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er, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. if you're still just managing your symptoms, talk with your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. breaking news out of charleston, south carolina. we'll continue to monitor this as the jury was in deliberations beginning at 1:00 p.m. we'll bring you the news as it happens there. thank you for your time. don't go anywhere, the best of the best is coming up next. chris jansing is picking things
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up. >> thank you thomas roberts. good evening, i am pick things up for kate snow. direct access with information telling nbc news vladimir putin became personally involved in the covert campaign. trump's team is expressing doubts. the latest of our exclusive investigation. alarming new details of this afternoon and what is the largest date breach in u.s. history. cyber breach of yahoo in 2013 may have exposed -- in syria. a city absolutely decimated by war. buses and balanambulances are lg as we speak, carrying the wounded away. >> now, we just heard from
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secretary of state john kerry who called the attack on aleppo continued and relent less and unexcusable. my colleague, hans nicolls is joining me. it is clear he thinks it is nothing short of a massacre. very strong words from the secretary and unlikely to have any effect on the ground. chris, here is what they are preparing for at the pentagon. the russian and regime forces are moving north. importantly, you have u.s. special forces embedded in
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there. because they lost equipment there to isis that potentially could include surface to air missiles and now potentially in the hands of isis and watch the next 48 hours without any movement or air strikes from u.s. forces taking out those service air missiles before they take any plans. >> vladimir putin became personally involved in the covert effort to interfere in america's race. two senior officials telling nbc news that -- how it was leaked. the cia has said that the russian government wanted to help elect donald trump.
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all of this reporting, courtesy of my colleague and our intelligent and national reporter and cynthia mcfadden, i want to talk about the trump's team. lets talk of this high level of confidence. how does the u.s. know that putin was behind this. >> we don't know. people are risking their lives providing information of u.s. intelligence. we know that high confidence they are about as sure as they can be and we are told that some of the information comes from human sources and diplomatic sources. >> we know that people on both sides of the isle have gotten these intelligence briefings and they understand all of this and what do we know about trump himself and the key members of his team, have they been briefed? they have been specific of leading and all of this been talking about an attempt.
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>> donald trump himself has said he did not believe russia was behind the hack. we have not confirmed he or mike flynn have been briefed on the intelligence. last night, we had an interesting interview that he did not dispute the idea that russia was behind the hack. it seems to be a little moving in trump's war. he was criticizing the obama administration saying why didn't they act sooner. in key of all this reporting is the response from capitol hill. i want to replace cynthia mcfadden ee's explanation of wh was uncovered. >> nbc news has learned that putin was involved in the campaign to under mind the u.s. el election.
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one high level officials say putin's role was to direct how the hack materials from democrats was used. his objectives multi future cmu. >> we do have serious concerns of the conduct of the election. trying to hurt presidential chances morphed into an effort of politics and splitting up key allies and hoping to prove the u.s. is not a credible local leader. >> this stunning revelation comes after the cia's recent assessment that the russian government wanted to elect donald trump. a view that other intelligence agencies don't endorse and neither does the president
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elect. >> there is great confusion and nobody knows. trump calls the cia assessment ridiculous. >> they have no idea. it could be somebody sit ting i a bed some place. >> the russians seem to agree and telling nbc's richard engel that russia has gone beyond the reasons. >> the mountain of questions is will president obama respond before he leaves office? >> now, the kremlin is calling these reports laughable nonsense and turning the table. joining me now from moscow is richard engel. lets expand on the reaction a little bit. how are they categorizing these reports. officials have been incredibly dismissive. they say it is laughable and silly and nonsensical. the russian people based on people that i have been speaking to and the reactions that you
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have been seeing in the media are not taking them seriously. but, some russian investigative journalists and analysts think it is plausible. they know that russia had an active cyber war care capabilities that's active in hacking in objectives and criminal object tiiveobjectives. and not just in russia but in this soviet space and sometimes lending their behavior of their forgives for the service of the nation. the kremlin is denying it and many people here in this country also dismissing it. some expert in the country are saying it is possible. mouse cow, richard engel, thank
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you very much. the trump's team is quick to dismiss the allegations as he was reporting about russia. others fully accepted that including senator lyndsey graham recognizing this. most of the information that was released was unfavorable to clint and non and not trump. i don't know what their motives are. do you agree of what you just heard from lyndsey graham? i think senator graham deserved a lot of credits as he's recognizing the facts as they are. all of us despite whether republicans or democrats need to
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recognize that in the next election cycle, this could be aimed at us. this is about a foreign power, a hostile foreign power having their thumb on the scales of american elections. they wanted to show a how bad democracy can be and i am quoting here, "to split off key american allies by creating an image that other countries can depend on the u.s.," do you believer of this that putin accomplished any of those things? >> what's clear is the russis have a phd in this information. you can oftentimes tell what is true by just taking the condition of what's coming out of the press shop. i think we need to be concerned
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about this. i think we need a commission that is independent to look into it and to learn the lessons that making sure in two or four years, we are not going through all of this all over again. >> should the u.s. retaliate against russia and vladimir putin directly? >> i think there should be consequences, absolutely? >> what are the options. i don't want to discuss those publicly. there are a number of options that would allow us to hold russia accountable. it is very clear that russia is a country that only respects a response. i think in this case, we need to keep all the options on the table and make sure that there will be consequences when these kinds of hostile actions are taken. >> do you think it will have support in the country if that decision is made to do it. there is this new fox news poll out shows americans having
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little little effects and 60% believe it did not make a difference. what's your thought on that? >> i think we need to take this seriously and probably never know of what made the difference, obviously very close election. we should be viewing this more broadly and not so much through the lens of this particular election but of the hostility towards american democracy itself. we should never allow for any foreign government to put their thumb on the american election system and try to influence it. we should not accept it when it is a nation as hostile to democracy itself and to american interests as russia is. >> so in the last few seconds, i want to ask you what you think should happen next. why do you think it is important that some of this is known to the american people and what difference do you think it will
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make? >> if you don't declassify some of this information, it allows people to live in a free world. we need to accept what the facts are and respond to them as they are and that's why i have called on congress tomplement a bipartisan commission and a commission that's independent, something like what we did after 9/11 so we can learn the lessons and make sure we don't go through this again in two years and again in 2020. >> thank you very much, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, we'll have more on the russian hacks. should we embrace ourselves for another breach and is there any way at all that we can prepare? about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away
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again our top stories of senior officials with direct information telling nbc news that they have a high level of confidence that vladimir putin is involved in the u.s. election. a former assistant to homeland security, it is good to see you frank. >> thanks. >> do we know how good russia is, lets start at the baseline? >> starting from the basics, russia is very sophisticated cyber actor and they are saavy. when you look at the top of the list is china and allies of uk,
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no doubt they are at the top of the list of cyber hacking. >> to me, on one hand you have this huge hack of yahoo and i am watching the president-elect trump sitting around the table and people who had the companies of the greatest minds in cyber space, everything from facebook to apple and microsoft and alphabet which is the parent company of google. you see them there and you think why cannot we stop this? don't we have the greatest minds out there? >> i think we do. the relate is there is a lot more we can do. right now the ability to network far as paste the ability to protect the note woetwork. the initiative continues to remain with the attack. we are highly vulnerable and as we start moving to the future, the internet things, we are going to have exponential growth and activities and attack
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service and opportunities to attack us. we also know that they are good at hiding behind proxies. how good are we identifying and finding out who's behind it after the fact. attributions is still a work in progress and knowing who's behind it. it is still a difficult task guarantee with 100% certainty. we got other intelligence that we can gleam whether it is human intelligence or signal intelligence or you name it. if we. >> reporter: on-- if we are onl looking at the cyber straw, we are never going to get it to of 100 certainty. they're going to use proxies to do their bidding which is
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concealed of the original actor and sbenintent. we are making progress and we are not where we need to be at this stage. i promise you that the u.s. intelligence community comes out with attribution, they are it through other sources as well. >> homeland security at gw, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> ambulances and buses carrying aleppo civilians are leaving the neighborhood and marking the first step of the evacuation that's coming in of the wake up of the over night cease-fire, we'll get a report from the syrian city right after the break. [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything,
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lets go to mariana atencio. right before they came back where that he aey asked to see confession video again. >> reporter: that's right, dylann roof said i think i killed four or five and that speaks to a strategy by dylann roof's defense where they tried to argue that he had a problem with perception. but, as you already said and after a two-hour deliberation period, the jury has come back with a verdict. it is unanimous decision, he's been found guilty of 18 of the 33 counts related to the shooting at mother emanuel church on june 17th, 2015. we are waiting to hear about the rest of the counts. i am going to give you that as it starts to come in right now.
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counts one through nine, hate crimes associated with resulting in death because of a person's skin color or race. count 10 through 12. hate crimes involving in an attempt to kill because of a person's skin color and race. the rest of the counts associated of the obstruction of religious exercise as well as the use of a dangerous weapon. he's been found guilty on 20 of the 33 counts at this point. we are waiting to know for sure on the 33 counts of this point, chris, but you know the historical and emotional implications of this verdict not lost on anyone here in south carolina. that courtroom where dylann roof have been found guilty is the same courtroom, chris, where the case to desegregate south carolina school was heard. dylann roof if he gets the death
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penalty, he will be the first person in america to get the ultimate punishment for a hate crime in federal court. this is ground breaking in a state like south carolina that does not have its own hate crime laws. so i just want to recap and we are still waiting to hear on 33 counts and the latest that we know from inside the courtroom. dylann roof has been found guilty on 20 of 33 counts associated with the shooting of mother emanuel church. >> i know you will get back to us as they continue to read through those counts. 33 charges in all. let me bring in bill leno, an attorney for south carolina. only of two hours of deliberations, does that surprise you at all? >> no, not at all. there are two phases, the first phase is two and the second
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phase is why. the defense agreed that they had the right person and their clooint w client was the person that committed this crime. the real flight is why. >> tell us what happens now. we know that on 20 of these 33 federal charges, he's been found guilty. i think it would not surprise no one if it was 33 for 33. you were the prosecutor when all of this started and you have since retired. give us a sense of what happens next in this time line? >> well, i have not retired. i still have to work. what will happen next is sometimes i believe is the first part of january, the jurors will be brought back in and they'll begin to hear testimonies about impact evidence and evidence of why this crime is -- i mean in
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addition to the fact and the horrible facts that you heard. the defense will be given an opportunity to present evidence to help to mitigate the horrific crime that's taken place. >> give us a sense of the decision making process when the federal prosecutors decided that they were going to go for the death penalties because his attorneys dylann roof offered one of the plea deals to spare him the death penalty. we are willing to do that in exchange for life in prison, during that deliberation process, who was consulted and why was that decision made and why are we at the point right now? >> that was the decision that a lot of people had a lot of input in them and it was a deliberate decision. i got the opportunity to to take part in and provide a unique
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perspective on this issue. at the end of the day, someone who admire very much, general loretta lynch made the ultimate decision that the united states of america going forward of this case as a capital case. >> were the families at that point -- if you will stay with us, i want to go back to mariana, what do you have for us? >> sure. >> reporter: we are still waiting for more of those counts. i can tell you that we may be hearing from two of t survivors, polly shepard and sanders. they are about to give a press conference here. it is hard to calculate the emotional tolls on these families. we are getting the updated numbers. 28 of the 33 counts, dylann roof have been found guilty of 28 of the 33 counts. as i was saying, living through this with these families for the
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past week of what they had to go through during this process, incredibly, emotional and emotional taxing for many of these folks. we hear the two survivors who opened and closed the prosecution's case. we'll let you know. 28 of the 33 counts has been a unanimous decision. >> 28 guilty, it is not the other five that are not guilty, they just have not announced all 33? >> reporter: they have not announce the other counts. the judge is reading this out loud in the courtroom right now. the most important count as i mentioned, counts 1 through 9 of hate crime resulting in deaths of a person color and 10 through 1 is ha
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12 the intent to kill. the hate crime aspect of this case that was put on trial today and dylann roof will of course, have to face the murder charges in the stage trial now come up after the sentencing phase of this trial here that will begin the holiday and last we heard, dylann roof will be representing himself in the sentencing phase of the trial. that will put him in a position where he will be able to question survivors and question victims family members on the stand as to the impact this massacre had on their lives. the eyes of south carolina and the country really will be on this trial for many weeks to come. chris. >> thank you mariana. stay with us, i want to bring in karen desoto. i cannot even fathom the idea of this young man.
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i was in charleston of the night that this happened and i happened to stay at the hotel. i was there the first time dylann roof went to court. it is almost unfathomable to think this young man in the courtroom questioning people. what do you think is going to happen next here. in my death penalty cases where you want to do the testimony and during the penalty phase, it is not so much they're going to question but they want to keep certain information out that they don't want people to know. we have a lot of questions, as whether they are going to be playing the angle, that's going to be excruciating. >> ari melber, our legal analyst
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is with us as well. ari, what's your take of what happened today and what you see next? >> well, much of this is straightforward as some of the other reporters have mentioned base dylann roof confessed, there was not any great question to that. having said that, the other big headline here, where this is the indication of the government's case and the way they pursue this trial and we can say and put on the screen those counts where people understand what this phase of the trial is about. these crimes relating to racial hate crimes which included deaths in this case and murders and racial hate crimes regarding the intent of killing and the later counts of some of which we already know of getting guilty verdicts back. we have race and religion who makes sense knowing this is a black church targeting. as we are waiting now, we are
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talking about those final few charges that relate to the use of firearms or attempted killing or killing. it looks thus far of what we have is a vindication of the government's case. a jury may find that dylann roof did all these things but not returned every count on what we are seeing so far of every count we heard from and waiting on those last few regarding firearms. >> none of it is going to make a difference on what's going to happen going forward obviously. all counts guilty and we just got that from our producers there. all 33 counts. if i can go back and a little further and talking about the indication of e government's case, do you think this has broader implications as we look at the whole picture of the potential of prosecuting hate
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crimes going forward? >> well, yeah, i mean, the government wanted to show they had a commitment to civil rights. it does. it shows they have a commitment to it in terms of indication. the reality of it is the charges were not contested by the defendant. i think it shows and in bringing the charges, it shows a commitment and you know, it helps in the arena. >> we have a whole new administration coming in. we'll have a new department of justice and attorney general and that conversation is one that we'll have in the hours and days going forward. karen, if i can go back to you, here is a young man who his lawyer tried to present as this troubled loner and as someone who was influenced by what we
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saw online. is there anything you see given the confession and given the eye witness testimony and we may hear from policy shepard. she was the one person there when she was praying in the basement of mother emanuel, roof told her to shut up and he spared her because he wanted someone to be alive to tell that story, what do you do to defend this? >> during the penalty phase, what your attorney is trying to save somebody's life, it is a different type of defense strategy. there is going to be focus on the mitigating circumstances of his mental capacity. it is really hard. the same confession that was used to convict him. you were now going to present this obviously was not an ideology or you are going to argue which is difficult in this case. nobody wants to believe that this is an ideology and sometimes jurors would rather
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believe that this is an evil and horrific thing and not correlated to mental illness and not correlated to ideology, i think the defense had a steep hill and they're going to try to come up with many factors that were used in the case and if he's doing the questioning himself, i think this is going to be a more difficult because i think for himself nobody wants to bring about facts that's going to embarrass or humiliate themselves. prosecutors are going to have an easy job here. ari, i wonder your thoughts on this whole idea that we remember for a while he was on the run when they found him inside his car. there were papers with the names of other black churches of african-american festivals that was coming up. he said in the confession video that he's a white supremasis.
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where do you find of this? >> the issue that we are discussing is not one mr. roof has been thus far legally strategic bringing forward. nobody is recommended to be their own attorney. that's sort of an iron rule of the law. certainly, this is an individual who should not be his own attorney for a variety of reasons and his own ability to do so. what legally comes next in that january part where the real fight is over and the punishment of the breaking news today that he's guilty on all 33 counts, the punish question is one "sympathy" and in genders we have been responding and under any circumstances based on what he had confessed and we can now report and as decided he's guilty of these hate crimes and attempted killing and killing. that's a lot. >> we'll be looking at the possibility that some jurors, i
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am not sure he had enough in his right mind of the killing of the state. he should rot away, i don't think it is a legal matter that we'll see a lot out of him based on what we have seen this far that's going to engender of the type of sympathy that we need to clear that bar. >> i think the one thing that i will say and i don't think it necessarily goes in any way to mitigate circumstances but it is worth to remind people that many of the family members who come in essentially face to face with dylann roof and the days after he was arrested inside that courtroom stood there and offered forgiveness in the most profound and witnessed christian belief that most of us have seen or ever will see, it was really one of the most extraordinary moments, charleston, obviously, and the entire country wracked
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by what had happened inside a bible study group and a young man would walk in there and in cold blood just murdered people in that way. i want go back to mariana who's on there atencio for us. go through all 33 counts guilty, mariana and tell us what he's been found guilty of. >> reporter: 33 federal counts associated with the shooting of mother emanuel church. counts 1 through 9, hate crime results in death because of skin color and counts 10-12 because of a person race or skin color. counts 13 through 21, obstruction of exercise of religion resulting in death and counts 22 to 24 of obstruction
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of religion involving of an attempt to kill and the final one is use of firearm committing to murder to a crime of violence. that's why you have prosecutors bringing up that list of yellow paper found in dylann roof's car where he had the names and addresses of other black churches in charleston and mother emanuel church at the top. they needed to prove that roof's intended to do this was baseon hate. the defense is trying to argue that this was more about hate. the meticulous planning and the thousands of photographs, the fact that this is a person that had nothing else in life. we had a car with dirty laundry and was planning to shoot himself after this massacre, just speak to a person who was isolated and who was obsessed.
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he didn't know how many people he had killed. also, i want to mention to you happening in the courtroom, the judge is giving the jury instruction of the next phase of the trial, the sentencing phase where they'll determine if he will get the death penalty or not. it is the same jury that'll deliberate and the next phase of the trial. it is a jury compromised mostly of white women, chris. eight of the twelve jurors are white women at this point. i also think it is so important of what you mentioned. you were here when this massacre happe happens, looking at the courtroom and for a weeks now. i have spoken several times to the father of sanders.
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he was the 26-year-old -- everyday he told me he got home and cried. some of the images had been shown and testimonies had been too much to bear for him. he tells me the same thing. the fact that dylann roof shows or have shown no emotions during this trial, he's been absent expression less is the thing that affected him the most. it is so frustrating and heartbreaking of the fact that he does not seem to care. that's the dylann roof that we have seen of this week's trail. the dylann roof of the opposite of what we saw in the confession video. the dylann roof that went on two hours animated with his hands and explaining his views on race and why he committed this horrific massacre. chris.
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thank you, i want to thank ari and bill as well. it is possible that these family members may come on camera. dylann roof found guilty on all 33 charges against him. hate crime and now he faces the death penalty. we'll be right back. asmy family tree,ing i discovered a woman named marianne gaspard... it was her french name. then she came to louisiana as a slave. i became curious where in africa she was from.
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a horrific act of hatred and a jury in south carolina has affirmed guilty of all 33 counts. we are waiting to see if family members and some of the legal team will come out and speak echlt we'. we'll have it for you if it happens. we want to switch to what's happening in aleppo of new efforts evacuating of thousands of civilians. a convoy of buses moving through the city trying to bring people to safety, thousands remained
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trapped and looking for a way out. a closer like in aleppo. >> reporter: after four long years, the battle for aleppo is finally over. the rebels are boarding 25 buses behind me to be taken out of the city into the countryside. this is being a torturous negotiation which is broken down at times. behind me we heard horrific accounts of the injuries of both sif y civilians and fighters. those differences have been smooth out between the different vested interests of this conflict of turkey and iran have finally coming together to make this happen. across the city and the world, the fighting and suffering that punctured this wall and drawing people around the world who
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watch the people trapped inside is all finally over. it is far from that. >> our tv dan rivers in aleppo for us. as we continue to talk about syria, this disaster ongoing, my next guest is able to capture extraordinary experience on camera and during a mission rescuing moning hundreds of ref joining me now, our jason poll, thank you very much for joining us. tell us a little bit about this mission and how you came to be there and who you were with? >> sure, so to understand how i ended up, colorado reporter, stationed with or embedded with a team of 70 people on the mediterrane mediterranean sea. maintaining your sources and stay in touch of people after you do stories. i did a story in october about a
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couple of firefighters at fort collins who gotten back from volunteers work. they invited me to through november. and so through the powers that be, i ended up going over to malta and then we spent two weeks on a rescue boat in the mediterranean sea rescuing people throughout -- most of off the coast of libya, roughly 12 to 20 miles off the coast of libya. >> there is one sickening statistic in your reporting. you say since january more than 4,600 people have been killed crossing the mediterranean into europe. this is the deadliest year that we have seen for these refugees on record. give us a sense of what it was like being there and the urgency that must be felt. there are people who were trying to get out of a war-torn country, they're floating in the water, they're desperate, some of them are children.
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give us a sense of it. >> what's really fascinating is how quickly things can change when you're talking about what's happening over there. there were a couple days when, because of the rough waters and because of various other things happening on land, boats and smugglers that are running these operations, they aren't launching people from the coast. all of a sudden things can change. we have one 24-hour segment that i wrote about in the story that came out today where we assist nd rassisted in rescuing 750 people in a 24-hour time frame. that was to a yellow raft to deploy people to our boat and get them to safety. >> the whole thing about refugees is highly political in europe, here in the united states. what would you want people to know about these refugees that
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you saw and the things that you saw playing out, and the people who were helping them? >> one of the most interesting things about the people who were helping them is they really try to stay out of the politics of it all. we all know these are constant political talking points and the source of a lot of controversy right now in terms of the policy making. but what i wanted to do and what i hope the stories do is show that these aren't just numbers, these aren't just body counts, these are people's lives and these are literally hundreds and thousands of people who are leaving horrific situations behind in hopes of trying to get to any sort of better life. and sometimes they're willing to risk, and in many cases, willing to risk everything and rick the -- risk their own lives just to try to make it to europe. >> such a professional amount of journalism. thank you so much and thank you for your bravery in going over there and sharing this story. >> thank you. coming up, family ties. after three of donald trump's
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it would be very difficult for trump to pick john bolton. he's facing resistance on many levels inside trump tower. first of all, rex tillerson, the secretary of state nominee, is not very thrilled, i'm told, about the prospect of being joined by john bolton in the state department. number two, you have some very seasoned veterans of foreign policy in the republican party, condoleezza rice, bob gates,
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saying, no, this is not a good idea, mr. trump. don't pick him. >> simultaneously you have this other controversy going on about the trump children. we still don't know what their role is going to be. i'm just going to play a little of what she has to say. >> the president does have discretion to choose a staff of his liking. so if that actually is true and that advice holds, that will open up a round of possibilities. >> a you asking jared and ivanka to be the two family members most likely to take part in the administration? >> i think that's a fair assessment but that will come out. >> how do you separate one from another? you have donald trump talking about his kids taking over and separating themselves and them running the business and him running the government and then next day they're at this meeting. >> i think there are two issues
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here. the first is whether or not donald trump can give them positions even informally in government as advisers without violating any types of ethics constraints. because they will presumably be running their business. the fact that you could have them cutting business deals while they're also supposed to be working on their father's behalf as president of the united states is incredibly messy and frought with potential legality. on the other hand it's probably not a bad idea to have people close to donald trump, like his children, who are able to rein in his worst impulses. >> there is talk about ivanka trump having an office in the east wing, usually the ladies' domain, right? >> yes. a ivanka and jared have the authority to tell him when they
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think he's doing something wrong and try to tamp down his more reckless impulses. >> trump making news today, because the cycle doesn't end with donald trump, about slamming vanity fair on twitter. vanity fair wrote an interview of the steakhouse that is in trump tower. i don't know when i've read a more scathing review of a restaurant anywhere in america, and they said it could be the worst restaurant in america. he tweeted, has anybody looked at the really poor numbers of vanity fair magazine? way down, big trouble, dead. graydon carter, no although eta be out. and look what's happening in syria, russian hacking and he's speaking with vanity fair. one of them should say, maybe you should focus on that other stuff. >> they've tried and it hasn't worked. for a very brief window toward the end of the campaign, chris, they took away his twitter
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account. they did the tweeting. he would dictate to them what he wanted to tweet. they would type it out and edit it and send it out for publication. that's not happening any more and i wouldn't expect it to. >> jeff peterson of the "new york times." always great to see you, my friend. >> thank you. kate snow returns tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. my colleague, steve kornacki, picks up my coverage in new york. good afternoon, steve. >> breaking news at the top of the agenda. dylan roof guilty on 33 counts in the shooting deaths of nine people at a south carolina church last year. the trial will now continue into the sentencing phase. much more for you on what we can expect in that pivotal second phase. also on the agenda, the role of vladimir putin. >> we just don't think russia would engage in hits like hacking american political organizations


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