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wrong t"too" as you can see. the republicans have apologized where they mistakenly used a picture of donald trump on "snl" instead of real donald trump. that's all for the record. "for the record" with greta starts right now. thank you, peter. for the record president trump japanese prime minister in mar-a-lago. officials telling nbc national security adviser under fire of call of russian ambassador. we're learning about an apology. there's this why this north korea launch that missile was it done to send a sinister message. president trump had a message
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for north korea. breaking news on that north korea missing test and growing questions how they handled aftermath. president trump dining the prime minister shinzo abe both leaders receiving the word north korea test firing the missile. two leaders standing side buy side and president trump announcing he stands behind japan. he says no more. some pictures surfacing on social media. this photo appears to show people around prime minister. president trump with japanese
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prime minister and others. we have not verified the timing of the photos. >> along today i say, prime minister, i said shinz zoe let's go over and say hello. >> then there's this, a press conference today. the president said this about north korea. >> north korea is a big, big problem. and we will deal with that very strongly. >> hallie jackson is nbc news correspondent, additional reporter and and ely, hallie, first to you. what's going on at white house? >> lots of action.
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i just walked as the press secretary was speaking to what is happening when it comes to mike flynn. let start with general flynn that's the headline of the day. you saw the statement the president himself is evaluating what flynn's role will be moving forward. the baottom line that's the message wanted to be convey the. this evaluation is happening. i will tell you a source familiar with what's happening inside of the white house it's not what pence said to flynn as you know on television, it was what he said chief of staff priebus. whether he forgot or mislead the
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vice president or chief of staff, regardless, it's raising concerns. the weekend is focus on shinzo abe. today focus on trudeau. he interestingly flynn is still playing an active roll and fulfilling his role as national security adviser, greta. >> when we look at social media photo s i don't think of important matters as north korea for testing missiles. >> this is what all the national security world is talking about. it's unusual anybody who travel with officials knows that there are plenty way to have a secure communication when you need it.
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they could have gone to side room to have a pow wow. which could be anything, it could be a side room, another building on the premises, but to just drop what you're doing and start that meeting in the middle of the dinner is incredible. there's a lack of experience professionals running the security ops or the moment of mar-a-lago. it's got a lot of people talking. anyone who tooking out, do we need to be clear, who else was in the room, what did they hear. it was out of the ordinary. >> what did they say at the white house about this? >> here what i have been told, i think that's kevin speaking, hear what the white house is saying, the discussion was happening about the logistic of
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the joint statement that they had late that evening. whether it was going to be nearby hotel or mar-a-lago frying to figure out that. the people were staffers of prime minister or president trump. at that briefing happened with his national security team prior to dinner in the skip after the dinner as well. if that helps to answer the question. >> did either one of you was mike flynn in the picture in the restaurant? >> yes -- i have go back and look at this. but he was in the briefing. >> if i saw president trump using a cell phone and document, i would be suspicious i would not feel secure.
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>> yes, it doesn't happen. flynn is in one of the pictures. but a lot of us saw it. again, i heard what hallie had to say this was pow wowing about how to do the statement. the idea to do is publicly like that, all of them are compromised the minute they are out like that. even something like this how to respond to global national security crisis. icmbm test that we have been waiting for in weeks, to have that meeting is another wow moment for the new guys at the trump administration. >> is there an why i indication what the white house intends to do about this missile test. >> i'm not sure if you seen the reporting, i'm sorry we get a lot of e-mails flying through,
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it is first indication we have gotten about the plan, ambassador haley saying they calling on all to make it clear that the launches are unacceptable. it's time to hold north korea accountable. we are trying to continue to work to get answers. >> there are no good options. we heard trump say this there's going to be stronger version from america. it goes to the un, the first thing goes back to un and enforcing something un would be which would be sanctions. the pentagon have said if the test is launched towards united states or japan, that u.s. reserve right to shoot it down. if you do that we consider that an act of war.
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what are you d going to do about this. >> the thing nobody is talking about, no one is worried about japan sea. we have 28,000 troops that are 340 miles out in the japan sea. they are right there on dmc. >> that's why all of these discussions that's what makes shocking what happened in mar-a-lago given the fact that one of the first things in his meeting with president obama when donald trump said we were talking alarming situation that subject was north korea, i do think that a lot of the republicans who were questioning her need to be raising concerns now.
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one need to be cia pompeo. >> this is enormously serious, this is done and done deliberately. while japanese prime minister here in united states with trump. there is message to both of them. >> there is really an easy thing for people to understanding this is not something he broken pr protocol and if he ding something different, this country most people know is would be enemy to the united states firing this missile and for you to have that conversation in this public place where really it's a private club that prices are increasing that shakes the core of the people that supported him. it's easy thing for the american public to understand that's not something donald trump wants. he doesn't want people plook looking at his actions, are you
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prepared for this job. >> they are looking at logistic, that's not national security whether they are going to go to one room to address anybody. nobody has solution for this nation, north korea, the obama administration didn't, the bush administration didn't, everyone tried to negotiate them, freeze them out, everything. they are moving close to -- >> this first time this president had to step out and respond -- >> he stand stand behind. he should have said stand with them. >> is there anything more, that's the problem? >> i think the other thing is mentioning japan and not the others including korea.
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>> it was a perplexing statement. it wasn't an attack on japan for him to only mention japan was interesting. this is -- there's a steep learning curve for this administration. we are seeing him say this vetting order, the immigration order trust me, to be so cavalier about national security, out on patio look at this reacting to nuclear missile test. that's crazy. the imagery of that they were -- they didn't seem aware of it at the time. >> the roll of the executive order was horrible. and the imagery with cell phone in a restaurant is horrible. unld lying that we have a profound threat in the world. in nuclear armed north korea of
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delivery system and no president has been able to handle that. we have no solution for that. >> there's no solution for it. and i can remember i think that's been a problem that goes back decades, thinking about it in high school when people were trying to explain what war was or what country are the threatening ones. north korea is at top of the list. and ten, 15 years later they are at the top of the list. he not -- the people who surrounding himself with are problematic, you have mike flynn in this situation, i don't think it's stable for a lot of people who supported him. >> his strategy for dealing with the world is to be unpredictable. >> we have two. >> if you have somebody on other
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equation who is irrattic -- i think what people would like to hear is a strategy. >> everyone talks about north korea would not do anything that was suicidal, i don't believe that. the thing that bothers me, everyone is focusing on the japan sea and we have troops lined up on the border which is closer from -- >> that's a lot different threat. the nuclear, go back to icbm. you're talking about -- >> that was -- they don't have a icbm as far as we know right now. >> we don't think they have one that can reach united states yet. there's some intelligence they are there, they have not done it. for policy wise, it's been a few
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weeks, where the hawks are been putting out statements in writing saying next thing to do is preemptive strike. a strike on the missile sites, in north korea and that changes that, short of that, what can be done? >> i can tell you it's talk about the aftermath after we went into iraq when vice president cheney thought they were going to give us a parade. everyone stay with me. national security adviser flynn in the hot seat. much more on breaking news of north korea testing nuclear missile. the kris sis is getting
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general flynn have full confidence of the president. he point of contact for the foreign visits. general flynn says he can't recall and he had 30 phone calls with leaders at the time and 70 i'm told with different leaders and i'll leave his comments at that. >> white house kellyanne conway defending michael flynn. before president trump took office. moments ago nbc news reporting flynn apologized to vice president pen for misleading him. the vice president denied that flynn had discussed sanctions with the ambassador.
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the president has not addressed controversy directly. but saean spicer that the president is evaluating the situation and speaking with pence about it. kellyanne goes on says he is 100% behind him. why is he evaluating him if he 100% behind him? >> you may a have the president hearing her and saying that's not exact lay right. it's hard to get a read on what's going on. flynn may be on thin ice they are contemplating but who can replace hem. they are going to replace him and two, if they do, they are
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not set on how hoe are going to do it. >> first of all, is there a transcript to say -- flynn says he doesn't remember. do we have proof that he brought up sanctions with the russian ambassador. is that proven? >> according to t"the washingto post," the fact is when you talk to the russian ambassador you can assume people are listening to it and people are -- it was multiple accounts it was brought up directi li of don't worry about the sanctions we'll revisit them after the inauguration. >> -- jeremy has worked with
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democratic administration, he said he would not find is unusual for the transition team, flynn to have a conversation with a russian ambassador. >> the issue is whether or not he mislead the vice president of the united states. it would be hard to understand he would have forgotten talking about the sanctions. if you sent mike pence out on national television that you never bought this up, then you have month later saying i don't remember -- it goes to his creditability. it's about whether or not mike pence feels like he intentionally misled him. >> i would like to see the transcript, if there's a
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ten-page transcript. that's why it's important it's something you could forget if if you have a number of topic. >> but these are intercept. >> i'm trying to play devil's advocate. >> part of the conversation is how deep was the conversation, was it a whole conversation or a bit of it, or was it something that he mislead my administration. >> the question is whether it's time for president trump to admit he made mistake in this administration. >> he believes he was the right man at the right time. >> he misstepped by flynn is whether or not he deliberately mislead pence accidentally or
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they had conversation about it -- i understand "washington post" said he talked to -- >> multiple people. >> donald trump is concerned to empower someone beyond reince and pence to make that decision. >> doesn't bannon like him. how did he get the job in the first place? >> you can bet that flynn would be replaced if it upsets trump. >> flynn got the job when the military establishment wasn't behind him. >> he got to the job because no one else wanted it. the short list was flynn. that would have been done it. flynn reputation was as wonderful as he was, by the time
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he dgot to mick, that managemen style, i think this incident, yes, you need to look into what he said, did you lie when he say he didn't remember. >> that could be more ser serious, that's the crime. >> beyond that, you can't find a single person who will tell you flynn is in control of the nsc or -- >> you have kellyanne conway saying president is behind him and the president gets the last word on this. >> you don't have teams talking to each other between the state department or dod there's no spokesperson at dod or state
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department. >> kevin, thank you. the rest of you stay with us. ahead north korea missile testing. what about the rest of the region. the united states. first there's new developments about president trump travel ban. after the break. ♪ why do so many businesses rely on the u.s. postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business.
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president trump once again defending his travel ban. it happened today with prime minister. >> we will get the criminals out, the gang members we are going to get the bad ones. the really bad ones. we're getting them out. >> the last thing canadians expect is for me to come down ask lecture another country on how they govern themselves.
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>> they are looking to court of appeals to rehear the case. nbc news correspondent pete willia williams joins me. do they want the trump administration to hear this? >> they didn't say this. remember what happened here, the easy way to think about this is the lawsuit itself is still in the courtroom of the judge in seattle who after getting alawsuit from the state of washington and minnesota put a temporary hold on enforcement. the ninth circuit court said that hold remains in place. on the judge's own motions asked colleagues to vote on whether the ninth circuit to hear the case. the ninth circuit said let's
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treat this like a preliminary injunction, are we done. where do we go from here. the lawyers for the state said let's go ahead with the trial. >> the whole -- the thing i'm having trouble with, let's wait to see what the ninth circuit does, the point of the roll out before telling cabinet officers was because it was urgent, so if it was urgent the president could issue another executive order, whatever legal or hoops that they want it to go through. >> two points, the government is saying judge, before we tell you what the next step is, let's wait to hear what the ninth
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circuit does. in the meantime, the question is the one you asked, if the president trump issue a new executive order and there are indication he will, all of this stuff evaporates because it's about the executive order he wrote on january 27. and it becomes moot. the new one can be -- the state with go back to court and we would go true this one more time. although in the new order is narrower, people who never come here in the first place, then it would be a tougher case for the state. >> thank you, very much, pete. >> you bet. trump responding about missile test from north korea, why did they do it and what it the threat to the united states. e
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back to the breaking news in north korea. un security council holding a meeting on how to respond to the launch. former chief for the los angeles times and author of nothing to envy. bob scales also joins us.
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first to you, has -- looking at the strategies of the president going back to president bill clinton, has anything been successful in deepi dealing wit the people of north korea. >> thank you for the question. i think under the clinton administration they had something called agreed framework that kept things in check for a few years. president bush thought they could get something better, and he unraffled it and never put it back together again. and can president obama ignored it. now we have another president n enhernting this problem. >> i thought the administration discovered they were cheating that's why it fell apart. >> there's a lot of discussion about this, the clinton people
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would say that the way they were cheating was not exactly a cheat, they had enriched you rain yum program. the clinton people would say it was better than nothing it was not perfect that there was some hoop holes the they exploited. >> general scales, let talk about the missile. it went 340 miles in the japan sea. do you know if they have miniature rised to put on missile. secondly could they reach dmc where we have 28,000 troops. >> the first question is no.
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there's five or six years away to doing. to miniaturize a weapon you have to get it down to a ton. i think your second question, the answer is question. the missile will reach in the south korea, they have a thousand missile to launch that they can fire long rang that will people the city of seoul which sa 13 million people. the threat to united states doesn't exist. >> except for the 28,000 troops on the border. >> right. >> has the rogue nation that they pal around with, like iran, do they have the technology and the ability to miniaturize it for the benefit of north korea and do they have
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intercontinental -- >> yes, and yes. there's a rogue nuclear club in the world centered between iran and north korea. you may recall was launched about a month ago almost identical to this missile. it's flight characters to to our missile we developed in the 70s and '80s. it's 2017. making a in you clear weapon is no longer a high technology it's an engineering project. we are going to find nation getting better and better at this. >> for the 28,000 on the border, for whatever reason north korea gets angry and they don't have the ability to mineturize weapon but they are angry for whatever reason, they have technology to
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shoot missiles at 28,000 -- >> absolutely right. >> and seoul. >> they are size of our army. 1.3 million men. they have 15,000 long range that can reach into seoul. everything is -- in korea everything is jammed up close to the demiller rised zone. >> based on your experience do you have sense that they have a survival instincts, do we have any -- let's say the united states tried to do a military strike, what would you anticipate to be the response? >> i think you would have a response that we used to call
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the last lash of the drag on's tail. that's how they stay in place because no one knows how to get rid of them. because you're paranoid doesn't mean you don't have enemies who want to kill you. they believe these weapons of mass destruction prevent kim jong-un from going the way of gaddafi or hassan, they believe that. >> one is they may flee norm north korea then you would have 20 to 25 people flooding into -- the other is they are devoted that they would fight back with
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everything they had. your thought. >> i have talk to a lot of north koreas about that. if they perceived to be attacked by united states they would rally behind the region. -- >> that's been my impression. the last time i was there, i tried to explain on saturday night, we americans are not trying train how to kill them, they believe they we were training like they are training against us. >> we were discussing this before the show, i think that if something happened internally and can the region collapsed from within you would have lots of people saying -- it's not a
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contradiction if we tried to take them out from the outside, they would rally around. that's why the threat of united states has been what's kept them together. >> you and i have had this discussion, i believe the region is fragile than they portray. >> he kills off none that gets in his way. >> but if we can attack -- if that's the right word, if we can get to the ruling with overwhelmingly campaign if we can get through the ruling elite with media and with thumb drives and radios overtime over years i think we can wear down the resolve, not of the soldier but of the ruling elite --
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>> the associated press rights about the rising policy of influence of ivanka trump. he has been focus of working women and involved in revuting women. ely, ivanka trump has been represented women and working hard forever this is no surprise. >> no. it's easy for president of foreign leaders to find an issue that they can find some common ground on. this ivanka bring in photo op, her sitting out message that they want to heighten the diplomacy a bit. >> people are talking about her rising influence. i think he had a lot of influence with her father. she worked side by side with him in the corporation. >> we'll see whether that translate into him pushing
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legislation, into him pushing initiatives. it should be mentioned it turns attention from the fact that last week her father and can kellyanne conway from hawking brand in merchandise. >> a father will defend his daughter, if he had not defended her i would have thought that was lame, you defend everythingess but not your daughter. >> kellyanne conway should be asking people to buy -- >> she could not be doing that. >> ethics said she should not have done that. >> she was sucking up to donald trump because she felt insecure about his position. >> hi think she learned her
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lesson on that. >> we'll see. >> what do you mean we'll see. >> we'll see. >> i think it's tough to be a kid of someone in the white house. i think it's tough. >> she is poised, asked anybody that's around her, they have nothing but positive things to say about her. 40%, not really good. she could be a good asset to him. if there are any nepotism ethics questions that come with that. >> thank you. for the record is next. [second man] how you doing? [ice cracking] [second man] ah,ah, ah. oh no! [first man] saves us some drilling. [burke] and we covered it, february fourteenth, twenty-fifteen. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because
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i want to say something "for the record" ordinarily i'm not in the business or giving republicans or democrats or advise, be why with do they self-inflict so many wounds. silencing elizabeth warren. -- it put it on front pages all over the news. the next day they let the male read what he warrant wanted to
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read. that was dumb of the republicans but now the republicans get their turn of being dumb. some are urging to split up the party into people's party. if they thought electoral college in 2016, how could it be smart to shave off democrats and create a new party. you do the math. it's political suicide. yes, that's dumb. if politician wants to win, skip the, knock off the fighting, get the result. see you tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern. if you cannot watch live, set dvr. go to facebook
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www.facebook.com/greta. i hope to see you tonight. "hardball" with chris matthews starts now. get me security. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews from washington. when someone gets fired, someone presses the button and says get me security. what if he national security himself. turmoil of president trump's michael flynn.

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