tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC November 17, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PST
>> tonight on "all in" -- >> the forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. >> a week after winning, trump changes his tune. >> we'll get your taxes down. >> tonight as the plan to privatize medicare heats up, is donald trump already abandoning his populous campaign promises. >> he won, but i'm just making the point, you better take a look at what he won on. >> then meet the member of the trump transition team floating a registry for muslim immigrants. the real world implications of tweets from the world's most powerful man. >> when you give me a bad story, i have a method of fighting back. >> plus hillary clinton live within the hour when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. at this hour we are awaiting hillary clinton for her very first public appearance since her concession speech.
clinton is expected to speak very soon at a children's defense fund gala in d.c. president-elect trump seen alongside his family in his gilded apartment in trump tower last night ditched the press to go out for dinner. cell phone video of trump greeting his fellow wealthy manhattanites as he left. >> thank you. >> mr. president-elect. >> thank you. >> we'll get your taxes down. >> thank you. >> mr. president-elect, no heads up for the media, sir? mr. president-elect, no heads up for the media, sir? [ cheers ] >> make america great again.
>> before trump got that raucous ovation from the manhattan elite, you heard him promise them, quote, we'll get your taxes down, don't worry. it was one of the first policy pronouncements of the president-elect to reduce taxes on rich new yorkers. the people eating in a restaurant where the cheapest entree is a $36 burger. and a man who promised a revolt against those very same elites, a man who in his victory speech just a week ago promised this. >> the forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. >> this was trump's core message or at least one of them to the economically alienated white working class voters who powered his victory. trump will put them first, and he'll take power away from the people that don't look like them, the immigrants and the
coastal crony capitalists of america's ruling class. the emerging reality of a trump presidency is already looking far different. trump and his allies in congress are poised to promote the wish list of the finance industry, roll back financial regulations designed to protect the economy. trump plans massive tax cuts for the rich. indeed, by 2025, if passed, most of his tax cuts would go to the wealthiest 1% of americans like the folks who were so happy to see him in that room. the chairman of the finance committee says he plans to work with trump to protect the poor from payday lenders and to reverse a rule saying that professional managers managing retirement funds put their clients' interests ahead of their own, that would be repealed. paul ryan plans to replace medicare with private insurance. and he plans to weaken obama's new overtime rule which starting next month allows americans to earn overtime pay.
meanwhile, despite his message, packed with gop lobbyists. trump's election is now seen as a bonanza. the dow hitting all-time highs as other big corporations anticipate massive deregulation. despite trump's claim he would champion forgotten americans, he and his gop colleagues are poised to enact policies that will almost certainly further enrich elites, for lack of a better word, while increasing hardship for millions who can't afford to, i don't know, spend 36 bucks on a burger in a manhattan steak house. in washington yesterday, elizabeth warren pointed out the massive disconnect between trump's campaign rhetoric and the reality of his policy agenda. >> he did not win on a mitch mcconnell, paul ryan, business as usual, what can we do to help the giant corporations in america.
look, i know that the k street lobbyists are absolutely out there salivating. they're dancing in the streets. this is our big chance. we're going to get to slash regulations. man, look for a tax cut for those at the top. that's what the k street lobbyists may be thinking this morning, but that's not what the people who elected donald trump are thinking. >> if you -- >> and joining me now maxine waters of california. ranking member on the house committee of financial services. congresswoman, i want to start on what you see from the personnel from what you're hearing coming down the pike on big things like an agenda particularly on rolling back much of the financial reform that's been built up over the last few years? >> well, donald trump has said loudly and clearly that he wants to undo the dodd/frank reforms. that's the big reform bill that reined in a lot of the abuses of
wall street. it was after the 2008 crash we had that almost caused a depression and really was a recession and people lost their homes because of all of the exotic products that were put out there by the financial industry. so we worked very hard to come up with reforms to rein them in, keep them from ripping off people, to make sure that people who were depositing in these institutions were having their money on risky trades on and on and on. so he said he would do away with dodd/frank, that's very dangerous for this country. that would be a terrible thing for this country. yes, what were you going to say? >> you know, there's an irony here, of course, because in many
ways he ran as this sort of populist insurgent against global elites. it is your sense that wall street and bankers are pretty happy about his election? >> oh, yes. it's a holiday for them. as a matter of fact, jamie dimon is about to be thought of as the treasurer for the united states of america. he would be the secretary of the treasury if left up to donald trump. i don't know what's going to happen, but i understand he's number one on the list for consideration. as a matter of fact, understand they're literally having a party on wall street because donald trump has embraced them, bringing them into his administration, getting their advice and basically showing them that he's not going to hurt them. >> there's a broader domestic agenda that i'm curious to get your thoughts on. we've seen over years the speaker ryan, the ryan bupt, there's a lot of things he wants to do, one is privatize medicare. he's talking about doing that now. that's not something donald trump ran on, it was something that he and hillary clinton both
opposed. how likely is that and do you the democrats have a strategy to fight against medicare? >> you can't trust anything that donald trump has to say. one thing today, another thing the next day. but when he was out campaigning, he assured our seniors that he would do nothing to cut social security or medicare. in fact, it's one of his big ads that he played in pennsylvania and at one of his rallies. i just look back and saw him absolutely assuring seniors that he would do nothing to cut medicare and social security. now we have speaker ryan who is making it very clear that this is a top priority that they're going to not only cut medicare but they're going to privatize it so that they would be giving out some kind of vouchers and saying to people, you take this amount of money and you go pay for insurance, what you can buy, that's what you'll get. we're not going to have medicare as we know it. and he is working with donald trump to do it.
donald trump is now saying, oh, i'm going to modernize medicare. well, that's just another word, a code word for cuts. so you can't trust anything that he has to say. >> is your anticipation that the legislative agenda you're going to start seeing flow through capitol hill as of next year will be essentially the paul ryan/mitch mcconnell legislative agenda that in many ways just predates donald trump? >> yeah. we're going to see that agenda that is going to be embraced by donald trump. as a matter of fact, almost everything that he has said he's in the last few days he's changed his mind in some way. even when he talks about building that wall. he was going to build that big, beautiful wall. now he said, well, it will maybe have some fencing in it. he's backing up on it, even on obamacare, where he said the first thing he was going to do is get rid of it, but now he's saying the pre-existing
conditions portion of it or that portion that allows 26 years old to stay on their parents' insurance. we can't trust anything that he has to say. and on this medicare, this is very dangerous. i feel so bad for all of those seniors out there who believed him and thought that he would not touch it, that he would protect it. and now they're faced with the donald trump who is now saying, well, i'm going to work with ryan, the speaker, and we're going to modernize it in some way. what does that mean? what does that mean? it means that he's on the ryan agenda to privatize and to give the vouchers. >> yeah, i should note just what you said before, jamie dimon, it's unclear, we have conflicting sources whether he's standing in for treasury. but what is clear is the language you're referring to on the new transition.gov site, does talk about modernizing medicare and clearly echoes the language of paul ryan. thank you for your time tonight. >> you're so welcome. absolutely. >> joining me now charlie sykes
and robert reich who served under president bill clinton. you and paul ryan diverged in the woods. you could not support donald trump for a variety of reasons. i was persuaded that they were genuine. paul ryan stuck with him because he basically said the things that paul ryan and charlie sykes believe in, the division of america from domestic policy agenda is going to get in there with donald trump and lo and behold donald trump runs on some bizarre amalgam of ethno nationalalist backlash or dickensian tariffs, are they going to get the paul ryan plan? >> you know what? i have to tell you, i would hope so. but i doubt it. paul ryan and donald trump are on opposite poles of the conservative movement, opposite poles of their view of america and of their sense of the role of government.
i understand the concern that somehow this is going to be a unified front, but you know, as maxine waters did actually point out, you can't trust anything that donald trump says. what he says and what he does have been so different all year long. and you wonder what is going to be the breaking point? because you know what? there's got to come a point where paul ryan wants a lot of this agenda, wants the tax reform, wants a lot of the things you're talking about to go through. there has to be a breaking point where he says, i can't go that far. i can't swallow this. i swallowed steve bannon, i swallowed the "access hollywood" video. >> i'll say this only partly joking to you, robert reich, the only thing that paul ryan wouldn't be able to swallow is a huge top increase in the marginal top tax rate. i think he would get off the bus at that.
here's what i think is the case, robert, if you look at the venn diagrams of where this president-elect is and where mitch mcconnell and paul ryan is, they'd like to see tax cuts at the top. i suspect that's going to be something cued up. >> we'll see major corporate tax cuts. but getting back to the larger point, is donald trump going to have his way or is paul ryan going to have his way? donald trump doesn't have any principles, doesn't have any policies. has a short attention span. all he cares about is winning. if he can get a lot of stuff through congress and claim that it's his and that he won, then great. he doesn't basically care. and i think that's the bottom line. that's why paul ryan ultimately will come out on top as well as the congressional republicans overall. >> it seems to me, charlie, and i'm curious from the conversations you're have, it seems to me that tax cuts, a big tax cut obamacare repeal, medicare privatization, if you
look at the language on greatagain.gov and where paul ryan is, i suspect that some of it came from ryan's folks. >> well, that would be the argument. this is what they've been saying all along, that they hope that donald trump will put gold faucets in the white house and let mike pence and paul ryan write the legislation. but look, i mean, the key thing here is that you need to have policies that are going to grow the economy, all the things you've been talking about have not actually reached those forgotten workers. let's put this in some context. >> yes, thank you. >> those policies did not get those blue collar workers in pennsylvania, wisconsin to feel good about their economy. you have to stimulate this economy in some way, and you know, those policies, that's the way that paul ryan's going to present it, that's the way that donald trump is going to present
it, you know, and if it becomes too controversial he'll say, hey, squirrel, look at those immigrants over there. >> that's an interesting question. >> that's a key point, robert. >> well, ias just going to say, the interesting question is how long will it take the constituents, the people who actually voted for donald trump to catch on to the fact that it's the same old trickle down economics, the same old austerity economics that caused them to lose ground in first place? my fear and i'll be very candid about it s that donald trump is just a con man and huckster that he's going to be able to not only claim victory with regard to all of this republican traditional republican stuff that's going to be enacted but also he is going to say it is going to help everybody and the big lie that he tells over and over again as we saw during the actual -- you know, during the election, that big lie is going to persuade a lot of people that it's the truth until what, two years from now, three years from
now, will they catch on four years from now? >> this is the big question, i think, right? does the truth out ultimately? do lies improve for folks that are in the parts of the country that delivered the margins, that gave him the white house or do they not? you want to think that ultimate reality is what controls, although we're in such new territory -- it may not, right, charlie? >> but i mean, what if it works, what happens? now one of my concerns is that a lot of the policies you're talking about are heavy, heavy, heavy lifts, they'll be very controversial. you see the arguments play out here. that's why the role of people like steve bannon and the ongoing racism, the issues about the contempt for women, you know, what this is going to do, this is a heavy, heavy weight on conservatives who are going to try to push this through. donald trump is the face of conservative right now and that may not be pretty. >> we'll see a lot of scapegoating and blaming if things don't go away. if i'm the democrats i can't
think of a more unifying fight than to not privatize medicare and i can't think of a fight that would be an easier sell to the folks in the part of the country that they lost the votes of. >> i think, chris, that's the good news. people are being activated now to the extent that i haven't seen this degree of activation in the democratic base ever. >> it's going to take a lot. charlie sykes, robert reich, thank you both. >> thanks. we're still awaiting hillary clinton's first public appearance since giving her concession speech.
imagined he would actually get elected. so if there's a lesson to be learned, please, to the my fellow members of the media, do not underestimate them, do not view signs of manifest incompetence as a sign that they can't get done things they want to get done, deporting people, building a wall and instating a muslim registration. kobach, the show me your papers law that essentially codified a form of racial profiling parts of which were later struck down for that reason as unconstitutional by the u.s. supreme court. he told a tv station last week, there's no question the wall is going to get built. the only question is how quickly it will get done and who pays for it. he said construction can start without approval by congress by reappropriating existing funds in the budget.
in an interview with reuters trump's policy advisers had discussed drafting a proposal to reinstate a registry for immigrants from muslim countries. he was the architect of a similar registry that was terminated because of opposition from civil rights groups. he's one of the people whose ideas might become policy if the trump team gets its way. joining me with more is rick wilson, former senior adviser to presidential candidate evan mcmullen. my first thought is you've got folks that were allies of trump, kris kobach is a great example. steve king was talking about how happy he is by the first week of this transition, the iowa congressman who i had on my show questioning the role of nonwhite people and contributing to civilization. but my question to you is there aren't enough trump allies or in the inner circle to staff the federal government, so the question becomes who else?
>> the big sweeping ballpark math, you have about 4,000 really senior appointees and about 24,000 plus below that what they call the schedule c bracket. i think it's difficult right now because particularly on the national security front trump is not viewed by the national security and intelligence community as a person that is necessarily treating this with the seriousness it deserves. he's having a lot of trouble picking up folks in that domain. he's also having a lot of trouble staffing up the most senior positions by which many of these other appointments flow. and i think the tensions you're seeing about, you know, is secretary of state going to be rudy or nikki haley or some random guy who drove a car at a rally? when you see those fights going on, that's a reflection that although trump may have preferences, they're not locked in stone and there's really no one else that can make a final call in this organization except trump.
he often does those decisions, you know -- he referred to all these folks today as basically in the same tone and tenor of talking about "the apprentice." i think you're going to see a lot of chaos in this process and it will be difficult to find the final folks for some of these seats until after the inauguration. >> i mean, it also seems to me there will be a tendency towards the folks who are the most vociferous or the most extreme along certain lines of his agenda on, say, immigrion. it seems like they will have a lot of power in this administration. a kris kobach figure, if he were in a trump administration, secretary of state, it strikes me as where there isn't a ton of policy development as a rule from the trump folks in the campaign, someone with a vision who also allies with them ideologically is going to be able to take that and plug it
in. >> chris, also what you will see the steve bannon will be the actual guy running the agenda inside the white house, it looks like, is going to be able to take a guy like kobach, elevate him quickly and use their state-run media operation at breitbart and elsewhere to turn him into a hero and a big centerpiece player and everything and to really boost up the people with the loudest, harshest voices that are the folks who are going to play to the base that trump is going to need to maintain as reality starts to hit, you know, that he's not going to build a wall from the pacific to the gulf of mexico and he's not really going to repeal all of obamacare and these walk-backs he's been making very delicately the next few days, they're going to need to keep their people ramped up and excited for donald trump for a while. and they have guys out there that are the hair shirt guys who are really going to beat the drum for trump and go out to the edge of crazy and scream until they're bloody to keep that trump demographic up and
it's been exactly one week since hillary clinton took to the stage in a hotel in new york on a wednesday morning after the election and conceded. one week later she is poised to make her first public appearance since that concession. a lot of people really curious what she's going to say. obviously the concession was heartfelt, it was unbowed, she
had a message for young women everywhere. and right now she is about to come on stage being introduced by a legendary woman who, of course, civil rights activist, child advocate and head of the children's defense fund which is, i believe, the very first place that hillary clinton worked for when she got out of law school. you can hear the crowd there very excited to hear what hillary clinton is going to have to say. joining me now is michelle goldberg. she's a columnist for slate. if you were writing a speech for hillary clinton on this day, what would you say? >> well, if i was writing a speech for hillary clinton, i mean, you know, i think it's important to realize she has nothing to lose at this point. she is for the first time in decades in the public spotlight not positioning herself for a job in front of a kind of hostile and skeptical public. so what i hope that she will do is speak to -- "a," speak to the
people who are terrified at this moment. this is what really strikes me. you have these speeches by bernie sanders, by elizabeth warren, even if they're just calling trump's bluff, at least presuppose an element of good faith. presuppose that his election was really about helping working families and was really about economic anxiety. and meanwhile, you have people all over this country who are preparing to be ruled by a hostile minority, right? because there's a majority of the people in this country that voted for hillary clinton. their interests are going to be wholly cast aside. they are being attacked. they are coming under -- you know, they're subject to hate speech, there are no institutions representing them. hillary clinton won't be the leader of the opposition. that has to be someone new. but just the way she spoke to young woman in her concession speech, i don't think you can overstate how alarmist people are, how degraded people feel by the leadership that's about to take power.
as we march towards this catastrophe is that the constitution really was a suicide pact. and i think that she needs to -- >> reassure and speak out and say, i see people -- >> i see you, i'm with you. >> it is striking when you -- it's a striking term to say the hostile minority. you know, obviously, it was a very close election and there were over 100 million votes, i believe, cast, but hillary clinton is going to come out with a popular vote lead of about maybe as many as 2 million. >> right. and the senate as well. more people voted democratic senate candidates -- >> although, that and three dollars gets you on the subway. >> under the rules of our system, this is legitimate. but nevertheless, personally i think the fact that we've had two presidents in the last five elections lose the popular vote and win the electoral vote calls the system into question in a kind of very profound and
unprecedented way, but that aside, yes, donald trump legitimately won under the existing rules. that doesn't mean that the majority of this country that voted against him and will now see everything they care about under attack. those people need representation, they need a voice. >> they're owed a voice. we're starting to see the contours of the kind of strategy of opposition come into play. and there's been interesting back and forth, jamel bowie wrote an interesting piece on slate about this line we've seen from elizabeth warren and bernie sanders who spoke earlier today, reiterating we can be with you on the things that we have a shared interest, if it's infrastructure or protecting social security, but we'll brook no compromise on any bigotry of any kind. >> obviously i'm a political strategist and if people think that's what it will take to win
back this suckered group of voters who voted for one thing and will then get another, i'm not going to question that. what i object to about this approach is that it's not true. they're reiffying a rhetoric that is not true. he won because if people thought that he was going to take on wall street and take on the rich interests instead of taking on poor people and immigrants, then he would not have felt so cavalier about marching into the 21 club and telling a bunch of fat cats that he was going to lower their taxes. that would be considered a gaffe if everybody didn't really know on some level exactly what donald trump was about. >> yeah, that's an interesting way of putting it. i would disagree -- we're awaiting hillary clinton, if you're just joining us, who will give her first address since giving her concession. she's being introduced by the legendary civil rights activist.
has long known hillary clinton since she was just out of law school. the children's defense fund, its whole mission so to protect the most vulnerable. poor children are who they have a mandate to serve and protect. and i believe here comes -- i'm not mistaken, hillary clinton, let's listen to the introduction. >> and to say it is never going to is not going to be for naught. but she is our president for the people. thank you. hillary? [ cheers and applause ] >> oh, thank you.
thank you. thank you. oh, it is so wonderful to be here with all of you on behalf of the children's defense fund. i was listening backstage as marion went through the 45 years that we have known each other and reminded me of things that i had not recalled that this event was the very first event that my husband and i went to after he was elected president. so it's especially poignant and meaningful to me to be here again with all of you. and i want to start by congratulating the terrific young people that we are celebrating tonight. you will hear more about each of them because each has faced
painful challenges, violence, poverty, abandonment, but they never gave up. they never stopped reaching, never stopped dreaming and, yes, they have beaten the odds. they call troy the little poet who could. he's an artist on the basketball court and a flourishing writer in the classroom, and he dreams of becoming a filmmaker. bethany lived in one foster home after another, but with the help of a wonderful teacher and her own determination, she is thriving and hopes to become a doctor. so she can care for others. carlos left a difficult childhood in guatemala, made it to america all by himself. then he took a second journey making it all the way to college
where he is studying to become an engineer. janet's secret weapon is her beautiful voice and her musical talent. music has helped her overcome every obstacle that has come in her path. and survived bullying at school and found her voice producing a student television show at school and now she has set her sights on becoming a journalist. these fearless, generous, open hearted, determined young people represent a rising generation that should give us all much hope for the future. and they represent the continuing commitment of the children's defense fund and marion wright edelman. i will admit coming here tonight wasn't the easiest thing for me. there have been a few times this
past week when all i wanted to do is just to curl up with a good book or our dogs and never leave the house again. but if there's anyone who knows how to pick yourself up and get back on your feet and get to work, it is marion. [ applause ] she has been doing it all her life. and she has been helping the rest of us do it, too. i am as inspired by marion today as i was the first time i met her 45 years ago. and she told the story. i was a young law student. i had lots of hopes and expectations about what a law degree would enable me to do. i had the words of my methodist faith ringing in my ears, do all the good you can for all the people you can for as long as you can.
she was the crusading legal activist, also a graduate of yale law school, and she was translating her faith into a life devoted to children, service and social justice. observing that being part of that is one of the greatest gifts anyone has ever given me. because i often thought about marion's journey, about the stony roads she walked, the bitter rods she endured, and how she never lost her faith and kept her eyes on the prize. i think of her taking the bar exam in mississippi, the first black woman ever to do so and then opening offices for the naacp and headstart program for children who desperately needed it. i think of her with robert kennedy in a tiny shack in the delta opening his eyes to the realities of poverty in america. i think of her with dr. martin
luther king jr. starting the poor people's campaign and dreaming of an america, of equality and opportunity. you have to look at marion's life and ask how did she beat the odds when so many gave up the hopes of those early days? for marion, it has always been about children and families. that's what matters and that's what has kept her going, helping to open public schools to children with disabilities in the 1970s, an effort i was honored to be part of. working to expand medicaid in the 1980s to cover more pregnant women and more children in need. standing with me and others in the 1990s to create the children's health insurance program, improve foster care and create early headstart. fighting in recent years to build a bipartisan movement to dismantle the school-to-prison
pipeline and reform our criminal justice system especially for juveniles and spending countless hours mentoring and training the next generation of leaders and activists at haley farm. under marion's leadership, the children's defense fund works to give every child a healthy start, a headstart, a fair start, a safe start and a moral start in life. and i cannot think of a more noble or necessary mission. no matter what the setbacks, she has always believed in the words of dr. king often repeated by president obama, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. now, sometimes it can feel awfully long. believe me, i know. but i also know it does bend. it bends toward justice because
people like marion and so many of you, and there are people in this audience i have had the privilege of working with and admiring for so many decades. you refuse to stop pushing. when you get knocked down, you get back up. i often quote marion when she says that service is the rent we pay for living. well, you don't get to stop paying rent just because thins don't go your way. i know many of you are deeply disappointed about the results of the election. i am, too. more than i can ever express. but as i said last week, our campaign was never about one person or even one election. it was about the country we love and about building an america that is hopeful, inclusive and big hearted. i didn't get into public service to hold high office. [ applause ]
45 years ago, that would have seemed an absolute incredibly wrong-headed view. but i did decide to be an activist, to use my law degree to help kids. every child deserves to have the opportunity to live up to his or her god-given potential. and i believe the measure of any society is how we treat our children. and as we move forward into a new and, in many ways, uncertain future, i think that must be the test for america and for ourselves. despite the progress, and we have made progress under president obama, more than 31 million children still live at or near poverty in america. and i hoped to have had the opportunity to build on the progress that president obama
has made because i know that we are stronger together when we are lifting each other up. and let's be clear, when i talk about children in or near poverty, this isn't someone else's problem. these aren't someone else's children. this is america's problem because they are america's children. child poverty isn't just an urban challenge or a black or latino challenge, although children of color continue to suffer disproportionately from high rates of poverty. but make no mistake, there are poor children of every race and ethnicity. three out of every ten white children in america are at or near poverty. that's more than 11 million kids. and when you add in 11 million latino children, more than 6 million black children, a
million and a half asian and american indian children, nearly 2 million children of two or more races, the scope and scale of this challenge becomes clear. poor children live in every state and every congressional district. so they deserve the attention and efforts of every one of our representatives and leaders, and the measure of success must be how many children and families climb out of poverty and reach the middle class? we know what works to support kids and give them opportunities to succeed. parents need good paying jobs, affordable quality health care and child care. to have help balancing the demands of work and family. communities need investments that lift families up, not neglect that lets them fall further behind.
there are millions of children who will go to school tomorrow in classrooms with crumbling ceilings, empty book shelves and walls covered with mold. there are children in places like flint michigan drinking water poisoned by lead and children all over our country face the daily danger of gun violence. >> hillary clinton speaking in public for the first time since her concession speech last week. she talked about the work of the children's defense fund, her belief in that work, the vulnerability of children in poverty, the children in poverty across the racial line. she said something, michelle, she was disappointed by last week more than she'll ever be able to express and laughed in a way that just had a profound pathos. >> i mean, it's heartbreaking, you know. it's heartbreaking for her, for kind of the fact that she poured her life into this one goal and had it snatched away. and not just snatched away, but that she ran -- that the first
woman to make a serious run for the presidency was defeated by the most vicious misogynist to ever be nominated for the presidency. i mean, the scale of the loss, the scale of the defeat for what she believes in is incomprehensible. and what makes me so sad listening to this speech, when she talks about those series of children that she mentioned at the beginning of the speech, you know, even though that might sound like a speech writer's trope, everything we know about hillary clinton is that she really cares about those kids. >> it is like -- >> when wikileaks leaked john podesta's e-mail, what kind of sinister things did they find her doing, following up on a child bride in yemen to see if there's anything her ambassador could do for them. she's trying to help. >> it's interesting to hear her cadence and her tone and be reminded of what this sounds like and particularly against the backdrop of the public discourse in the u.s. right now that feels remarkably degraded. michelle goldberg, thanks for
shortly, i would say, some time soon. but obviously he's meeting with -- talking to heads of state and possible members of his cabinet, senior team, filling out his senior leadership team. a lot of activity going on upstairs. i know he looks forward to addressing all of you. >> donald trump has not held a press conference in over three months. his last was after the democratic convention july 27th, 112 days ago. what he has done is kept up his preferred method of communication, twitter. since he was elected, the kinds of tweets have not changed. he's spread disinformation such as the conspiracy theory that people demonstrating are professional protesters allegedly being paid by someone
to oppose him. he's continued to attack the media. one third of the tweets since election day attacked the media, wow, "the new york times" is losing thousands of subscribers because of their very poor and highly inaccurate reporting about the trump phenomenon. according to "the new york times" subscriptions have risen since the election. his tweets were a comedic triviality, now they are the pronouncements of one of the most powerful people in the world. after january 20th, the voice of the white house. sowing doubt in conspiracy theorys the and undermining the press while relying on friendly outlets to carry his message, he has in place some of the pillars we've seen anti-democratic and liberal rulers across the world use. confusion is an authoritarian tool. life under a strongman means not simply being lied to but being
i have 28 million people. 28 million people. >> so you are going to keep it up? >> it's a great form of communication. i'm not saying i love it, but it does give geth the word out. when you give me a bad story or when you give me an inaccurate story or when somebody other than you in another network or whatever because, of course, cbs would never do a thing like that, right? i have a method of fighting back. >> joining me now sam seder. i thought that quote was so telling because what is being put in place -- and this is a thing like not to chase the ball, another thing we learned from the election -- when he tweets about something it's an entirely alternate means of the bully pulpit, a huge audience on social media and state allied media properties who will act as essentially propaganda arms. >> right. >> yeah, the guy ran a site who is now in the white house ran a
site who will be there every step of the way. it's a formidable architecture that does look like less free press and something el. >> it is ripe for abuse. cbs gives me great, you know, most of the time type of thing. i think there's a problem. and the other problem is just to complete that architecture is what resource does the american public have that they look to that they trust that could actually sort of respond to any of that? i mean -- >> nothing. >> you literally wrote the book, a book on that very problem. >> right. >> that there is no entity out there for the american public at large to look to and say like, hey, what is -- how do we measure this? >> there's no arbiter and there's no trust and we've seen -- you know, we saw in some of the facebook stats and all the things we're learning about the level of information -- >> fake news overcame real news.
>> yes. >> breitbart -- >> in a very specific context, we should say. there's a lot more to that statistic. >> fair enough. but let's say it's just close. >> right. >> that's a big problem for a democracy where knowledge and information is basically so fluid as it's almost impossible to grab on to. >> i think he's doing something very tactically interesting with this going after "the new york times" because what he can do by going after "the new york times," is he can union laterally declare them the economy, ergo, they are biased. if donald trump is fighting with "the new york times," "the new york times" won't treat him fairly. it's a threat particularly when it comes from the bully pulpit of the president of the united states, it carries a threat and any of his supporters, you don't have to listen to anything from those folks. >> not like his supporters did. there's a vague precedent to this.
to is certain extent, the obama administration when they came in, they had a problem with fox news. a lot of people did. they would never go as far as this did. but there were some questions, you had the media at that time sort of rally around fox news and their legitimacy when it came to pushing them in a different part of the press corps. >> there were skirmishes about whether they'd be in the room with the white house press corps and things like that. >> this is of a different nature. this is sort of the direct appeal that twitter provides in some way. and look, i don't think it's occurred to president-elect trump yet that he is going to be president as one point. i mean, the idea that he's spending this much time focused on twitter i think is sort of a disturbing concept, frankly. >> i tweet a lot. i get a lot done. >> you don't necessarily have the same level of
responsibility. i'm not saying -- >> touche and a fair and accurate point. you know, there's also just been this -- there's the gaslighting and that's been a part of the trump campaign. you didn't see what you just saw. mike pence shaking his head at the vp debate as actual quotes were said. him tweeting other day about i never said more people should have nuclear weapons. well, you did say that. you know, that in the hands of -- the hands of the presidency to pull off this kind of gaslighting or even the agencies and cabinet positions and all the data that comes out of the government, there's a lot of misinformation that you can produce in the world if you're determined to do that as the president of the united states. >> yeah, i think we've seen precedence of that around the world. i think there's a lot to be learned. >> or here with the weapons of mass destruction which you and i have lived through and chronicled. >> now it's sophisticated. >> extremely sophisticated. >> the way they fed the information and then cited the information that they had fed and basically laundered it
through "the new york times" in many respects. i don't think there's that level of sophistication here. and frankly, i think what is important for those people who oppose donald trump in terms of his political agenda and every other fashion is to constantly be out there and questioning every single proclamation and fact checking. it may not prevent him from getting the most electoral votes in an election, but certainly i think it's important that the's me type of compass, some type of like direction north for the american public. >> we're definitely in uncharted territory right now. interesting to see how it plays out. sam seder, thank you very much. the rachel maddow show starts right now.
and part of the reason i've always liked it is because of the sort of admirable restraint that is reflected in that name. if it is about peanuts, if you think about it, it could just as reasonably been called goobergate, right? goober is an even funnier word for peanut. that could have been an even greater thing to call something goobergate. but what it actually went by at the time in all seriousness because it was supposed to be a very, very serious thing, they restrained themselves, they didn't call it goobergate. they called it peanutgate. very seriously. oh, my god, did they want it to be a big deal. >> the republicans in congress have been calling loudly for a special prosecutor to investigate the carter family's peanut busines
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