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guess who showed up at trump tower this morning? yes, mr. west. meets the president-elect, just days after leaving the hospital following a reported mental health scare. the president-elect says, of their relationship, they're good friends and they've been good friends for a long time after trump said in a tweet, very busy times for him. but he's found time for kanye. police in california investigate the shooting death of a 73-year-old man who was unarmed. we'll have the latest on the investigation there. good morning, i'm tamron hall live from our msnbc headquarters in new york, as mentioned, we
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follow a lot today including breaking news. president-elect donald trump stepping before cameras just over an hour ago not to talk about his big announcement this morning that he will nominate exxonmobil ceo rex tillerson, a controversial choice even with his own party and not about cancelling the news conference held for thursday, but with rapper kanye west. >> just friends, just friends, and he's a good man. very well. long time. been friends for a long time. life. we've discussed that. >> no comment about president-elect of the united states, nothing to say? >> i just wanted to take a picture right now. >> you take care of yourself. i'll see you soon. >> as for the decision to nominate tillerson, secretary of
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state, comes despite bipartisan concerns that tillerson has a cozy relationship with russian president vladimir putin. marco rubio releasing a statement this morning saying in part he has, quote, serious concerns about tillerson's nomination going to say the next secretary of state must be someone who views the world with moral clarity, is free of potential conflicts of interest, a clear sense of america's interests and will be a forceful advocate for america's foreign policy goals. to the president within the world stage and the president-elect defends histic in a statement that said mr. tillerson knows how to manage a global organization and successfully navigate the complex architecture of world affairs and diverse foreign leaders. as secretary of state, he will be forceful and clear advocate for america's vital national interests and help reverse years of misguided foreign policies that weaken america's security
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and asked why tillerson was picked over others including mitt romney. >> number one, it comes down to chemistry. governor romney is impressive but so are so many others. mayor giuliani, david petraeus, bob corker but at the end, it was chemistry, presence, vision, and rex tillerson had to maintain relationships across the world in many places that aren't the easiest places to have relationships with. >> president-elect trump will name energy secretary. could head the department he wanted to abolish and famously forgot back in 2011 at that presidential debate. >> i will tell you, it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education, and the,
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what's the third one there, let's see. the third agency of government i would do away with, the education, the commerce. and let's see, i can't. the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. >> it was energy. peter alexander joining us live from our dc bureau. let's start off with something we hear a lot from trump's team that former secretary of state condoleezza rice and james baker as well as former defense secretary bob gates have all suggested or recommended tillerson. what do we know about that? >> dick cheney coming out, the former vice president moments ago releasing a statement referring as a quote, inspired choice noting the fact these two, cheney and tillerson have been friends for years as tillerson was the ceo and chairman at exxonmobil and based on the personal relationships they have had as well. here's some of those statements,
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endorsements, in fact, what's a choreographed campaign on behalf of rex tillerson right now. one coming from condoleezza rice, the former secretary of state who said in part, the following, rex tillerson is an excellent choice for secretary of state. he will bring to the post remarkable and broad international experience, a deep understanding of the global economy, and a belief in america's special role in the world. the challenge for rex tillerson right now is what will happen in terms of the senate confirmation hearings going forward in advance of the announcement from a series of senators, specifically some republican senators, john mccain and lindsey graham and marco rubio who you noted a moment ago. here's what senator graham said in his statement, there are many questio questions which must be answered. i expect the u.s./russian relationship to be first in the
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process and first goes to senate foreign relations committee which is headed up by another man actually among the finalists for donald trump's secretary of state pick, the tennessee senator bob corker who said those hearings will begin in early january. the beginning of next year and what's notable if we show you what the line-up looks like in the senate foreign relations committee, 10 republicans and nine democrats. marco rubio among the republicans who sit on that committee right now. it needs to have a majority to move forward, which is to say there's sort of a one republican with margin of error and some democrats they may support him which would change things. senator jeff flake said he was impressed by some of the endorsements including those by condoleezza rice, bob gates and others. >> and peter, going back to the possibility of rick perry leading the energy department. it's interesting, this is another selection potentially who has taken a strong stance
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against the agency they would head. do we know anymore about the thinking here? >> the bottom line is there's early criticism about this. hillary clinton's own vice presidential candidate tim kaine moments ago basically tweeting, tillerson for secretary of state, what's next? a climate change denier or epa or energy? of course, scott pruitt, who's now been selected as secretary of energy is a skeptic, it's safe to say, of climate change and a similar view on this. so he was mocking the selection there. rick perry clearly has been a person that despite calling donald trump a cancer on conservatism early in the campaign ultimately came around to be a surrogate for donald trump and when we repeatedly he hear, in the eyes of one's
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effectiveness is you have the ear of the president-elect and rick perry after a good visit he is someone at least donald trump is willing to listen to. >> thank you very much. president-elect trump also making headlines this morning after abruptly postponing a news conference scheduled for thursday. it was intended to lay out how he'll address his business conflicts of interest. trump tweeting overnight even though i'm not mandated by law to do so, i'll be leaving my business before january 20th so that i can focus full-time on the presidency. and two of my children, don and eric, plus executives, will be managing them. and president-elect promising a news conference in the near future. his white house chief of staff, reince priebus, explaining the delay on "morning joe." >> first of all, one of the reasons is we're in the middle of a pretty huge announcements, as you guys have been talking about. secretary of state, other cabinet positions and also, you
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know, it's not the easiest th g thing, it takes a lot of time. and i can assure everyone on the panel that people residential just s aren't just sitting around and doing nothing. multiple meetings with a lot of lawyers and making sure that government ethics are followed and that the best decisions are being made as to who and how the business is going to be run moving forward. >> bloomberg news politics reporter kevin sarilli joining us from washington. thank you so much for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> what level of transparency are we expecting? we have not seen the president-elect's taxes because his company, he knows a lot about it. this is the second time he's made the point very clear he's not mandated by law to do any of this. this is a man in real estate who
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knows the fine print and he keeps zeroing in on that fine print. >> well, two points. the first is that there is a growing bipartisan concern on capitol hill about all of these sentiments and questions that you are raising here, particularly with how exactly donald trump once he is in the white house will deal with his business when he is governing. the second point that i would make is i put the same questions to senior transition sources and what they told me is that this delay in the press conference is not because they don't want to do anything. it's because they want to get it right. a lot of questions surrounding this. i'm told that a more formal announcement in addition to the tweets last night will come before inauguration day on january 20th. >> let's look at the timeline. here we are, monday, expecting this news conference. that's abruptly cancelled. did they not know there needed to be more work here? what's behind this abruptness
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here? >> i asked that question to the sources that i'm speaking with and what they said is that president-elect trump is relying on both inside and outside counsel in addition to don mcgan, the pick for his white house chief counsel's office and so he's relying on a ton of legal advice and quite frankly, i think that this is just taking a lot longer than they had anticipated but if you look on capitol hill, it's not just democrats pressing for more clarity on this but also republicans as well. >> i know that you reported as of note, the one thing that should be noted is the absence of ivanka, trump, and jared kushner in the mention of who will control the company. let's fast forward here. if this is not done by january 20th, some of the lawmakers that you referred to who are concerned, what can they do, again, going back to the tweet he's not legally man daylighted to do this? january 21st, what happens?
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>> i think he will do something, some formal announcement but still pressure on capitol hill but what's interesting about ivanka and jared, of course, is that that seems to signal that they will be taking a more bigger approach here in washington in the policy shop, if you will, of the trump administration and of course, with donald trump jr. and eric trump leading the efforts inside trump tower. so perhaps a signal already that the trump organization is hearing some of the criticism about potential conflicts of interest in that ivanka will not be involved with the trump organization. >> thank you so much for your time. we appreciate it. and president-elect trump will head to wisconsin later today for another thank you tour rally this that state. that turned red in the presidential election and the state completed its recount yesterday resulting in
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president-elect trump gaining 131 votes but before he heads to wisconsin, he says he has a busy day ahead of him and now meeting with the surprise of kanye west. cal perry joins us live now for the latest. normally, we get our updates from kanye west on tmz, but at trump tower. when did we know this meeting was going to take place? >> reporter: i didn't know until he was in the building and weren't convinced he was meeting with the president-elect. what i can say on the tmz front, if you want your picture taken, the elevators at trump tower is probably the best place to do it. there's nowhere to go. a dozen there and he didn't want to speak about the meeting. he just wanted to have his picture taken so there you go. now on more serious news, we expect to hear from bill gates today in a meeting from donald trump to talk about technology, a kind of technology summit we're told by the campaign and
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in the building, vice preside president-elect mike pence as well as steve bannon. more on the thank you tour and in hershey, pennsylvania, orlando florida and rounding it out on saturday in mobile, alabama and standing by as you heard peter alexander talking about for a possible announcement on secretary of energy, we understand that will be texas governor rick perry. we were told this morning by the campaign to, quote, stay tuned. >> those are all interesting details but going back to the kanye west, while it's an entertainer, said to be very busy there, you have this announcement of this controversial pick for secretary of state, still more questions about the epa, there's a cancellation or delay of this news conference and you have a president-elect who carves out a photo opportunity with kanye west, not to diminish his rap greatness, but in the list of things to do, how is the
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campaign explaining this? or not the campaign anymore, the team? >> reporter: the team was asked this morning on a conference call what was the purpose of the meeting and can we have a readout on the meeting? one of the spokespeople said they were not aware of what the substance of the meeting was. a bit of background, kanye west donated before to the democratic campaign after a concert. he surprised his fans by saying he didn't vote but if he had, he would have voted for donald trump. listen, as you said, there are so many questions not just about donald trump's conflict of interest but some of these cabinet picks. when you look at rick perry for secretary of energy, he wanted to get rid of the department of energy. he sits on the board of energy transfer partners which is behind the dakota access pipeline and you talked about the delayed press conference and certainly, this team, the president-elect's team is going to have to answer the questions of how did he find time to meet with kanye west? >> some say it's the politics of distraction and when you look right now, guess what it is?
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>> reporter: kanye west. >> kanye west. >> reporter: thank you very much. coming up, a bipartisan group from the electoral college now say they will not cast their votes until they get an intel briefing on russia's alleged interference with the u.s. election. i'll talk live to two of those individuals. and developing now, bill cosby arriving in court this morning as a judge decides what is described as the most pivotal issue in his upcoming trial. several of cosby's past accusers can confront him face to face. there is no typical day. there is nothing typical about making movies. i'm victoria alonso and i'm an executive producer... marvel studios. we are very much hands-on producers. if my office... ...becomes a plane or an airport the surface pro's perfect. fast and portable but also light. you don't do this 14 hours a day, 7 days a week for... ...decades if you don't feel it in your heart. listen, i know my super power is to not ever sleep. that's it.
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now a total of 29 electors who signed the letter to national intelligence director james clapper asking for a briefing before they meet to vote on monday. john podesta said in a statement we now know that the cia determined russia's interference in our elections. the president of rhode island electoral democrat clay pelle and christopher. it doesn't seem likely that this intel or this information will be provided by monday. so what happens if it's not? >> reporter: we have to make our best guess that we can based on reporting that's happening from the "washington post," yourself, and other open source news agencies but i'm not going to give up hope. i still want to get facts. >> what facts do you need at
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this point? >> i'm just interested in finding out what they have to make a determination. i'm not sure i agree with mr. podesta about his assessment and that's the point about fact-based information but it would be helpful for other electoral college members to have as much information as possible going into the vote on monday. >> but clay, much of this is classified information. you have a number of intelligence agencies, you have officials who have been privy to the information all coming to the same conclusion that there was interference on the part of the russians. now whether or not it was designed to get donald trump elected, that is still unclear but what's clear by the assessment we've been provided is that there was interference. what more do you need or do you feel you can be provided? >> what we know is that there has been an unprecedented intervention by a hostile foreign power. we don't know what is there. what we do think is the facts
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should be put out there and the absence of fact, people make up their own facts. the intelligence community has obviously made a great deal of investigation into this. so facts are available but we're asking as electors of federal officials given the chance to understand those facts. >> let me play what congressman adam shiff said on "meet the press" on sunday about this issue. >> there was really nothing preventing the administration on its own from being even more declaratory in what the intelligence showed and i'm urging the administration to be more forthcoming with the public. i think they should and work with european allies to sanction russia. >> do you think that decision to not come out and definitively before the election was a mistake by president obama? >> i do think it was a mistake. >> do you think it was a mistake on the administration's part? >> i'm not president. i'm a presidential elector. i'm not sure what the administration was looking at but i know there's a report that
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raises a number of questions. i don't want to prejudge and don't know what president obama was looking at when he made his determination. my biggest disappointment is when the report came out in the "washington post," mr. trump's first reaction was to defend russia rather than support his own fact-based intelligence agency, the cia. >> at this point, you're absolutely certain so why do you need more information, i guess, i'm confused. if you're so certain. >> i'm confident in the reporting but i want to know how they came to the conclusion. let's confirm the information, understand how they developed that but if you're understanding me to make a choice to defend our cia or defend russia, it's an easy call and i'll go with the cia every day. >> the letter said you could vote contrary to the votes of your constituencies and that you'd be protected here.
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what is the procedure then? >> well, my plan is to vote with the popular vote for the country. but the ultimate point here is that there's information that can be made available to us, to the american people, and this election was apaling in so many different ways. it's up to us, up to all americans to stand up where we can and to demand the information that should be available to people. >> the last question, since the letter was released and made public, have you seen more support from other electors? >> not ready to discuss other republican electors at this point. we've got just under a week until the vote, those negotiations and discussions are somewhat fragile and tenuous and i'll let electors do so without characterizing our discussions, whether it's about intelligence, violations of the emollients clause. >> appreciate you guys coming on. prosecutors in the federal
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death penalty trial against charleston shooter dylann roof are shown a video of dylann roof allegedly buying the gun used in the murders. we'll have the very latest from court today. plus, the private medical information of nearly 34,000 patients exposed after a major lab company reveals it was hacked. one of the stories we're updated around the news nation.
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mariana atencio joins us now from outside the courthouse in charleston, south carolina. mariana, what's the headline today so far? >> reporter: tamron, this morning, we learned that the defense subpoenaed to talk on behalf of dylann roof, to block all the witnesses arguing they are not proper for this phase of the trial, the guilt phase. however, it's unexpected because as you and i have been discussing for the past week and a half, the defense said early on they didn't expect to have any witnesses and barely cross examined any of the prosecution. the jury this morning seeing a parade from the prosecution side connecting the dots. the photos of the receipts showing the journal, the confederate flag, ammunition. they heard from the fingerprint
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expert, a gps expert and that breadcrumb that leads to the shooting and in court this morning, wearing a brown shirt, still looking for appearing to side as court got under way this morning. the last prosecution witness will be paulie shepherd, the 71-year-old sur advisvivor of t shooting who spared to tell what happened last night. prosecution hoping her emotional testimony will be that lasting impression. the jurors are left with. >> outside of the courthouse in charleston, south carolina, thank you so much. and developing now, 28 million americans are facing some dangerously cold weather and in many places, temperatures are expected to drop throughout the day. we're live with the very latest. also ahead. i'm confident that in the end, justice will prevail. former congressman aaron schock pleads not guilty in his corruption case. the allegations include he spent
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tracking some dangerously cold temperatures that could affect nearly 30 million people. not one but two arctic blasts will sweep through the northern parts of the nation from now through the weekend and right now, the midwest is suffering through the first round with windchills in the teens and even below zero already today. at least six states in the region are dealing with more than a foot of snow. nbc's ron mott is in chicago where people were stuck this weekend after that snowstorm rolled through. >> reporter: good morning. the sun has come out. so things are looking up. as the temperatures are going down. we've been here since 5:00 local time. it's fallen 6 degrees. it's as warm as it will be today. by the end of the day, we expect the temperature to be around 5 degrees before we head into
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tomorrow and that's when things are going to get really cold. we've got that super cold air coming in. wednesday night into thursday and thursday night into friday, going to be below zero here in chicago with some very dangerous windchills, tamron. we're talking 10 below or maybe 15 below here in chicagoland. so things are going to be very brutal. you know, having lived here and worked here, it can be rough this time of year and very different the start of this season compared to last year. last year was very mild. this year, not so much. we'll have a real winter it looks like here in chicago and winter has not even begun. it doesn't start until next wednesday on the 21st but look at this graphic. first 12 days of september, 9 days below normal temperatures. many are used to cold up there and six days with below temperatures. three days in december with temperatures below normal and only going to get colder. we anticipate being below zero for a good 36 hours in chicago.
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we're going to get a high temperature about 17 tomorrow and then only climb to about 3 degrees for a high on thursday. that's going to be very nasty and then we've got the snow. there's a system that's out in the pacific northwest getting organized and going to dump some snow. 13, 14 staltes to get some of te snow and because we're going to be below zero, tamron, the snow that falls here is going to stick around for a while because the ground should be really cold by then and hold the moisture there and going to be kind of a hard packed snow that's hard to get off the streets. the word has gone out to folks around here. especially, the homeless. get inside to shelters, don't want to be out in these elements and probably through the weekend before we start seeing a little bit of a warm-up approaching freezing maybe just below freezing. that's going to feel great compared to the next couple of days. >> so interesting. this shop behind you is absolutely stunning. if you were not in a coat, we would not know how cold it is. it's just a beautiful clear day, but certainly to your point, a lot of people don't have
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somewhere to go and getting the warning out it's dangerously cold. thank you so much. let's check in with msnbc meteorologist bill karins. bill was saying look at how clear that shot is behind us. >> when it's sunny, it feels decent but when the sun goes down, like heat waves and cold outbreaks make for bad tv because still can be dangerous and deadly, but don't make for great pictures. hard to see what's going on. so we show you with all the temperatures here in the southern half of the country. just trying to figure out how these people live in international falls. like negative 24 for like 4 or 5 days in a row now and now replaced it. we were looking at areas of da co-teas and now the cold shifted. minneapolis is the coldest state and now some of the bleeding into areas of wisconsin and chicago, where ron was, the windchill is zero right now. detroit is at 11. this morning, down to 2. let's pinpoint where the peak is
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going to be. minneapolis, you have a negative 26 on thursday. big warm-up, right? negative 10 on friday. green bay, your negative 24 on thursday and do improve by saturday. so it's about a 2 to 3 day outbreak and slowly improves. chicago, negative 18 windchills thursday morning at 6:00 a.m. that's horrendous and by the time we get to thursday and friday, all the cold air shifts to the east. the peak of the cold and this is very unusual, some of the coldest air on the entire planet will be located over the state of maine. that's colder than psiberia and that's where you get into the dangerous and even deadly category. with people stranded in their cars or any long period of exposure, dangerous stuff. and the snow i mentioned too. a little bit of light snow across areas of indiana and that eventually will make its way up here into western new york but a significant snowstorm, going
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cross country in the days ahead. >> thank you very much. we learn new details about the deadly police shooting of an unarmed 73-year-old man in california. his family members say he had dementia. the latest on that investigation. actually, we have around the news nation up next. and francisco was shot by bakersfield police early yesterday while walking in his neighborhood, police say they received a call just after midnight about a man brandishing a gun and officer shot serna after he did not respond to the request to comply. serna's son claimed that police shot his father nine times and the man said he was showing early signs of dementia and took late night walks when he couldn't sleep. they are asking the public to attend a vigil tonight at the scene of the shooting. a plane headed from texas to germany had to divert to new york last night after getting a
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bomb threat midair. senior law enforcement official said the threat was phoned in to lufthansa and the pilot landed at jfk, as per standard procedure. 530 people taken off the plane and once it got to a remote part of the airport, the plane was searched by nothing suspicious found and the largest clinical lab company in the country is investigating a hack that exposed the health information of about 34,000 patients. quest diagnostics said a third party got into an online app and obtained names, birthdays, results and the hackers did not get credit card numbers, insurance information or social security numbers. former illinois congressman aaron schock pleading not guilty to federal fraud charges and made the plea in court facing 24 counts of corruption accused of using his committees to pay for a lavish lifestyle. investigated after "the washington post" reported on an
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elaborate redesign of his dc office apparently to look like the tv show "downton abbey." he never intentionally did anything wrong and any errors honest mistakes. schock said he looks forward to the facts coming out. >> i have full confidence in my legal team, full confidence in the good people of this community and confident in the end, justice will prevail. >> his trial is scheduled to begin in february. coming up, a new battle is developing over who will be the next dnc chair while the nbc political team said this will be a fight between obama and clinton world. also, factor in bernie sanders world. we'll sort what that means in the daily briefing in politics.
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back with our daily briefing on politics. another political fight is emerging over who will run the dnc. labor secretary thomas perez
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said he intends to challenge the front-runner keith ellison. "the new york times" saying mr. perez's entry into the race could start a proxy ballot from those who are with president obama and those with bernie sanders. editor mark murray. before we get to that, e! news is reporting, ready, kanye west and president-elect trump met and apparently they were discussing a potential role for the rapper. >> well, tamron, i thought i was going to try to avoid talking about kanye west this morning with everything else that's out there. >> he met with the president-elect. we could try to ignore it, but everybody doesn't get to go to trump tower. that's a fact. >> i agree with you. it is news. we had the pictures to prove it. that said, i do think other pieces of news whether it's rex tillerson, this dnc fight or to me, what's on the top of mine. >> i could not agree more and
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say that until kanye west has a position we'll discussi, so the other stuff we know now. >> the dnc fight, the next person's job like democrats across the country not engaging in these ideological fights but as you mentioned, there is a bit of a proxy fight. tom perez comes from the obama/clinton world of things and keith ellison, the democratic congressman from minnesota is more from the bernie sanders world and i think that proxy fight will be part of the background in this dnc chair race but it should be noted both men are progressives. they both are pretty much agreed on all the issues. i think the big question going forward is what kind of party should the democratic party end up being? and we'll see that playing out in the weeks ahead. >> honestly, mark, we've been seeing that play out. it doesn't appear unless you could guide us through more information that the party is any closer to determining that.
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>> it really isn't, tamron, and to me, what president obama was able to signify and even howard dean when you ended up getting in the 2005, 2006, when he took over the dnc back then, it was, you know, the democratic party should be a big tent party. we should have policies that progressives from vermont should embrace to democratic candidates in north carolina but i see this kind of clinton/obama versus bernie sanders debate we saw play out during the primary season does go to pragmatism versus the kind of a more ideological commitment and i think that at the margins we're going to see that play out in this thom perez versus keith ellison fight. >> speaking of commitment here, you have some in the party who feel the dnc chair is a full-time job, should not be a split job for the individual who emerges. >> keith ellison said if he ends up being dnc chair, he will resign his congressional seat. i think you kind of throw that
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out and again, to me, the biggest issues are going to be this clinton vs. bernie sanders divide but also a sticking point for keith ellison, more than being a full-time dnc chair is really going to be some of the statements that he made about israel and that people have latched on to and whether or not there will be democrats and remember, the democrats who are the national committee people who would be voting, whether they find that acceptable or not. >> mark, i was going to troll you one more time with kanye west, but -- >> mercy. >> it's the demon in my head saying do it, but i'll go with the angel. next time, but i'll send you a kanye play list. developing now, another story, the judge of the bill cosby case whether the accusers will be allowed to confront him and the upcoming trial after a short break. [ crowd noise ] whoa.
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developing now, bill cosby is in a pennsylvania courtroom this morning for a pivotal hearing that could shape his upcoming trial. in the case, cosby, of course is charged with drugging and sexually assaulting andrea con stad in 2004. the judge will decide whether or not 13 other women will be allowed to testify to establish a pattern of behavior. the constand case is the only criminal case facing cosby out of dozens on of kaelgss of sexual assault and even rape, all of this he denies. nbc's chief legal correspondent, ari melber, is here. so ari, why is this so critical to this case moving forward against him. >> what the judge is hearing today is the most important thing we expect to happen in the run-up to this criminal trial of bill cosby. and that's because, as you mentioned, it will determine whether it's a he said/she said trial. whether it's his words against one female accuser, which we know sometimes can be difficult for jurors to convict on, or
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whether they take the somewhat unusual step of adding in other accusers. the reason that's unusual is we'll put it up on the screen, pennsylvania, like many states, has a rule that basically says, you can't introduce evidence of prior bad acts, unless it goes to prove a purpose, like motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, or plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake or lack of accident. that's a lot of legal words for the idea that you have to say more than just, he did bad things. those bad things have to fit a pattern, tamron. >> and how does the cosby team fight this? or what is they argument as to why these women should not be allowed to testify? >> their argument is the jury is only being asked to decide one thing. what happened between these two people allegedly in 2004. and that it is prejudicial to their client to bring in a parade of other people whose claims will not ultimately be addressed or adjudicated. i'll show you cases that go both ways on this. it is so important. one case in 2015, an appeals court did allow evidence of prior bad acts, because it
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showed an accused rapist specifically preyed on women when he knew they were in a weakened or compromised state. that involved some really ugly allegations of a rapist who preyed on a woman after she had a blood transfusion, was weakened, and basically, the judges said that while we don't usually allow this other evidence, here it goes to your method, your pattern. the only other case i'll show you goes a little bit of different direction. commonwealth v. mason, a judge allowed an incident of that a defendant preyed on his two teenage nieced, but refused to admit accusations that he also preyed on a older forest sister. look, we can all agree that if true, preying on this other person is a terrible crime. what they're going to say is that judge didn't allow that kind of evidence in, because it wasn't the issue the jury was supposed to decide. and i can tell you, as you know, in sex crimes cases, these are big battles, because we also see women accusers consistently denigrated and impugned when they come forward.
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so a lot of controversy here. this judge will have to decide whether other women, up to 13, could testify against bill cosby. >> and this could not only affect the cosby case, uh but or cases in the future. >> sure. what time is it? it's go time. come on. let's go, let's go, let's go. woooo hoooo!! yeah!! i feel like i went to bed an hour ago. i'll make the cocoa. get a great offer on the car of your grown-up dreams at the mercedes-benz winter event. it's the look on their faces that make it all worthwhile. thank you santa!!! now lease the 2017 c300 for $389 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer.
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welcome back. we're following developments right now from trump tower, where the president-elect's national diversity council is holding a meeting, we're told. among those arriving, cleveland pastor darryl scott, who spoke at the republican national convention. jim brown, who supported hillary clinton, and in talking to msnbc's ali vatelli, pastor scott referred to the promises that trump made to the african-american community during the campaign. you saw jim brown there. we're also being told the president-elect could potentially speak here very soon. we'll keep an eye on that. thank you so much for watching this hour of msnbc live. i'm tamron hall. we'll see you at 11:00 eastern time tomorrow. let me turn things over to my colleague, andrea mitchell. >> thank you, tamron hall. and right now on "andrea
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mitchell reports," the dealmaker. the president-elect topping the country's biggest oil maker to be the top diplomat. but it's rex tillerson's close ties to vladimir putin that could set up a bruising confirmation fight. >> i know russia very well. the workforce is suburb. they're well educated. they want to learn, they're motivated. plugged in, former texas governor rick perry now slotted for energy secretary. to run the agency he famously forgot he wanted to scrap. >> commerce, education and the, um, uh, what's the third one there? let's see. come on -- i can't, the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. >> truth and consequences. president obama weighing in on his successor's open contempt for the value of cia daily briefings. >> the truth of the matter is, it's a big, complicated world. it doesn't matter how smart you
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are. you have to have the best information possible to make the best decisions possible. if you're not getting their perspective, their detailed perspective, then you are flying blind. and good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. president-elect donald trump today making what we first reported here on saturday. he's making it fish today. nominating exxon ceo, rex tillerson, to head the state department. setting up what could be one of the most highly anticipated confirmation fights of a generation. fueled in part by bipartisan concerns over mr. tillerson's ties to vladimir putin, the russian leader denounced as an aggressor by house speaker paul ryan, a thug by mitt romney, and a butcher by senator john mccain. joining me now exclusively to discuss the tillerson pick and a


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