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something that it was not. this today was not just, you know, a man at home in his -- a man in an environment where he feels comfortable. this was the start of what will be a huge yearlong fight. they presented this as a done deal today. a lot of people reported it as a done day. this was day one of what will be an epic battle on climate. that does it for us tonight. lit's -- now, it's time for the "last word" with lawrence o'donnel. just how clean clean coal is. which, of course, what donald trump has been trying to promote with that executive order. >> nobody is better than talking about that stuff with bill ny. >> let's just say you can't use it like bathtub soap. >> i'll let you take really creepy baths. >> thanks, rachel. >> thank you. >> well, as we said, the president went to the epa today,
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just reported to sign an executive order all about promoting clean coal, no amount of science guy will give us reading on that. john, former acting director along with cia, the chief of staff, they'll discuss the latest twists and turns in the devin nunes scandal, which also seems to be a paul ryan scandal. >> should devin nunes recuse himself. >> he won't tell us what he learned. >> meetings are being cancelled. we have done no business this week. >> he needs to step down. it's a little by izarre. >> we never talk about sources. >> he's not willing to tell the democrats, who you met with. >> i never asked of you. >> you could well be the sacrificial lamb that this white house is looking for.
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>> what we're seeing is the effective covert operation that russia has carried out. >> i think it would serve us all well if he recuse himself from the russia issue. >> thank you. >> chairman intelligence devin nunes is in the middle of publicly to cover up we've ever seen, he's not in it alone. paul ryan is doing everything he can to help him. everything about this is an ept beginning with the simple fact that it is public, cover ups are not suppose to be public and you're not suppose to help publicly identify exactly, exactly what you want to cover up the most. >> we're not going to ever talk about any of that. >> that is the clearest answer
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devin nunes about what he wants to keep covered up. to many other questions, he's given general answers like this one. >> so you're not going to tell the committee who your source is? >> we never talk about sources of ethics. i wouldn't expect you to do that either. you guys are so infatuated with sources. >> there you go, that's the kind of general deflecting answer you're suppose to give when you're in the middle of a cover up, when you're trying to cover up who presented you some classified information that you then presented to the president, you just give general about never revealing sources when you're asked about that. when it is discovered the place you examine this classified information is somewhere on the white house grounds when you're asked how you entered the white house grounds, you don't jump up and down and say that's the most important thing of this whole thing, if you find out that you'll find out everything,
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which is basically what devin nunes meant when he answered that question. >> can you tell us your source at the white house? >> we're not going to ever talk about any of that. >> as i said, devin nunes is in way over his head. when you're covering something up, you never say we're not ever going to talk about any of that you give general diversionary answers, when you're the speaker of the house and you decide who gets to chairman and the person who has chosen to be on the committee, when that chairman gets in trouble, you publicly rush to his defense. you say this is outrageous. you say he's doing the best possible job any chairman of the intelligence committee has ever done. not paul ryan, he is afraid to
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talk about devin nunes. afraid. he would rather talk about the most legislative failure any speaker of the house ever had, his first big bill as speaker. the trump ryan health care bill. that health care bill is the single biggest public professional embarrassment in paul ryan's life, and he would rather talk about that now and has said more publicly about that than he has said about devin nunes and that scandal. and the reason paul ryan is afraid of talking about the devin nunes, is because the way over his head chairman put paul ryan dead center in this scandal on the first day when he told reporters something none of them have noticed that first stop that he made before going to see the president at the white house, was paul ryan's office.
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>> why would you not discuss this with the ranking member before you came to the white house? >> so yes, no, and i'm going to be meeting with mr. shift to talk about where we go to this investigation. i had to brief the speaker first. >> i had to brief the speaker first. this is the third time that i have showed that video of devin nunes putting speaker ryan in the dead center of this scandal on day one and i don't know what i have to do to get any reporters to notice this, including the ones who were standing there in the white house driveway and heard him saying that. since he said that, devin nunes has done full length interviews on cnn and fox news with print reporters and not one of them not one of them has asked him about what he said to paul ryan and what paul ryan said to him before he went to the white house. maybe if we put a breaking news
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baener that says nunes went to ryan first, someone might ask paul ryan about that. someone might ask devin nunes about that. they both have permanent invitations to come on this program to talk about it. for some reason they seem to be busy every night at this hour. today, casey hunt got close. she was a breath away from that question, when she got this much out of paul ryan on the questions of the day. >> should devin nunes recuse himself from the russia investigation. two, do you know the source of his information? >> no. and no. >> can you talk about exactly what you mean. [ inaudible question ] >> see how fast he ran away from that. wants to talk about health care. no and no. next reporter's question was about health care. that's the first hint of what paul ryan would say under noet
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-- -- casey hunt got us a peak into what paul ryan would say about his conversation with devin nunes before devin nunes went to the white house. he would say that he did not ask or devin nunes did not tell him the source of devin nunes's information. that's something. that's the closest we've got, to the secret meeting that devin nunes had with paul ryan before his meeting with the president. it's secret only because he didn't hear it in the driveway of the white house. paul ryan now has to deal with his first republican member of the house. he said devin nunes should recuse himself today. devin nunes scandal is the paul ryan scandal. that's why paul ryan is not ordering devin nunes to recuse
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himself because he's in this thing as deep as devin nunes is. if devin nunes can lose his chairmanship over it then paul ryan can lose his speaker ship over it. speculation among staffers on the intelligence committee is that michael ellis is the source of the intelligence information nunes saw. this report says that he's a lawyer that works for him on the intelligence panel and who was recently hired to work on national security matters at the white house council's office and spokesman for nunes declined to comment on whether he was involved in providing information to nunes. so now we have a name to ask devin nunes about. was your source michael ellis? >> we're not going to ever talk about any of that. >> former acting director of the cia and jeremy bash, msnbc
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national security analyst and former chief of staff to leon when he was director and the defense department. john, your reading on where this story stands tonight, what makes sense to you in this story if anything and what doesn't make sense to you? >> well, there are more things that don't make sense than things that do make sense, what makes sense to me at this point is if we were to add up the things we know, we know russia did interfere with our election. when you look at all of the things that are going on now that are quite mysterious, you're driven to think, it feels like a cover up if you're a novelist trying to write a cover up would look like, it would look pretty much like this. i think we're at the point where it's really important to get to the bottom of this and increasingly i doubt that that can be done through the
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intelligence committees. and i think chairman nunes's actions here have pretty much neutralized his committee as an effective overseer on this issue, and perhaps on other issues, as well. >> do you believe that the chairman should recuse himself or be removed? >> i certainly believe he should recuse himself but i don't think that that is going to in and of itself make this committee a worthy committee to carry out this investigation. i've been the subject of congressional oversight for 30 years in my time and government and i've watched it carefully since leaving government. i don't remember anything quite as bizarre of what we're seeing now. i don't think it's much of an exaggeration in this case, the oversight system has, essentially, broken down, which is a serious thing, they're overseeing the secret activity of the united states. it's one of the most important
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things congress does. >> jeremy bash, the forgotten link in the chain for day vinn nunes that day is paul ryan, he said clearly in the white house driveway, he first went to paul ryan before going down to the white house anyone who is working with congress knows when a chairman or member of congress goes to the speaker, everything that person does after that is sanctioned by and/or ordered by the speaker that everything you see after that is the intent of the speaker, which is why they go there. they want the cover of the speakers agreement of what to do next. what do you see in the sequence that nunes has revealed so far. what else do you see. >> well john said correctly that the effect of chairman nunes's actions was to neutralize the ability to oversight. i will go a step further, it wasn't the effect, it was the purpose and the purpose of his actions was to neutralize the
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committee's effective oversight. because what was clear to chairman nunes and the white house after last monday's hearing when jim comey testified. there was a fuel repute yags of donald trump's claim and there was a public announcement that the fbi now has donald trump's inner circle under an active fbi counter intelligence and criminal investigation for coordinating with russians during the campaign and beyond. and that was an unlitigated disaster for the president and allies on the hill for everything else they're trying to accomplish. it would make sense that devin nunes would try to slam the brakes. he did it and swerved the entire oversight process out of its lane and really into a ditch. let's listen in on what was said about this. >> he's gone off on by himself and inspector investigation here, he's not willing to tell
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the democrats on the committee who he met with and what he was told and i think he's lost his ability to lead. >> you think it was appropriate that he went to go view these so-called intelligence reports on white house grounds? >> well, i think there needs to be a lot of explaining to do. i've been around for quite a while and i've never heard of any such thing. >> is that the consensus among people who have been around like john mccain and yourself, in terms of the particulars of the chairman's behaviors, he gets some communication, but then brings him to the white house in order to examine it. does that -- is that something you ever heard of before. >> no, that makes no sense and as i think back over chairman that i worked with of both parties, i can't imagine any one of them doing something like this. let's go to 30,000 feet here. i think -- there's more than just a game being played here. this is, in a way, a threat to
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our checks and balances system in our democracy. there's too much comingling here between the white house and the oversight function, the congress. the congress is there for a reason. it's to oversee the work of the executive branch, hopefully in a constructive way, but not in a i way that amounts or at least appears to be collusion to effect the out come of that oversight. and that, essentially, is going to the heart of our checks and balances system in our democracy and in turn, therefore, i think posing a threat to democratic practice in this country. >> when you see that included in devin nunes's schedule for that day that he worked out in the speaker's office, presumably, was first of all talk to the press on capitol hill saying that you're going down to the white house, then go down to the
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white house, present this to the president, then talk to the press again in the driveway, all of that taking place before there's a word or a hint to the ranking democratic member on the committee or to any other members of the committee or apparently even staff of the committee. >> and that violates the protocols, the traditions, and the approach that the intelligence committee has taken since its history. sure, there have been times of partisan scrambling, but nothing where the chairman has purposefully thwarted the members of the other committee from seeing the same information, understanding the basis for an accusation and engaging in effective and constructive oversight. i think, really, what needs to be focused on, lawrence, tonight, are the 17 days. the 17 days between the time that sally yates, as the acting attorney general went to don mccain the white house cancel
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who then told the president that mike flynn was lying to the president, between that time january 26 and february 13th, the day that mike flynn was forced out and fired, what happened during those 17 days. the reason why i raise that window of time is because that's what sally yates was to testify about today at the hearing that was suppose to happen today. she was going to tell the story of exactly what she told the white house and by all accounts, what she was going to say about those 17 days did not, at all, comport with the white house's official version. so we need to hear from sally yates, we need to have the gag order on sally yates lifted so she can tell the congress, the overseers of the american public, what happened. >> and jeremy bash, thank you for your invaluable experience and insight on this subject tonight. really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. >> coming up, the trump administration cannot get away from stories about campaign staff, transition team staff being tied to foreign countries.
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now we can add some law, jared kushner who has already been tied to foreign countries in some stories, now there's more. the president may have learned there's another branch of congress that has to go to work in order to get things done. now, he's thinking he might be able to work with the democrats. when you've been making delicious natural cheese for over 100 years like kraft has, you learn a lot about people's tastes. honey, what do you want for dinner tonight? oh, whatever you're making.
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department officials. he meat with countless individuals, that was part of his job. that was part of his role. >> the russian bank has confirmed the meeting with jared kushner, but said it was in his role as head of his family's real estate company. former donald trump campaign manager paul manafort who has agreed to testify about his ties to russia is now under scrutiny for his financial dealings as we just heard richard ingle tell u.s. treasury officials are looking into his banking transactions in cypress. also today, new york public radio station, paul manafort has engaged a series of puzzling real estate deals in new york city over the past 11 years. real estate and law enforcement experts say some of these transactions fit a pattern used in money laundering. together they raise questions about manafort's activities in the new york city property market while he also was consulting for business and political leaders in the former
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soviet union. joining us now, andrea be bernstein. senior editor here in new york and paul, national security correspondent for the "wall street journal." let's start with you on this manafort breaking news today about what he's been doing in the real estate business in new york city. >> well, the real estate in new york, as you know, is extremely expen t expensi expensive. for this reason, it has attracted a lot of foreign investment and the treasury department had to look at these transactions where shell companies, you don't know much about, purchase a apartments for all cash and then maybe sometimes down the line, sell or transfer into someone's name and then mortgage them out for a lot of money. that's what paul manafort did three times, once in trump tower and twice elsewhere in new york city. so there's nothing, per se, i
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illegal about that and a lot of people do that and given the pile up of questions. >> did he do it and then was the mortgage money then going to paul manafort? >> correct. so the apartments were bought by companies, transferred into his name, later, for example, in 2006 when manafort began doing business, that's when the llc tied to him bought his trump tower apartment in 2015, just a little bit before the trump campaign got going. he transferred the apartment into his name and then borrowed $3 million against that. he did that all over the city. and the experts that we said to -- we spoke to said, well, that looks strange and it looks strange because of the type of practice and it also looks strange because of the other pieces of the puzzle that we have about paul manafort, doesn't mean it's illegal, but they said it deserves scrutiny. >> and this pattern is something without any reference to
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manafort, people have been looking for this kind of pattern in the new york real estate market as a way of laundering giant piles of cash, including from drug barrons and all sorts of people with massive amounts of cash around the globe. >> that's right. because it's such an easy way to park money. as the u.s. has been stable and other countries haven't been, a lot of foreigners have looked to new york to park money, some of them with any manefarious purpo. 30% of these transactions are suspicious and warrant more investigation. >> jared kushner, what do you expect him to testify to when he does testify? >> i think he's going to be asked about the content of this meeting. what we know the white house characterized it with routine meeting with this bank. they've said that sanctions were not discussed at the meeting they said it was specifically not a business meeting. on the other hand, the russian bank has said that it was its
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ceo visiting the u.s. and promoting the bank's new strategy. they said that they met with jared kushner in his capacity as ceo of kushner companies at the time. there does seem to be some room between those two explanations. i think he'll be asked to explain why he decide today meet with the ceo of this bank, what exactly was discussed at that meeting and particularly, whether or not sanctions were discussed. >> this is someone who in the middle of transition, when you consider how vast his portfolio was and all the other meetings he was sitting in on with the president elect, to make time for any particular meeting, it would have to somehow be worth his time. >> right. what we know is that the russian ambassador held a meeting with kushner, as well as michael flynn, who would later become national security adviser, subsequently, asked to set up this meeting between the head of
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the russian state development bank and jared kushner. so the question is, why did they say yes to that meeting, was it a favor to the russian ambassador, if so, why did they feel like they should be doing favor to the russian ambassador, or was it seen this could be a good contact. why was that meeting agreed to? and specifically, what was discussed during the meeting. the reason that it's a big question, what was discussed during the meeting is because as you mentioned, this bank was under u.s. sanctions at the time. it's owned by the russian government. and the kremlin, essentially, uses this bank to carry out various political projects it wants to do off the federal budget. for example, the olympics complex was funded in large part by this bank. the airport was built with credit from this bank. and this bank was effected very seriously by the sanctions that the u.s. placed on it over the conflict in ukraine, because that, essentially, dried up its
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foreign funding, the foreign funding it was able to raise on public markets through bond issues and then when the russian economy went south, the bank needed a government bailout which happened over millions of dollars last year. >> is the russian money a new york story. is this just a new york phenomenon and they're here and they're buying everything. prior to the trump campaign, all you heard about was to casual russian billionaire who would buy to casually expensive apartment. it seems like everybody in trump tower had some business with somebody in russia. >> right. we have been looking specifically at trump tower because it's the president's house. what we find is this pattern of shell companies, all up and down through the towers, maybe 60 stories, maybe less, depending on how you count. but it's something that -- there's kurc
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there's currently a lawsuit saying you can't have foreign interest owning these properties they're paying monthly may n maintenance condo fees. >> you can't accept a payment from a foreign government, at least two companies, and maybe more in trump tower are, perhaps owned by foreign government. that's one of the thing that is we're examining and that's actually how we found out about the paul manafort, by starting to look at trump tower. >> go to that one thing, you stumble off. andrea and paul sony, thank you both for joining us. i appreciate it. >> up next, donald trump wants to work with the senator who he once called a clown. no, not one of those republican senators that he ran against in the primaries, a democratic he called a clown a couple of weeks before the inauguration. the democratic senator who happens to be a minority leader of the united states senate. my business was built with passion...
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after conservative republicans stopped a vote over the health care. he says he's now ready to work with democrats on major legislation on things like tax reform and tonight he invited all senators, and their spouses to reception at the white house, 43 of the 52 republican senators
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attended and 18 of the 48 democrats attended. >> i had some very special friends in this room, especially, i must tell owe you have the democrats. i know we'll make a deal on health care, i have no doubt that's going to happen very quickly. i think it's going to happen. we'll talk about infrastructure. we'll talk about fixing up our military, which we really need. hopefully it will start being bipartisan because everybody really wants the same thing. we want greatness for this country that we love, so i think we're going to have some very good relationships right, chuck, i see chuck, hello chuck. >> joining us now austin goolsby, former chair, he's currently a professor at the university of chicago. wilson, republican strategist and contributor to the daily beast. is there anything you can
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imagine the democrats coming together with this president on? >> not right now. i mean, this is the same day he -- they're going to strike down all of the climate change and current pollution regulations that obama put in place, trump's budget would abolish after school programs, massively cut medical research so that they can have giant tax cuts for billionaires. this is -- i mean, he's like the worst guy in your fantasy football league, the guy who is constantly proposing, you give me tom brady and i'll give you two backups that are no one. he's on a different planet. i don't understand what he's thinking. >> rick wilson, there he is with more republicans there than democrats. he's clearly saying for all republicans in washington to hear, that he is eager to work with chuck schumer knowing that anything they tried to do in
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health care would have to be pulled miles and miles to the left from where it was in the house of representatives. you would lose paul ryan's vote ton the way to chuck schumer, i don't see the legislative strike zone is that donald trump is dreaming about. if you think the freedom caucus was problem, wait until they got to chuck's version, it is going to send those guys around the bin. this doesn't solve the problem in the house in the slightest and it's, frankly, i think it's wish casting on trurmp's part. once again his mojo as a deal maker, which we saw last week, went over like a far in a hurricane. this was not something that was successful for him in the house. i've seen less prospect of that happening in the senate unless he wants to completely deviate
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from any sort of conservative dogma about how we view the reforming health care. he's going to stuck with chuck schumer's version. >> i don't think they're going to do anything. i don't think there's going to be a moment where it's taken up again. you notice last week he surrendered and said it's all over forget about it. paul ryan, it's the law of the land for the foreseeable future, we're moving on. now, that night, i said on this program, you're never suppose to surrender like that publicly, you're always suppose to pretend that it's still alive. let's listen to paul ryan now pretending that it's still alive. >> we had a very constructive meeting with our members, some of those expressed a willingness to work on getting to yes and making this work. we want to get it right. we're going to keep talking to each other until we get it right. >> austin, that sounds to me
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like donald trump and paul ryan both realized, oh, wait a minute, we promised our voters we were going to do this, we can't quit on this in just a couple of weeks of trying, so let's just say, publicly that we're going to try to do something. >> you're 100% right. and, look, that would have been a cop out joke that we all would have known that we were getting, if they had said that on the day it was defeated. oh, we'll think a few days more and you never heard from it again. but to announce that you're killing it to blame the democrats on that day, as donald trump did, he said if we didn't get a single vote, yes you tried to devote their domestic achievement and coincidentally none of them are going to vote for it. to say that and several days later come back and say, oh, yeah, we're about to do a deal, it's goofy, it doesn't make any sentence. >> so 30 refused to go. they have better things to do to
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go to the trump white house. he tweeted, january 5th. he's president elect. this is what he tweeted about the senate minority leader. he said the democrats led by head clown chuck schumer know how bad obama care is. tweeting about the minority leader as head clown and then thinking, oh, now let's go to work with him, i don't think we've seen that before. >> chuck has got thick skin. he's not laying awake at night worrying he was called a bad name or said something about him by trump. it does give him an excuse and a reason to approach trump with an ask rather than an offer. now the democrats have an
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opportunity by making it long and painful and difficult. >> and they'll make it worse. >> oh, yeah. the republicans have the biggest majority in the house, they control both houses of congress and they're not going able to agree with themselves to keep the government open. they'll need democratic votes and chuck schumer is going to say here are the ten things i want. >> thank you for setting the suspense up for the next big story here. rick wilson, thank you for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, the science guy on what donald trump wants to do with clean coal.
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do you remember what happened in michigan, remember, november 8th, that was an exciting michigan evening. >> that's donald trump taking credit for an announcement that ford made today about an investment in three michigan facilities, but cnbc david favor has a longer memory from donald trump about ford's publicly announced plans. >> mr. hendricks this morning the parents tweeted big announcement by ford today. major investment to be made. car companies, jobs, jobs, jobs when it comes to jobs i'm only seeing 150 being added. that's previous to the announcement that you had already made in '15 about the romeo engine, correct? >> that's correct. >> 150 jobs. this is the second time in less than a week that president trump has taken credit for investments and job creation that were in the works before he took office. friday, the president took credit for char communications
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intrusion and to cancel job-killing regulations. [ applause ] >> one energy economist told the "new york times" that because of automation in the minds, they're not hiring people, so even if we saw an increase in coal production, we could see a decrease in coal jobs. former vice president al gore called the executive order misguided. massachusetts democratic senator said this. >> this is not an executive order. this is a declaration of war. against solar, against all renewables, against a clean energy technology resolution and it's also a denial of the science of climate change. >> we'll explain just how clean donald trump's clean coal is. i wanted to know who i am and where i came from. i did my ancestrydna and i couldn't wait to get my pie chart.
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start a new energy revolution, one that celebrates american production on american soil. >> joining us now, bill nye, the science guy. bill, thank you for joining us tonight. could you start with what is coal, and what is clean coal? >> coal is ancient swamp that's been dried out and compressed. so when you burn it, you are burning ancient plant material and putting carbon dioxide that's been sequestered under the earth's crust, soil, for hundreds of millions of years. you are putting it back in the atmosphere about a millimillion times faster than it was created. clean coal is -- we argue about this. it's just a misnomer. you are making carbon dioxide, which is causing the world to warm faster than it ever has warmed in history. is this will have tremendous consequences for everyone in the world. clean coal is a myth. i know the previous president referred to it as well. but he was doing his best.
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right now, the unintended consequences, i think, will be remarkable. first of all, if they, through russiagate or whatever they choose to shut down the government, this will empower states even more. so the states with a little more sophisticated energy policies like california will impose harder restrictions for example, on cars manufactured in michigan. and so this will influence the u.s. economy in a way that was probably not intended by this executive order. furthermore, it's another executive order. so they are going to, i imagine, there will be lawsuits to undo it because it's against the actual regulations and laws, which are already in place by the environmental protection agency. the guys who are going to make out here, mr. o'donnell, lawrence, are the coal magnates, those -- the rich -- those certain rich people stand to get richer.
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>> like wilbur ross, the second of commerce, who is himself a coal magnate? >> yeah, so everybody -- just from a scientific standpoint there is nothing worse than burning coal. this is the worst thing -- maybe the tar sands in alberta. but there is very few things worse than coal and we need to stop right away. i give this example all the time. my grandfather went into world war i on a horse. nobody who conducts a war nowadays does that on a horse. there were stables, there were liveries, there was whole business supporting horseback riding in the city of new york, washington, d.c., boston, philadelphia. those people aren't in that business anymore. they went to do something else. same thing if you are a coal miner. you are in the heartland. you are what j.d. vance calls a hill billy and you are proud. you don't want to be in the coal business because it's not going to be around much longer. if you work in the mines you
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know how it's getting automated. we in the engineering community want you to get involved in new renewable energy. a second thing, a remarkable thing, nuclear power is affected by this, because it gets some benefits, legally, by being clean. so by rolling back these traditional regulations you are even affecting the nuclear strichlt it's remarkable. >> sean spicer was asked a simple yes or no question today. i would like you to grade his answer. it is a little tricky because he didn't say yes or no. the question was, does the president still believe that climate change is a hoax? let's watch this. >> does the president still believe that climate change is a hoax? >> i think you will hear more today about the climate and what he believes. i think he understands -- he does not believe that as i mentioned at the outset that there is a binary choice between job creation, economic growth, and caring about the environment. >> bill, you have got about 40
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seconds to grade that answer. >> well, taken on its own, it would be great, yes, if we had solar wind, some geothermal, some tidal energy we could run the whole place, the united states, canada, we could run 130 countries in the world right now if we just decided to do it. check out the solutions these are civil engineers and electrical engineers who have done an analysis. this could be done. burning coal is bad for everybody. everybody. we have to stop it as soon as we can. let's get to work. we can change the world. >> did you see any problem like why sean spicer wasn't able to say yes or no to does the president believe that climate change is a hoax? that would be a yes or no, wouldn't it? >> it would be, normally, but you know, mr. spicer is -- he's constrained. he can't -- he has to speak for somebody who is not all -- engaged all the time. thank you lawrence for
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vague, but still better than the original title, the bureau of obvious nepotism. >> the preppy camp across the lake. stephen colbert gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight, the chairman of the house intelligence committee refusing to step away from this russia investigation amid questions about whether a key witness is being silenced. also tonight an nbc news exclusive on the manafort money trail tracking money from a russian kai couldn't to the trump campaign chairman. and tracking a high foon. "the 11th hour" begins now. here we go. the good evening once again from your headquarters in new york. day 68 of the trump administration. whatever the elements of their policy agenda may be, anoth