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beautiful family, candy and the whole family, for joining us today. it was very special to accompany him and his family for the first time seeing the carson exhibit. first time. i love this guy. he's a great guy. really a great guy. and he can tell you better than me but i'll tell you what, we really started something with ben. we're very, very proud of him. hopefully next week he'll get his approval, about three, four weeks late. and you're doing better than most, right? but the democrats, they'll come along, i have no doubt they'll come along, but ben is going to do a fantastic job at hud. i have absolutely no doubt he will be one of the great ever in that position. he grew up in detroit and had very little. he defied every statistic. he graduated from yale and he went on to the university of
michigan's medical school. he became a brilliant, totally brilliant neurosurgeon, saved many lives and helped many, many people. we're going to do great things in our african-american communities together. ben's going to work with me very, very closely and hud has a meaning far beyond housing. if properly done, it's a meaning that's as big as anything there is. and ben will be able to find that true meaning. and the true meaning of hud, as its secretary. so i just look forward to that. i look forward to watching that. he'll do things that nobody ever thought of. i also want to thank senator tim scott for joining us today. a friend of mine, a great, great senator from south carolina. i like the state of south carolina. i like all those states where i won by double, double, double digits, you know, those states, but south carolina was one and tim has been fantastic how he represents the people.
and they love him. i also want to profoundly thank alveda king for being here and as we saw her uncle's wonderful exhibit. and by the way, miss king, i can tell you this personally because i watch her all the time and she is a tremendous fighter for justice and so alveda, thank you very much. come up here. i have been watching you for so long and you are so incredible and i wanted to thank you for all the nice things you say about me. not everybody says nice this but she's special. >> you're family. you're the best, you're great. >> thank you, darling. appreciate it. so with that we're going to just end this incredible beginning of a morning, but engraved in the wall very nearby a quote by the
reverend martin luther king jr. in 1955 he told the world "we are determined to work and fight until justice runs down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream." and that's what it's going to be. we're going to bring this country together, maybe bring some of the world together, but we're going to bring this country together. we have a divided country, it's been divided for many, many years, but we're going to bring it together. i hope every day of my presidency we will be honoring the determination and work towards a very worthy goal and for lonnie and david and david and ben and alveda and everybody, i just want to -- i just have to say that what they've done here is something that can probably not be duplicated.
it was done with love and lots of money. right, lonnie? lots of money. we can't avoid that. but it was done with tremendous love and passion. that's why it's so great. thank you all very much for being here. i appreciate it. and congratulations. this is a truly great museum. thank you. >> and you have been watching remarks from president trump at the museum of african-american history here in washington, d.c., surprise remarks, frankly, unexpected from the president, as he's been touring that museum with, as you heard him mention dr. ben carson, tim scott, members of the king family and others. you heard him talk about the museum being a meaningful reminder to him of our nation's history. he added he does have plans and he would like to visit the holocaust museum here in washington as well. all of this is happening moments
after his exclusive interview with craig melvin. as the president enters month two of his presidency, it's been a bit of a bumpy road for him butch he is looking for a reset. craig had the opportunity to ask the president about some key issues and key topical issues as well, including about recent attacks, hoaxes essentially against jewish community centers around the country. i want to play what the president had to say to craig when he was asked about anti-semitism. >> i want to talk to you about some of the violence we've seen at jewish centers throughout the country. there was some confusion last week at the news conference. 11 called in threats yesterday alone, more than 55 since the beginning of the year. will you denounce anti-semitism once and for all just to clear up the confusion? >> i do all the time. i think it's terrible or
horrible, whether it's anti-semitism or racism or anything you can think about having to do with the divide. anti-semitism is likewise just terrible. you don't know where it's coming from but i certainly hope they catch the people. i think you maybe have had it for longer than people think and maybe it gets brought up a little bit more but i will tell you that anti-semitism is horrible and it's going to stop and it has to stop. >> so you're denouncing it once and for all? >> oh, of course. wherever i get a chance i do it. i want to bring in craig melvin to dissect that a little bit. i believe you were on the phone as you're making your way back from the museum. walk us through that particular answer from the president. this is on the minds of a lot of folks across america. >> reporter: just before we get into it, yes, you would know we are still stuck in the museum of the basement until the president
leaves the building. but in the past when the president has been asked about anti-semitism and some of what we've watched play out in this country, especially over the past few weeks, he has deflected, he has said i am, you know, the least racist person that i know. he has pointed out the fact that he has a son-in-law who is jewish and grandchildren who are also jewish. this morning he did not do that. he did not deflect -- [ no audio ] . >> and i think we've lost craig in the basement there of the museum as he waits for president trump to depart. craig was talking about a point, though, that i think is key, this idea that the president when asked about denouncing anti-semitism and anti-semitic attacks and instead talked about immediately his electoral college victory. you heard a much perhaps clearer president in that interview with craig. craig, i'm being told by my producer that we have you back
on the phone perhaps. >> yes, i'm back. sorry about that. >> that's okay, pal. i want to play one more piece of your interview, especially on this immigration executive order we expect to be rewritten later this week as the department of homeland security comes out with other measures against undocumented workers here. >> we have to have a safe country. we have to let people in that are going to love the country. this is about love. this building is about love. we have to have people come in that are going to love the country, not harm the country. we'll have various things coming out over a period of time and you'll see them as they come out and we have to let people come in that are going to be positive for our country. >> craig, i'm assume being you pressed him on that executive order? >> we were trying to get some insight on the timing from last
week and the president would not answer that specific part of the question. one of the things and -- on the campaign and even since he's become president, he's insisted that his policies would target criminals. these bad hombres, that's the the eng language, and the woman, guadalupe, the intent was to ask him about her specifically. and that's actually when the. >> it remains to be seen precisely what the executive order regarding dreamers will be. >> we'll talk more with kristen welker a little later in the show. but i want to stay with the interview that you had with the president.
i want to play one more sound bite as well. being at this museum, the importance of the day with the president making this visit, you wanted to talk a little bit about how you heal a divided nation. here's what the president had to say. >> it just age old, it's -- there is something going on that doesn't allow it to fully heal. sometimes it gets better and then it busts apart but we want to have it get very much better, get unified and stay together. but you've seen it. where often times it will get much better and then it blows up. and part of the beauty of what you're doing here with a museum and the success of the museum, the success is very important. i think that really helps to get that divide and bring it much closer together. if not, perfect, we have to have a safe country. we have to let people come in that are going to love the country. this is about love. this building is about love and we have to have people come in that are going to love the country, not people that are
going to harm the country and i think a lot of people agree with me on that. we'll have various things coming out over a period of time. you'll see them as they come out and we'll let you know exactly what they are. we have to let people come in that are going to be positive for our country. >> this question overall is one that the president has faced really since election night, right? >> yes. and one of the ings we've heard there is, there was the promise, we are going to see some things and do some things but the president would not be specific. what he is specifically going to be doing to -- we had protests -- the not my president protests, there have been a number of other protests, if you will, a protest that had been sparked as a result of policy
denounced by this administration and, you know, it was interesting. tim's got one with him on friday in north carolina. the president has surrounded himself with the handful of african-americans, dr. ben carson is one of them as well, and hein cysts that these are the folks he is talking to about how to move forward. one of his senior advisers has said to me on a number of occasions, he very much wants to be part -- he very much wants to have part of his legacy be his relationship, specifically with african-americans in this country. remains to be seen precisely how he's going to do that. >> craig, we're going to pick up
this thread, too, with some of our panelists in the show as well. the president appeared somber. talk about his demeanor. talk about the attitude you picked up from the president, in your interview and as he made his way around the museum this morning. >> he did seem as if he'd been moved by some of what we've seen here this morning. this is actually my first time in the museum as well. and it's impossible not to be moved by some of these exhibits. he seemed as if he had been genuinely affected. we saw him looking at -- there's a display here in the basement of the museum, lunch counter display. and he stopped and he spent some time at the lunch counter display. he's spent some time looking at a segregated bus car redesigned segregated bus car. dr. carson also has -- he actually has an exhibit on the third floor, they were on their way to see dr. carson's exhibit,
but he talked about and i think some of the news conference about what he had seen here and and his wife melania was here and she spent a great deal of time looking around. this is something the president said he had been wanting to do and wanted to, he thought that black history month was the perfect time to do that. >> craig melvin there, still in the basement of the african-american history museum here in washington, making his way to the bureau. craig, thank you much wp we'. we'll see you when you get back here. i want to go to kristen welker. let's pick up where craig left off here, this idea that the president wants part of his legacy to be his relationship with members of the african-american community in this country. that said, he has had a notable lack of diversity in his
cabinet. when you look at the numbers, you when you look at the people surrounding him. you saw dr. ben carson ak rosa, who is someone we often see in the west wing. talk about how you see this visit playing out and reverberate around the country. >> i do think to some extent it fits into that broader narrower, which is the president wants a reset and i think that applies to the african-american communities of color. up heard a president who was very definitive today when he spoke about the contributions of the african-american community and in terms of deannouncing some of the anti-semitism and the uptick in terms of threats against jewish community centers. this was the most definitive we have heard him in terms of talking about that, both in his prepared remarks and in that interview with craig. so clearly this is an
administration that has gotten the message that to some extent, he has been off tone,ou will, in terms of discussing some of these very kr political issues, particularly in the wake of that press conference last week when he roiled a number of people because he didn't direct lif answer the question on anti-semitism, because of the conversation with april ryan where she asked him if he was going to meet with the congressional black caucus and he then asked her if shoo can and the question is what happens next? we do know that there are plans under way or discussions at the least this white house and the congressional black caucus for a meeting. that is going to be significant, sallie, if and when that happens. we also know the president is
working on an exwhen will we see that executive order? what will the con thaos be this is one step. >> as we talk about executive orders, i want to get to other news coming out of the west wing and white house where you are and that is some of his actions on immigration. what might we see later in the week? >> these are new guidelines. they are saying in the wake of the president passing some executive orders several weeks ago, here is how we're going to implement those executive orders. they're going to be bringing on about 10,000 more agents to help with deportations. they're going to be cracking down on parent who pay smugglers to bring their children aoss the border. they're also not going to have people who are brought over, who
are undocumented detained. those folks are going to be deported more quickly. so those are some of the changes and this is a president essentially trying to send the signal that he's going to get tougher on undocumented immigrants. now, we are still waiting for that executive order to be clarified in terms of how refugees are treated. according to an administration source, a draft of that executive order, which again has not been finalized, we want to stress that, would in fact halt travel from those same seven countries that the initial executive order halted travel from but it wouldn't indefinite live ban all syrian refugees. that's is the language so far but, again, it's a work in progress, and as you know, nothing is finalized until it comes out of the president's mouth. we expect we could learn more about that this week, hallie. >> thank you very much.
in the meantime we want to talk about what else the president is doing today. this is the fist tirst time we'e the president meeting with his first national security adviser. admiral, thank you for joining us here and for your patience as well as we've been following some of this breaking news this hour. let's talk about the new national security adviser. he is somebody that you know well. he is somebody who also has a history of speaking up when he's challenged. here very famously wrote "dereliction of duty." how is that kind of attitude going to play out with the president? >> i think it will go over reasonably well with the president. what i'm a little concerned about is what happens when lieutenant general mcmaster is on a track that is in
disagreement with other figures in the white house, notably steve bannon, who controversially is going to attend this first national security council principals committee meeting in the role of an actual participant. that's a brave new world and i think that's where you could see some collisions occurring, hallie. >> do you see lieutenant general mcmaster stepping back perhaps? or do you foresee that he will in fact continue to disagree and continue to speak his mind? how will that play out? >> this is a guy who won a silver star in one of the biggest tank battles of persian gulf war one. i was with him in iraq where he heroically led his brigade in decombat. this is a man who has seen a lot of stress and pressure. i don't see him backing down. i think he's smart enough to
work for win-wins but he will definitely speak truth to power. >> what does it say to you that he accepted this position? >> i think he's being a good soldier, as the saying goes. and i think that without question he views it as his duty. he's on active duty, unlike vice admiral bob harward, who was a retired three-star officer and i think really legitimately had choices. i don't see general mcmaster as having had a choice. i think he sees this as his new assignment, his new duty and his set of orders. that's why they call them orders when they send us somewhere, hallie. >> well, he's very outspoken as russia. he sees them as a threat, as an enemy. how do you see mcmaster being able to influence the president or change his mind in ways that
mike pence or nikki haley have not been able do. think this he'll use two tracks to do it. he'll talk about the history, culture, ambitions of russia as an entity in geo politics the second is he'll use evidence. he'll use fact-based persuasive arguments looking at russian activities in ukraine, syria, cyber, buzzing u.s. warships. i think he's got plenty of material to work with to try and change the president's track on russia. >> admiral, you've been following the action in munich, elsewhere on this hour, 24 hours ago we saw vice president pence speaking with the nato secretary-general. the vice president was asked by a reporter whether european allies should listen to him or to president trump. what does it say to you about the state of american leadership that that question even had to be asked? >> it is unfortunate and i'll give you another example, hallie, was our secretary of
defense jim mattis landing in iraq and essentially the first question he gets from the iraqi press is "are you here to seize our oil?" so we've got some ground we've got to make up in terms of international relations. i think vice president pence, secretary mattis both working hard, continng on in their travels. they know we've got work to do. >> admiral james stavridis, thank you so much for that perspective. coming up what do we expect from the homeland security guidelines. and happening right now, supreme court justices are considering just how far the constitution extends across the u.s./mexico border when it comes to deadly force. a lot to talk about after the break.
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world of human smuggling." kristen welker ran through some of the highlights of the new guidelines to you. what's the thing we need to take away from the new guidelines? >> we have the new dhs memos out officially here in the newsroom. 15,000 more agents, that is trying to bulk up patrols there out in the field. expediting the removal of undocumented immigrants, help from local police and sheriffs, that could be controversial. some say necessary, we can discuss. as well as enforcing penalties to parents linked to smugglers. you were discussing that with our own kristen welker. a few other highlights, there is an effort to count the amount of aid that goes to mexico for nonintelligence activities from the u.s. doesn't say why but given what president trump has said that, could be part of this ongoing debate over who gets what money and how to pay for the wall and then there is really important language in here that basically says it is time to look for any
available fund being out there right now to begin immediate planning, designing, impleme implementing of a border wall. one more point i want to make that's positive for the administration, we spend a lot of time in the chaos that came from the roll-out of the travel ban, from a policy and precedent perspective, it was a mess. whether you agree or disagree with what they're doing today, they are clearly doing it in a much more responsible inner agency process and that is a good thing. >> hipolito asta is on the other side of our screen. let me get your reaction to these new guidelines. overall is this an extra layer of security at the border or is it more red tape from the government? >> these are some of the things that donald trump promised the american people. it's nothing surprising, the catch and release policy, ending
th that, expediting removal. tha frankly, they've land the leadership over the past few decades to enforce immigration laws. >> let me ask you both about something happening now in front of the supreme court, this immigration case. walk us through what this is and hip lito, i want to get your reaction. >> this is a blockbuster case about how there can be force used, it stemmed from the obama administration when agents were trying to protect the border, doing what they say is the traditional good job they try to do but they ended up killing a 15-year-old unarmed teen-ager, who was actually across the border, that is to say he was in mexican national zone. his parents were trying to sue and the mexican government was
saying there should be some sort of extradition. neither of those things should happen. we talk a lot about the political debate and now the obama justice department and the trump justice department have the same position, which is, if you think about it, a pretty strong one. even in that situation, unarmed teen-ager, shot dead at the border, his parents should have no access to u.s. courts, no way to sue those individuals la allegedly responsible, a big case at the courthouse today. >> you're a long-time former border patrol agent. how do you see that case from the border patrol perspective? >> i work in that area where that unfortunate incident happened. i know every agent out there
values human life, when you have a 15-year-old kid out there in that area, cartels often use juvenile because of our lenient court system with juveniles. it's a very dangerous area. it's a very serious thing for our agents out there, they face risks each and every day and i think that's what the court will ultimately decide that the agent was actually doing his job. >> hallie, i know we're out of time. the one question that will be interesting to watch in court i have to flag is if this happened in the reverse, if a 15-year-old unarmed american was shot on the american side of the border by mexican agents what would people think? the courts have to be fair here. it's a hard question to wrestle with. >> what will happen is no different than what happened to that marine in san diego. mexicans will try to enforce the
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we are back now with a check of your morning headlines. president trump just last hour talked with nbc's craig melvin in that exclusive interview during the visit to the african-american museum of history and culture. president trump talked about his immigration ban and the recent rise in anti-semitic behavior in the u.s. he also addressed the racial divide in our country. >> i think it's just age old. there is something going on that doesn't allow it to fully heal. sometimes it gets better and then it busts apart. but we want to have it get very much better, get unified and stay together. but you've seen it where often times it will get much better and then it blows up. >> the president on that visit joined by his daughter ivanka,
dr. ben carson, senator tim scott and others for the tour. >> a new hampshire prep school graduate is back in court asking for a new trial on charges he used a computer to und-- for se. >> and to australia. police are trying to figure out what brought down that plane carrying four american tourists. it had taken off from an airport in melbourne just moments earlier. nobody survived the crash. >> an investigation this morning into nearly a dozen people now passing through an unattended security check point at j.f.k. airport. two people set it off.
the tsa reported the incident to airport police two hours after it happened with the tsa saying a canine team was present at the time of the incident and we are confident this presents minimal risk to the aviation transportation system. >> controversial breitbart editor milo has been pulled after video clips of him defending sexual abuse of minors. "i'm partly to blame, my own experience as a victim led me to believe i could say anything i wanted on this subject, no
matter what." >> whether we like it or not, he is a big voice in this movement and we believe our attendees can handle it and make their own judgments on whether or not they believe what a speaker is saying is accurate or inaccurate or being hateful. >> i want to bring in benjie. he said milo is a big voice. a big voice? >>y sort of began as a famous internet troll and would target what he called political correctness, talking about that feminism was ruining video games or ruining movies. he became also notorious for popularizing the alt-right,
which blatantly includes nationalists and anti-semites. milo does not say he's a member of the alt-right but he also has defended the alt-right for pretty offensive behavior, arguing it's ironic or edgy. let me give you an example of how this trolling side works with the race baiting side. milo sent a tweet in may at a rival conservative writer who left breitbart. it was the day his child was born. he wrote "prayers to ben who had to see his kid come out half black and already taller than he is," and then there was a picture of a black child. a lot of people would recognize this as race baiting but milo would argue this is ironic, you're just showing the limits of speech. and i think that's where a lot of the angst is here over his appearance.
>> even by talking about milo and putting him on a platform, a lot of people didn't even want him to be speaking at cpak in the first place, right? >> absolutely. well before this video aired, a lot of prominent conservative writers were very upset about this, including some members of the american conservative union's own board, which puts on c-pak. this was definitely a concern that went back before this video. >> and part of the reason he was invited to talk was because of of the speech at uc berkeley, we covered it earlier last month because of the violent protests from students. >> when i talked to matt schlap, he said this was very important.
there's a very distinctive reaction, even from many of milos critics, whoere calling on them to drophim, saying it's not good for free speech to have this behavior. but also they thought these protests give more attention to milo, which they don't like. when i talked to matt schlapp, he said there's a real so this was definitely an element here. >> benjy sarlin. >> and coming up, an exclusive interview hours after a jewish cemetery was vandalized and jewish communities face a wave of violent threats. we're talking about all of it
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i don't know if we've had time to even make a graphic but the statement says, "the president's sudden acknowledgement of anti-semitism is a band-aid on the cancer of anti-semitism that has affected his own administration. his statement today is a pathetic asterisk of condescension after weeks in which he and his staff have committed grotesque acts reflecti reflecting anti-semitism. make no mistake, the anti-semitism coming out of this administration is the worst we've ever seen from any administration, ending by saying when president trump respond pro actively and in realtime and without please and pressure, that's when we'll be able to say the president has turned a corner. this is not that moment."
when pressed about this very issue, the denunciation in which he was directly asked about this at a news conference, all of this coming ahead. in st. louis, vandalism at a jewish community center and new threat called into san diego just this morning. blake mccoy is on the ground following that part of the story. blake, talk us through this threat and what you're seeing in st. louis as well. >> yet another bomb threat called into a jewish community center this morning. this time in san diego, a call came in around 6:00 a.m., we're told the building was then cleared of staff. police came in, did not find a bomb and people were allowed to reenter. this is the latest in a string
of bomb threats at jewish community centers. more than 50. here at an historic jewish cemetery, nearly 200 head stones were damaged, many of them were toppled over. take a listen to people on the ground here. >> this is just awful. i cannot emergency such desecration occurring in a holy place like this. >> there's something really terrible about this kind of violence, and it couldn't have come at a more remarkable and difficult time for the jewish community. >> here in university city, missouri, no arrests have been made. we're told there is surveillance video here at the cemetery and police are going through it to see if it captured those responsible. as for those bomb threats, the fbi is leading that investigation. they're stopping short of calling it a hate crime saying they are looking at potential civil rights violations but the
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campaign spokesman rick tyler. rick, let's start with you. we've been plays pieces of the interview between president trump and our own craig melvin here. the president talking about anti-semitism, for example, denouncing it, though you heard the statement from the ann frank center saying that's not enough. rick, this is coming from somebody who for years was one of the drivers behind the birther movement against president obama. how credible are his comments now on trying to heal the nation in your view? >> well, i think it's something he'll have to overcome. the whole birther movement and saying that barack obama was somehow illegitimate and raising the idea he was not born in the united states and indeed born in kenya was something donald trump got started. he has a lack of credibility. i was glad to see he went to the museum today.
it's a powerful place to be and it tells a really provocative story of this country and one we have to acknowledge and he should experience. >> jamaal, do you buy what the president is putting out there? >> progress is good if the president really means it. if he is actually taking this in and feels it and speaking out. the problem is there are so many people that pay attention to this president, not just the word that come out of his words but the tone of the words. he comes out against an opponent in a tough way pu then you ask him questions about anti-semitism and racism but he doesn't come out as forcefully as he should. i hope he spent some toime in te lynching part of the museum. the officials at the time who were sort of supportive of this mob rule, they were undermining the courts and the systems
because they felt like you needed to have white assertion over these black people in the country. you need a government official to stand up and say this is wrong and he should learn something from that time period of our tragic history. >> also in that interview he talked a bit about immigration, some of his actions on that topic. i want to play you a little bit of what he said to craig. >> we have to have a safe country. we have to let people come in that are going to love the country. this is about love. this building is about love and we have to have people come into n that are going to love the country, not people that are going to harm the country. i think a lot of people agree with me on that. we'll have various things coming out over a period of time. we have to let people come in that are going to be positive for our country. >> what about the dreamers? >> we're going to try to teak ca -- take care of the dreamers very, very much. >> on the topic of immigration, you have dhs looking at the new
guidelines to beef up border security. is this something the democrats can get behind? >> the proof will be in the details. you have people who are very worried about themselves. they are registered, the daca dreamers. the one woman who was sent back to mexico and taken away from her two small children and being away for most of her life, this is something that really concerns a lot of the activists on this question is how will the government really take care of these folks and make sure they don't punish them for complying with president obama as order. >> i got to get your knack -- you have been critical in the past. does this one get your seal of approval? >> general mcmasters is an
intellectual. he puts truth to power, he wrote "dare election of duty," just his look, he's commanding. those hash tags on his arm tell me he was in combat. yeah, he gets my seal of approval. >> rick tyler and jamal simmons, thank you for joining me. there is lots of news. we're following it on this network and online. you can follow me on facebook, snapchat, instagram and twitter. a a ali velshi picks it up from here. >> the president denounced anti-semitism and talked about the racial divide in america. also this hour, the new national security adviser, lieutenant general h.r. mcmaster.
both sides of the aisle are praising the president's choice, but how is this outspoken general going to deal with trump's policies? and in australia, four americans killed in a plane crash into a mall. what we know about the victims and the investigationnd way rig -- under way right now. president trump formally denouncing act, of anti-semitism and promising to heal the racial divide in the country. here is that interview. >> let's just start with your general thoughts. i know this is your first time here on the museum. >> i think it's incredible, the job they've done, the smithsonian and, lonnie, the job that they have done is something really special. it's also a very big success. people love it. my wife was here two weeks ago. she couldn't stop talking about it. it's something that w