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tv   All In With Chris Hayes  MSNBC  November 5, 2016 10:00pm-12:01am PDT

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it is now 9:00 p.m. on the east coast, just three days to election day. at this hour we are tracking life campaign events around the country as the sands acandidate out the final push. a major democratic strong hold in pennsylvania, no early voting. meanwhile donald trump is stumping for voting tonight in reason know neva-- reno nevada. live at the trump rally in r oechlt no.
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kelly, let's go to you first. what is the scene like there? >> well, it has been a night of rock and roll and patriotism mixed to go. just a short time ago. katie perry, who has been one of the most prominent celebrate supporters of hillary clinton, she did a concert here. the crowd is still here milling out. they have the confetti canons, a full pop event evening. this is a get out the vote rally because pennsylvania does not have early voting. we have been talking about weeks now for all of the statistics of americans around the country who have cast their ballot, but not in pennsylvania. so hillary clinton was also here. she spoke tonight. the former secretary of state mad ly madeline albright. this is about trying to get what seemed to be very core supporters to do their part on tuesday. >> i want to go to jacob rascon
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in reno, something appears to be happening. >> you are looking at people who are running out of the rally, and to be honest it's not clear why that is. it appears that there might have been a fight, some sort of fight right next to where the podium was. if we swing the camera back around, swing it around toward the podium over here. >> we've got that shot. >> what we have over here, oh, if you have the shot. >> we have a closer shot. stay on that shot. >> secret service who -- it looks like the fight may still be going on. you had secret service who jumped down. and there is still, as you can tell, they are telling people to get back, to get i don't know how -- what that looked like. probably a couple hundred or more people darted out of this place immediately once the
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secret service jumped down and started telling people to get back. i'm not able to see what, if any, fight that we've heard is going on is going on. i'm not sure if you could see this -- not only looking at secret service, it looks like guard members or somebody was -- >> yeah. we can see them. in cameo and helmets and sort of full sort of full military gear. >> i don't know if you can see this as well. i believe it's from -- trump supporters are not allowing him to go through. they're pushing him, yelling at him. somebody just grabbed his camera. i'm watching them yell at him, grab his camera and push him. >> that's -- >> this is going on about 50, 60, 70 feet from where the fight, or whatever that was, was going on in front of the podium, chris. >> so we've got some disturbance near the front. secret service jumping down off the stage after the candidate had left.
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people streaming out. you said dozens maybe as many as 100 secret service saying get away. we've got secret service. we can see them with the ear pieces. we've also got what appear to be national guardsmen who are there. then we don't know what that disturbance was, right? you didn't -- it's not like you heard anything specific that indicates what the disturbance was. >> no. i didn't see it. right now you're hearing the big loud boos from the crowd, as it looks like the secret service and others are escorting whoever made the disturbance out of the rally. i'm trying to look to see -- i don't know if you are looking at the same shot i am, but i'm looking at somebody in a black sweater who is being escorted out. this is the person. he has been escorted out by several officers and other police and secret service. he is somehow involved, but, again, chris, as i was facing the camera and so were a lot of the folks right next to me, we didn't see what started this
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below the podium? >> jacob, so we just -- just so folks know. that gentleman who has been escorted out, it appeared to be as a white gentleman with a shaved head and a jacket. hoody jacket. or a jacket with a hood. >> nobody! your next president of the united states. >> donald trump. donald trump has -- after he left the stage -- now he hasn't come back on to the stage. the reason that this was such a big deal, whatever it was, was because it was so close to the podium. as we've said, we don't know exactly what happened, but we know that it happened right in front of the podium, chris. >> okay. jacob, we have the tape that i want to roll of whatever incident just happened there. i want you to stand by and let's take a look.
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>> right. so clearly a scary moment there. you had the candidate, donald trump, at the podium. clearly a disturbance of some sort. the nature of which we do not know at this point. down close enough to the podium. secret service coming out grabbing the candidate, bringing him back stage. several secret service folks jumping off the platform down into that front area where we saw the disturbance. you can see there's genuine concern there. i mean, that's -- that does not happen every day on the campaign trail. it's happened -- it's happened a few times. probably i can count on one hand the number of times we've seen that in this campaign season. hillary clinton a few times with protesters. donald trump once at a rally in an airport hangar where someone came running at him, and he had
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secret service run oit. this is not routine what you are seeing right there. some kind of disturbance. possibly a melee. possibly a fight. possibly just, to be honest, it could -- protester that was loud, but was close enough that the secret service got really scared and you can see people down flowing back away from the disturbance, for very understandable reasons. secret service comes down. a few minutes after that you've got the national guard, i believe it is, although i do not have that confirmed, but certainly a gentleman wearing military style gear and camouflage and helmets coming out and patrolling the crowd. now, dan, who is the sort of warm-up act for donald trump, he is the social media manager. he just came out. you are watching a replay, of course. just so you know. that's tape on the left there. live on the right. dan scavino, who is the warm-up act for the trump campaign, just came out and said nothing is going to stop this movement, and
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the future president of the united states will be back out in a few minutes. so that indicates i think that the secret service does not think there is a threat, obviously. >> reporter: he may not come back on stage. >> mr. trump -- >> reporter: somebody on the microphone saying president trump, we love you. >> there he is. >> reporter: okay. he is here. >> let's just -- let's take this for a second, jacob. i want to see -- let's just see what he says here. >> thank you very much. thank you.
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nobody said it was going to be easy for us. but we will never be stopped. never ever be stopped. i want to thank the secret service. these guys are fantastic. they don't get enough credit. they don't get enough credit. they're amazing people. so let's get back to repealing the defense sec quester. right now it doesn't sound that exciting, but it's very important. we're going to rebuild our badly depleated military. that means brand new modern aircraft, naval air station, and
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you know what i'm talking. >> so that is -- that is donald trump that's come back out. as you can tell, clearly secret service getting the clearance. that makes me think this disturbance there most likely was probably either a fight or a protester. not something that worries them from a security standpoint. the candidate would not be back out there if there was even a little worry about him. jacob rascon will monitor and do reporting as we find out what the situation is. i want to bring in now john ralston. the legendary john ralston, who has been basically live tweegt the vote totals of reno, nevada, in realtime. reno, i believe, is washo county. am i getting that right? where do things stand with early voting? apples to apples 2016 and 2012 after the close of it last night in what was a pretty remarkable scene if you want to describe
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it. >> the scene last night, let me get to that first. aye been doing this for a long time, as you know, chris. i think legendary is just a synonym here for old. >> that's right. >> you picked up on the euphemism. i'll just use old next time. >> i appreciate that. listen, i have never seen anything like this. you had at a mexican supermarket thousands of hispanics vote. hundreds were in line at once, and they have always kept the polls open until the last person in line can vote, and it seemed that the line just kept going and going and going. it ended up at that market. it's called cardanis market. 2,000 people voted. the democrats ended up increasing their lead in clark county, las vegas, by 11,000 last night. 1,000 of it just at that one site there, and i just think it was almost a celebratory atmosphere from what i can tell.
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we are close in raw votes to where we were in 2012. the democrats in 2012, they have a lead in clark county of about 71,000 votes. it's upward of 72,000 now. now, i should say turnout is slightly down and relative to the population because there's about 150,000 more voters in clark county. 200,000 in the state. the raw vote total is really what matters here, credits, and the fact that they built up a firewall, again in clark county and that trump is almost surely by any extrapalation down by clark county. it will be difficult, if not impossible, for him to win the state. >> the jacob rascon report is back. it does appear the all clear has been getting that very hairy moment, which is disturbing. quite disturbing. it has now passed, and obviously
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secret service fields okay about what happened. i'm sure we're going to get the story. one more question, i guess, is if they're following the mathematical procedure, basically the math that won them 2012, and, again, they beat their polling average by about four points. what would have to happen on election day for things to go sideways for the democrats? >> that's the right question, chris. if you look at the models, if you look at the fact that it probably at least two-thirds of the vote is in 70% voted before election day. you would need the republicans, number one, to totally juice the turnout more than it's ever been done before, and also, probably trump has to win. well, listen to this. based on the numbers by at least ten points on election day to win the state if, indeed, it's even close to what the turnout patterns have been. that is almost impossible. that is why you hear him in reno right now.
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a little earlier complaining about voter fraud and complaining that they kept those polls open so late. they know the score in nevada, chris, and it's not good for them. >> i'm trying to find the quote. i think you were watching this live. it was -- was it the county chairman or the state chairman for the nevada -- >> state. >> the state chairman of nevada that said they kept the polls open last night so those people could vote. do you feel free? am i getting that right? >> i think he said a certain group. >> a certain group. >> yeah. of course, you know, those people. it's the same euphemism, right? >> i want to make sure i'm quoting precisely. >> i think he said do you feel free at the end of that riff if i'm not mistaken? >> that's exactly right. by the way, a close friend of the chairman and person who has been the political director of the state republican party now working as the chief poll watcher for the trump campaign showed up at that supermarket. i referred to it at the end and started complaining about people
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being allowed to vote. >> all right. john ralston. i want to go aquickly back to jake in the room with donald trump in reno, nevada, and after that scare there, what's the latest, jacob? >> i'll make it really fast. this time the traveling press is really leaving. as you saw, he was taken off the stage and secret service agents and others jumped down and grabbed one person who appears to be a protester. that person also surrounded by a lot of the supporters. that person escorted out. because a lot of people didn't know what was going on in the crowd think left. then trump came back on stage and said nobody said it was going to be easy, but no one will ever stop us. >> jacob, good luck getting with them. nbc's own who has been doing tremendous work all throughout this. she said the crowd immediately
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started turning on the press. get the f out, liar, scum all shouted as everyone tried to get a sense of what happened. that anger, that uncertainty, that fear about that scary moment all immediately put on the press. a cnn person was trying to get a camera, had his camera taken away. that gives you a little bit of a taste of where the anger immediately goes when you get a shock in the room like that. there's much more to come tonight, including documentary filmmaker michael moore who joins me ahead. stick around.
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business insider and msnbc contributor and christina beltran, associate prefer at nyu, author of "the trouble with
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unity." we should talk about what we just saw before anything else because that was a scary scene. let's just see it there. that's donald trump moments ago in reno hustled off stage by secret service because there's a disturbance at the front of the room. secret service hopping down. armed folks coming out. the traveling press being led out. possibly for their own safety because we know from our reporter the crowd turned on the press. they turned on the cnn person trying to get a photo. they started yelling at the press about 1 00 people left because they didn't know what was happening. one individual as far as we can tell escorted away. there's been a few moments -- real scary -- there's that one where the guy rushed trump who was unarmed, but there's been some scary moments. zoo well, then more broadly the atmosphere that trump has created his campaign events for over a year, and the mess in chicago, that required him to cancel the event. there's a protester getting punched. >> several protesters have been punched. >> i've never seen a political campaign like this in the united states, and it makes me think
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about something ross wrote in one of his columns. if you are worried about civil unrest after donald trump loses, imagine the civil unrest after he wins. both because this environment that he creates among his supporters and this rage that builds up in the crowds and the intense opposition he draws from his opponents and the way that he riles them up and creates situations where they end up fighting with each other. i think it's very scary, and i think it says something scary about what would happen if he was president. >> it's a good point. we should be clear, like, we -- people in the press cover campaigns all the time. they go to all sorts of venues all the time. i have to say i have been at trump rallies and been treated incredibly well by folks. have been happy to talk to me and have had no problem whatsoever, but, you know, there is nothing quite like that atmosphere that's been created in these rallies. particularly for protesters and for members of the press. >> it's really interesting. the specter of violence that has haunted this entire campaign is just really a visceral feeling.
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>> we're all waiting to feel like it's going to continue happening. i think what's really interesting if you think about what happened today with latino voters at the market is it's so interesting all these different sort of spaces of public gatherings. people are getting together in these collective spaces and they're doing very different things. >> it was massive turnout last night. that was kept open. you know, a little bit of, like, the photo of this and a photo of that rally in reno and it's like a little bit of sort of the two americas that are -- >> yeah. >> it's interesting who gets named as violent subjects and where sort of civic embodiment is happening or people are collectively gathering to become and enact their citizenship in this powerful way.
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there's something interesting about the quote about this moment of what does freedom feel like? what does it feel like? >> it's a line of the state chair. you know, we're seeing -- we're seeing donald trump go to more states in the last few days than we normally typically see. hillary clinton won't be going back to florida. she's going to hit michigan, ohio, pennsylvania. >> new hampshire. >> new hampshire. that kind of circuit. a few of them she's going -- she could be in more than once. here we have him in reno. he is going to minnesota. >> there could be two things to take from that. >> he is going everywhere the next few days. it doesn't seem strategic at all. here in nevada about 70% of
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people have already voted. the reason that hillary is focused on these few states is that she's focussing on states where there's very little early voting. not just pennsylvania, but michigan has very little early voting. she's going where there are people who definitely -- >> when you turn people out on election day. >> why is she focussing on so much on michigan? that wasn't a state that was thought of to be many play. people are somewhat concerned about soft black turnout in michigan. a lot of people look at that and say the clinton campaign is nervous. they're having to protect the state that they weren't even supposed to -- you can look at the map and say so much voting has already happened in nevada and north carolina and florida. there aren't that many places where you can really go and do a lot of valuable get out the vote. the more optimistic thing is that miv, they need to win michigan and probably will win michigan. it's one of the few places where they can go -- i feel like there is going to be a massive republican push against after this election.
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>> it clearly is -- democrats have figured out a way to get voters who might be marginal propensity voters. voters who are on the edges to get them to use that extended period of time to try to get them in the polls, and something tells me given that quote that the state chairman that we might see -- >> you're sitting there looking at -- you're sitting there looking at lines and you think to yourself, man, we don't want that. >> i think it's really going to show this whole question of, like, what it means to talk about voter fraud and why that language of voter fraud is really about voter empowerment. we don't have a voter fraud problem. we have a voter turnout problem. it's going to be interesting to see how the act of those people voting is already a sign that this is an illegitimate election? >> that was the first thing that donald trump in that rally, i would say, you are seeing it disburse. it has disbursed without incident further to what we saw. >> josh barrow, thank you for joining us. thanks for your patience during
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>> while we're at it, folks, great --
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>> all right. that happened just a few moments ago. probably about 50 minutes ago in reno, nevada, in the middle of a donald trump rally that was happening there. it appears security, secret service, local police ended up taking one gentlemen away. afterwards we've got some video of that i think should be coming soon. it's been loaded on-line. then after that the crowd got real riled up. shouting, yelling at the press. trying to confiscate the camera. then donald trump came back out. the all clear was given. it appears to have just been a protester who got loud, but he was very close obviously to that stage. joining me now michael moore, new film michael moore in trump land. i want to talk about michigan and millenials. first, you have been in a lot of situations where you are in front of a lot of crowds, and nothing happens, and there's
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that moment of fear. >> yes. >> is this going sideways? >> yes, that has happened to me on a number of times. yes. >> i have been fortunate to have good security, and here i am where. >> there's always this -- we always have this confidence which i think is largely an earned confidence. there's always something about the way that we've gotten -- it makes it feel ominous in a way it didn't feel before. maybe that's just me. >> we know the country we live in. it's not just the political season. >> now the good news, according to the washington post a couple of weeks ago, was that only 3% of the american public owns
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one-half of the guns. >> it's more and more guns in fewer and fewer hands. that means nine million people owning up to 50 million guns. okay. >> that is -- >> that's the cult we live in. we're always aware of it and are conscious of it, and we deal with it. it will get better. it will get better. >> donald trump is in nevada. the president of the united states, hillary clinton, a few other surrogates are going to michigan. i'll talk about your home state. >> bill is going to michigan. >> and there's sort of two theories, right, that josh barrow is just spelling out. they're locking this down because it's one of the places that doesn't have early voting, and thekt productively go there, and then there's folks i think are worried. >> i have been warning people for months about michigan. what i call the brexit states of the rust belt. that it would get close, it would tighten up like this. this is not surprising to me
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that it may be in somewhere near a virtual tie? the last days of the campaign are spending it in michigan. the warning signs have been there for a while. first of all, hillary couldn't even win the democratic primary. there were 130,000 more people that showed up on primary day. more people in the democratic blue state, all right? >> the republican governor obviously, and a very -- >> a republican legislature, yes. >> yes. >> and nine -- i think nine of 14 members of congress are republican thanks for gerrymandering. yes, this is -- this is something i have been worried about for a long time. now, the good news is that one of the candidates is going to actually do something to help the people in michigan, and the other candidate is using them, and conning them saying he is the man of the people.
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i mean, we all of us in michigan -- i live there, i vote there. we're all doing what we can do in the next, you know, 50 hours to make sure mesh stays blue. >> it's funny because i remember talking to -- i'm trying to think who it was. i talked to mitch stewart, who is the battleground director for the obama campaign. one of the things he said, says we overperformed in michigan because of the auto rescue and romney's opposition to it. it was real stark there. >> yeah. >> barack obama had done the auto rescue, and mitt romney, you know, essentially drop dead, it's a mistake. he thought that it was going to be a lower margin this time around because it was artificially high around that issue? >> obama used to say, you know, we killed bin laden, but we saved detroit. >> right. >> they never saved detroit. >> general motors -- bin laden
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is dead. >> now, detroit, i mean a lot of good things are happening in detroit, and things are improving and have improved, and the obama administration has been there to help. >> right. >> you go to parts of detroit now in the midtown area. there's, like, virtually zero occupancy. you can't get -- if you want to start a small business in midtown, you can't do it because it's all full. these are -- there are good things happening. my main concern is young people and bernie voters that they understand -- bernie won the state of michigan. >> yeah. >> i'm going to play -- you have a part about millmillenials. let's play that if we've got it. >> they didn't create climate change. they didn't send the troops to iraq. millenials didn't cause the wall street collapse. why is it on them to fix our [ bleep ] situation that we've handed them? i mean, seriously. >> i like that because i do
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think sometimes there's a little bit of this. there's, like, oh, these dumb millenials. they need to get it together and stop being so woolly-headed. they really did get an unbelievable mess not of their own making. really objectively. >> handed. right. now it's like you millenials have to save us on tuesday. no, you don't. what i do want to say -- >> save yourself. >> no. you see, we kind of know now. we know how african-americans -- the majority of african-americans are going to vote for hillary. the majority of latinos are going to vote for hillary. the majority of women are going to vote for hillary. the one group that is still up in the air are millenials. not between hillary and trump. >> they hate trump. they will not vote for trump. >> it's between hillary and not voting or hillary and voting for jill stein. >> or gary johnson. >> not in michigan. >> so that's -- so that's what -- what i say to millenials is do what you want to do, do what you think you should do.
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let me tell you something, you hold the power now for the next three days. you are the most powerful political group demographic in this country, and if if you show up in record numbers for hillary and she wins, the headline on wednesday and thursday is going to be it was the millenials that put hillary clinton in the white house and the power you will have for the next four years because you're the ones that did this. you're the ones that did this. >> this is a really good point. i was having this thing -- this feeling last night as i was watching. you know, we're starting to get some numbers about latino turnout that particularly in florida and nevada looks like it's exceeding expectations. still don't know if it they're cannibalizing votes, et cetera. i had a thought. wouldn't it be a hiarious end result if donald trump's candidacy ends up inspiring enough latino voting that they become such a powerful voting block that then democrats have to really, like, deliver for them. >> right. >> that's kind of the way things work a little bit.
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if you are -- >> that will happen. >> if you are a key group and you can't be taken for granted and you want reform, you incur debts. >> this will happen for hispanic-americans if this -- and it will happen for millenials. >> you already saw a little bit with the college stuff. there was a bidding war. there's a competition in the best way for those votes. >> i live in a town that's not a college town in michigan. >> yeah. >> in the primary it went 70% for bernie, 30% for hillary. this is -- i mean, i'm telling you. bernie voters need to feel great because we won 22 states, we moved the candidate to the left to adopt two-thirds of his positions, and if the democrats get the senate, the head of the senate budget committee is a guy called bernie sanders, a socialist in charge of the budget. >> which is the case he has been making around the country as he crisscrossed for hillary clinton. a pleasure. come on by any time. no cubs game on tonight. we have much more to come, and the latest on that scene in reno tonight. thank you.
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>> folks, while we're at it, great -- >> go! >> all right. that was a scene in reno about 35 minutes ago. donald trump was addressing a rally. there's a disturbance very, very close to the podium. you can watch secret service rushing in. one man was taken away. we've got some video of him being led out by police and other security forces pretty well armed there. you can see it i think as he comes through on this video, which is just uploaded, and the crowd -- the crowd, by the way, in this -- in the audio are alternating between booing yelling at him and yelling praise and thank you to the security forces that are taking him away. that's him right there. you can hear the crowd booing him, and you can hear in the audio crowd saying god bless you and such. the law enforcement officers who
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are taking him out. we still don't know what the heck happened, frankly. it could be the case as he was just loudly yelling protest stuff. if there was any violence whatsoever, if he was just a loudly disruptive protester who happened to be close enough to the podium that secret service and law enforcement got worried understandably. joining me now christina, associate professor, member of the new york daily news, editorial board, moved over from the new york post, and aaron gloria ryan senior editor with the daily beast. people should check it out because it is hilarious, and it's also been completely over used this campaign cycle. >> i guess, i mean, you play that footage, i fee like we should talk about that. >> yeah. >> we don't know exactly what
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happened there. i will say, though, we should keep in mind not the last time, but one of the previous times that donald trump was in nevada is when this crazy british guy who had a gun, you know, tried to rush the stage. >> he did not have a gun. he tried to grab the gun. he tried to grab the gun of a law enforcement officer. >> you're right. you're absolutely right. >> because there's mags, right? you can't go in with a gun. he tried to grab one. >> he tried to grab it. so i think it's smart for them to, you know, be, you know, exercise a lot of caution in that -- >> absolutely. >> part of it -- part of the theme of the dumpster fire oral history is just the unremitting darkness of this campaign. >> yeah, yeah. >> there's something -- i think part of why we get so freaked out and obviously any time you see a secret service -- it's terrifying. there's just been such darkness and ominousness hanging over the campaign for so long. also, you know, this is an outbreak of violence in a campaign characterized by
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violence and encouraging violence and discussing violence and talking about confronting opponents and opposition with violence. it's sort of like being surprised about violence at a trump rally. it's as if i put all the ingredients to make a pie, and i mix them up and put them in the oven in the appropriate pie formation, and i turn the oven on, and in 45 minutes i came back, and i said what is this pie doing here? these are things that are all leading. >> we did have the wiki-leaks link that suggested that some of the democrats -- actually they're taking advantage of that to try and stir up some -- >> let me just be clear. i want to be clear here. can we show that photo again so i can tell folks what that is? that's the clearest photo we have. in ermz it of what aaron was saying, it's clearly been the case that there's an atmosphere that's been created by the rallies. i think largely by the candidate himself and those around him. obviously there are some folks who are looking to start stuff. the footage suggests there might
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have been some of that. the other thing is this individual -- maybe there's no violence. it may have just been f you, donald trump, and he might have been close enough. >> if you are a person of color or a person they perceive as sort of not what a typical trump supporter should look like, you are also under attack. i mean, he could have said -- he could have said something negative to donald trump or perceived as being an enemy. >> last week, remember, we had the black donald trump supporter -- >> who was called a thug and kicked out. >> he was yelling because he was trying to get the attention of trump, and they thought that he -- they thought that he was screaming -- >> a protester. they took him out. >> the secret service person -- recognized him as a regular. he said you're allowed to be here. he said, you know, they're getting a little bit antsy, so for your own safety, we better take you out. >> trump called him a thug from the podium. we also had just to cover all the bases here. we also -- there was a trump
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event in which a black trump supporter hit a white protester. >> yes, exactly. >> i lose track of all the different things. >> uniter not a divider. >> the larger issue is, as erin said, this is now a culture of violence that he has bred. >> i want to be clear not to, like -- we don't know what the story is. i don't want to -- we don't know enough to know what happened here. >> we do know that he has violent protests. >> yeah. >> and it's not to blame him. it's just not surprising that things break out. >> and that's part of what's been terrifying where, we got three days left. we're going to tell you definitively who will win after this break. come back.
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i don't know what he's doing. i don't know what he thinks he's
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i don't know what he's doing. i don't know what he thinks he's going to gain from going there except for the media market of st. paul. >> if early voting trends hold in nevada and hillary clinton were to win nevada, the path to 2017 gets very narrow indeed. and virginia and colorado. it appears that way. part of this sort i'm going to michigan, i'm going to minnesota, appears to be like you need to break out of the narrow path you have and hope that a huge polling happens maybe. >> this is a spaghetti strategy right now. the polling says because i'm so great. he's just throwing things at the wall for the final three days just to see what sticks.
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his path is looking less and less likely, especially because we're seeing such great turnout in early voting. >> we'll see. >> it's true in nevada. florida is a little bit -- >> i don't know necessarily know if people feel in their hearts that they love hillary clinton, but there's a lot of fear as to what the republic will look like november 9th if he were elected. >> you know what his move to go to wisconsin, to go to minnesota, to go to michigan reminds me of? it reminds me of in the town hall debate is trump was looming behind hillary in this very odd attempt to intimidate her. like a creepy guy at a bar who is mad you won't talk to him is mad at you. this is looming behind hillary in the blue states thinking it is going to make a difference. >> hillary is sort of closing is
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a little bit unusual as well. going to michigan which seemed to be locked down for her for a while and then sort of the kind of shoring up in pennsylvania as well. it could just be they're trying to -- because those states don't have early voting -- >> this is the explanation. >> it is the explanation, but it's hard for us to read the tea leaves exactly. that should be the one cautionary moment we should take from this. >> at this point, i think the idea -- i don't think it's crazy to go to these upper midwest states for this reason. they've been under polled. if he's going to pull off some surprise, the surprise is going to be a reliable over performance amongst his core of essential non-college whites.
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if the polling is missing in some systematic way, there's a whole bunch of those voters in that area. if the polling is missing, that is kind of the place to find them. >> i think that's a little bit of chasing windmills at this point. >> at this point especially because we're three days out. the issue with trump is that he hasn't really had a strategy. i think the fascinating thing to see on november 9th is to see in the 21st century with a candidate who is a celebrity, in quotes, but who understands the media and is very much a 21st century, can he pull off the surprises and really make us rethink polling, rethink how we've discussed poor people, poor white people, immigrant voters and all these other demographics. >> just to try and keep all of us humble here, we are talking about donald trump standing for election on tuesday where -- >> with an absolute chance of being the president of the
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united states. could not -- believe me. that is my point. >> stay humble. >> the man is three days away from possibly being the most powerful person in the world. we leave you with that thought on saturday night. that does it for us tonight. i'll be back monday night with a final live edition of "all in with chris hayes" before the election. on tuesday, guess what's happening. we're going to have wall to wall coverage of the election. our election coverage continues with a live two-hour show hosted
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strategist hogan gidley, dana -- welcome to all of my guests. the map shows the toss-up states as follows: arizona, utah, nebraska.
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of those states, which are truly toss-up states and which do you think are falling to one side? >> what i'm really paying attention to most is north carolina. if he can't win north carolina, it's going to be really -- it's over for him in my opinion. my mama's from north carolina, i'm from north carolina, i'm going to be there over the weekend. i know a lot about the state. you win the counties with suburban women. suburban women vote in droves and they rarely vote on the politics, they vote on the person. the last several weeks in north carolina for donald trump, it's not been good about the person. so it's hurt him. two and a half million people have already voted. even if they don't like the new news coming out about hillary clinton, they don't like the obamacare premiums going up about 34% in that state, they may have already voted. they may have buyer's remorse but they have to live with what they bought, which is hillary clinton at this point.
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>> it does seem the three tranches of voters who appear to be sealing donald trump's fate, women are really at the top of that list, latinos, at the top of the list, african-americans up there as well. for women voters, what do you suppose is happening in a state like north carolina that really at this point can go either way. >> i think in north carolina that is really going to be the key and in that state like a lot of other early voting states, you see women coming out in larger numbers than they came out in early voting periods back in 2012. we've seen this trend for a while. i think men in this election are voting the way they typically do, backing the republican candidate and the numbers that are typical for a presidential cycle. women are treating this a little bit differently. there's been a lot of talk about how african-american turnout is down.
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well, part of that is that these other demographic groups are up. so white women, latinos are up and that's decreased the share of the vote that african-americans make up but in raw vote numbers in florida in particular, they're actually ahead of where they were in 2012. >> that's a very good point. >> i want to bring in jamaal simmons, who magically appeared. >> we can't live without jamaal. >> no. democrats kicked in gear, they got resources like sending barack obama like 83 times to go down there we know that the noncommitted, those are increasingly people of color. >> they are. a lot of people don't want to identify themselves as being a democrat or republican but they tend to vote one way or the other. as an organizer, it's pretty
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easy for the campaigns to tell who's who and move those people to the polls as they need to. what's really happening in a lot of these states is they're working a have different model from all the information i'm getting from inside the campaign. it does not look like 2008 and 2012. so some of the people on the ground feel like something's not really right but the numbers are showing up the way they should. >> maria, let talk about the latino vote. the latino vote is up 100% in florida, up 60% in north carolina, up 25% in colorado and nevada. one more clip with a "washington post" article, stan greenberg said the latino vote is explosive and said it is underestimated. people are stunned, he's saying, by the scale of it. maria teresa, your thoughts? >> i don't think we're stunned with it.
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we've been paying attention the whole time. last year in september, there was latino decisions to find out how many latinos were paying attention to the polls and 60% were paying attention. i think what we're going to see is not only continued participation but there's also two demographics that we're not talking about but are just as significant when it comes to close elections in swing states. that includes the asian-american vote and muslim-american vote. but in texas it's the second largest muslim-american population we have in this country.
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and it's harris county. i'll look very closely at them to see how the rest of texas goes as well. >> that's a fascinating thought. before i go to dana, i was reading today that one of the factors boosting the latino vote are people not necessarily voting on hillary clinton or donald trump but wanting to protect dopa for their parents. >> doca was the legislation passed for dreamers -- executive order, excuse me. trump said if he were to get into office, he would revoke that two-year program. and the second order, which is dopa, which would expand protection for mothers and parents.
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>> now i think the new narrative is we thought at least republicans had this theory of the case that there is this missing white voters, that is how they could expand the voters to win without latino voters. >> a lot of things are not terribly surprising. you start your campaign by identifying latinos as criminals and rapists, well, lo and behold they're going to show up and oppose you. it doesn't mean the older, white, middle class voters with economic grievances are staying home. polls show they are paying
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attention. so trump has mobilized some of them but it appears as many of us suspected all along he has in the process mobilized a larger group of other people for the other side. >> one of the other issues is a lot of democrats in favor of donald trump switched their registration to republican in the primary. are we also seeing some of the trump voters don't appear to be new voters, they either existed in the primary already or people who voted republican before? i'm not seeing anything in the numbers that shows new white voters. >> maybe more engaged and excited but not necessarily new. i was up here in 2012 when mitt romney lost to barack obama. romney got around 63% of the white vote. george h.w. bush won 60% of the white vote and won big.
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at some point the dnc refused to acknowledge the change within the demographics. we do need more turnout. bush won with 10 million more voters for his base, george w. did and obama came in and got 10 million more behind his base and romney couldn't duplicate the numbers. bush is around 84, romney was around 78, evangelicals, didn't even try to get them. trump is around 68%. >> not to mention mormons. >> exactly right. i was in georgia about a week and a half ago and women were leading in early vote in that state. when you look at florida, you
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have a similar experience where according to target smart, 28% of republican voters that cast an early ballot had actually switched for the top of the ticket on the democratic side. i would venture to say those were cubans or women switching parties at the top of the ticket. >> if your theory of the case is there's all these missing, infrequent voters missing of any type, you better build a ground operation and get those voters to the polls. they don't magically show up or they may show up and they're not registered. and trump never ended up building -- >> you need a campaign? what? i thought you just needed free tv. >> someone mentioned there was an event with joe biden and there were only 200 people there.
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when you're just a couple of days out from election day on the weekend before, you don't want to use a lot of your staff building events for principals. you have to get voters to the polls. they're not focused on doing events. >> we lamented and wondered during the primary process if the people that came to donald trump's rallies would actually get out and vote and they did every single time. i'm not saying they're going to do in the general elect like they did in the primary but it's been a weird cycle because it seems like for whatever reason he didn't have the turnout apparatus and they turned out anyway. >> they had natural enthusiasm. dana, i feel like sometimes people learned the wrong lesson from 2008. there was this presumption that african-american votes would stay when the first black president was running and they'd stay there forever. >> i think republicans are seeing it may not be the
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disaster they thought it would be but many republicans said to me through the cycle the worst possible thing that could happen is donald trump wins this election and republicans become permanently identified as the party of older white men. as hogan pointed out earlier, it's getting harder with each successive cycle. even if they were able to squeak it out in 2016, it's not going to happen in 2020, it's not going to happen again. this may be the watershed year but if it's not this year, it's the next one. >> thank you very much. up next, can americans trust anything that the fbi is saying right now? stay with us. i laugh, i sneeze... there goes my sensitive bladder. sound familiar? then you'll love this. incredible protection in a pad this thin. i didn't think it would work, but it does. it's called always discreet
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keeping the power lines clear,my job to protect public safety, while also protecting the environment. the natural world is a beautiful thing, the work that we do helps us protect it. public education is definitely a big part of our job, to teach our customers about the best type of trees to plant around the power lines. we want to keep the power on for our customers. we want to keep our community safe. this is our community, this is where we live. we need to make sure that we have a beautiful place for our children to live. together, we're building a better california. what we're basically trying to figure out is what -- who did rudy giuliani talk to. he says he got information from former fbi agents, but clearly
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there's information coming out from current fbi agents. we want to know who those agents were and exactly why they are doing this. it's basically undermine the fbi and when you lose trust in the fbi, clearly you can end up with a crisis of legitimacy. >> that was democratic congressman elijah cummings. he and congressman don conyers respectively, the ranking members of the house oversight and judiciary committees have isn't a letter calling for an investigation into the fbi leaks to the trump campaign. for rudy giuliani, he raised suspensions he received leaked information from the fbi when last week he teased an imminent surprise that could shake up the election and then just days later as promised, fbi director james comey delivered that shake-up with news of new e-mails which may or may not be
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relevant to hillary clinton's use of a private server. giuliani denied being given that information from anybody currently at the fbi. >> i had no idea that jim comey was going to do what he was going to do the day he did it, nor did i think he was ever going to do it. what i did know for about four months is that the fbi was very, very upset about the way jim comey had handled the case. i heard that from former fbi agents, not current fbi agents. >> wayne barrett joins me by phone and also our guest joining me. >> i don't think giuliani's walk-back is credible.
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>> i don't think giuliani's walk-back is credible. i think the fbi has become like a leaky sieve. there were people in the fbi actively working to try to help the trump campaign. this is just absolutely staggering and it is a massive blow to the integrity of that body. >> wayne barrett, based on your reporting, where do you come down on this? is tim kaine correct that there was in fact an active attempt by fbi agents to assist the trump campaign and to communicate with them? >> well, when mr. kaine describes it as a walk-back, rudy giuliani on the 28th said he was talking to active agents.
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and earlier yesterday he seemed to confirm that on his appearance on fox morning news. so it's not just giuliani. my piece is also largely about jack calstrom, who is the head of the fbi office in new york and he has said repeatedly on fox that he not only talked to active agents but he talked to agents involved in the clinton case. so there's no question but that they're trying to really reverse the words they've been saying. they've been bragging about it. in fact, calstrom in particular is put on fox precisely because they think he's talking to agents in the case. megyn kelly when she introduces him -- excuse me -- as i know
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you're talking to agents involved in the case. so, look, now they're trying -- i don't know why these guys who are experienced law enforcement people would go on television as they have been for months saying that they were talking to agents when they know rudy helped draw up the guidelines in the justice department after watergate in the 70s to prevent these agents from talking to political figures like himself. but they're certainly aware of it but they callously disregarded it in the conversations until they got caught. >> exactly. rudy giuliani is a former prosecutor, a former u.s. attorney. he knows the law. i want to play one more person who seems to be bragging about untoward -- that would be one donald j. trump talking about an fbi revolt.
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>> i want to tell you i'll bet you without any knowledge there was a revolt in the fbi. i'll bet you there was a revolt in the fbi by what they allowed to happen with respect to hillary clinton. there was a revolt. and i can be pretty sure of it. >> somebody who has worked with the agency, what would it say to you if indeed there was some sort of revolt of agents inside the fbi who then decided to try to use their power, their policing power, to try to take down a presidential candidate? >> it's a great question, joy. as a native new york are, as someone who joined the navy after september, i have to say what a disappointment where giuliani is on this and also
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calstrom as well. the fbi is clearly not supposed to a political entity. my experiences with them, these were very professional agents. and granted, i only worked at the supervisory agent level, not higher up, which is much more political. clearly there is something afoot here. wayne's reporting did an excellent job of drawing a dotted line between the fbi agency that calstrom chairs, as well as the marine corps charity he chairs, which happens to be by coincidence the largest recipient of a donald j. trump donation to charities. it has to give you pause. it can't just be coincidence. it would seem likely that calstrom still has contact with the fbi and the likely vehicle to pass this information to giuliani. it's disturbing to see something
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like the fbi to be used in the political campaign and to aid trump. it's not the way things should be done. >> there was an fbi record vault, a twitter account that's been dormant for i believe two years, hasn't done anything. and suddenly it springs to life this week. what it tweets out are, one, records of the clinton foundation and the pardon and trump's father basically praising him as a philanthropist. >> you can say there's a coincidence here and a coincidence there and it's just not a coincidence. these things to just have them
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happen randomly like this, it's not random. i mean, that's what it comes to -- that's what it looks like, that's probably what it is frankly. >> wayne, you have another report coming out about potential collusion about a super pac supporter of donald trump and rudy giuliani's law firm. can you briefly describe that? >> you just had hogan on, joy. tell him i'm still waiting for his call back because he represents the super pac. it's controlled by robert mercer and his daughter, rebecca, probably the most right wing super pac involved with a great deal of money in the trump campaign. they've had giuliani on the payroll, his two law firms have been on the payroll since 2015. so while he's making all these appearances, his law firm has been paid $563,000 by a trump
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super pac this super pac is tremendously invested in the notion of the clinton foundation scandal. the super pac and the mercers actually made a documentary film about clinton cash and the become "clinton cash" comes from entities that are tied to the mercers. so it's just incredible to me. i mean, rudy's law firm, his current law firm, greenberg trauwig represents -- the kushners are gigantic clients of rudy's law firm. and these fbi agents, assuming
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they believe that clinton is getting a political pass, they don't say by the way, i'm being paid to have this conversation with you, i'll going to go bill it at my law firm. >> really quickly, vaveed, a lot of people point out the fbi is incredibly aggressive when it comes to trying to pin something on the clintons, even when it comes from a book or devilling into the political but they doesn't see to be so aggressive in running down some of these allegations of foreign hacking, russian hacking, attacks on the delegates and the dnc. what do you make of that? >> it's a very important point. i want to clarify that. there's what we see and there's what we don't see. you're absolutely right. the investigative arm, which tend to fall under the criminal auspices of the fbi is very
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vocal and above the waterline. the counterintelligence area, which is where this would fall, one area is investigation and the other is operations. it tends to be the fact that the fbi and intelligence community does not discuss these types of operations. just because you don't hear about it, one should not make the mistake it is not happening. i would not be surprised that donald trump loses the election, come thursday or the day after that we don't see results of those investigations and operations. it's clear there's a far nexus and i would be surprised if the fbi was not very actively involved in those efforts. >> well, tick tock. a lot of stuff to chew our, naveed jamali and wayne barrett, two of the best. >> and coming up, a red flag over at trump tower. i'm show that to you next. there's a denture adhesive that holds strong until evening.
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for the past 17 months i've traveled across this nation and met the amazing people of our country. their hopes have become my hopes and their dreams have become my dreams. this is not just a campaign, it's a movement. it's a once in a lifetime chance to take our government back from the donors and the special interests and return the power to you, the american people. it's time to close the history books on the clintons and to open a bright new chapter focused on the great citizens of our country. >> delivering the republican weekly address ahead of election day is a tradition for the party's nominee. today donald trump used that platform to call for party unity, yet unity within the gop has been a problem for trump, so much so that the nominee remains a man alone less than three days before the election. mitch mcconnell gave a strong endorsement on wednesday. and house speaker paul ryan who
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waited until today to say he would campaign for trump if he found himself in washington. and marco rubio said he has no plans to support donald trump, even though he said he would. michelle, you have this weird dichotomy from republicans who say we want donald trump to be president but they won't go near him. what is that about? >> they won't go near him, they don't mention his name in certain places. they all refer to mike pence. it just depends on which one of the people we're talking about. i think all of them are already on i hate to say looking forward
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to 2020, who is going to run for president, maybe a little bit of the savior complex, so, for example, if donald trump is elected president, one or the other will be the person to bring sanity to the republican party and be the voice of reason within the republican party. and then there are people who i believe are so worried about the down ballot and the hundreds of thousands of people who support donald trump, they want to make sure their people get back in and maybe the on way to do that is to get donald trump's support of them. >> presumably donald trump has fired up voters who are not necessarily going to forget in 2018 who didn't stand with him so the incentives are to be with him. how does the party extricate itself if everybody must be with him in this election zit going to be a complicated thing post-election.
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i have been saying for some time that these leaders in our party post-election are going to have to make some pretty strong statements and almost make like a 180 turn and acknowledge that this was a big mistake by the republican party, nominate being the one guy who couldn't beat hillary clinton this november and in the process dragging our party through the worst kind of mud that we've experienced in my lifetime. and so there's going to have to be a real mea culpa post-election where these guys say, look, our party screwed up and we're going to make some changes in order to turn things around. i don't see any way around it. >> but corine, let keep it real. democrats are not going to allow republicans to do that. >> i feel as if the guys we've just mentioned here haven't denounced trump at all. i don't know how they sleep with themselves -- how they sleep at night.
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that's between them and their family. they're showing a lack of political courage. it's almost as if they want the front row seat of the "titanic" going down. paul ryan said the actions of donald trump are textbook racism. that's what he said. but he hasn't denounced them as well. >> and rubio tweets out friends don't let friends vote for con artists. >> these guys are not -- they're sticking with him, they may not want to be with him but they have not allowanced hip and they allow trumpism. >> you have paul ryan who -- he finally said the word donald. he won't say trump. he said as far as voting for him and -- let's go to jason
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chaffetz, who said he could not look his 15-year-old daughter in the eye. >> the question is does jason chaffetz still have a 15-year-old daughter? where did she go? what happened here? the capitol physician is going to need to call in a whole squadron of orthopedists to help with the injuries they've sustained from all the contortions they've put themselves through. in the aftermath of the audiotape of trump -- it's sort
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of craven in saying i really detest the guy, he might win, but i can't alienate him completely, i don't want to alienate his followers from me. >> that does not bode well for has to guys, also then telling voters that they would stand up to president trump because they can't even stand up to him when he's a candidate. i have to read some of mark cuban's trolling of jason chaffetz. he says why are you calling for a investigation of trump's financial corrections to russia? isn't that part of your job? hey jason in the house, when will you investigate the fbi leaks? isn't that part of your job, right? hey, jason in the house, are you going to investigate rudy giuliani.
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>> i've already started sharing with you what was happening in florida alone in orlando, where 29% of the folks are first time latino voters. immigration reform is going to be top of it. not only do latinos care about it but african immigrants care about it and asian-americans care about it and muslim americans care about it. >> that brings me to my favorite troll of the day. marco rubio, probably the biggest profile in the lack of courage when it comes to trump, he said he shouldn't be trusted with the button. he said he would be honored to do anything to make trump president.
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this is marco rubio on wednesday. "at this point we're focused on our race. we have to be. it's no disrespect toward anyone. we really have to focus on our senate race. we have a tough fight. wire not just doing presidential events." >> he is worried about the florida race and if he loses, that is losing twice and there goes his 2020 presidential hopes. >> hold that thought for the next time you guys come. we will all come back in the next hour. coming up, celebrities use their super powers to try and defeat donald trump. the director of the avengers joins us next.
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now just in case you didn't notice last night, i got to say i was with jay-z and beyonce. when a famous entertainer says i want to support you, get out the vote, that is such a gift. but the thought that went into that last night, my favorite part was beyonce had her backup singers and dancers in pant suits.
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>> that also included a-listers jay-z, big sean, chance the rapper and jay cole. tomorrow clinton will be back in cleveland to campaign with the city's hometown hero, lebron james. and in less than an hour from now, she will appear with pop singer caty perry at a get out the vote rally in philadelphia. and you might have noticed some in this video, which himself already gotten more than 7 million views on youtube. >> you only get this many people together when the issue is one that rule matters. >> a disease or a racist coward that could permanently damage the fabric of our society. >> that video is part of a campaign named "save the day," whose mission is to emphasize the importance of voting and
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encourage americans to get out and vote. the writer and director behind the avengers franchise, josh eden. my staff is like over the moon that we are talking to. and so here's the question. you managed to pull together this pretty incredible cast. you have don cheadle, you have jesse williams, you have mart be sheehan. when you pulled those stars together, did they come together with the kind of enthusiasm we saw in 2008 over barack obama or was it terror over donald trump that brought them to you? >> well, it was pretty much a combination of both. no one person i contacted said no. >> it feels like a message that
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is about donald trump but it's in a very civic-minded message about voting. is the idea here that young are people, people who are into popular culture are naturally anti-trump or what? what is the idea here? who are you trying to motivate? >> i am trying to motivate the people who might not otherwise vote because they've been so beaten down by this campaign. it's a partisan issue to try to get out the vote because the republican party is actively trying to suppress voting. particularly we're seeing it north carolina but we're seeing it all over. to remind people this is happening and, therefore, if somebody doesn't want their voices to be heard, that's an even better reason to get out and make sure they are heard. i may be inspiring trump voters to go out and vote but i think once people make the decision to back donald trump, they're already in the game.
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with hillary there's a certain amount of she's a known quantity, she's already there, people doesn't really think about it. they don't have the same kind of excited motivation for change and i think they need to remember if they don't vote, democratic people are going to suffer terribly, those they love and probably themselves. so it wasn't designed to attack trump, it's just hard not to make fun of him because there's a big target there because certainly i never make fun of his supporters and not to separate people but unify them but to say here's a moment levity and here's a moment of concern concerning the latino community, or whatever the moment is about. >> one of the things you do poke fun at is this idea of voter fraud.
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i want to play a little bit of video fraud squad. take a look. >> what about the greek place? >> i already had greek on monday. >> what about italian? >> i mean, you satirize this but there is this belief in the country. why do you think it's become so many engrained? >> the lie was created by the gop way back. mccain was complaining about it in 2004.
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it's gotten to the point now because trump has also added let's go out there and it's definitely going to happen, let's go out there and stop it where you have people being intimidated already when they're early voting and somebody has committed voter fraud for trump. he was like, well, if they're going to do it, we're going to do it. >> i want to play my favorite of your save the day videos. this is called the youth about millennial voting. >> don't throw away your vote. get in formation to cast your vote. i know i will because -- oh, no -- >> say it. just say the tag. >> did you not have any young writers on your writing staff? >> no, we had a bunch. >> then how did this happen? >> they didn't show up for this bit. they didn't think it was
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important. >> any time. >> i can't feel my face when i'm voting but i like it. >> they are hilarious in it. make your very quick pitch to the millennials who love your movies and may be iffy about getting out to vote. >> honestly my pitch would be we all dream about pulling someone out of a burning building, being the hero. the building's on fire. everybody who goes out and votes is protecting their community, they're protecting the people in their families, they're protecting the economy, they're protecting, they're doing service for everybody they know. so be a hero. put on a cape if you want. it's one day. >> absolutely. josh whedon, thank you for doing this and getting people to stay through the credits. thank you.
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really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and next up, there is no one in america better prepared to tell us what is going on in donald trump's head right now than tony swartz, the author of "the art of the deal." he joins me next.
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