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says, wherever you live, please subscribe to your local paper. most of them don't have a billionaire owner. they need you. that's our show, now it's time foro'donnell. it was bound to happen, the it was bound to happen, the theoretical obama versus trump presidential campaign is officially under way, and this time we all get to pick our own winner. >> the president-elect's new tweets. >> i'm not sure this is the best way to communicate. >> he wrote, the world was gloomy before i won. there was no hope. [ laughter ]

>> and slapping the u.n. as just a club for people to get together, talk and have a good time. so sad. >> we must resist the urge to turn inward, to demonize those who are different. >> barack obama making news by saying, hey, if he'd been running, he would have beaten donald trump. >> i think i could have mobilized the majority of american people. >> president obama says he thinks he would have won against me, he would say that, but i would say no way. >> his use of social media in particular is something that's never been seen before. i think that's exciting part of the job. >> donald trump has no filter and is able to tweet whatever he wants. >> 140 characters or less is not the way to make any type of policy. 49 days after the real presidential election that produced the surreal results of

a former first lady, senator and secretary losing the electoral college to a tv reality star and who happened to be caught on video boasting about his preferred methods of sexual assault, 49 days after that election, the theoretical obama versus trump presidential campaign has begun. and each of the candidates thinks he would beat the other. >> i am confident in this vision, because i'm confident that if i, if i had run again and articulated it, i think i could have mobilized a swrort of the american people to rally behind it. >> donald trump, unsurprisingly tweeted president obama said that he thinks he would have won against me, but i say no way. and this afternoon, trump said president obama -- he has an

approval rating of 56%. president-elect trump has a 48% approval rating, the lowest in history. he picked the second best of the day to try bury an announcement. his office announced on christmas eve that he intends to dissolve the donald j. trump foundation, the same foundation being investigated by the atrney general of new york, the attorney general says he cannot dissolve the foundation as long as it is being investigated. the surprising fact that donald trump has contributed exactly no

money to the trump foundation in the last eight years, donald trump has not produced a single record of him making a single charitable contribution in the last eight years. david fahrenthold's reporting showed that his work involved the use of other people's money. joining us now, a professor at georgia state southern university, and yamiche alcindor. let's go to the obama versus trump presidential campaign. what is your theory of that theoretical campaign? who would win it? >> i can't say who would win it. what i can say is that obama of course is imagining himself as

the change candidate, the candidate who really came out in 2008 and blew hillary clinton out of the water, so i think he's looking at himself as someone who be able to cap the hearts of americans. there are large counties that went for obama and switched to trump. that tells me that trump became the hot hand, the candidate that people saw as a change agent and the candidate that people thought were talking for them. and that was the working class people and people who really wanted something different in this economy. so i think it's really tough to say who would have won, but i think donald trump has a good backing in that he was able to kind of harness the obama way of doing things and win this election. >> jared, what's your theory on if president obama could have run for a third term?

>> i think he has shown a little of the spirit of the campaign that he ha and i think he really wants to put his message out there and compete against trump in the arena of ideas, and i think it would have been a very different campaign, it would have been a lot more in terms of obama's sort of agenda. i think we would have talked a lot more about what has gone on these past eight years and looked at the country in a lot different ways as opposed to how trump painted this country. >> president obama seems to think he would have done a better job connecting with those voters who did switch from voting for obama to voting for trump. >> yeah. and i think that's true. look, hillary clinton almost won this election. so he only needed to do a little bit better than she did to win it. and i think he would have done a little bit better. he would not have had the

liabilities that she had, he would not have the investigation by the fbi, the media of 40 years. in the minds of a lot of people, they just didn't trust hillary clinton. but president obama's numbers have been ticking upwards. why did the president say this? i think, i would imagine that he is irritated that what was sort of a layup election ended up getting lost by his party. and i think he thinks if the outcome had been in his hands, it would have been different. >> i would jump in really quickly and say hillary clinton in some ways was running on a third term of obama. a lot of the policy, a lot of the things that he wanted to to. so it's really tough to think that obama, while he didn't have the same flaws as hillary clinton, the message did not rile up as many people as he needed. that tells me that obama would have a tough time just on his record.

>> the clinton campaign's own analysis says it was the comey letters. there would be no comey letter factor in anyone but hillary clinton as the nominee. barack obama supremely talented performer out there as a campaigner. as josh says, you just needed to do a little bit better, and that little bit better could be measured in how many letters from the fbi enter the campaign. >> i think that's exactly right. and when you really look at the entire arc of the trump campaign, his main message that he gave to voters was this idea of corrupt hillary. and that was the narrative he had there and he colored hillary clinton with, i think we'd see a lot different result. >> all right, i'm calling, i'm officially calling the obama versus trump campaign for barack obama.

yamiche, we're going to leave you out of the voting. we understand your position. i want to get to a problem that developed over the weekend for the trump campaign, and i have a problem actually reporting on this story, this is carl palladino, the extreme racist from new york state who's a friend and supporter of donald trump, a very rich supporter of donald trump, i cannot read the things that he said about both barack obama and michelle obama, deeply racist, ugly things that the trump transition team eventually came out and condemned. but josh, we haven't heard anything from donald trump about this. and donald trump is pals with carl palladino, and donald trump finds time to tweet about alec baldwin's performances on "saturday night live" and

smaller things than that. >> yeah. the fact that the transition issued a statement condemning the remarks is more than they usually do. so you have seen carl palladino come out and say he didn't mean to send the comments to the press. he's an elected official, a member of the school board in the stiff -- city of buffalo. he is accountable to voters. he is going to come up for election if he wants to keep that seat. so he felt the need to walk this back. i don't think we will see trump tweet about how upset he is with pallino. the trump people are not amused by this and don't view this as a politically nstructive thing. >> where will his seats be at the inauguration? >> that's the bigger question of it, too, right? it's this behavior by carl palladino is sort of indicative of the ugliness that trump has loosed out into the mainstream

of america. it's been there for decades. you've heard things in private. these are the kinds of things that people said, the type of things that they would pass around on the internet. and you look at what palladino said, you have to think that trump has some responsibility for changing the course of this country and allowing this to be under the surface. >> and yamiche, donald trump took christmas eve to get out of the problem called the trump foundation. the only thing is that the attorney general of the state of new york is saying no, you are not legally allowed to dissolve that foundation as long as it is under investigation by the attorney general. >> it's a problem that's going to continue to plague donald trump. you mentioned the reporting from

the new york post. and this is just an example of the conflicts of interest that donald trump has. this charity, the fact that he was not using his money, but other people's money, and he's saying that all the ney was used for charity and some of it may have been used to pay off lawsuits. these e just examples of the problems that donald trump will have moving forward. also his real estate holdings, his hotels, whether he's going to set up a blind trust. whether his children will be able to be confidantes while running the business. there are so many conflicts of interest, and this is one that's not going to go away. >> thank you all for joining us tonight. coming up, the one thing president obama says he was not afraid of. and how donald trump plans to use twitter once he's in the oval office. and how thrilled his future press secretary is about that.

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interviewing someone you know with is difficult. it's a bit fake. you're asking questions you know the answers to, but it also might give you access to parts of the heart and mind of the person you're interviewing that other interviewers may not find. that's what happened with david axelrod. he has worked with them up close and looked deep into their eyes and in most of them saw at least a touch of insanity. that's what made him ask his friend barack obama why he's not nuts. that's the way david axelrod actually put it. he said to the president, i want to know why you're not nuts. david axelrod uses stronger language thank i do for the same phenomenon. i looked in the eyes of

politicians hoping to see a real person there and almost never did. i didn't think they were insane, that's david axelrod's word for it. i thought they were shallow and vain and needy. they share many characteristics of actors but don't have any talent. one of the differences is to examine the attitude toward losing. most politicians simply cannot imagine the day after losing. they fear losing more than anything else in life, more than losing their marriages, and that fear controls everything they do, everything. that fear turns them into robots, reading from teleprompters, index cards, playing out the script of their lives, written by that fear. that fear drives them to extremes, the kind of extremes

that david axelrod thought were necessary to win the presidency. that's why he wasn't sure senator barak obama had the right stuff to run for president. >> i don't knoif you remember this conversation i had with you when you came toy office right, the, you got back from hawaii, you were about to make the decision to run, you came in unannounced, and we talked for a long time. and i told you, i'm not sure you're pathological enough to run for president. i didn't think you had that pathological need that so many people who run for president do. and i don't know why that is, because your dad abandoned you, basically, when you were 2 years old, and your mom, i know she was very loving, but you were

separated from her for long periods of time. and if you were just looking at those facts, you'd say, yeah, this guy's going to be a real needy person. why, why didn't you turn out that way? >> look, you don't know, it's hard to get outside of yourself completely, and evaluate all the factors that contribute to your

presidential interviews never go. >> did you feel, did you feel, i mean, this is a weird question to ask, because you're president of the united states, but did you feel loved as a kid. >> i did. >> and why? was it your grand parents? >> my mom was, she was eccentric in many ways. she was -- >> kind of a hippy, right? >> yeah. but she always insisted on shaving her legs, but she was,

she was somebody who was, was that i didn't fear losing. it's that i feared more being dishonest or being a jerk or losing respect for myself. i feared that more than losing. >> most politicians don't have an honest answer to the question, what do you fear more than losing. president obama went on to tell david axelrod that having gone from 15 minutes of national fame as the first african-american president of the harvard law review, to being a back bencher in the state of illinois, gave him experience with the rhythms of ups and downs, and that helped balance him when he was shot out of a canon, as he put it. >> by that time, i was fully

formed, had a good sense of who i was, had a good sense of what was important and what wasn't. >> predent obama talked out the people who have helped keep himself real, the people who don't call him mr.resident. >> look. you know, i was also married to a woman who was not going to put up with any foolishness. >> mm-hm. >> and, you know, michelle, i can't underestimate the degree to which having a life partner who is so grounded and so strong and steady and fundamentally honest helped. >> sometimes brutally so. >> sometimes brutally so, but it, she has been balanced for our family. >> yeah.

>> and i, no doubt, contributed to me feeling calm, because here's what i knew about michelle. the same way i knew about my girls or high sister or my best friends. their relationships with me never depended on my successor outward success. they didn't, my best friends from high school don't operate any differently with me now than they did -- >> and they're around a lot. you have them here a lot, yeah. >> they do not call you mr. president. >> they do not. >> we leave you to imagine kellyanne conway's exit interview four or eight years from now. up next, what donald trump's been up to this weekend. more "earning something you loveper ro

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i think that his use of social media in particular is something that has never seen before. he has this direct pipeline to the american people where he can talk back and forth. and i think that allows him to add an element of a conversation that's never occurred. he can put his thoughts out and hear what they're thinking in a way that to one's been able to do before. >> we have breaking news from twitter. kylie jenner has 19 million twitter followers, that's more than donald trump.

her big sister, kim kardashian has more than twice as many followers, 49 million, and the president of the united states has more than four times the twitter followers of the president-elect, president obama has 80 million, and of course, as we all know, justin bieber has 90 million. and the person with the most twitter followers on earth, and therefore, according to the shawn spicer theory, may be the person who should be president of the united states, katy perry on just about 95 million, 94.9 million twitter followers for katy perry. joining us now, senior adviser and national spokesperson for move on.org. and a msnbc contributor. writing the book "how the right lost its mind." there we have the incoming white house press secrety describing the incredible, incredible

communication powers donald trump has at his fingertips because he has almost as many twitter followers as the youngest kardashian. >> here's what we've learned in the last few weeks in particular about donald trump's twitter account. is it is now officially a threat to our national security. we can all laugh when he's tweeting about "saturday night live" and, you know, and his upset and his lack of temperament about them, how he's being portrayed, but when he started tweeting about national security, that's pretty dangerous and reckless, and also there's been focus groups that have been done with his own supporters who have said, hey, you know what? we don't believe that the way he's using twitter is becoming of a president, and how they feel very uncomfortable with how president trump may react when he's not happy or someone gets

under his skin, because he has access to twitter. >> and charlie sikes, one of the things that donald trump opens himself up to is all the things that he doesn't comment on that are serious issues that people want him to comment on. like the horrible things that his friend and supporter carl palladino said about president and mrs. obama. he has nothing to say about that, but he does have time to talk about alec baldwin on "saturday night live" and so many minor things, and so it raises that question of the priorities of his attention. >> yeah. and by the way, katy perry may have more followers, but she request not start a nuclear arms race by herself, can she? i remember when shawn spicer was a normal, rational person before he was held hostage by this white house. this is going to expose the white house on a minute by minute basis. you don't know whether he's going to bully the wrong

senator, whether he's going to tank a company in the stock market with a tweet. and, as you point out, his silence on certain issues is going to be glaring. you will be able to go back and see, so, you're talking about, i don't know, some b-level celebrity, but you're not talking about what's happening in aleppo, you're not talking about one of your closest friends making a racist remark, but this adds this element of absolute crapshoot to this presidency that i'm not sure that anybody's got their handle on and must be absolutely terrifying to the people who actually work for him. >> and, corinne, claiming the twitter follower number is actually something important about this incoing presidency. it has that adoption of trumpian values. donald trump's own personal values about the world now into the white house staff. >> no, i think that's exactly

right, you know, lawrence, it's just really baffling, but we have to remember, i mean, charlie kind of talked a little bit about shawn spicer. shawn spicer's the same person who used my little pony as a, you know, as a way to explain how michelle obama's speech from 2008 was plagiarized. and so i think people have kind of lost their mind a little bit unfortunately, because it's, how do you explain trump's twitter account? it's just baffling. >> and charlie, it seems like the stock market and other parts of the world are going to have to learn to in effect devalue trump tweets, that they have no real meaning. i mean, for example, he attacks boeing one day, and the stock drops a bit during the day. then he comes back and praises boeing and attacks another competitor of boeing's and

drives that stock price down. >> you just don't know. when does this jump the shark. but this is going to encapsulate and symbolize this man's thought. there was a time when we had presidents who wrote books, now we have presidents who write in 140 character sentences. here is a president who actually does feel comfortable on twitter, because i do think that is the perfect venue for the qualitof his thinking, and i thinthats gointo be something that is a defining element in his presidency. >> charlie sykes, and corinne jeanpierre, thank you for joining us. donald trump is make benjamin netanyahu his new best friend, and that has a lot of people in israel and the united states worried. i was wondering if an electric toothbrush really cleans...

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for people to get together, talk and have a good time. so sad. on friday, u.n. ambassador samantha power explained why the united states did not vote for that resolution and why it did not veto the resolution. >> it is because this forum too often continues to be biased against israel, because there are important issues that are not sufficntly addressedn this resolution and because the united states does not agree with every word in this text that the united states did not vote in favor of the resolution. but it is because this resolution reflects the facts on the ground and is consistent with u.s. policy across republican and democratic administrations throughout the history of the state of israel that the united states did not veto it. it is precisely our commitment to israel's security that makes the united states believe that we cannot stand in the way of

thisolution as we seek to preserve a chance of obtaining our long-standing objective, two states living side by side in peace and security. >> joining us now, founder and president of j street, the political home for the pro-israel, pro-peace movement. i just wanted to refer to a poll that was taken on election day of jewish voters, and this pol of jewish voters, and i just want to show that the jewish voters do not necessarily see these issues the way i think a lot of people assume they do. and do you think the u.s. should support, abstain from or veto this resolution, 31% of jewish voters in the united states said the united states should support, should have voted for that resolution. 31% said they should have done what the united states did do, which was abstain, and 27% said that the united states should veto that. and jeremy, i think if you asked people to guess, they would have said something like 95% say

veto. >> right, that's because the loudest voices that you always hear on these issues from the jewish community tend to be those on the farther rig of the debate. the vast majority of american jews are actually quite moderate in their views on israel. in fact, one of the many misconceptions that exists about american jews is that they're not single issue voters on slooil, first of all, and second of all, they're t hawkish and extreme on theight wing ofhe politics of the issue. >> and what was your view of that resolution and what the united states' position should have been? >> well, the resolution as ambassador power said, had some flaws, and the u.n. itself is a biased and one-sided body when it comes to israel, and its disproportionate focus on the

problems that israel has and is causing, but that having been said, the resolution is completely consistent with the policy of the united states since 1967, when it comes to the occupation, and that's the policy of republican presidents as well as democrat presidents, and abstaining from the veto was an important step for the united states to send a signal to israel that the present status quo is unsustainable on the ground. >> let's listen to the israeli ambassador to the united states yesterday speaking on andrea mitchell's show, in effect, issues a threat to the united states. let's listen to this. >> we have proof. i don't believe it, we know it, and we'll share it with the incoming administration with appropriate channels and they can decide whether they want to share it with the american people, we're not going to share it with this administration, because they are behind it.

we may get a new security council of resolution in the waning days of the administration. >> just to clarify, the proof that he says he has is proof that it was the united states at the u.n. that was actually pushing this resolution, making it happen. washington post is reporting that the israelis' proof comes from espionage conducted against the united states. >> there's no way to know exactly what, of course, was going on behind the scenes. the palestinian delegation that was in town about ten days ago was reported in egyptian media. met with susan rice, and they discussed the possibility, which all of us who deal with this issue knew was a possibility, that there would be a u.n. resolution and the question was, what would the united states do. and that discussion probably did take place, but the notion that the closest ally of the united states in the middle east is going to accuse this administration, which just signed a$38 billion aid package of colluding against their

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from the edge". it takes us inside her relationship with her movie star mother debbie reynolds, but she wrote some of the great dialog in several films for which she did not receive credit. she wasn't being robbed of credit. but she was playing the hollywood game that only the best are invited to play. and so carrie fisher lives on in your memory in unforgettable lines that you don't know she wrote. here is a scene from "postcards from the edge", written by carrie fisher with meryl streep in the fictionalized debbie reynolds role. >> i hardly think you are in a position to judge me. >> mom. >> i do hope you were not out sleeping with someone.

and if you were, i hope you used condoms. i didn't raise you to act this way, but if you are, i hope it's your morals in question, and not your judgment. >> mom, i'm middle aged. >> i'm middle-agedmiddle-aged. >> how many 120-year-old women do you know? >> carrie fisher died today. she was 60 years old. >>announcer: valhalla awaits...

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and now for tonight's last word. last week "theast word"s you heard on this program before christmas were from a teenager in malawi who has finished high schoolen entirely thanks to your kindness. in malawi, like many other african countries, public high school is not free. tuition is low by our standards but too much foreign to pay. after last week's show, one tweet said what an inspiration she is, thank you msnbc and kind. you set a record for christmas holiday giving to the kind fund.

since she got the last word, you have contributed 505,206 dollars. that brings the total to $2,508,300. and that is the largest amount you have contributed since we established the kind fund. and in years past, a lot of you are like me, and you continue to contribute after christmas. i'll be going online tonight. at last word desks.msnbc.com and making donations in names of people on my holiday gift list. i'm not very good with deadlines, so, as usual, i have not completed my holiday giving yet. julia tweeted, made a donation to the kind fund in honor of my grandparents who were schoolteachers, my grandmother

dorothy just turned 94. congratulations for being such a great role model. rachel king tweeted that she put everyone on notice that she made donations to the kind fund, 14 donations so far. and that is how we broke the record, that extraordinary generosity. and what i'm reading in most of your tweets is that the most important reason that we broke the record this year is the way kids like this girl opened your hearts when you heard them talking about their lives in malawi. on giving tuesday at the end of november we broke a record for one-day contributions, and that was thanks entirely to joyce, who you heard spontaneously recite a program when i discovered her ambition was to be a doctor and poet.

you've found meaning in that poem for your own lives. joyce's poem about how we make progress in our own lives and in this world, little by little. when i asked tommendani to what she would say to the people who contributed the money, she said this. >> i would thank them very much for what they have done and what they are doing. without their help, we couldn't finished our school and have our new hope. >> new hope. in a year where so many things in the world have gone wrong, something you went write. you gave tommendani and her friends and thousands of kids in malawi, new hope.

hey, good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. according to donald trump, the united nations is little more than a social club. the president-elect tweeting yesterday, quote, the united nations has such great potential, but right now, it is just a club for people to get together, talk, and have a good time. so sad. trump was highly critical of the