tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC March 6, 2017 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
now it's time your "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> thanks a lot, rachel. >> indeed. >> no, no, no. >> oh. >> i mean, thanks a lot, rachel. >> what? >> i was planning to sleep late tomorrow. look what you've done. 10:00 i have to be up. >> you know we have our 9:30 coffee date, anyway. come on. >> i'll get you the usual. >> all right. thanks, dear. >> thanks, rachel. in breaking health care news care plan is going public on capitol hill and already four republican senators are opposed to it. and after a weekend of reckless tweeting that once again brought donald trump's mental health into question, he is facing a new crisis in north korea and luckily president trump is doing what president obama told him to do. >> grandpa shuffled out of his room and got into his twitter again. >> i would describe him as not being a happy camper. >> the president firmly believes
that the obama administration may have tapped into the phones at trump tower. >> we're living in a period of insanity, quite obviously. >> there was no such wiretap activity. >> the former head of breitbart appears to be handing the president some fake news. >> obama's team used the pretext of russian interference in the election to justify wiretaps. >> the president cannot order a wiretap. >> to surveil members of the trump campaign. >> that's a voice to be believed. >> for those of you who believe he's crazy like a fox, no, he's not a fox. okay? >> the relevant question isn't so much what did the president know and when did he know it? as it is, is the president physically capable of knowing things at all? >> the president of the united states put his own reputation, the reputation of his predecessor and reputation of his nation at risk. the president of the united
states has no idea what to do. he is in over his head. he knows it. the world knows it. it could not be more obvious and instead of busily convening urgent meetings to try to figure out what to do, he wanders the white house and the beach house he retreats to every weekend at taxpayers' expense and he angrily tweets. those angry tweets are surely meant among other things to unburden himself of some of the anger he must, must direct at himself. for having no idea what to do. in their first meeting in november, president obama told president-elect trump that the most urgent and dangerous issue he would face on the first day of his presidency would be the north korean nuclear and missile programs and his presidency so far, donald trump has spent more minutes tweeting than he has spent on the north korean crisis. last night it happened again, authority korea once again tested the united states' tolerance for its developing weapons program. north korea challenged the united states and the president of the united states has said
nothing because he has absolutely no idea what to say. >> so north korea has nukes. japan has a problem with that. they have a big problem with that. maybe they would n fact, be better off if they defend themselves from north korea. >> with nukes? >> maybe it would be -- including with nukes, yes. >> the most ignorant presidential candidate in history who has now become the most ignorant president in history. that's what he had to say as a candidate. tonight, nbc news has learned the united states has begun shipping a controversial anti-missile system to south korea according to u.s. officials, the system called thaad which stands for terminal high altitude area defense, is an anti-missile system designed to counter a threat like that from north korea. president obama had previously indicated to south korea that the united states might deliver the thaad system to south korea. something he no doubt mentioned to donald trump when he was explaining the north korea issue to him. the japanese prime minister had
a phone conversation with donald trump today about north korea's latest provocation and we only know this because the japanese prime minister has told us. the president of the united states still has not said one word about this conversation. what you are about to hear from the president of the united states is coming to you not from the president, himself, not from anyone in the white house, but from the prime minister of japan. shinzo abe said in tokyo today, "i just had a phone conversation with president trump and we both agreed that the latest missile launch by north korea was a clear violation of the u.n. security council resolution and a challenge toward the region and to the international community. furthermore, we confirmed that the threat has reached a new level and from president trump, the president said that the united states is with japan 100% and he asked that i share this remark with the japanese public.
he also added that he wanted us to believe in him and in the united states 100%." no one in japan believes in donald trump 100%. no one in the united states believes in donald trump 100%. there's plenty of evidence that no one in his family believes in donald trump 100%. how could anyone in japan believe in donald trump even 1% after he expressed his admiration for someone who he says is a maniac but someone to whom trump believes he has to give credit? because like so many homicidal dictators before him, he figured out how to maintain a hereditary dictatorship. >> if you look at north korea, this guy, this -- i mean, he's like a maniac. okay? and you got to give him credit. how many young guys -- he was, like, 26 or 25 when his father died, take over these tough generals and all of a sudden, you know, it's pretty amazing when you think of it.
he goes in, takes over, he's the boss. it's incredible. >> yeah, how many young guys take over their father's business? become the boss. donald trump does love bosses. and to listen to him, it sounds like the more people the boss kills in russia or north korea, the more the boss impresses donald trump. donald trump has no idea what to do. and so he tweets. the press corps that was so convinced that donald trump had become presidential on tuesday night because he spent an hour sluggishly and oh so obviously reading a teleprompter filled with words that were not his own, that same press corps, that so embarrassingly fell for that performance tuesday night, was shocked. i mean, just shocked that donald trump woke up saturday morning and started tweeting sheer madness. didn't they know donald trump was going to do that to them? if you fall for saying on a tuesday that donald trump is
presidential because he read a teleprompter, don't you know that the clock is ticking on when he will unleash his madness in a way that will make you regret every word you left hanging out there about this utterly unpresidential man? you didn't know that? 6:35 a.m. saturday morning, terrible, just found out that obama had my wires tapped in trump tower just before the victory. nothing found. this is mccarthyism." oh, no. this is mccarthyism. congressman and trump supporter steve king tweeting "donald trump needs to purge leftists from executive branch before disloyal and illegal treasonist acts sink us." a word of warning to congressman king. senator joe mccarthy was censured by the senate and died a disgraced alcoholic.
so be careful, congressman king. what donald trump described in his tweet saturday morning was not mccarthyism. it was a night hair. i mean, literally a nightmare that a 70-year-old man had in the middle of the night as the pressures of his job sink him deeper and deeper into an angry realization that he does not know what to do. that trump tweet was a fevered dream. donald trump is only dangerous because he is president and radio host mark levin is only dangerous because donald trump is president. >> we have a prior administration, barack obama and his surrogates who were supporting hillary clinton and their party, the democrat party, who were using the instant mentalties of the federal government, intelligence activities, to surveil members of the trump campaign. >> mark levin learned his radio skills substituting for rush limbaugh.
in right wing talk radio, the money is where the madness lies and where limbaugh and levin go every day. mark levin is dangerous because he has the attention of the president of the united states who apparently believes mark levin the way he wants the japanese to believe him. 100%. the president doesn't believe the fbi. the president doesn't believe the intelligence professionals in the united states government. the most dangerous president in history. the most dangerous elected leader in the world has now come full circle in his political career all the way back to where he began. he is lying about president barack obama again. >> i have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding. >> you have people now down there searching in hawaii? >> absolutely. they cannot believe what they're finding. >> donald trump got away with that lie and learned everything h he needed to know about the political media in the process, how soft they can be in interviews, how he could exploit
their politeness by talking over them, talking fast. he knew all he had to do was fill up the interview speech with words and at the end of the allotted minutes, he could leave unscathed and so he did it for years. and not one trump interviewer ever shut him down on the president's birth certificate. then the most obvious lie told in american politics as long as anyone could remember. he got away with it. and when trump said he didn't want to talk about it anymore, his interviewers obeyed. they had to obey to get the next trump interview. which was the objective of every trump interview, to book donald trump again, to get the next trump interview to keep those ratings up. where was the political news media's shock over donald trump's first lie about president obama which they steadfastly refused to call a
lie while we called it a lie here on this program every time he said it? better late than never. there may be no other sanity-preserving way to look at the news media's 2017 reaction to donald trump's lies. now that he's president. those of us who made the mistake of believing the american news media was designed to prevent a pathological liar from becoming president have watched with mixed feelings as so many reporters and commentators have finally risen in resistance to the lies of donald trump. now that he is president. better late than never. the right thing to say to the new arrivals in american journalism in the resistance to donald trump's lies is, welcome, reinforcements are always welcome.
the first four years of this fight was a very lonely one. on the side of calling a lie a lie. when donald trump officially became a presidential candidate, the first reinforcements arrived but we were still a small group, and now every journalist is awake to the threat and that is very good news. the right thing to say is reinforcements are always welcome but the right thing to say isn't always easy to say. especially when you have to say it a year too late. joining us now, josh marshall, founder and editor of talking points memo. christopher dickey, world news editor for the daily beast and msnbc contributor. christopher, explosion out of mar-a-lago on saturday, once again, calls into question everything about the trump presidency, from competence to madness, to where is the staff that should be protecting america from this wildness?
to how does the cabinet work in a presidency with this kind of madness in it? i mean, this tweet goes to the jurisdiction of the attorney general. this tweet goes to the jurisdiction of the director of the cia. it goes to the direction of people who've already been confirmed into their jobs and they are all completely silent about this tweet. >> for the moment, they are. i mean, we know that the fbi director, mr. comey, decided that he wanted the justice department to push back on this which it hasn't done yet, of course. but i think it may not be quite as complicated as all that where trump is concerned. he's doing what a lot of liars do. he's saying exactly the thing that he's accused of. he's pushing on to other people. so, of course, he's in a position where they're looking at -- everybody's looking at his russian connections. so he wants to say that anybody who's looking at those russian connections must be bugging him. they must have been tapping his phone. i bet you there were some phones
calls were tapped, why mike flynn is no longer national security adviser. they were tapping the russian and trump's people were talking to the russians and that's the thing, that's the fact he wants to cover up. he wants to make this a plot by obama against him rather than a plot and collusion with the russians to win the election. >> let's listen to some republican reaction to this from marco rubio and others. >> i have no insight into what exactly he's referring to, and i'd imagine the president and the white house in the days to come will outline further what was behind that accusation. >> you never know when you turn a corner what you may or may not see, but thus far, i have not seen anything directly that would support what the president has said. >> well, clearly the executive branch of government spying on a political party or the candidate, it would be very troubling.
but, you know, at this point, there's no proof of that. >> and josh, now there are other republicans saying, well, let's have an investigation about it. let's put our investigative resources on the latest middle of the night fevered dream by the president. >> well, i think the -- everything, chris, you just said is right. the bigger picture that i see is donald trump sees this debacle that his presidency is 40 or 45 days in, whatever we are, and he's thinking, why is it going so badly? and why do people still not like me? which is the -- these are the things that motivate him. so you have the toteties around him, steve bannon, all these different people, saying, well, it's the deep state. that's why it's going so badly. because as improbable as it may sound, barack obama is still somehow controlling things and he's making -- he's making your presidency go badly and the cia
and the fbi is filled with liberals who are also making things go terribly for you. and they're coming up with -- i mean, i saw dana rohrabacher a couple days was talking about the military industrial complex and talking about the deep state which, of course, used to exist in turkey, but in the u.s., it's always been something that's sort of a part of -- a critique from the sectarian left. so they're just grasping but they each need to come up with something to explain. here's why it's going badly. it's not because you had no idea what you were doing and we -- it's just a disaster. so and that is a kind of a dangerous toxic situation because you start seeing it escalating, well, we need to have a purge because -- >> yes. >> -- the deep state is what's causing -- >> that's steve king -- >> -- this purge. you've got a pretty dangerous dynamic going on. >> but there's a really interesting question in the center of what you just said.
there's a presumption in everything you just said that donald trump thinks the presidency is going badly. i wish we could be sure of that, that he recognizes that this is going badly. what if he doesn't? and here's a reason to suspect he doesn't think it's going badly. because we have reports that sunday morning, he was absolutely thrilled that the news media had exploded in outrage over his insane tweet about barack obama wiretapping trump tower. he thought, this is absolutely great. so a weekend that the rest of the world thinks is terrible for trump coverage, he seems to think is great for trump coverage. >> lawrence, what's his favorite word? ratings is his favorite word. you used it. that's what he really cares about. it's the variation on the idea of just spell my name right. as long as he's getting ratings, getting the attention, i think you're right, he thinks his presidency is going pretty well.
what i wonder an, how about the people he brought into the cabinet? some of them pretty capable. remember rex tillerson? where the hell is he? what is he doing? his state department is a complete shambles and he's virtually disappeared. mattis, we think he's a good general and good secretary of defense. is this a cabinet that can withstand the lunacy of this president? i don't think so. and are they the deep state? he appointed them. >> josh, in the last completely unhinged presidency, the end of the nixon presidency, we had henry kissinger -- we had henry kissinger in the white house with nixon in the middle of the night, nixon drunk staring at portraits of fomer presidents and talking to them. kissinger communicating to the outside world, communicating to the major media, i got everything under control, in effect. and to a great extent, "the new york times," "washington post," outlets like that, believe in that, accepting that.
there's no one -- is there anyone, i should say, in the trump white house who could possibly play that kissingerian role to the outside world, to a "new york times," to a "washington post," say don't worry, here's how it's being stabilized inside? >> i think the answer's no. >> right. >> the people who have that kind of access are people who have virtually no experience of doing this kind of job. and to the extent that they have experience or some sense of wherewithal, there are people who like the disruption, like the chaos, people like steve bannon -- >> it's all they know. >> it's all they know and actually what they want. no, i don't think there's anything like that and at least, i mean, by the time you get to late 1973, 1974, nixon has really kind of come apart. he may have started off as a bad guy but started off as a very competent bad guy and had people around him -- >> and very, very steady. >> exactly. and you just have -- you just have nothing like that.
i mean, when he -- when i saw the tweets about president obama, you know, in the nixon movie with anthony hopkins, they portray that moment where he sort of, like, railing at the portrait of john f. kennedy. you know, the president who -- his great opponent who everybody loved and whose kind of adulation he desired. that struck me as similar with obama. he's kind of railing at the guy, why can't people love me like obama? >> yes, without the drunkenness. >> he's going to find lots of people who still love him. there are people who love him and who will believe everything he says about obama. >> a president needs a majority. he's not close to that. josh marshall, christopher dickey, thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. coming up, top lawmaker is, of course, worried about donald trump's ability to discern fact from fiction. welcome to that club. and we have breaking news. the house republicans have released their health care plan and they only lost four
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president-elect at the time or as a candidate or against his campaign. >> you would be told this. >> i would know that. >> it was there was a fisa court order. >> something like this, absolutely. >> you can't confirm nor deny whether that whists? . >> i can deny it. >> there is no fisa court warrant? >> not to my knowledge. >> of anything at trump tower. >> no. >> that was the big interview over the weekend. joining us now, former fbi intelligence operative, author of "how to catch a russian spy." worked as a double agent for the fbi. also joining us, david corn, the washington bureau chief for mother jones. and a double agent for msnbc. navid, i meant to say a political analyst for mmsnbc. that's his cover. you heard it all now, from the trump tweet that began the weekend from what clapper had to say yesterday, all the white
house spokespeoples' muddled responses to this, translate it all into what you're thinking tonight. >> i think the dni, clapper's response, was very, very narrowly focused and i took it to mean literally that he was denying that there was a wiretap on donald trump. i think that his response leaves in play everything else we've suspected from manafort to roger stone to the fact that, look, we know that there is a intelligence investigation with regards to what the russians did to the election. to me, it's 1% of the 99% of what we're waiting to hear, what exactly did the russians do, who did they talk to, was there collusion? the dni didn't shoot down any of these theories. >> naveed, you're saying that what clapper said clearly was that there was no wiretap which is the most old-fashioned possible term for what we're talking about on trump tower on donald trump.
>> correct. >> but you're saying he distinctly left open the possibility that there was, deliberate and authorized, electronic surveillance of people like roger stone, paul manafort and others around donald trump, possibly general flynn, who were known to have some kind of contacts with russian authorities. >> that is exactly it, lawrence. i mean, i think, again, he did mention title 3 which is investigation. what he did not mention is title 10 and title 5 which covers espionage, which covers intelligence collections. we know we were listening to the russians as we saw with michael flynn. it's very possible within the sort of pedestrian collection of information that we may have swept up information on flynn, on manafort. it's so -- he not addressing that to me is a very clear sign that, you know, that door is still very much open.
>> david corn, your reading of where it stands now. >> i think we have multiple investigations going forward. we know the house and senate intelligence committees are investigating. we also know they're led by republicans who were not happy to be looking at the trump/russian connections. so i always question whether anybody can do a good job if they're not enthusiastic about it. we know they've been part of the white house spin efforts in the past to sport of push back own on some of the stories about the trump/russian connections. we know the fbi has been mounting some sort of investigation maybe counterintelligence, probably counterintelligence, not necessarily criminal. we also know house senate members have not gotten the information they want from the fbi on what those investigations entail. that's going to have to come out through the house and senate investigations or select committee investigation or an independent investigation if those other investigations don't function properly. there's a lot to be learned.
a lot to go on. we do know that the trump campaign has routinely lied dealing with this issue. put aside the crazy, you know, false tweets trump put out this weekend in some, you know, act of derangement, the trump campaign has said again and again and again there's not been any contacts during the campaign between people associated with the trump campaign and russians. well, we know from the "washington post" reporting on michael flynn that his conversations with the russian ambassador began before the election. so then and there, you have blowing out, you know, this story that the trump team has told. we don't know what those conversations entailed but i think that'd be a key part of any investigation. you know, carter page, j.d. gordon, foreign policy advisers to trump, were talking to russians. we know paul manafort was caught talking to russian intelligence whether he realized it or not. so everything the trump campaign has basically said to us up
until this, you know, orgasmic tweet fest about obama being the one to blame, has been untrue and it's going to continue to be untrue. >> this morning, general michael hayden, former director of the cia and the nsa, was asked to speculate about the madness of these tweets this weekend and speculating about the madness of a president is not easy and it's not common and none of us have practice doing it because we've never been asked about it before. general hayden's best guess was, as he put it, the president of the united states put his own reputation, the reputation of his predecessor and reputation of his nation at risk, in order, as he put it, to manipulate the news cycle." naveed, when you see this kind of behavior out of president trump, is there a professional lens that you can use to look at it and try to divine motivation? >> it's crazy. i wish -- i don't know exactly
how to bring logic into this. i mean -- >> right. >> -- whether it's a distraction, whether it's just someone who truly believes something that is really based on vapor, i don't know. what i do know, though, is that, look, we've heard it time and time again. president obama, you know, you cannot executive order 12 triple 3. the intelligence community cannot collect intelligence on u.s. persons. you need a warrant. and if such a warrant exists, you know, the president as in this position can find out about it, he doesn't need to go onto twitter to do so. this whole thing, i don't know exactly how to bring logic or reason to it. >> well, if you could, you'd be the first one. naveed jama lirks li, david corn, thanks for joining us tonight. >> sure thing. coming up, breaking legislative news of the night. house republicans have released their overall plan to replace the affordable care act. and they have only lost the support of four republican senators already. and donald trump's support is in
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ball for you, how does this plan stack up to the donald trump that we just heard? >> it doesn't do anything like it but the first thing to understand about this plan is that it is exactly what the president said they were not going to do which is repeal immediately and replace later. this, basically nothing really happens in this suggestive law until 2018 and the really bad stuff doesn't happen until 2020. to get to your question -- >> give me an example of what happens in 2018, what happens in 2020. >> what happens right now is the mandates go away. that's basically pretty much all. >> right. >> and the taxes go away. >> the revenue that the bill collects goes away. >> all the revenue the bill collected will go away. the subsidies on the obamacare exchanges continue exactly as they are now only they're going to go up because premiums are
going to continue to go up and they're going to go up especially higher because without the mandate, young people won't sign up which will make the risk pool riskier. >> that's the socialism in it. those subsidies are the socialism in this thing. we got to get that out of there right away if republicans, don't we? >> they don't get it out right away which blows a big hole in the deficit. you keep the subsidies until guess when? after the 2018 congressional elections. supposedly in 2020, now, it could be it slides past 2020 so they don't even take the hit on the subsidies until after the presidential election. so they have not repealed obamacare until the earliest, some parts of it 2018, the really nitty-gritty stuff in 2020. that's when they roll back medicaid -- >> even with them leaving that much of it in place temporarily, they're losing four republican senators as of tonight who say
they're off this thing if you don't maintain the medicaid expansion that president obama put in obamacare. you have rand paul saying today that he had a conversation with the president about the bill and the president doesn't sound committed to anything in it. he sounds flexible. and that's exactly what the president cannot sound like if the republicans are trying to get you to vote for this thing. >> he's a little distracted. give him a break. >> i guess so. >> but the simple fact is that none of this really happens until later on except the end of all the taxes that pay for the subsidies. so if you're worried about the deficit, this is a disaster. if you're -- >> republicans have given up that whole deficit. >> -- wants to repeal obamacare, this is not what they're going to like and they lost the four senators because they're not stupid and they don't think their constituents are stupid. so if you tell people you're going to lose all that medicaid, in 2020, no senator is going to like that including the
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after my confirmation in 1882, i apprenticed to become a barber. i emigrated in 1885 in my 16th year. in america i carried on my business with ddiligence, discretion and prudence. god's blessing was with me and i became rich. i obtained american citizenship in 1892. in 1902, i met my current wife. sadly, she could not tolerate the climate in new york and i went with my dear family back to calstadt. the town was glad to have received a capable and productive citizen. my old mother was happy to see her son, her dear daughter-in-law and granddaughter around her. she knows now i will take care of her in her old age. we're confronted all at once as if by a lightning strike from fair skies, with the news that the high royal state ministry has decided that we must leave our residence in the kingdom of bavaria. we were paralyzed with fright. our happy family life was
tarnished. my wife has been overcome by anxiety and my lovely child has become sick. why should we be deported? this is very, very hard for a family. what will our fellow citizens think if honest subjects are faced with such a decree? not to mention the great material losses it would incur? i would like to become a bavarian citizen again. in this oths urgent situation, i have no other recourse but to turn to our adored, sovereign lord, ex-aulted ruler, tried so many tears, ruled so beneficially and justly and wisely and softly and is warmly and is deeply loved, with the most humble request that the highest of all will, himself, in mercy dane to allow this applicant to stay in the most
gracious kingdom of brandvaia. your most humble and obedient. freedrick trump." donald trump's grandfather describing the horrors of depor deportation. in a letter we believe donald trump has never read. unfortunately for fedrick trump, he was deported. he resumed his life in the united states where unfortunately for the world his grandson is now president. today donald trump issued a new executive order on banning entry to the united states from six countries. he removed iraq from the original list of seven countries. the new executive order will be in effect in ten days. it has been rewritten in attempts to conform to all of
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lying in the way that he does it, repeated, dangerous lying, makes him unfit and is a sign of serious mental disturbance. and to the extent he doesn't know reality, and i agree, by the way, i don't think he does know reality, clearly, he doesn't have a clear grasp of it because he changes it, he makes up reality to suit his internal needs. >> that was former harvard medical school professor lance dodus. we're joined now by indera, and steve brill is back with us.
the question that won't go away, and how does the media deal with this question? that's the first stage of it because the world has to figure out how to deal with this question. >> well, you're absolutely right, lawrence, to point out that this is not a new question. this is a question that surfaced last year even among journalists who had been at one point boosters of donald trump or given him favorable interviews. let's not forget joe scarborough got a lot of inch for saying donald trump was unhinged and questioning his sanity and there were reams and reams of articles written last year questioning whether he was a textbook narcissist or sociopath. i mean, i think the larger question here, we're not, you know, we're journalists, we're not psychologists or psychiatrists, i think more important question is his grip on reality. i think the really important thing journalists have to do is interrogate the facts. if he's going to between 3:00 anding a in the morning putting
out a five-tweet storm about watergate, making allegations about what would be a felony if obama had done it, and, you know, we now find out that james comey of the fbi actually tried to get the justice department to deny it and we know that dni clapper said no, that never happened, so i think the journalists have to ask the question, okay, what is the proof, mr. president? what is the proof that you are going to attach to these allegations that you're making? and the worrisome thing, he seems to be depending on these conspiracy theoristsalex jones of infowars and mark levin you were showing earlier in the show and people being picked up in breitbart news. that is worrisome if the president is relying not on intelligence briefings from professionals but on right-wing media sites with conspiracy theorists. it's like the birther thing. we have to go back to that. maybe that wasn't some clever political trick. maybe he truly believed that. >> steve, we went through the
entire election year, i was unable to book psychologists, psychiatrists on the show, had a previous rule they're not supposed to diagnose in public. some of them just broke that rule, saying there's a higher authority rule here which must be conformed here, the duty to warn, warn people they could be harmed by someone who they see as damaged and that has what brought out the psychiatrists. >> one, remember the book "the final days"? >> yes. >> when we found out nixon was talking to -- >> talking to the portraits drunk in the white house late at night. >> well, we need them to be doing that but not waiting for a book. that stuff has to be going on. you want to know what the conversation was on saturday morning when the first of the president's aides, you know, spoke to him said, hey, i saw you tweeted something, what was that about? >> so you just raised a
fascinating ethical dilemma, the woodward and bernstein model was we work for the "washington post," collect this information, doesn't become public until the book comes out a year or two years later. you're saying if there's an obligation if you find that material now to reveal it? >> yes, in fairness to them, i assume they didn't get a lot of their information until hixon nixon was on his helicopter and gone. >> yes. >> the second reaction, the only way this is going to be addressed and needs to be addressed is if the republicans don't look away. they continue to look away. they're the ones with the credibility. they're the ones in the room a lot of the time. nixon left when barry goldwater and other republicans went to the white house and said you got to go. these republicans have to start talking about the 25th amendment. >> yeah. it always has to come from the president's party and the 25th p fascinating. we'll do it again. thank you both for joining us tonight. the 11th hour with brian
williams starts right now. >> and what about republicans, they are hard pressed to defend. the 11th hour begins now. good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. day 45, the begin ofg week number 7 of the trump administration. ideally this monday at the white house and thus this broadcast on a monday night should have focused on health care and immigration but that's not the case. around 6:30 in the morning on saturday in addition to attacking the host of the tv show apprentice the presiden