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"all in with crist hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> over a third of republican voters approve of vladimir putin. >> president obama sending signals to his successor. >> ronald reagan would roll over in his grave. >> and his russian counterpart. >> we can do stuff to you. >> as the fbi today said russia acted to help trump. team trump draws its own conclusions. >> this wouldn't have happened if hillary clinton didn't have a secret server. >> then michael moore joins me on obama's strategist, what he will and will not do. >> it is not my job to decide my successor. >> plus north carolina's republican governor signs a law stripping power from the democrat who defeated him. and the conspiracy theorist trump wants to make an ambassador. >> huma abedin, close connections to the muslim brotherhood. >> and al qaeda. >> and al qaeda, right. >> when "all in" starts right now.
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good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. in 35 days donald trump will become president of the united states. today the current president, barack obama, gave his final press conference of the year addressing a global audience on a wide range of issues, but it centered on what the u.s. intelligence community says was a covert campaign by russia to disrupt the 2016 election. on that subject, the president had messages for two specific individuals, russian president vladimir putin and the u.s. president-elect donald trump. after telling npr in an interview they'll respond today. they may never know the details of that response. >> there have been folks out there who suggest somehow if we went out there and made big announcements and thumped our chests about a bunch of stuff, that somehow that would potentially spook the russians,
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but keep in mind that we already have enormous number of sanctions against the russians. at a point in time where we have taken certain actions that we can divulge publicly, we will do so. there are times that the message will be directly received by the russians and not publicized. and i should point out, by the way, part of why the russians have been effective on this is because they don't go around announcing what they're doing. >> this comes as nbc news confirms what was first reported by "the washington post." james comey and james clapper agree with the cia's assessment that russia intervened in the election to in part help elect trump. previously reported that putin himself was involved in the use of hacked e-mails from the democratic national committee, and john podesta. today president obama called for a bipartisan independent investigation into the hacks warning against injecting politics into the process.
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>> i think it is very important for us to distinguish between the politics of the election and the need for us as a country to make sure that we don't create a political football here. one way i do believe that the president-elect can approach this that would be unifying is to say that we welcome a bipartisan independent process that gives the american people an assurance not only that votes are counted properly, that the elections are fair and free, but that we have learned lessons. >> president-elect, for his part, continues to dispute the intelligence community's unanimous conclusion made in october that russia was behind the hacks seeming to imply in a
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tweet, the hacks performed a kind of public service. are we talking about the same cyber attack where it was revealed that the head of the dnc illegally gave hillary the questions from the debate? trump referring to the male that the team got a heads up about a question from donna brazile who was not yet acting dnc chair. we should also note that's not illegal. republican congressman chris collins of new york, an early trump backer, made a similar argument in an interview today. >> now, as the democrat, to the extent this did happen, it's the truth that came out that may have had an impact on this election instead of the lies and deceit. so if the truth had an impact, then so be it. i don't think anyone should complain that the truth did come out. >> former trump campaign manager kellyanne conway whose role in the next administration remains as yet unspecified, has been picking a fight with the white house press secretary over his contention earlier this week that trump knew russia was responsible for the hacks.
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today she dismissed the whole issue as monday morning quarterbacking over the election. >> how does he know what donald trump knew and he obviously knew and he knew it was hurting hillary clinton? if you want to shut this down and you love the country enough to have this peaceful transition in our great democracy between the obama administration and the trump administration, there are a couple people in pretty prominent positions, one's named obama, one's named hillary clinton since people are still trying to fight over her election, they can shut this down. >> to be clear that was kellyanne conway apparently questioning whether president obama loves this country. sean spicer trump's transition spokesman and a front-runner to be white house press secretary, blamed the hacks on hillary clinton's completely unrelated use of a private e-mail server while she was secretary of state. >> i think the problem i have with this story and the narrative that's out there about russia is a few things. number one, this wouldn't have happened if hillary clinton didn't have a secret server.
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i mean, she didn't follow protocols. >> just to reiterate and make painfully clear, russia's alleged cyber espionage into the dnc and john podesta has nothing to do whatsoever, at all, in any way, shape or form, definitively at all, absolutely with clinton's e-mail server. at all. at his press conference today president obama pointed to a new poll showing that a lot more republicans view vladimir putin favorably than they used to. 37% up 27 points from just two years ago. the president sounded a warning about potential danger of this kind of lockstep polarization. >> we have to think about what's happening to our political culture here. the russians can't change us or significantly weaken us. they are a smaller country, they are a weaker country. their economy doesn't produce
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anything that anybody wants to buy except oil and gas and arms. but they can impact us if we lose track of who we are. over a third of republican voter s approve of vladimir putin, the former head of the kgb. ronald reagan would roll over in his grave. >> i'm joined now by democratic senator jeff mirkly, who formerly worked as a national security analyst at the pentagon. your reaction to the president today? there are a lot of folks who wanted him to be more vociferous, to be more pointed to maybe call out donald trump for his sort of refusal to accept the intelligence community consensus. what's your reaction? >> we have to recognize that this is the political equivalent of 9/11. russia has attacked the core process in our nation, the core process behind our presidency. and this is not just a modest deal or a big deal, this is a
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gigantic issue and it deserves massive exploration, declassification, americans need to know the story. we need to understand the full department of it, for example, "the new york times" has reported that it is not just russia hacking into the presidential election but to also influence congressional elections. a bipartisan independent commission similar to 9/11 is absolutely essential. >> on that policy ground, the president called for that. dick durbin has been on this program calling to are that. others have as well. you're of the belief that should happen. but i can't help but notice your tone about this is very different than the president's. the president took pains today to kind of tamp down the rhetoric about this basically saying we hold our own destiny in our hands and if our political culture weren't as bad as it is and if the media weren't as bad as it is, we wouldn't be here. you're calling this the political equivalent of 9/11.
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who is right on this? >> well, certainly i feel like the president feels a responsibility to have a gracious transition of power. he feels that's his role at the moment. but our role is to recognize that our political system has been hacked by a hostile foreign power and that is a huge issue. it compromises the legitimacy of the presidency coming in. we have a president-elect who lost a citizens election. now we find out a lot of these very narrow votes in key states were influenced by a russian operation, and that is completely unacceptable. so we've really got to go at this with a lot of vigor. what's missing in the puzzle are the republicans standing up and we really need to have this bipartisan commission. imagine the situation if it was reversed. fbi found out in september 2015 that the dnc was being hacked and they didn't go brief the dnc.
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can you imagine if that was a republican national committee that was hacked and the fbi didn't fill them in? they would be up in arms. we got to walk in each other's shoes here. this is just an unacceptable assault. >> in terms of walking in each other's shoes, i want to be specific. you mentioned the narrow margin and i assume you mean the small amount that determined the election. we don't have a specific causal that the leaks caused the election. >> i wouldn't go so far as to say definitive but there were many actions in the final days including the actions of the director of the fbi. between not briefing the dnc about the russian hacking, then interfering 11 days before the election has proven himself really in history he'll be one of the worst directors we've ever had, this is an outrageous performance by the fbi. >> what do you say to folks, sean spicer, kellyanne conway and others who say this is sour
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grapes, you're being a sore loser and attempting to undermine the legitimacy of the duly elected incoming president of the united states? >> i would say if you're patriotic american, you care when america is attacked. and attacking the validity of our elections goes right to the heart of who we are. let's stand together, let's take on this threat, let's fully explore, let's fully understand it. it does cast a cloud over the incoming administration but that's because of the facts. it's the facts of the situation. it's not political positioning that cast that cloud. >> senator jeff merkley, thank you for your time tonight. joining me now senator bob graham, who chaired the select committee on intelligence holding that post on 9/11. one of the architects of the current intelligence architecture we have in this country. you're nodding your head with senator merkley. is that where you are on this? >> you have to divide the issue between the outcome of the election which is known.
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i don't believe anyone seriously thinks that donald trump is not going to be inaugurated on january 20th. from the issue of a foreign government, in this case a government with which we've had very challenging relationships in recent years has interfered with our election. one of the things that our founding fathers were most concern about was foreign governments interfering with the politics of this new country. they didn't like the idea of democracy. they wanted more monarchies. and the fact that this has now happened, i think as senator merkley said, is a very important issue and deserves to have the fullest investigation. and we can learn some of the lessons from 9/11 as we prepare. >> so i should be clear, there was the select committee which was enpaneled by the senate and the 9/11 committee, those were
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distinct bodies. you were on the select committee empanelled by the senate. >> it was both the house and the senate intelligence committees. >> i'm sorry, but congress. is that the kind of model, the select committee that you chaired, is that the kind of model we should seek for investigation here? >> yes. because it can be done quicker, more efficiently. you have people who have already have intelligence clearances. they can start. and they also, if they decide to continue to use their current staff, they are in a position to move forward if they did, as we did, have an independent staff, they could get about the business of selecting that. so while i don't think that's a major issue, the major issue being independence and bipartisanship, but i would prefer that it be the two intelligence committees. >> mitch mcconnell is basically saying the stranding committees as they are will do fine with the republican majorities and
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why do you want to take them away from that. and we've had other senators say this is nonsense and in any other situation we would have a select committee. why is mitch mcconnell saying that? do you think that's good faith? >> i don't question his motives. i frankly think that the process of using people who are experienced -- and the intelligence committees have had a long history of being bipartisan. and they are almost of equal numbers even in the house where the republicans have a significant majority. so they, i think, adequately meet the test of being independent and bipartisan. >> i want you to speak to viewers who are trying to parse all this because we keep having new reports. first it was there was a consensus that it was the russians across the different agencies. the dni is saying that, there's 17 different intelligence agencies in the united states government. then it was not only that but then before the election the fbi
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saying we don't know the motives. maybe they were just trying to kind of mess with us. then afterward the cia saying no, we know the motives. it appeared they were trying to elect trump. today they've joined them in that. how should we read in what appears to be a pretty broad consensus across the intelligence community. how rare is that, how robust is that? >> it is relatively rare in complex issues like this. for instance, the war in iraq, 17 agencies split. 15 supported the proposition that iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that warranted a war. 2 of the agencies, the state department and the energy department dissented from that. >> you voted against that war. >> i voted against that war because i thought that the state department and the energy departments' rationales were much more -- >> so people like myself scarred by that and looking at this intelligence and saying, i don't know, is this another wmd, what would you say?
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>> i wouldn't use this, the example of a false interpretation that occurred back in 2002 to color whether the agencies today are capable of providing more credible assessments. >> former senator bob graham's got a new book out that you can read. on political engagement. called "america: an owner's manual" co-written with chris hand. michael moore will be here after this two-minute break. stick around. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the only brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp. ♪
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i haven't shared previously private conversations i've had with the president-elect. i will say that they have been cordial and in some cases have involved me making some pretty specific suggestions about how to ensure that, regardless of
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our obvious disagreements about policy, maybe i can transmit some thoughts about maintaining the effectiveness, integrity, cohesion of the office, our various democratic institutions and he has listened. >> president obama seemed restrained this afternoon when discussing his relationship with the incoming trump administration. it was a familiar tone for the president who is calm and professorial. no drama obama as he was nicknamed early in his presidency. but a month away from donald trump being sworn in as president of the united states, a man with no political experience who admits to skipping daily briefingses. the lack of outrage or alarmism from president obama may have
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disappointed some of his most fervent supporters. there was something singularly disconcerting watching the president tip toe around how this country will fare in his absence. our next guest has a dire vision for what we can expect next. i quote here, donald trump is going to get us killed. joining me now michael moore award winning film maker. >> i'm not smiling, am i? >> you wrote this piece during the election that donald trump will win the election. a lot of people got mad at you. i hope this prediction is much worse than that prediction. why do you think he's going to get us all killed? >> i time the commander in chief refuses to attend the security briefings puts the entire country in danger. that's not rocket science for me to come up with that conclusion. i don't have to be a professional pundit to say that if you don't know what's going on -- it's one thing when we have bush asleep behind the wheel, when he didn't read the security briefing of august 6, 2001.
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>> the one determined to strike the u.s.? >> yes. now trump isn't even getting behind the wheel. now, after i wrote that, the day after i wrote that and other people chimed in, his aide announced that he will go to three a week. >> three a week. >> three a week. so the other four days, america >> i'm very curious. >> you're on your own. >> you said you watched all that press conference. and the reaction was interesting. because it was the way he's always been. hes will a tremendous amount of confidence that in the end things will work out. that when the tone is panicked, hysterical or alarmed, his tone is measured and cool. i saw a lot of people feeling panicked and alarmed a little frustrated. >> now is not the time to be measured and -- well, cool is okay. >> right.
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>> you really -- it's never good to operate in a panic situation becoming panicked yourself. >> it's one of the things i admire truly about the man, barack obama. >> and he does -- he is trying to show trump how we expect for him to behave. >> he's modeling presidential behavior is what you're saying. >> had hillary won, this is the way you should behave. but yes, i think he's trying to teach a lesson. but there's other lessons he could have taught today, too. frens when the electoral college was brought up. >> let me play a clip. i want you to respond. when he was asked if there's a need for electoral college reform. >> the electoral college is a vestige, a carry over from an earlier vision of how our federal government was going to work but put a lot of premium on states. so there's some structures in our political system as
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envisioned by the founders that sometimes are going to disadvantage democrats. >> but he stepped aside from the course that they should be swayed on monday or be briefed. >> or being a constitutional law professor use this as a teaching moment to tell young people who are watching that the reason we have an electoral college is because the founding fathers wanted the slave states to join the union. so to get them to join, we had to agree to their plan, that they could count two-thirds of their slaves. >> three-fifths. >> yes, three-fifths and the slaves couldn't vote. >> of course. but they would get them in the census. >> but they were counted as citizens, then they could claim that, as population for their congressional districts and the electoral college. and the irony that a system set
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up to placate slave states would end up 200 plus years later benefiting a man who ran on racism is truly profound. >> there are people pushing very hard that think that because of some of the constitutional perils of the emoluments clause, because of the popular vote margin and the fundamental threat to democracy that electors should be persuaded on monday to part with what their pledge is and vote against donald trump. >> yes, they absolutely should do that. i believe that there are electors, only 38 of them, who have a conscience or who are worried about a man who won't attend the daily security briefings who we now know russia was trying to help get elected. can you imagine if you or i had been running for office and they showed that the iranians were somehow involved in helping you or me get elected, what would happen to you or me, chris? i'm just curious. what would happen? >> it would be a totally chill situation all around.
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>> yes. i'm just saying that, yes, this is the time that electors this weekend -- i don't know if any of them watch your show. if any of the republicans do. this is a moment for a profile in courage here. we need them to -- >> you don't think that would precipitate chaos, like genuine chaos? >> no, there's these hamilton electors. they polled the electors, and they know none of the republican electors will vote for hillary. the chance of that happening is gone. >> the idea is to push them away from donald trump -- >> to a republican, to a republican who will agree to have a vice president who will have a cabinet, have a unity government to pull through this and they're hoping that by -- if it's a republican, you see, you need republican leaders to step up in weekend and say at the very least can't we just put this on hold to find out what the russian situation is? >> if you're counting on republican leaders to step up, that i think is a plan --
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>> i do that all the time. constantly depending on republicans. >> there's a dispatch from the state of north carolina that gives you a little window into a certain philosophy. i want to give an update on that if you'll stick around to react to that. that will be great. >> sure, yeah, yeah. >> michael moore will stay here. more on the remarkable doings in north carolina after this break.
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no notice was given. it was a quick thing, a matter of a few hour. they would have an additional special session and this would be aimed at a whole raft of efforts to reduce the governor's powers. >> on this show last night david price said there would be no notice for the special session republicans called to strip power from the incoming democratic governor. the power grab has been met with outrage and protest. the associated press reporting that 16 people arrested today, 17 arrested yesterday including a journalist with an advocacy group.
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today the lame duck governor booted out of office by the voters of his state, the republican pat mccrory began signing into law these bills that will sharply reduce the power of the new governor, the democrat roy cooper. he rammed through legislation would undermine the governor's input into state election boards, increase republican control over who he picks for his own cabinet and bar him from making appointments to statewide positions, all powers his predecessor, the current republican, enjoyed. these moves are being widely denounced across the country and in a bipartisan fashion. some republicans raising hackles as well. partisanship so extreme it strains the bounds of democratic legitimacy. a defeated republican governor signing into law measures that will strip powers from the incoming democratic governor who defeated him when no one discussed this during the campaign. governor-elect cooper has already threaten to take republicans to court. we should name who has done
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this. senate leader phil berger and tim moore, they have been flatly considered unconstitutional because they're so aggressively racially gerrymandered. new elections to right that wrong won't come until next year. given all that the frustration of democratic lawmakers was intense. >> at some point in time we're going to have to give up some of the power to the people we represent. >> stop making everything partisan. it would just be nice one day if we got back to governing. >> it is shameful that we have an omnibus piece of legislation costing the taxpayers of north carolina $42,000 a day so that we can embark on this coup. i will not stand with you as you embark on a coup. >> strong words. michael moore is here, what he thinks about north carolina and what it portends for the rest of the country next. if you're taking prescription medications,
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we have an election coming up in 2017, and they know that many of them are going to be voted out of office. so now they're trying to engage in a coup. if this was going on in any other country, america would be outraged. if this was going on in any other country, the president of the united states and others would even speak out. even candidates would speak out against it. because what you see going on
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here is just blatant unconstitutional meanness. it's like apartheid government, it's like fascism. it's wrong. >> reverend barber saying if this was going on in any other country we'd all be outraged. still with us michael moore. i want to talk to you about what is going on in north carolina, is actually the most important story in the country this week. >> an amazing story. >> because it is such a flagrant violation. >> right. >> it is a technically -- it's technically procedurally, it's technically legal. they can do this. but it is such a manifestly sort of -- it seems so illegitimate that it's straining the bounds of something pretty deep. >> a good coming attraction of how republicans are going to use power in the next -- not years, few weeks and months. i have to say this. you have to admire conservatives and republicans. they are so brazen. they are so -- they don't care.
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they just go for it. this is amazing at what you just showed. it was just amazing. >> what's amazing to me reverend barber, a man who is a pretty amazing or nizer. he does understand power. but then you have the democrats in the state assembly trying to shame them. it would be nice if we could get back to governing, this is so nonpartisan, as opposed to understanding what is happening here is a very fundamental power. >> how come on my side of the political fence we don't have that sort of, yeah, you know, that courage of their convictions? the sort of decisiveness and the full speed ahead. i mean, seriously, if tonight, if donald trump was ahead by 3 million votes but hillary was going to get the electoral college on monday, what do you think the trump people and the republicans would be doing? >> the world would look very differently. >> i don't mean that they would react violently.
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>> lawsuits. >> everything, they'd throw everything at this. >> this would have been no concession yet. >> no concession. but the clinton campaign, everybody is trying to -- president obama wants to be the nice guy. and it's like this is not the time, this is serious stuff that's ahead of us here. >> the story goes with this as well. governor he page passed a minimum wage referendum against the opposition of the sitting governor paul he page. he's going to i instruct them not to enforce the law. this seems to me like edging into democratic crisis in a very profound way. >> absolutely. no, no, our democracy -- >> can you fight to restore -- the question becomes do you fight fire with fire, does that restore democracy or do you further degrade it that way?
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>> you have to fight fire with fire. you absolutely have to. you can stay on the high road and fight at the same time. the democrats' side, my side, they're usually, oh, wait a minute. that's not right. wait. whoa. oh. and then everybody goes into their depressive voice of, oh, wait a minute. it's like, no, come on, people. come on. >> speaking of the democrats -- >> the tanks are 20 miles outside of paris. let's go. seriously. >> speaking of the democrats and the democratic leadership, do you have the department -- secretary of labor perez announced he'll be running for the d in, c chair. keith ellison who has been endorsed by bernie and chuck schumer, different wings of the party i think it's fair to say, do you have a preference in that race? someone you want to see lead the democratic party? >> it should be keith ellison. not because the bernie thing. we need new blood. we need young blood. this thing -- i mean, god bless nancy pelosi, you know, she's done so many great things.
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historic figure, but to go with the same old, same old, same old when we need new thinking, fresh blood and a fight in us, a fight, and this is -- there's so many things that should be discussed right now. here's something that's not even being discussed. the fact that the cia has told us that they have both the dnc and the rnc but only released the dnc, did not release the rnc. one of the things that nobody is talking about is they clearly have the goods on somebody there. why do you want to risk a president in the white house that could be blackmailed by whatever they discovered at the rnc? >> i will know "the wall street journal" is reporting today that perhaps they didn't get into the -- it's not clear. there's reporting today in "the wall street journal" that they didn't get into the rnc because of security measures. that said --
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>> to believe that we have to believe the republicans, the grand old party is so up on their technology that they had firewalls in there and the democrats of silicon valley didn't. >> there's a broader question about the implications more broadly about this entire thing once people start pulling on the threads of where this investigation goes and what else happens to the possession of whoever pulled this off which appears to be the russian state actors. >> listen, we're hours away now from the electoral college coming together on monday. this needs protest, this needs people's voices. you can go to vigils for america. i think it's dot org. and they have a list of all the state protests at the state capitals this weekend and on monday. people need to have their voice heard. don't say to yourself, oh, what's the use? how do we -- nothing's going to happen. you don't know that. you don't know that. that's why we have to keep fighting. we have to fight all the way to inauguration day and then be ready for them to start the day after the inauguration passing law after law after law. >> and you think protesting on inauguration day --
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>> protesting, obstructing, disrupting, civil disobedience. i mean, the man has no right to enter that house. there are too many questions about whatever collusion was going on. i mean, they admitted that they were in touch with the russians during the campaign. they have said that. so we would need to know as americans what the hell was going on there and he does not have a mandate. he does not have a mandate. and that just needs to be said over and over and over again. and the media, for god's sake, please do your job. >> we try. michael moore -- >> you're not trying hard enough, chris. >> thank you very much. still to come, the bankruptcy lawyer donald trump wants to be the ambassador to israel, a man who finds himself to the right of benjamin netanyahu. more on that ahead. plus thing 1, thing 2 right after this break. all right, be cool.
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where does hillary clinton get her advice from? >> george soros. >> george soros, good. i got it. you're right. george soros. sidney blumenthal, max blumenthal, one of the most vile anti-israel haters. what about huma abedin grew up in saudi arabia. close connections to the muslim brotherhood. >> and al qaeda. >> and al qaeda. right. >> none of that's true. it's an appointment that has sent such shock waves around the world. donald trump naming his longtime friend david friedman, to the right of benjamin netanyahu, has
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zero government experience, as ambassador to israel. friedman has expressed opinions that are considered radical even in today's more right-wing israel. for some of his articling and statements friedman could get arrested by the israeli police on suspicion of incitement. as well as the divided city of jerusalem where he wants to move the u.s. embassy. he does not believe it would be illegal for israel to annex the west bank and he supports building new settlements there. friedman has written that the two-state solution was never a solution, only an illusion. he's claimed president obama is engaging in blatant anti-semitism and has sprezed that huma abedin has ties to the muslim brotherhood. >> i think the evidence is such that she does have ties to the muslim brotherhood. she grew up in saudi arabia.
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her parents are, you know, known intellectuals with regard to shariah law, and they have connections to the muslim brotherhood. i don't think that's terribly controversial. >> it is controversial, it's not true. he's compared the group j-street which supports a two-state solution to the jewish nazi prisoners who helped run the concentration camp known as kapos. the kapos faced extraordinary cruelty and who knows what we would have done in the same situation to save a loved one. but it's hard to imagine anyone worse. after those comments recently friedman suggested that members of j street do not even have a right to a jewish identity. they're not jewish and they're not pro israel. they're not jewish. the president of j-street who is man named jeremy ben-ami and he's here.
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>> well, chris, i can't even begin to tell you the outrage that is pouring out of the jewish community today. this kind of language and this kind of discourse has no place on the national stage. it has no place in american diplomacy. it has no place in the jewish community. we've got to find a way to reject and the senate has the opportunity to reject this kind of discourse in this country at this moment and the time's coming to draw the line and this man is the line to be drawn. >> you're saying he must be opposed? >> he must be opposed. it is impossible for me to understand how any jewish american leader could say that somebody who has expressed views like that about the president, about other jews, about huma abedin, about the entirety of the arab world could possibly be supported to be the ambassador to the state of israel. it's throwing a match on embers and the center of the potential next world war that you're putting this man in the center of.
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>> you know, there are a number of people that i sometimes read, i canvas a wide range of opinion particularly on this particular issue, people in the very -- let's say the anti-zionist left, some of whom are jewish americans, some are palestinian, arab, across the board. and reaction to this was basically this was a kind of taking the mask off of policy, right, that this is someone who is so extreme he will expose that basically the israeli government and the u.s. government have no interest in a two-state solution whatsoever anyway. what's your response to that? >> i think there's a large part of the right wing in israel that has no interest in a two-state solution. there's a 20, 25% of the israeli public that supports the greater israel movement, the settler movement and 20%, 25% of american jews who voted for donald trump. but the overwhelming majority of american jews and israelis who care deeply about there being a state of israel, that adhere to democratic values, deeply oppose
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what the settlers stand for, what david friedman stands for and the direction this pick has to take policy. this is not ripping the mask off the majority of supporters of israel, this is ripping the mask off a very limited minority. >> do you think it would be dangerous, would it be dangerous for the world for this relationship given everything that's going on in the middle east for this man to hold this very important position? >> it's reckless. it's dangerous and reckless for the president of the united states to put somebody who has shown an inability to have a civil discussion without immediately resorting to name calling about the people that he disagrees with, you know, on a religious and racist basis in the middle of a potential religious war. so that is a tremendous risk and highly reckless with the american interests. >> j-street is just one part of a variety of organizations invested in both israel and jewish american life and relationships between the two states.
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do you anticipate that some of the other ones, apac, for instance, other organizations, will not be as vociferous in their opposition as you are? >> i do. i think that there's going to be a real split in the sort of institutional life of the american jewish community. there are organizations that will go along with the leadership in this country and the leadership in that country despite the fact that a majority of jewish americans in both countries don't agree with the policies that are being implemented. and this is a real crisis in american jewish leadership. >> crisis in american jewish leadership. jeremy ben-ami, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> that does it for us. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. have a great night. >> you too. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. happy friday. i'd like to introduce you to the impeccable -- awesome name, right? the impeccable. there are not very many ships that look like this in the
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world. it's got kind of a strange design. the big high catamaran hull. it's on even stranger thing to know about this ship besides just the awkward shape of it, is that this ship has a tail. one of the thins this ship is designed for is towing behind it something called a surveillance towed array sensor system. it's basically a giant sonar array, a giant listening post. part of the reason why this ship "the impeccable" looks like a cinder block, right? this strange, awkward shape, part of what accounts for its awkward design and shape is that it's meant to drag behind it this thing that listens to the ocean. what that sonar array that it drags behind it, most of what it's listening for is submarines. but that is what explains the awkward visuals here of this ship.