming, having a trade prosecutor so that you can take on china, who has been dumping steel. build on the progress of the
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obama administration and take it to the next level. she talks about building, making sure we create jobs here. we reward businesses who are creating jobs at home and we punish businesses who are outsourcing jobs overseas. >> would she pun eshish a comp that wants to pull out? would president clinton do that? >> her platform is all about rewarding businesses who create jobs at home. if you want to take your business to another country, then you are going to pay a penalty. >> i'm glad to hear that. let me ask you a question. political question. have you been vetted for vp? >> you would have to ask the campaign that. >> you have never been questioned? >> you have to ask the campaign. >> have you been questioned? >> have i been questioned? >> have they called you in and said we're checking you out for vp? >> i don't know who they're checking out. >> they never checked you? >> again, you have to ask them. i don't know, chris. >> have they asked for paperwork? have they asked you for paperwork? >> i don't know what they're doing. >> have they asked you for anything -- >> chris, i would --
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>> i just take that as a yes. >> chris, here's the deal. here's why i have been so heavily involved in her campaign from the outset. this nation is at a crossroads right now. this is not simply, a trump train wreck is not simply a train wreck for workers in ohio. it's a train wreck for american values. it's what we stand for as a nation. in times like this, we need someone who will bring us together, not someone who is going to divide us. donald trump, he's a disaster. on domestic issues it's all about him. on foreign policy issues, he's a lose c loose cannon. ready, fire, aim is not a strategy for national security. >> i'm glad you said that. >> take care. >> i think you must be under observation for vp. you can't tell me. i understand why. thank you, secretary of labor in this administration. i'm very excited to tell you about a special hour coming up
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here on "hardball" on monday july 11. bill maher will be our guest for the whole hour. this guy gets audiences because he's outrageous. he can say things nobody on regular television can say. he is something. that's two weeks from tonight here on "hardball." bill maher, the whole hour. donald trump may be down in his newest polls but the forces driving trump's campaign, nationalism and anti-immigration just won big in england's vote to leave europe. could he parlay the same feelings among disaffected voters and workers in places like pennsylvania, ohio and michigan into electoral try yump in november? plus a huge victory for abortion rights activists as the u.s. supreme court strikes down tough restrictions on abortion clinics in texas. reaction to today's ruling. and the "hardball" roundtable is here as hillary clinton strikes deep against donald trump. she's accusing him of using the chaos after britain's vote to leave europe to push his own business interests. she's saying he's selfish. finally let me finish with the
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welcome back to "hardball." global stock markets were hammered again today as the world continued to grapple with the magnitude of great britain's decision to leave europe basically. earlier today, boris johnson leading contender to replace david cameron as prime minister wrote an op-ed where he
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celebrated britain's independence writing i can tell you the number one issue was control, a sense that british democracy was being undermined by the eu's system and that we should restore to the people that vital power. to kick out the rulers at elections and t choose new ones. those leaders are looking more nationalistic these days. the vote was a resounding victory for movements fueled by populist anger and distrust of the political elite. here in the united states that anger is spurred by economic anxiety and is leading voters to trump. for more i'm joined by msnbc political analyst hugh hewitt and dana lash, a conservative radio talk show host as well down in dallas. i have the sense that as bdad a candidate as trump has been lately, the stuff he said focusing on the judge in a way that was stupid and self-interested, talking about his golf course as if it was more important in the money it brought in and than the life and
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economy of britain itself. stupid statement after stupid statement yet he still has something there, something the public in its anger and frustration with immigration and trade wants to be heard and he is saying it. hugh, you first. >> it's called patriotism. i think what happened in britain, i had john fisher burns, perhaps the greatest living foreign correspondent on the radio this morning from the "new york times" and he said there beats in every english heart that shakespearean summoning of the shimmering sea. what donald trump is talking about by making america great again is not just reagan but a lot more than that that resonates, and you have been talking about them all night, pennsylvania, michigan and ohio voters, and they are going to turn out for donald trump regardless of how often hillary clinton who is basically the british labor leader, jeremy corbyn, better pantsuit and better makeup. >> is she that bad? >> she's that far to the left.
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you put warren on that ticket, you have the hardest left ticket in the world. >> hugh, hugh, your lack of love for trump has become this torrid anger against hillary. she's not rousseff. she's not her. >> that's elizabeth warren. hillary is jeremy corbyn. back to trump, if he keeps tapping into this patriotic resurgence, the person i'm worried about who came out of your last segment is tim ryan in northeastern ohio because if she can go back and get roman catholic democrats, she carries ohio and western pennsylvania and beaver falls and sharon, that's who i'm worried about. >> you think she's that smart? >> oh, when it comes to politics, the clinton machine is the deadliest machine. come on, chris. >> dana? you're on. go ahead. >> i wrote about this.
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it explains this. the reason we are in this position, the reason we have donald trump as our candidate, the presumptive nominee, i know we got to go and solidify that at the convention but people just kind of want to see the system burn and i think it is ironic that it's a guy from new york that fly over nation picks to do that, but he's been the only person so far that is just going to be this mallet that people can wield to smash the system in d.c. that's why. i read an article today in politico that gets into how all of these disaffected voters, particularly those in southern missouri and some in kentucky and virginia, these have for so long been a dependable voting bloc for hillary clinton, you are talking about the working class, people who work in the mines, all of this, but now they are kind of leaning towards donald trump and i think that this plus seeing how much this has spread worldwide with the brexit as well, i think hillary clinton kind of has a lot to worry about going into november. >> let me go back to both of you on this question because it gets back to what you, we talked about for all those months in
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the primaries, he ran this campaign, this same campaign against the republican establishment that he's running nationally. he may be the first politician in history to run the same general election campaign that he ran in the primaries. no pivot, none of that crap, just being the same guy, i'm running against the establishment which is pro-trade, loosey-goosey immigration. we don't really have an immigration policy. what i was grabbed by along the lines you spoke, one of the reasons the british people were angry, the majority of them were, is their immigration policy wasn't even being set by the people they elected. it was being set in brussels. like patrick monaghan, brussels. why should somebody in brussels decide what your immigration policy into your country is? that's the extraordinary thing. i understand why they didn't like that. >> you are the first honest democrat. >> kudos. >> a lot of people want to say it's only anti-illegal immigration. it's not. it's anti-brussels, anti-washington, d.c., anti-elites governing daily lives. >> we don't have an immigration policy right now. we don't have one. >> whatever it's not, it's not
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being run by people in texas and arizona who are bearing the burden of it. >> they are penalized for it. n not to interrupt you. i had dinner with a border patrol agent the other day. he said it frustrates us to no end that washington, d.c. sets the policies for our state and we can't even uphold our own laws. >> i think that's interesting. it's one of the reasons why the southwest, there's a big diversion between the hispanic population and latinos and the people that are angry about illegal immigration. this question i have for you. is putting elizabeth warren out there as a stalking horse which i think she is, is this going to help relieve the democrats' problem on these fronts, this patriotic -- does it make people in the country, the democrats know what populism is? >> i think in a way it does. just floating her out there as bait for the lack of a better way to put it. >> what's the bait and switch, though. is that going to go over well? >> i don't know if that will. for right now she's sort of satiating all the people
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disaffected from hillary going towards bernie. now if it looks like they are having a golden girls moment with hillary clinton and elizabeth warren out there -- >> golden girls? they are not in that age group, first of all. i have to give it to dana. good luck on your book. it's an interesting idea. it's about time somebody wrote it. i want to say this. the question hillary clinton has to answer is does she really get it. do you think she gets it, hugh? she doesn't want to answer it. >> no, she doesn't get it. she does not get it. here's the question we ought to be watching for. there's going to be a leader shep ship election in the conservative party. if theresa or fox, the former defense secretary, emerges as the leader, that's not good for trump. if boris johnson emerges as the leader that, means that which powered brexit is gaining strength. if he doesn't get it, that means that hillary clinton, if theresa may emerges, the serious woman, the home secretary, the person
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with experience in foreign affairs, that's a very good omen for hillary clinton. watch that space. >> lot of crazy things happening. ireland may be reunited. scotland may go independent. we may get boris johnson at westminster. thank you, hugh and dana. thanks for joining us. up next, the supreme court delivers a victory for abortion rights activists and supporters. i will speak with the president of planned parenthood herself about this decision down in texas and what it means for women across the united states.
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here's what's happening. 500 national guard troops are on the ground, 200 more are on the way to assist residents in flooded parts of west virginia. 23 people have died. president obama signed a disaster declaration on sunday. meanwhile, in california, authorities are searching for potential victims of the erskiene wildfire. two people are confirmed dead. 250 homes have been destroyed.
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2,000 firefighters are battling the blaze which is 40% contained. those are the headlines. now back to "hardball." so much big decision making at the supreme court today. the court handed abortion rights advocates a major victory today in what is considered to be the biggest abortion case in nearly 25 years. the court ruled 5-3 in favor of texas clinics that argue that the strict laws make it harder for women to get abortions. since the law was passed if n 2013, more than half the clinics in that state were forced to close. justices breyer, ruth bader ginsburg, sotomayor and justice kennedy wrote in favor of texas clinics and chief justice roberts, and justices thomas and alito dissented. joining me is nbc justice correspondent pete williams. this is unusual. it shows maybe an eight member
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court might be an effective instrument of justice here. >> couple things to think about. justice scalia had been on this court it would have been 5-4, probably the same outcome. secondly, of all those justices, the only one who spoke up and said there was nothing wrong with the law was justice thomas. but it is a pretty strong smack-down of the texas law. basically the court says it raises obstacles to women's access to abortion without any medical benefit, so therefore it's an undue burden. this decision doesn't by itself undercut the other laws but can be used in other states to challenge them. >> does this reaffirm casey and webster and the cases subsequent to roe v wade, bottom line, a woman, given the term requirements, is entitled under the law to her own decision making? >> absolutely. it's casey all over again. the language of casey, remember what the supreme court said in casey which was almost 25 years
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ago, states can put restrictions on access to abortion but they cann cannot unduly burden a woman's access to abortion. that's the holding today. the texas law, the supreme court said, is unconstitutional because it's an undue burden. it puts new life in that test. >> last question. the justices particularly justice kennedy seemed to be seeing through the motive of the opponents. they were doing this not to protect the life and lymimb of e of the patients in these abortion procedures but doing it to stop abortion. >> that's what the ruling says, these were a pretext, that they don't do anything for women. as a matter of fact, ruth bader ginsburg in a concurrence says the texas law makes it worse for women by making it very hard to get an opponent, a lot of women might try illegal means. >> or drive 200 miles and find the doctor who will have a waiting list. >> absolutely. >> what's it called? supply and demand. they wanted to reduce the supply. thanks, pete williams, as always. just after news of the court's ruling broke, democratic
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presidential candidate hillary clinton tweeted the following. scotus' decision is a victory for women in texas and across america. safe abortion should be a right, not just on paper but in reality. she also tweeted this, this fight isn't over. the next president has to protect women's health. women won't be punished, a word she took from donald trump, of course, for exercising their basic rights. joining me is cecile richards, president of planned parenthood. thank you. congratulations is in order because the decision clearly supports roe v wade. >> absolutely. this was a really important decision for women of texas but women all across the country, and it was so refreshing to have the court really focus on the impact on women. as you said, the state had claimed that these laws were actually out there to protect the health and safety of women. they did just the opposite. i think the other thing that's really important is that now, very highly qualified medical doctors who had been prevented under this law from providing care to women will be able to do that once again. it's a really important win. >> is this an election issue
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this year? i look at the two candidates and we are all going to be students of hillary clinton. we have been that for years. but now donald trump. is there a decision, a real one when you look at both of these, do you really believe donald trump is pro-life, for example? do you think he is? >> all i can say is i read what he says and there are two very disturbing things that donald trump has said. one of course that he wants to punish women who had abortions and the other is, i think this is so important for today's decision, that he would appoint justices who would overturn roe versus wade. this is a very relevant decision. what we have found from voters not only women voters but men as well, they consider roe versus wade established law. this is a right that women have and we are not going to go backwards. donald trump would like to take us back to the 1950s and i don't think this country is going. >> let me ask you, do you have any reservations about tim kaine, the senator, former governor of virginia, as a possible running mate for hillary clinton? do you have any reservations yourself? >> there are a lot of folks who have been discussed, chris, and
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i think the exciting thing about this election is hillary clinton has been four-square and the democratic platform as well on being completely supportive not only of planned parenthood but of the right to abortion by women. they committed to overturn the -- >> how does that relate to my question? >> well, the way it relates is i believe, and i expect that whoever she chooses as her running mate will support her position and support the position of the democratic party, and that's very exciting and important and i think it's going to be a defining issue for folks in this election. >> are you saying that you believe the platform would control the policy stances of the vice presidential nominee? that's why you're not concerned? >> i just expect that whoever she chooses as a running mate will be four-square with her on the positions she's taken on women's health, women's rights, abortion access and planned parenthood. >> i get where you're coming from. thank you, cecile richard. again, congratulations for the courts. i really think justice kennedy
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is amazing. i think we should find out what that dna is and make sure it survives him on the court. thank you so much. up next, hillary clinton seizes on trump's brexit comments, trying to paint him as only in it for himself. that's not too hard to do after what he said about my golf courses benefiting from the fact brexit just won. that's a strange thing to make in a presidential run. the "hardball" roundtable is coming up to talk about brexit, trump and hillary clinton's attack on him today. alongside her new apparent for the day running mate, elizabeth warren. for your heartrn? try nexium 24hr. now the #1 choice of doctors & pharmacists... for their own frequent heartburn. get complete protectio with nexium 24 hour.
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they've made hundreds of millions of dollars selling access, selling favors, selling government contracts, and i mean hundreds of millions of dollars. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was donald trump earlier this month accusing bill and hillary clinton of looking out for their own financial interests before the good of the country. now the tables have turned after trump appeared to celebrate, that's a word i believe he did celebrate the financial turbulence created by the brexit vote, saying that britain's declining currency would be good for his business. here's how the clinton campaign seized on trump's remarks with a new ad airing this week. >> every president is tested by world events, but donald trump thinks about how his golf resort can profit from them. >> when the pound goes down, more people are coming to turnberry. >> stocks tank around the world. >> brand new sprinkler system. the highest level. >> talking about his new sprinkler system. >> in a volatile world, the last thing we need is a volatile president. >> joining me for tonight's
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roundtable, i'm glad to be back to the roundtable, april ryan, especially happy to be back here, why did i say bad? david corn, nbc political analyst, and veering off to the right, carol lee, white house reporter for the "wall street journal" but from the news pages. let me ask you about this crazy trump. sometimes he says something and catches reality. little touch of reality. then he goes completely off. what is he talking about saying this turnberry golf course is going to make more money because of the drop in the british pound? a whole country loses. he says that's okay, because it helps me up here in this golf course of mine. it doesn't show presidential anything. >> the one thing -- >> can you answer this one question? why did he do it? >> the one thing donald trump seems to care about more than anything else in the entire world is donald trump. when orlando happened, he talked about people are telling me i got it right. when there's a crisis in britain, it's like how it's going to affect him.
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>> when a judge he thinks is going to rule against him. >> he sees the whole world through this lens of donald trump. >> somebody said today, this is a wall street term, notion, that he is the brand trump. even when the brand trump deals with a personal financial thing that's the same entity. so when i'm running for president, it's the brand trump. it's always the brand trump. you know what i mean? everything is the brand, the building he comes out of, he does everything out of trump tower, he does it from golf courses, press conference at mar a lago. that's a weird way of looking at the presidency. >> he's also just wired differently than people are used to seeing running for president. he's a businessman, he's not a politician and he has -- >> right now he's a politician. >> i know but he's not yet made that transition. so you keep seeing he will do the teleprompter speech, then you see him resort back to just speaking off the cuff. >> could it be because he's footing the bill for this campaign, most of it, he feels he has a right to promote his brand, he ought to make some money off this thing? >> he's not making money. he's losing money. >> you know what the issue is? he's trying to do it all now
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before, if he does become president, and when he has to put everything in that blind trust and have other people -- >> he don't have to. >> wait a minute. how is he going to run for president and become president and be president and try to run his place in scotland and new york -- >> how come he's gotten away with not releasing his tax returns? >> because he doesn't have to. because it's not by law. >> to your point, we said this a week or two back, he has over $100 million, $200 million in loans from deutch bank. he would be a president of the united states who owes all this money to a foreign bank and he doesn't have to put any of it into blind trusts if he doesn't want to. so you have all these -- >> let's go, hillary clinton has been great on the attack today. elizabeth warren is a great pistol-popping whatever. she knows how to shoot and she shoots right from the gut. >> be careful with that analogy. guns. >> okay. didn't mean that. >> you're all right. go ahead. >> i will try to use a better metaphor. boy, she can pack a punch. she's really going after this
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guy in a way that -- i watched hillary today. i'm a student, like we all are, laughing with joy that her traveling partner, this woman who can do it better than her, does it so well with such joy, you know. >> that's the best way, if you are a politician to deliver a criticism is not to seem like angry and to have fun with it. they seemed to be doing that today. >> you know, fdr destroyed his opponent, they went after nixon. they destroyed their opponents as they laughed. >> it's the most effective way to deliver a punch. >> hillary clinton had a big day today, as did elizabeth warren. >> i think this was an audition. >> well said. up next, these people tell me something i don't know. you both have a perfect driving record. perfect. no tickets. no accidents. that is until one of you clips a food truck, ruining your perfect record. yeah. now you would think your insurance company
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we're back with the "hardball" roundtable. and april, tell me something i don't know. i did say bad to start this show. >> you meant flat. >> i'm the -- you meant glad. >> i'm the manned for gl for gl >> over the weekend we were talking about tim kaine mania possibly the one picked by hillary clinton. after i got off the show i got an e-mail right away from a congressional leader who just talked to elizabeth warren last week. he said, i will tell you something, hrc is going to pick elizabeth warren. i said, why? i had to call them. basically because she has some kind of something from the campaign that she feels she's in
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line. >> it would be real. maybe we are. maybe hillary hasn't made up her mind yet. hillary clinton. >> big case today on abortion. >> huge case. >> 5-3 win for the pro-choice side saying this texas law was too restrictive. of course, clarence thomas dissented and he went to great extremes to say this shows that the court is basically kaput, doesn't believe in the law. he ended up with this quote. we have passed the point where law has any further application. now, the interesting thing is those aren't his words. he cited that quotation. it was from antonin scalia. even on this day. >> he survives. >> scalia is there in the courtroom. >> the ghost of scalia. >> carol lee. >> the president is going to warsaw next week for the nato summit and look for him to forge new eu nato collaboration to try to mitigate any of the security measures cooperation they might
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let me finish tonight with this. i think we should pay attention to what just happened across the atlantic. i think there's a lesson there for us americans about the
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current mood in this world. so much of what we heard about britain's move to divorce itself is what we've heard from ohio and michigan and pennsylvania and much like great britain that voted against their supposed intellectual betters. they have been told by getter people free trade policy were good for them and immigration and cultural change were good for them and settle down and accept their station in life and accept the fact that the better people would protect their ints. they sat and listened and heard the smart establishment types tell them what's been happening to them. one day the conservative party in the uk nited kingdom got scad and said if the people let him keep his job at the top they would vote for the people at the bottom. they just did. there are real similarities to states like pennsylvania and ohio, in the mood to say no not to membership in the european
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community but in a political deal they see little benefitting them. if with the half of this country that doesn't figure to vote for trump or two-thirds that believe he's simply not qualified for the office, don't assume this election is over just yet. with all his obvious faults and faelgs as a presidential candidate much less a plausible candidate, keep in mind the message trump is delivering, like those who fought and won the battle of britain, talks about this country and how it's getting shoved around not just by other countries but its own eli elites. speaks of jobs lost to foreign trade deals and illegal immigration and talks of the same deep-seated anger that winston churchill fought so gallantly to liberate. trump may be foolish about in things but when he talks about this country he's not on a fool's errand nor should any else think he is. that's all for now.
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all in for chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in. >> donald trump says he'll make america great again. it's right there. no. it's stamped on the front of his goofy hat. >> hillary clinton and elizabeth warren join force to take down trump. >> she gets under donald trump's thin skin. >> and the trump campaign comes ungl unglued. >> she can take a dna test, she can release the records herself. then, fallout from today's supreme court stunner. >> incredible news for the women in texas and this country. >> plus, delegates revolting to stop trump make their plans to descend on cleveland. i'll talk to the woman leading the charge. america under water. >> louisiana has lost a very large amount of land over the last century. something close to 1900 square miles worth of land. that is equivalent today