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is he in or out. several have been encouraged donald trump to fire flynn. the move is not imminent. on friday "washington post" -- even vice president pence denied the conversation. flynn says he cannot recall if the there were conversations, there my have been, he says. the knives are out for flynn. another official told "washington post" friends are running out the broad consensus is that he lied. he lied in position that needs to be no drama. i should be surprised he said if he lasts much longer. that's the white house official. earlier kellyanne conway pushed
back criticism of flynn. >> does the national security visor enjoy the full confidence of the president trump. >> yes. >> are you saying you're satisfied that he did not have the conversation that he did not mislead the president. >> those are two different questions. you asked if he full confidence of the president, then you're asking what did he talk about with people on the phone, hi says he does not recall. >> getting to the hard truth with kellyanne. later today sean spicer said president trump evaluating the situation. woe, according the to -- trump told several people he
particularly displeased with michael flynn. -- how they think spicer is doing behind the lectern. all three seem to be hanging in there a bit dangerously. this hour the united states senate will be voting on treasury secretary steve mnuchin. here is the panel. this week he criticized rein prebus to say he was over his head. what strikes me having read your paper for years. one is the way the people dump on flynn and the people dumping
on him so be the -- they are showing displeasure with him. they are blabbing away their dislike for flynn like they are not afraid -- they are usually safe people who worked their way up to influence, they are scared to be fire if they talk out of turn, but they are talking out of turn. but it's weird. >> people in the white house are displeased with flynn. >> why are they not talking with trump. >> he was frustrated with flynn. we doesn't care if the guy is being wasted in the newspaper. >> apparently not. the president has still not come out to say he defends flynn or
that flynn has his full confidence. the issue is not that flynn had the conversation with the russian ambassador is that he mislead or lied to the -- >> what would be motive for not telling the truth. if you had the conversation and you got heated about it, he could have said we could have pass it over a bit, to avoid percentager purgery. if you did talk about it you're purr gorous. >> why did they give blanket denial. >> to have -- sean spicer both of them went out publicly? january -- >> making other people lie for you. let's bring in gene and can
chris. t"the wall street journal" say this story is in trouble. he is the guy if something hits the fan, north korea, middle east, russia, he supposed to be sitting with the president with the charts and can logbooks, he doesn't have none to sit with him now. >> the key jobs in washington because secretary of state, cia is out in langley. >> it started with kins jer -- >> that gives him option, right. so flynn is in a key post. the fact that all of these people are leaking, you know, in
a funny way, some of the political people who are leaking, are leaking because that's the way of speaking to the president, the way they get a message to the president is through the press. >> chris, tell us what you think is going on and how you know it. go ahead. >> i think the president is a loyal guy and a lot more deliberate than the press is is giving him credit for. the president is new to this job but he has been in business for a long time. i have seen how his business operate. he operate flawlessly. his staffs are there for a long time. he is always looking for feedback about people. he is not going to -- just because there's leaks, fire mike flynn. he going to look at the evidence
and then decide. -- he outside the box guy, he wanted to be a lot more abrasive in dealing with islam, trump loves that about him. if there's something he did wrong, trump will cut him. he going to act deliberately and be careful -- >> you know the job of the director, it's like concert conductor, you have to bring in what the defense department has, you have to get intelligence kplubt community to give you what they have, you have to say, this what you're facing, mr. president. this is what you're facing.
doesn't he have to make up his mind about flynn? >> the fact that kellyanne said full confidence, that's powerful. i done don't think the president says that kind of thing unless he is serious. there's a period in the white house where they are deliberating and -- >> here is spicer who speaks for the president. the president is evaluating this situation. he speaking with vice president pence. he considers most important subject there's, our national security. do you think he lied to spicer, if he said i never had conversations about sanctions because of russia's meddling in
the campaign, do you think he lied about that. is that end or not? >> it sound like a serious offense. my job as journalist is not telling the president who to hire or fire. if he lied, that's serious. it undercuts his creditability if that's true. >> let's go back to sean spicer. he working hard. this is thing about leaking -- chris, you can get in here too. a confident said the president is concerned that the press secretary doesn't own a dark suit. why is he calling spicer to say get yourself a navy suit. why does he have to peel -- they have the right to call a press person say trump dump on the
clothing decision on the -- i know this light stuff, but it's weird. >> i cannot get into the mind of confidence, but the job he has is the most critical. he cares about branding and image. and spicer is representing him for an hour. >> she sitting there waiting to get that job, i think she is. i don't think she sitting there to support speiser, i think she getting ready for the job. what is his role except to be the next spokesperson? >> i think spicer has done a good job. hi is on a learning curve. we have a hostile press, visa vee the president. -- the people in the room,
really? >> are you watching the same press conference i am. >> eep even the president's comments about the suit. he says what he thinks. he is first non- -- first president in the united states who is on the learning curve himself, he is fast learner. i think it could be mistake to fire him. >> i want to ask you a easy question, trump i think had a wonderful ability to campaign. when you think of him, for good reason, i see in the guy what you call stand up comic, the ability to listen with your tongue, when you rm out on the taj and you pick up on the
reaction and you tune into the guys that way, that's how trump figured out the wall, birther, good stuff, wars, he picked up on the audience. how is he going to do that as president stuck in the white house. how is he going to keep sin k kraism with the ziet giet. ? >> without seeking discussions, he will be out and about. he loves to going to the rallies. he want want to spend time in the white house. he is moving around. every time he is out meeting ordinary people or important people or people in the media. he is something specific
questions. that's his whole modus operandi. ignore some of the stuff he says, he comes from the show biz world, look at what he says, he has executive order to protect american jobs. give lhim a chance. >> thank you for coming on. i want to go back to the group. gene, doesn't pay attention to what he says. reporters -- he write down what we hear. >> you can't do that. you have to pay attention to the what the united states says. you have to of the you can't not pay attention to what the president of the united states says. you. >> you have to take literally to get to the seriously. >> the word policy when he
tweets at 6:00 in the morning that's a statement from the president on policy. we have to judge him based on what he is saying. >> i think you are, jefferson said before you say something count to ten. if you're angry, country to 100. >> i totally agree. i told people my feedback is have a process before tweet. i think they are going to tlod l back overtime. it's -- tlhere's a transition period that would be good ask positive. >> we used to call it a seven-second delay. thank you for coming on. great reporting. you in the post and times are in one great reporter campaign.
i love it. >> we have a lot to cover. >> i love the competition. we'll be back. senator right now is voting on the confirmation of steve mnuchin. he is expected to win confirmation. coming up steve miller is going to come here. the powers of the president would not be questioned. i question he would come here. plus why is the president running response from the dining all at mar-a-lago. is this any way to run the president. netanyahu is coming on wednesday. we'll talk about that. let me finish with trump.
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in cleveland last summer. now he senior in the white house to shape, pulling out of the tpp trade deal and the travel ban. steve miller mounded defense -- took on three branchs of government and issue of voter fraud. >> we have a president who has done more in three weeks than most have done in entire flr administration. there's no such things as judicial supremacy, what the judge did was take power for themselves that belong in the hand of the united states. the president's powers represent apex of executive authority. our opponents the immediate yoo and the world will seen as we begin to take further action
that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be -- >> following miller's sunday shows circus, congratulations of -- great job. the mr. miller with little policy experience came as a hock to many of the staff members that knew him from seven years in the senate, and he now shaping the trump administration's core economic policy, with his policy on immigration. holly, nbc political analyst and peter. there's a certain iron like or
steel like way that he talks. he said the president is the boss he will not and must be not questioned. >> it's like he competing with the aides of trump, going further than that in terms of making a threat against the courts, you know that the affirmation was that trump took the step afterward of praising him for it. for talking about him in very kind of autocratic terms that i will go ay where at any time that what trump says is correct. >> -- trump told. >> trump is not being sincere in this tweet. >> there's no come on, we're lead the country in the better
place. it is you will do this. >> i got an e-mail who said this guy reminds me of communist leaders who could go on television to spru propaganda. >> hi >>, we all know, any reference with green cards because they have standing in the fifth amendment to the due process clause, he can take out that with regard to minority clause, but he is left with the history of listening to gill -- giuliani, get a hold say it's
still a muslim ban it's a breaking of the establishment clause. >> he himself called it a ban. when he introduce the concept to the american people he called it a muslim ban. several others courts that ruled against him, so there's -- he can try to fix it but -- >> he fixes it and they still say no. >> i don't know. >> is he going to defy the court, i don't know. >> when you think of him, whatever you think of him, he says i will see you in court. which implies it will be up to the judge. the judge will rule at some level. >> they are not going to deny the courts on this. >> even nixon didn't defy the courts. >> you can't.
these types saying no, trump do what lincoln said he was going to do -- >> why did they do that? >> because of this idea of judicial supremacy. >> judicial review. >> there's a sense on the right that the court's have usurped -- >> whether brown or row v. wade, we didn't know about airplane back in the 18th century, but we have air force -- they found that young black kids when shown white and black dolls and they discovered this discriminations sent note of inferiority to people, it took thinking.
you cannot go by the wording you're back to the 18th century. >> i have e-mail from a spammer similar to what steve miller. >> what's spammer. >> conservative e-mail. they talk about the fact they believe that the supreme court ruling that established the court's oversight -- was wrongly decided, there's this -- >> there's so mistrustful of the court. >> if you have the courts the congress and the president, who can be empire if it's not the court. >> it can be the court. that's what is so od about this. >> which maybes you think there's going to be an exception in this case because there's a national security concern and in
this case they have absolute power, in his words. >> what was he getting his picture taking sunday monday rolling "the lid" of steve miller. they treat him like a deb taunt. >> it's a pecking order. i don't know. >> this picture captures white house rolling "the lid" off his suit. "t >> this is material for satur y "saturday night live." >> if trump cannot see a woman playing his press secretary he is not going to unsee that. >> they switched the gender but the look is similar. but the gender switch, that's going to be first time that's
ever done. will ferrell played -- >> i think this is what they are doing. because did you notice sessions was played by a woman. >> she wants to be bannon. >> they know how to get inside of trump's head. rosie is tough. >> thank you. this guy has a scary metal to him, steve miller. >> the comments are scary. >> on this line, the president will not be questioned. he will not be questioned. >> it's a -- >> thank you both. senator has enough votes to put steve mnuchin he is now
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and nobody has the ability to harness that than donald trump. in his book, new york columnist thomas friedman tries to explain our evolving world. for more, i'm joined by the great pulitzer columnist thomas friedman. you wrote this book not knowing who was going to win the election and yet we have a president who lives with sin napses. he listens with his tongue. he's just there, you know? this book, in explaining why a trump, he's no regular guy. he's not a walter mondale or hillary clinton. he's not a regular political-class politician. >> a couple things have happened. one, i profile in the book what
happened in 2007. it seems like an innocuous year but the iphone came out in 2007. facebook went global in 2007. twitter went global in 2007. airbnb started in 2007. android came out in 2007. it turns out, that was an amazing technological leap forward and we completely missed it because of 2008. so right when our -- >> because of the economy dropping? >> exactly. right when our physical technologies took off, all of the social reforms really froze and a lot of people got caught in that dislocation and that's one reason for brexit and for trump. >> trump appeals to people who were disturbed by this. he's exploited it brilliantly, tweeting at 6:30 in the morning is almost clownish but yet he dominates the news agenda that day. >> we're in an age of acceleration where the power of
one has so exploded that we now have a president who can sit in his bedroom, basically, and tweet and communicate directly to hundreds of millions of people around the world without an editor, a libel lawyer or a filter. >> filter is the key. >> isis can do the same from raqqa province. >> we saw what happened with the evolution in egypt. look what happened a week or two ago with the women's march. that was put together by a woman in hawaii, a nonpolitician, a grassroots, and the most thrilling for the people on the progressive side of things, it's happened in the long time. people got up and marched to washington, women especially. >> it was an amazing thing. the thing about twitter, facebook, instagram, they are great for getting out a crowd. as i profile in the book a. couple of people who are leaders of movements in egypt, they are great for getting people in a crowd. they are terrible for actually pursing and building an
organization. lennon said organization is everything. at the end of the day, these technologies, they are great for arousing people. >> yeah. >> but they're not good for organizing people. >> somebody once said socialism would not make it in this country because people won't go to meetings. >> it turns out, going door to door builds alliances and solidarity that really matter in the end in delivering political change. >> history, i love it. i write about it. >> yep. >> i'm always thinking what happened with nixon, with reagan, i see the mistakes that were made and what worked. and then i get the sense with the age of twitter, with the age of twitting, if you say that's history, that's a putdown. >> yeah. >> that's history. i wasn't around then. well, i wasn't around then during lincoln and fdr. i do know that they were good at something. >> i hear young people saying i'm upset about this. i said, what did you do? they say, i tweeted about it. that's like firing a mortar into
the milky way galaxy. you have to get out of facebook and into somebody's face. that's how politics happens. what worries me about, especially the stephen miller, doug makes an important distinction between moral authority and formal authority. so what the trump now has a formal authority. they keep saying, we won. he has zero moral authority right now. i think that's really going to matter in time. when he gets into a crisis and has to look into the eyes of the american people and say trust me, believe me, north korea's really doing this, i had to act in this way, the fact that he has no moral authority now, they keep telling -- kellyanne conway keeps sayings, we've won. get over it. that's not going to do it in a crisis. >> i want to thank everybody for being here. it's called "thank you for being late." this guy has never let us down. read this book.
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problems have arisen. it remains a question of who was already in charge. the president makes calls to foreign leaders without checking on those advising him. how does he deal with this without guidance of people he's brought aboard? how do the people he's brought aboard know what he's going to tweet at 6:30 tomorrow morning? who's keeping the logs? apparently no one. which brings us to the question of whether he trusts his navigator. does he? does he believe his g-2 when he says he must have forgotten when talking about the obama sanctions? does he? what's with all of the leaks in leak after leak after leak? you see the hardspray coming into the ship. when is he going to plug those leaks, mr. president? when is the captain going to get off his phone and get control of the ship? because the ship of state right now is listing.
can't you tell? and why is he so concerned with the sales at nordstrom or press secretary's clothing choices? shouldn't he be focused on the mission? that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> does the national security adviser right now enjoy the full confidence of president trump? >> general mike flynn remains. >> yes, general flynn does enjoy the full confidence of the president. >> tonight, what we now know about the president's national security adviser after he was apparently caught lying about his conversation with the russians. and what we're learning about the chaotic national security scene during dinner at mar-a-lago. >> i said, come on, shinzo, let's go over and say hello. >> plus, republicans calling on their own to denounce the president's