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about those memos at all. we only believe they're authentic. we can't prove it because they won't authenticate them. the question now that the senators are asking, will the epa own up to this process that they didn't want to discuss publicly? will they tell these senators what they are doing? good evening. >> good evening, rachel. the latest breaking news is that steve bannon had to be pushed out. that he resisted the move, and at one point threatened to quit if the move went forward. we came this close, rachel. we came this close. to the quitting story. >> threaten me again, big guy. >> surely you can get the quitting story going again. surely there can be another wave of offending steve bannon to get him that close to quitting. >> i wish i could believe anything they say about themselves. any white house official ever quoted about anything in the white house, i would love to believe it. >> every once in a while, this may be one of those moments where i want to believe this! [ laughter ] >> i want to believe he was pushed out and almost quit and then realized oh, but wait.
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then what do i do? >> you know what? it is more logically possible than he was there to baby-sit -- >> oh, that. >> mike flynn. >> oh, please, that. >> who left 51 days ago. >> i can't even watch you sate. it pains me to hear you say spicer-like things like that. it's just -- >> i'm going to invent a macro so that whenever you google anything said by a white house official, it gets translated into a language you don't know that. none of us knows that we stop getting distracted by their talking. >> perfect, perfect. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. >> thanks. well, last night, in the last 24 hours, we've gotten 40 -- 45,850 retweets of the tweet that i asked you to help me with last night when i tweeted "hey, bill o'reilly, please sue me too because i believe wendy walsh." and retweet if you agree. almost 46,000 of you have done that wendy walsh is going to join us tonight.
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she is going to tell us the story of what she experienced with bill o'reilly. that sexual harassment story that she told first to "the new york times" this weekend. and she is able to talk only because, only because she has not sued bill o'reilly. therefore she does not have a multimillion-dollar settlement that then requires her to remain silent. and so because she has not sued bill o'reilly, one of bill o'reilly's lawyers threatened to sue her. and that's what that tweet was about. and so you sent that message to bill o'reilly and to his lawyers. we will have that story. wendy walsh will join us later. but first, rex tillerson going to be the first one out the door of the trump cabinet, and should he be? >> the world is a mess. >> i get nervous any time i hear the president talk about foreign affairs.
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>> that attack on children yesterday had a big impact on me. my attitude toward syria and assad has changed very much. >> is it just a lot of words? >> i don't change. well, i do change. and i am flexible. and i'm proud of that flexibility. >> i don't think anybody has any clue what he metropolitan today. >> i'm not saying i'm doing anything within way or the other. >> how many more children have to die before russia cares? if russia had been fulfilling its responsibility, there would not even be any chemical weapons left for the syrian regime to use. >> the president of the united states accused a the former national security adviser to president obama of committing a crime today and didn't produce any evidence. >> he is just a lying sack of [ bleep ]. it's just simple. >> right now around the world, people are looking at the white house and feeling completely at a loss of how to deal with this, what to make of it. >> don't you want god to show up and say just kidding about everything? i just wish that he would.
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>> men, women, children and babies got gassed in syria this week because last week the trump administration gave the signal that that was okay with president trump. that's the signal that they gave. the trump administration is populated by the worst amateurs in the history of american government, very much including the most untrain and inept secretary of state in history. having the boss of exxon become secretary of state was a cartoonish notion of republican governance until now. and last week rex tillerson said the most dangerous and irresponsible thing that he could have said given the state of the world today. >> should he stay or should he go? >> i think the status and the longer term, longer term status of president assad will be decided by the syrian people.
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>> "decided by the syrian people." that is a dramatic turn from the obama administration position that assad must go. decided by the syrian people. by which rex tillerson means the nearly five million people who have fled the country to save their lives. does he mean should it be decided by the 6.5 million people who have fled their homes in syria but are somewhere still in and around syria? people who presumably would need absentee ballots in the fantasy election, that the horrifyingly dim rex tillerson was imagining last week. you saw in that comment why rex tillerson doesn't like to speak publicly. rex tillerson is as clueless as donald trump. the difference is that rex tillerson knows that.
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rex tillerson is just smart enough to know where his ignorance begins, which is everywhere in the world unless it's about making a deal to extract oil. the news media has been far too patient with the silence of rex tillerson. and apparently far too busy to have spent much time on the objectly immoral idiocy that did come out of his mouth last week. "decided by the syrian people." last week that statement included all of the people who were gassed this week and killed. but now it doesn't. president assad doesn't have to worry about how those people would vote in rex tillerson's imaginary syrian election. that would be decided by the syrian people. what is so profoundly immoral about what rex tillerson had to say last week is that he has been so lazy in his approach to his new job, so lazy that he might not have understood that president assad would take that statement as america's official okay that he can now do whatever
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he wants because the united states is perfectly okay with this murderous madman remaining as the president of syria. now let's just hope -- i really mean this -- let's just hope that rex tillerson is too much of an amateur to have understood that what he said in diplomatic speak was code language for unleash the gas. because if rex tillerson did understand what he was saying, then he would be a war criminal. everything donald trump has ever said about president assad has been a signal for assad to go on killing as many people as he felt like killing that day any way he wanted to kill them, with or without gas.
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>> i've been looking at the different players, and i've been watching assad. and i've been pretty good at this stuff over the years. because deals are people. and i'm looking at assad. maybe he is better than the kind of people we're supposed to be backing. >> he was looking at the different players, players who were trying to kill each other. and he decided he would come down on the side of president assad and cheer him on in his killing spree. someone, someone in the trump administration has found a way to explain at least some of this to donald trump. which is why he said things like this today. >> when you kill innocent children, innocent babies, babies, little babies with a chemical gas that is so lethal that people were shocked to hear what gas it was, that crosses many, many lines, beyond a red line. many, many lines. >> of course, no questioner
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could get donald trump to say what he would do about those crossed lines. instead, he just talked about his flexibility. >> i like to think of myself as a very flexible person. i don't have to have one specific way. and if the world changes, i go the same way. i don't change. well, i do change and i am flexible. and i'm proud of that flexibility. i will tell you that attack on children yesterday had a big impact on me. big impact. that was a horrible, horrible thing. >> big impact? we have no idea what the big impact was. changed him? we have no idea how it changed him. he is as lost as rex tillerson. neither one of them have any
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idea what to do or say about this. trump voters were told that this kind of thing would magically stop happening in the world on january 20th when donald trump took the oath of office. the world has noticed that donald trump is president. and in syria, that means the return of chemical weapons. and it means that donald trump's best friend during the campaign, vladimir putin, continues to do everything he can to preserve assad's position in syria. >> look at those pictures. we cannot close our eyes to those pictures. we know that yesterday's attack bears all the hallmarks of the assad regime's use of chemical weapons. russia cannot escape responsibility for this. in fact, if russia had been fulfilling its responsibility,
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there would not even be any chemical weapons left for the syrian regime to use. >> now there, there is an ambassador to the united nations who understood at least today that she does not work for the president of the united states. she works for the united states. nikki haley said more wise and helpful things at the united nations today than donald trump has in his entire life. and clearly more than our secretary of state ever will. if you've been watching presidential administrations for a while, you might be ready to bet, as am i, that rex tillerson is going to be the first person out the door in the trump cabinet. it's not that he is not as smart as rick perry, who will be able to outlast him at the energy department. it's that rex tillerson's in the job where you cannot escape crisis. and rex tillerson is lost in
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that job that is surrounded by crisis every day. he actually issued a statement about the crisis with north korea, saying the united states has spoken enough about north korea. we have no further comment. and that statement now goes straight to the top of the stack of stupidest things ever said by a secretary of state. and most secretaries of state don't have any entries in these stupidest things ever said file. as long as rex tillerson is secretary of state and is advising the president, we will be watching the morally blind leading the morally blind. joining us now, david corn, washington bureau chief from mother jones and msnbc political analyst. also with us max boots, senior fellow for national security studies at the council on foreign relations and a former defense policy adviser for romney 2012. david corn, rachel has been watching how rex tillerson has basically been never saying a word.
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he famously did not bring the press with him on that foreign trip where he brought just one reporter. handy has stayed very, very quiet. and now when we look back at it, we might just hope for as long as he is there, maybe him saying nothing is better than him inviting president assad, as he did last week, to do whatever he wants because that is of course up to the syrian people. >> well, i think rex tillerson's biggest problem is donald trump. there is no policy. i mean, if you want to be a little bit sympathetic to rex tillerson -- i know you don't want to be, lawrence, but if you do, what should he be saying when the boss isn't saying anything? that press conference today, what did trump do? he made it about himself. what are you going to do to deal with this crime against humanity? it's a tough issue. i'm not sure what i would advise. what would you do, mr. president?
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let me talk about myself now. i'm flexible. let me tell you how this has impacted me. because i didn't know there were such things going on in syria. i mean, the amount of ignorance, arrogance, hubris and egotism displayed in really 35, 40 seconds set a presidential record already into this administration. so i feel almost a little sympathy for rex tillerson because he doesn't know what to say. nikki haley decided to say what she said on her own. but none that of is integrated with what the white house will or won't do. so, you know, it's all -- everybody is freelancing. and the guy at the charge only cares about one thing, himself. >> and max, when you have a president who doesn't have a position, which is not common on most issues, the strong people in an administration do have a position, and they step forward. especially because no one is telling them not to. and that's what you saw at the united nations today. you saw a u.n. ambassador who stood up and said this is what i think, and this is what i
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believe the united states should represent here. and she didn't have to check with rex tillerson. apparently. why can't rex tillerson sound like nikki haley? >> i think, lawrence, there is no question. i wouldn't be quite so hard on tillerson as you have been. but i will say he has a steep learning curve. he clearly doesn't know the job. and anybody who thinks being ceo of exxonmobil translates into being secretary of state has had a rude awakening. the fundamental problem, i think you just put your finger on it, there is no foreign policy in this administration. it is not clear who speaks for the united states government. and so you have people like nikki haley who gives a very eloquent statement. but is she really speaking for the united states government? the weird thing here is that even donald trump, the president of the united states may not necessarily speak for the united states government. at any previous administration when you have the president say something, that's it. that's the law. that's the policy. the president is the final word. but in this administration, donald trump says stuff all the
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time and then he doesn't act on it. he doesn't follow it up. so is the stuff that he says actually going to be implemented? like today, for example, where he said syria had finally crossed some kind of line. which is i'm sitting here saying wait a sec. >> this is like the ten thousandth atrocity committed by assad. this is not the first time that kids have been killed. donald trump has always been okay with this in the past. but now they have crossed some kind of line. well, okay. what are you going to do about it? there is no clear indication of that. maybe they do something. maybe they don't. but i've never seen, lawrence, an administration where the words of the principles and of the president himself are so divorced from the actual policy and actions which just are not there. >> david, what i thought i saw nikki haley doing today as a very smart political operative, she was putting -- just placing the frame around this story. and one of the frames she was placing around it is this russia. this is russia at work. >> yes. >> this is vladimir putin at work. >> yes.
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>> and she -- and it's now up to donald trump to go contradict her on that. donald trump wouldn't dare mention vladimir putin today in relation to syria. but nikki haley did a flawless job of framing this in terms of vladimir putin's support for all of this that assad does. >> you're right. but i think -- i'll disagree with you a little bit. it's not about whether donald trump contradicts her or not. i can see him or more importantly, i can see putin looking at that and saying let her say what she wants to say. she doesn't have power. she's not donald trump. if donald trump -- donald trump continue dibbing her, if he doesn't back her up, if he doesn't say the same thing and he doesn't take any action to marginalize putin and to point out this is one of the reasons why someone like max boot and myself, who for use have not agreed on anything, can agree on this, then it really doesn't matter what nikki haley says other than she has bragging rights. she can say she took a good line. she can write this in her book. can write op-eds. if donald trump doesn't follow suit, vladimir putin can say i see where power is.
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i don't care what an ambassador of the u.n. says. >> i think any former ambassador of the u.n. will tell you the way it works in that building is it does indeed matter what the u.s. ambassador says every time the u.s. ambassador speaks. now what we're talking about -- >> i would hope so. >> -- is something else in what does it mean in terms of what the united states is going to do next. it's always been a different issue in fact. >> right now there is almost an a complete divorce between the rhetoric of the president and the actual policy. and you have all of these freelancers in the administration running around like nikki haley where you wonder if the president cleared off on her words today. but you also have the powerful players like today where you saw this inside the beltway intrigue with steve bannon being demoted from his position at the national security council, but nevertheless retaining his security clearance, retaining his entree to the oval office and presumably free to pursue his own policy. and jared kushner who is the
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shadow secretary of state. it's stunning. >> he doesn't speak to anyone. >> he doesn't speak to anybody. but he supposedly has the portfolio of canada, mexico, the middle east, china, oh, and reorganizing government. he is supposed to be doing all this stuff. so what is rex tillerson supposed to be doing? what is h.r. mcmaster supposed to be doing? you have all these people who report directly to the president who are not in the organizational chart, who are not in the normal national security process, but they have tremendous power whom. has more power in this white house than theresident's son-in-law? he probably has more power than any previous adviser going back more than 50 years. and he is probably less qualified to exercise that power than any previous adviser going back 50 years. i do feel to some extent for people like rex tillerson and others because they're in a very tough position. they have clearly been outmaneuvered by these people inside the white house who are jockeying for power. that's where the real struggle is going on.
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increasingly, rex tillerson feels like he is very peripheral to it. he is not at the center of the decision making. >> got to take a break here. go ahead, david, quickly. >> they're joining for power, but they're not fighting over policy. often they fight over policy in white houses. but this this case it's who gets the most influence. >> it's not like nikki haley was fighting over policy today. we have to take a break here. david corn, max boot, thank you both for joining us. really appreciate it. >> sure thing. coming up, donald trump took his distraction strategy to a new level today, accusing someone else of committing a crime. not barack obama this time, but someone close to barack obama. and the president who boldly bragged about sexual assault on video and audiotape is now defending bill o'reilly, saying that bill o'reilly did nothing wrong. and you know what? that may be true. donald trump probably thinks there is nothing wrong with sexual harassment.
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national security adviser susan rice issued a statement saying "i'm not going to dignify the president's ludicrous charge with a comment." unfortunately, i cannot be so careful with my dignity. and so we will now comment on the president's ludicrous charge of the day. president trump said this about susan rice in an interview with "the new york times." "i think it's one of the biggest stories. the russia story is a total hoax. there has been absolutely nothing coming out of that. but what you know what various things led into it was the story we're talk about, the susan rice." that's hard stuff to read. it isn't really english. what's happened is terrible. i think it's truly one of the big stories of our time. when asked if he thinks susan rice committed a crime, the president of the united states said "i can't comment on that." oh, no wait. he said "do i think? yes, i think." joining us now ana marie cox,
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host of the podcast "with friends like these." also joining us is naveed jamali, former intelligence operative and msnbc contributor and author of "how to catch a russian spy." earlier today he testified at the house intelligence committee members hearing on russian influence on the campaign. and naveed, i just want to go to that. it was a close door hearing, but you can reveal to us your part, what you had to say in that hearing according to their rules. isn't that the way it works? >> that's exactly right. >> tell us than. >> first of all, i'm sort of flabbergasted that while i was talking about russia, the statement by the president comes out saying this whole thing is a hoax. i don't know. >> not just that it's a hoax, but he has tried in his head and convicted susan rice in his head -- >> yes, that too. >> -- of a crime he refuses to specify. >> what i was talking about today was very specifically
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that, you know, when it comes to how russians target u.s. persons, and more importantly, which is a story that i lived. i worked undercover over three years for the fbi against the russians in new york, what i told the members is that i see echos in 2016 to what the russians did with me. and i thought that this from a tactical standpoint, understanding how the russians operate, how they recruit people, why they recruit people, how that works is something that is of huge interest, especially when you look at this that this is a threat that is ongoing. and it's not just russia that was emboldened by 2016. it's china. it's iran. and that was essentially the emphasis of my brief. and i think it was well received. but it is frustrating to have this talk and on the other hand, the president making these comments about rice and russia as a whole. >> ana, i kind of love the reply that i'm not going to dignify it, not going to dignify the accusation with a comment.
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yet here we are stuck again. a madman says something that everyone knows he is making up as he says it. he says it to "the new york times." a madman's president of the united states. and so here we are. >> it sort of leaves us who talk for a living speechless. we are dignifying wit a response, which is unfortunate. that's what i keep thinking about as you talked to naveed which is that we have to talk about this. we shouldn't even have to be talking about this. >> yes. >> we should be talking about russia. we should be talking about the emoluments clause anwe should be talki about jaredushner's immense portfolio that he d nothing to deserve. >> the lie the president told today to try to deal with the fact that he and his administration, his transition team, his campaign are being investigated for their possible connections to russia during the election and how that might have influenced the election. >> and more than, that how they were manipulated, right, which is what naveed was talking
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about. we also had testimony that the russians explicitly target trump with conspiracy theories when they know he is online, right. this sort of sounds like sort of could be something like that. it's astonishing. it's astonishing we need to talk about this in order to draw it back to the russians. and we need to talk about this because this is something that your first guest talked about too. it means something that we cannot trust the president of the united states. that that has ramifications for our democracy. internationally and domestically, that we cannot take him at his word. and i don't know if we've quite figured out as a country how to grapple with that quite frankly. >> naveed, every serious intelligence community professional that i've heard talk about this, including michael hayden have said slow down. unmasking names in these reports is susan wright's job.
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she is supposed to do that. she is only allowed to do that if the agency involved thinks that should it be done. it's not up to her if the name gets unmasked. we have all been taught these rules this week, which most of us didn't know last week. and we haven't been able to find anyone with real intelligence experience who has a problem with this. at the same time, people like lindsey graham and other republicans who have been pretty good on this issue of the russian interference, as soon as they heard the two words "susan rice," they were suspicious. and nothing but nothing had taken them off the scent until they heard the words "susan rice." and suddenly they think that needs to be investigated. >> this is such smoke and mirror, such deflection. you know, it goes back to even executive 12333. at the core of this, lawrence, the u.s. intelligence committee does not collect on u.s. persons. the fact that our president doesn't understand that, and yet keeps looking for more creative ways to bring this claim back,
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whether it's first president obama, now it's susan rice. it is absurd. there is just no evidence of this. and, look, it's not just susan rice, just to be clear that would have had to do this there is a whole host of people that go in and actually make the change. for them to agree to an illegal order like that, it just would never happen. and yet we have this president that in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, despite all the laws that prohibit this, continues to make these claims. and of course no mention of russia. nothing about russia. and i don't know exactly how we address this other than to say exactly what you've been saying is this is crazy. >> quickly, before we go, lock her up, hillary clinton. they've never said lock him up. even after president obama was accused of a crime by president trump. no one said lock him up. i got a call today from a friend who said susan rice, they want to go after her. is it because she is a woman? having "lock her up" as an echo to all of this.
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and i said i'm going to ask ana marie cox. >> well, there does seem to be a certain pattern. and it's true. i think that it may have to do with trump's conceptions of power. i think that he assumes that men are powerful and that he -- when he sees a woman in power, he is immediately suspicious. she didn't earn it. he also had the same problem with not really believing obama earned his power, what with the birther stuff. i always have trouble with words on your show, centering myself. but i do think that he is innately suspicious of women who have power. he thinks they don't deserve it. and through some nefarious means. theory. >> so stuff was your sensor word.
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donald trump is an admitted sexual assaulter. >> i will use some tic tacs in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. you just kiss. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want? >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> when 12 women emerged during the presidential campaign to say that donald trump had assaulted them, he immediately tried to scare them into backing down the
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way he always used to try to scare people before he got nuclear weapons. >> every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign. total fabrication. the events never happened, never. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. [ cheering ] >> and so that's what bill o'reilly's -- that's what bill o'reilly did when wendy walsh told her story of sexual harassment by bill o'reilly. he threatened to sue her for defamation. today the president came down on the side of bill o'reilly. the president of course was not in the room during any of those encounters, which wendy walsh will be telling us about. she is going to join us later. and donald trump wasn't there
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for any of the encounters for which fox news and bill o'reilly have paid $13 million in settlements to people who were left alone in a room with bill o'reilly. but today "the new york times," donald trump said i don't think bill did anything wrong. and that sounds like an absolutely true statement from the president of the united states who seemingly believes that sexual assault is a sport and not a crime. the president believes all of the worst things described by bill o'reilly's accusers are not wrong. donald trump doesn't think there is anything wrong with sexual harassment or sexual assault. and so today an admitted sexual assaulter comes to the defense of a sexual harasser, and the defender did it surround by all of his enablers in the oval office. ana marie cox is back with us. and so when the president says i don't think bill o'reilly did anything wrong, he is telling the truth, isn't he? >> he probably is. you know, it's actually sexual violence awareness and
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prevention month in april. >> which was announced -- >> i think he didn't realize there was a prevention part of the title. i think he just thinks it's sexual assault awareness month. and it's kind of like black history month where you promote it. i just want the say between one and three and one and five women is sexually harassed in the workplace. only one in four actually report it. and i also want to say that for people like me who have been through it to one degree or another, seeing this happen sort of in realtime is incredibly upsetting. i don't like the word triggering. i like the word enraging. and i just want the say for people out there who may have gone through this, there is help. there are people you can talk to. rain has the national sexual assault hotline which wisconsin is 1-800-656-hope. and you go k go online to and they have an
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anonymous chat where you can be in touch with people who know what it's like and who can talk you through it. you don't have to go through this alone. >> 1-800-656-hope. and wendy walsh today, today called the fox news hotline to report bill o'reilly. she is going to show us some of the video of that. and yes smile because the alternative is we need kleenex, and that is tv. i find it absolutely enraging. and this just vile defense of his that this happens to everybody who is well-known, who has a lot of money. okay. show me all the complaints against sean hannity. show me all the complaints against tucker carlson. i never heard a word against any of them. >> apparently the one in three or one in five women that experience sexual assault in the workplace all work for bill o'reilly. every single one of them. >> ana marie cox, thank you for that.
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the honor roll of companies who have pulled their ads from bill o'reilly's show now includes mercedes-benz, bmw, glaxo smithkline, allstate, lexus. subaru is up there. car fax, southern new hampshire university. let's keep that up. i'm not going read every one of them. keep up that. i'm going to report some of the story here. the financial times reports today that federal prosecutors are looking into whether tens of millions of dollars in settlements for roger ailes, bill o'reilly and others were concealed from shareholders of 21st century century fox.
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two former fox news executives claim to the times, quote, multiple women negotiated confidential settlements with fox news over sexual harassment allegations. and they claim the payments were moved around different fox news budgets. the financial times reports that, quote, budgetary squeezes raised suspicions among executives that money generated by fox news was being used to pay off women who had complained of harassment. fox news would be generating millions of dollars a year and making record profits one executive recalls and suddenly we wouldn't be allowed to travel or buy supplies. it was ridiculous. obviously they were moving the money out of the supply budget and the travel budget. for the third night in a row tonight, bill o'reilly did not say one word. he is running scared from this subject. and earlier today, bill o'reilly's boss rupert murdoch had nothing to say. let's watch him say nothing. go to that video. let's see this. >> about the bill o'reilly
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situation? >> there is rupert murdoch saying nothing. put those companies back up while i just read the rest of what a have in front of me here. put those companies back up. can we get them back up there? okay. wendy walsh says that she was sexually harassed by bill o'reilly, but she did not sue him which means nothing prevent herself from telling her story of how bill o'reilly harassed her. yesterday one of bill o'reilly's lawyers threatened to sue wendy walsh for defamation of mr. o'reilly's character. and so it was last night that i tweeted "hey, bill o'reilly, please sue me too because i believe wendy walsh." and more than 46,000 of you now have retweeted that in support of wendy walsh. wendy walsh and her lawyer lisa bloom will join us next.
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>> and tonight wendy walsh did just that. >> could you give me the primary reason for your report. >> yes. in 2013 i experienced sexual harassment as a job applicant at fox news channel by an employee named mr. bill o'reilly. >> joining us now, wendy walsh, psychologist and radio host who used to appear on fox news. and lisa bloom who is wendy's attorney. wendy, how did that phone call go today? >> i was surprised it was really professional. i think it was an outside agency because she didn't recognize the name bill o'reilly and didn't know about "the o'reilly factor." she was very neutral. so i like that. if somebody else is calling in, they just want the story told and somebody to get the facts
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down to begin an investigation. >> let me quickly check with lisa on the legal point. because i was struck, lisa, that o'reilly's lawyer would threaten to sue wendy but that is a common intimidation tactic. he has threatened to sue me. i begged him to because i would love to get him in a deposition and that's why i begged him to sue me again within this story about wendy and i know he won't and i'm sure he won't sue wendy. he won't dare but give me your legal reading of that. >> we're so proud of you for doing that. wendy's in a very different situation and when she got that scary lawyer's letter, she's not a wealthy and powerful person, i responded don't you dare ever contact her directly again. i represent her and sile nls after that. >> i meant thal donald trump threatened to sue me. somehow i blur those two guys,
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o'reilly and trump. wendy, tell us what happened with you and bill o'reilly. >> i was invited in january of '13 to come on the show. i was told by the segment producer he had seen me on tv and wanted me on his show. these segments that are regular are kind of anadition to become an a contributor and three weeks later that was proved true when his executive assistant invited me to have dinner with him, saying would be in los angeles. i wanted to talk about my career prospects and at the beginning of the dinner he brought it up. telling me that roger ailes -- i didn't know who he was at that point -- was a friend of his and we talked about everything else. ium rar relationship expert, psychologist. i will leave all that
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conversation to private and this is not relevant here and then at the end of the dinner he said "let's get out of here. kwaetsz i assumed we were going to the bar to finish a conversation about my career prausz pects. he turned right towards the suites, the rooms and we didn't even realize we were walking away from each other and i said i think the bar is this way and he said come back to my suite and i said i'm sorry. i can't do that. and he said do you think i'm going to attack you or something? >> i don't want the big boss mad at me so i said we're both raising teen age girl. i think it's good we mod gl choices. he sighed and said okay. we had a bad table beside the
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piano, we couldn't hear well and he immediately became angry, hostile and insulting to me. this whole bar experience lasted maybe 15 minutes. enough to get a glass of soda water and him to complain about the price of it and then i left. and then i spent a few months trying hard to save the relationship. sending flattering emails. we think i'll let him know i'm not threat. i'll get the job he promised me and i watched him grow colder, more withdrawn onset. there was no chit chat on the commercial break anymore and the last time i happened to be in new york and i sat down onset and he totally ignored me except to look up from his script and say when are you leaving and have the executive produce shall call me and say we're putting your segment on hold. and they didn't ever bring it back. >> did it come from out of nowhere that moment you felt
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this is the moment? does that surprise you or as the evening wore on were you getting clues he might want to go in that direction? >> i actually didn't and i'm a psychologist. he said a few things like your are arvery beautiful woman. but rartsz visual medium. it's something i've heard before. he wasn't overly flirtatious. he talked to me as adults do about the things we care about most, our families, our children and so again i just thought it was a somewhat pleasant and somewhat intimate, though not sexual business dinner and i -- i marched towards the bar thinking he was walking right beside me. i never thought the ininvitation to his bedroom. we're back with wendy walsh and her attorney, lisa bloom.
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we're back with wendy walsh and her attorney, lisa bloom. today in the oval auchs, president of the united states said "i don't think bill did anything wrong." your reaction to that? >> i feel like president trump is making our entire country a hostinal environment for working women. he shows such utter disregard
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for half of the palmulation, even though he's supposed to be the president for all of us. he stands by bill o'reilly who has had six women, according to the new york times, complain of sexual harassment. two of them have recordings about things i may not even be able to say on the show. really vile explicit stuff. in wendy's case, he's accused of depriving her a job to which she was otherwise entitled pch and this president of ours stands behind bill o'reilly. it's disgusting. >> the president read this exhaustive new york times report that includes your sfory. you were one of the few people who were able to fully tell her story because you haven't entered into legal agreement not to. and today the president of the united states said "i don't think bill did anything wrong." >> well, i think that really this national discourse that we're having here is training a small group of men of a certain generation who believe in traditional gender roles to the point that women are sexual objects no matter where they appear in their eye line and i
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believe they are peers in that sense. he wouldn't understand it. he wouldn't understand that by the time i got to the bar and i was shaking, worrying about how to save my job, kwlb to listen to mr. bill o'reilly say kwaelt and you can forget about all the career advice kwab gave you. you're on your own." which was clearly him saying it's over now. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. and i really admire the way you've handled yourself through this and that decision to tell the new york times the story and as you've said publicly already because you know so many other women cannot. and lisa bloom, thank you for joining us again tonight.
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lisa bloom, wendy walsh. wendy walsh gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with bryan williams is next. tonight was it accidental? president trump today hinting at military action in syria. shake-up at the white house. steve bannon loses a key seat at the table. as he no show at the rose garden. and our white house correspondents weigh in on how the president started his day. a new attack on susan rice a strong defense of bill o'reilly. "11th hour" begins right now. good evening once again from our headquarters in new york. the president today invited two