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the test might fail and that would actually serve the opposite purpose, of showing the strength of your military. we're not 100% sure something is going to happen. there has been activity in north korea's main nuclear test site. north korea could hold a nuclear test any time it chooses, but it is not clear when they might do that. >> all right. eric talmage from pyongyang, we appreciate your insights. we want to thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. i hand it over to my friend and colleague alley colleague aal ali velshi. >> show of force. north korea vows to go ahead with the fixed nuclear test when it sees fit. a senior official tells nbc news if a nuclear test is imminent, for the first time in history, if white house is considering a preemptive strike. we'll have a live report from
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seoul. and the u.s. drops the mother after all bombs on an isis stronghold in afghanistan. where is the u.s. strategy there headed? breaking this morning. the man hunt is over. this man who wrote a threatening manifesto to president trump is finally caught after ten days on the run. details on how it all went down. good morning. i'm ali velshi in washington. as we follow majordevelopments, including north korea and afghanistan. this morning, the pentagon is releasing video of the massive bomb strike in eastern afghanistan, targeting tunnels and caves. the u.s. dropped the largest, non-nuclear weapon ever used in combat. 30 feet long, weighing over 21,000 pounds. afghanistan's defense ministry said the attack left 36 isis fighters dead. the top u.s. commander in afghanistan saying there is no evidence of civilian casualties. >> this was the right weapon against this target.
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the enemy had created bunkers, tunnels and expentensive mine fields. this weapon was used to reduce those obstacles so we could continue our offensive into southern agar. this weapon was effective in that use, and our soldiers on the ground, our commanders and special forts are on the site now. the weapon achieved its intended purpose. >> of course, the other story this morning we're covering, u.s. intelligence officials tell nbc news the united states is on high alert and prepared to launch a preemptive strike against north korea, amid signs it may be planning a new nuclear weapons test as early as tomorrow. kristen was just discussing that. that is the secret of nations biggest holiday of the year. preparations are in full progress to mark tomorrow's 105th anniversary of the birth of north korea's founder. we have all this covered with our correspondents. let's begin with nbc in seoul,
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south korea. janice, what more can you tell us about the possibility, or maybe the likelihood, of a sixth nuclear test by north korea and this discussion of the u.s. taking preemptive action? >> well, north korea's vice foreign minister made comments in an interview today, suggesting it was the u.s. heightening tension in the region by dispatching the aircraft carrier strike group and ving this preemptive strike. he went on to say president trump's aggressive tweets are making trouble, and that if there is a preemptive strike, then north korea isn't going to sit back, cross its arms and do nothing. it says it has the capability and the readiness for another nuclear test, and it will wait for word from its supreme headquarters to go ahead when it sees fit. there has been increased activity around the site of past nuclear tests. that showing up in commercial satellite imagery. and the suggestion that site is
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primed and ready. there is still a lot of speculation on what the big event is that north korea is promising this weekend to mark the celebration, the day of the sun. it could be anything. judging from its track record, it could be a missile or nuclear test. it could be a military show of strength in the form of a parade. could be the opening of a new street. as journalists discovered a couple days ago. but the fact there is so much speculation gives the sense of how much anxiety there is here. and really no clear direction on how it might step back from the brink. >> janice for us in seoul. let me ask you this, janice, is there some sense of preparation going on in south korea about this concept of a preemptive but non-nuclear strike from the united states? obviously, people are always worried in south korea about a northern -- north korean strike. is something going on that feels
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different? >> well, you're right, ali. i mean, this is a country that is very familiar with the cycle of crisis when it comes to north korea. they've been through this several times before. there's always been something that has pushed things in a different direction. there is no visible preparation here, and south korea's government, the acting president, saying that it's very clear that the u.s. would not do anything without consulting first with the south korean government. this, of course, is the first line of defense. ifhere w a preemptive strike on north korea, there would also be a north counterattack. the regime has weapons pointed directly at seoul. a city of 10 million people. there would also be tens of thousands of u.s. troops that would fall into range. there is also the sense that even if nuclear facilities were destroyed, if a nuclear device that was going to be tested was destroyed, it really, in the grand scheme of things,
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strategically, wouldn't matter. north korea could still, if provo provoked, launch a counterattack. it has, through its vice foreign minister, said that it's ready for any means of war desired by the united states. something to point out though, that a south korean professor pointed out, the fact the comments today were coming from the vice foreign minister suggests pyongyang may want to open a diplomatic channel. this wasn't the sort of rhetoric we're accustomed to, read out by the state's news agency in the form of a statement on a news broadcast. this was in an actual interview. the suggestion that perhaps, in all of the messages around the world that may be directed at north korea, perhaps north korea is trying to send one in return. >> janice, thanks so much for that. janice in seoul, south korea. let's go back to the other story we're covering. the u.s. using the so-called mother after all bombs to attack an isis tunnel and cave complex
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in a remote, mountainous area of eastern afghanistan that borders pakistan. kourtney was live with us yesterday when the news of this came out. good to see you again. this bomb has been in the u.s. arsenal for decades. why use it now? >> well, as you mentioned, it has been in the arsenal for decades, but what was the target that made the military pull it out now? well, general nicholson, the commander there, talked about that this morning and mentioned it was a large isis complex with an intricate tunnel system underneath. so the gbo-43, the mother of all bombs, as you said, it's actually a pressure munition. what that means is when it hits the ground, when it explodes, it lets off a big blast wave, and it penetrates through the tunnels and kills anyone down there and will often collapse the tunnels down, especially
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when talking about a roh moemota like this. much of the infrastructure is dirt, sand and rock. it collapses it down in on itself. it was an enormous blast. 21,000-pound bomb that took out this entire complex. afghan officials are saying there were somewhere around 36 isis fighters killed. u.s. officials are still keeping that number in the dozens. they aren't putting a specific number on it yet. general nicholson spoke this morning, as i said, and talked more about the specific target and why he specifically chose this munition. >> this was the first time that we encountered an extensive obstacle to our progress that was constituted by the belts of ieds, the presence of tunnels and caves, and therefore, this was the appropriate weapon to use at thi time, to reduce that obstacle, to enable us to continue with our offensive operation in southern agahar. that's all there is to the
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timing. >> the u.s. has been targeting isis in eastern afghanistan for some time. president obama gave the military the authority more than a year ago. this was an enormous strike. not just the size of the bomb but the target itself. it took out the contingent of isis fighters the u.s. military took out in eastern afghanistan since they started targeting there, ali. >> we'll talk to you more later on. let's go to the white house -- or find out what the white house is saying about this. we're not going to the normal white house. we're going to kelly o'donnell, live near president trump's m mar-a-lago estate in florida. he's spending the eastern weekend there. let's start with the major military move by the trump administration in a week, versus the missile strike in syria and this, dropping the mother of all bombs. what are you hearing about this, and how much of this has to do with a particular matter on the ground versus sending a message to other countries, including north korea? >> one of the things that the
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trump white house is trying to show is the president's willingness to listen to military leaders and willingness to move on tactical opportunity, when there is something that presents itself for the president and his team. there is actionable targets to take that action. now, the president did not say that he was specifically the one who green lighted the operation in afghanistan. instead, he spoke more broadly, saying he'd given authority to military leaders to exercise their judgment based on a strategy shared with the white house, with the president's knowledge broadly, but then giving that sort of opportunity for those commanders in the proper domain, and in the right theater, to make the call when they saw fit. so that's a bit of a separate move from the president and, yet, it is in line with what he is saying about wanting to give his military leaders more lee wleeway to take these steps and increase theinic activity we're
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seeing with this new commander in chief. i think it is also politically something that the president has seen some favorable responses to some of his early actions in this realm. that may make him more comfortable to take these steps when his military team sees the opportunity that they think is in line with the strategic goals of going after isis in this particular case. not a lot of detail from the president. but an acknowledgment and then an opportunity, again, where we saw him praise the success of this operation. something he likes to do to talk about how successful things are under his watch. in this case, with the military. ali? >> thanks so much for that. kelly o'donnell at mar-a-lago for us. joining me in washington is a former acting assistant secretary for asian and pacific security affairs for the defense department. you covered both these areas we're talking about. let's go back to afghanistan for a second. hold on. let's go to pyongyang and start with that. neither presidents bush --
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george w. bush or president obama, they had similar rhetoric about north korea but didn't talk about a preemptive strike. talk about the significance the u.s. might go in there with a non-nuclear weapon, telling north korea we are serious. >> it is significant and unprecedented. military action in korea would be pretty significant in terms of what it would mean for the korean people on the peninsula. of course, our forces. this is not -- about 28,500 u.s. forces are on the peninsula. of course, there are more forces in the region. we have about 55,000 based in japan. of course, more naval and air force is in guam. we have a lot of american military presence in the region, within a range of north korea's missiles. so actually undertaking a presentive or preemptive strike would have potentially significant consequences. i'm not talking about the war that we're used to witnessing on television for the last 15 years. this is a different kind of war. this would be a serious, conventional and potentially
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nuclear war. >> let's talk about what an attack from north korea to south korea means. we talk about nato countries and article v, if a nato country is attacked, all other nato countries have to treat it as if they've been attacked. we have treaties with south korea that involves mutual defense of south korea. >> we have a mutual defense treaty with south korea. if north korea attacks south korea, u.s. forces would be in the fight. >> now, what is the -- the problem with this, of course, discussion is twofold. one is nobody wants conventional war, but we also don't want nuclear war. at what point does this discussion escalate because both the u.s. president and kim jong-un have made references to using nuclear weapons with each other. some of our audience is old enough to remember this is a very, very serious concern. nuclear weaponry and nuclear war is not a small matter to discuss. tell me how you see this possibly unfolding if somebody gets aggressive this weekend. >> you saw the "uss carl vinson"
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strike group move around the area in the korean peninsulpeni. it doesn't necessarily mean we're getting ready to launch an attack -- >> but it puts them within range. >> it certainly increases our chances of defending in the event of a ballistic missile attack. >> that strike group has aircraft carriers and the ability to send guided mu ed mi. and we have bombers in guam. >> the strike group has cruisers and a aircraft carrier air wing. it is a significant show of military strength. it is not unprecedented. we've had strike groups in the sent before. >> right. >> i think the public messaging that secretary mattis attached to it, he called it a prudent move. you see that the president of the united states is already out there tweeting about sending his
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armatta to the korean peninsula. i think it is not just messaging for korea, north korea and kim jong-un, it is messaging for the allies. it is a reassurance move, deterrence move, and it is also messaging for china. >> quick question. you don't believe that the bomb that went off, that we dropped in afghanistan yesterday, was meant as a message for north korea necessarily. >> i don't think it was meant as a message on purpose. >> right. >> what it demonstrates is that a tactical decision by a military commander on the ground can have strategic impact. it is important to understand that these things can have significant effects. the fact we're talking about this as a potential signal has an effect. >> thank you for joining us. kelly, former acting assistant secretary for asian and pacific security affairs at the u.s. defense department. developing now in wisconsin, the fugitive accused of mailing president trump an anti-government manifesto is in custody after a ten-day man hunt.
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authorities say they arrested joseph jakubowski in western wisconsin, 120 miles from his hometown of janesville. jakubowski stole more than a dozen firearms from a gun store last week. he sent the president a 161-page manifesto, filled with anti-government and anti-religious writing. authorities say he didn't name any specific targets, but suggested in his writings that he was willing to carry out violent acts. we expect to learn more at a news conference a few hours from now. we'll spring you more information as it becomes available. up next, foreign ministers from russia, iran and syria are out with a stern message for the united states in the wake of american air strikes. we'll have a live report from russia with the latest. and i'll get new reaction from a member of the foreign affairs committee. when we come back. think again.
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this morning, the russian foreign minister is out with a strong message for the united states. sergey lavrov hosted a meeting in moscow with his syrian and iranian counterparts. the three, expectedly, condemned the u.s. air strikes president trump ordered in response to the deadly chemical attack. lavrov said, quote, this is an act of aggression. a blatant violation of the principles of international law and the u.n. charter. this comes after syrian president bashar al assad denied responsibility for killing more than 100 people. here's what assad said in an
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exclusive government interview. >> there was no order to make any attack. we don't have any chemical weapons. we gave up our arsenal two years ago. even if we had them, we wouldn't use them. we have never used our chemical arsenal in our history. >> nbc's lucy joins me live from moscow. one can't be too surprised that syrians, iranians and the russians can't like the strike. what else did the foreign minister say there? >> that's right, ali. no surprises here. this was a show of force by the three foreign ministers and a show of unity. a day after secretary of state tillerson departed russia, after receiving a chilly receiving, moscow shows its comfort in moscow to the syrians.
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sergey lavrov reiterating his call for an independent, international investigation into the attack. remember, the russians have suggested, and the syrians, as well, that the rebels may have staged the incident. this was not necessarily an air strike by the syrian air force. they said the syrians haven't even been using chemical weapons in this conflict. and the syrian foreign minister also saying that it is impossible for the western countries to do an unbias investigation. they would not be supporting any current investigation on their soil. now, this is not surprising, when russia and its allies feel under threat. they usually lash out. they react back. that is not unusual. but what the u.s. air strike in syria did achieve is sort of shift the balance of power between moscow and washington. the past three years or so, putin would be the one to act unpredictably in places like crimea, ukraine and syria, and
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washington would scramble to react. now, moscow is scrambling to react, not sure what to do next. the message by the u.s. was moscow needs to reconsider its support for the allies in syria. that's not what we're hearing though in moscow today. >> thank you. i want to bring in the democratic congressman of rhode island. good to see you. thank you for joining me. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> i haven't had a chance to talk to you about what you thought of the air strike in the first place. what'd you think of the air strikes in the first place and what is your reaction to the russian minister calling it an act of aggression? >> i think the air strikes were ordered by the president, obviously, without consultation or authorization from the congress. they were, i think, intended to send a message, which seems to have been achieved. i think the real issue is that the president has the responsibility to actually have a plan. a strategy.
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a mission for the u.s. response to syria. and to figure out the role the united states will play in ending the conflict. what is disturbing is this notion of, an air strike is not a substitute for a policy. it is a one off. what we really need to hear from the president is, what is -- you know, you have his own administration that seems to have conflicting views. secretary tillerson saying it is up to the syrian people to decide whether assad remains. you have ambassador haley saying there is no way assad can remain in the future of syria. there needs to be not only consistency but a well thought out plan for the u.s. response to syria. i think what we saw was a one off strike that, i think, responded to what people saw on television. the horrible use of the incident of chemical weapons, which of course was an awful and despicable act. what we need is a thoughtful, articulated plan. if the plan includes the use of military force, the president needs to come to congress, seek
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an authorization and receive that. i think there's a lot of questions. what's next? i don't think anyone knows. i don't think t presideas articulated with any clarity what the plan is. so it was sort of a one off strike, and now we see our adversaries in the region joining together to condemn it, which is no surprise. >> let me ask you this. a one off strike against syria, which is toothless other than what it can do to its own people and what the russians can do to help them is different from what we're talking about this weekend, which might be a preemptive, non-nuclear strike against a north korean missile test, which would also not be something the president has gone to congress with a plan or authorization for, the use of military force. how concerned with y eed are yo that? >> they're different. as you pointed out, the syrian strike apparently didn't do much damage to the airport facility, the runways, there are using parts of the facility.
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but the north korean situation is different. this is a nuclear power that has, by best estimates, 6 and 16 nuclear bombs, and are attem attempting to increase the capacity to deliver those by international ballistic systems. this is an unstable leader who has not responded so far to a number of different efforts. a preemptive strike, if it were to happen, is likely to ignite a serious conflict, a war. maybe even a nuclear war. it would expose american troops on the peninsula to tremendous danger. we have about 55,000 troops on the peninsula. the president has sent out an aircraft carrier and destroyers to the waters around the peninsula as a show of force. this is one where, i think, the appropriate course is to reduce the rhetoric and try to de-escalate this, and continue to use all the levers of diplomatic, economic power, to try to achieve the right results
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here. obviously, a preemptive strike has tremendously serious consequences. it may well ignite a very significant war and expose not only the peninsula but many americans to grave danger. this is very serious. i think what we have to be sure is that the president understands the impcations this kind of military tion. what i fear is, he's got a political bump from the syrian strike. the mother of all bombs strikes in afghanistan. we don't want the president to be making decisions where he thinks more bombs is the way to build up his popularity. rather, they're making decisions based on the national security interests of the united states in the long term safety and security of the american people. >> congressman, good to talk to you. thank you for joining us. >> great to talk to you. >> the democratic congressman in rhode island. and he is -- those are his views on this. coming up next, we're learning about the deadly results of a misdirected missile in syria.
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pentagon says 18 anti-assad fighters were mistakenly killed by a u.s. air strike earlier this week. it took place on tuesday. the defense department said our allies in the fight identified the target as an isis fighting position. it turned out to be a fighting position for the syrian democratic forces. joining me now, hagar, who served during the obama administration as a spokesperson to the united mission. and before that, on the national security council. on the left, laura, a co-founder and executive editor of syria deeply, a website covering the six-year-old civil war in syria. and ellen is a professor of public policy and political science at duke university. her latest book, no illusions, focuses on students at russia's
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three most elite universities. hagar, i'll start with you. russian foreign minister sergey lavrov saying during the visit by secretary of state tillerson, it was, quote, concluded, the u.s. staair strike on syria sh t shouldn't be repeated. tillerson didn't rule out future action. president trump seems to be benefitting in terms of popularity from it. what do you really happened, and do you think there is any such agreement? >> i think russia is scrambling. i think that it is difficult for them to figure out now what to do. they're dealing with a counterpart in the united states whom they thought was predictable and in their pocket. all of a sudden, the tides completely changed. and so i think maybe they're trying to flex their muscles a little bit. this administration doesn't really seem to be affected by that. quite on the contrary, i think similar to what the representative mentioned before, a plan is very important.
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i very highly doubt that we're going to see that plan publicly. i don't think president trump is going to show his cards. however, i think a plan is important, and i think the trump administration is trying to figure that out now. you can tell because they're trying to pull together all the different pieces. their shift on nato reflects that. making their position change from nato is on sa leybsolete ts no longer obsolete is an indication that it is no longer obsolete to president trump's goals and foreign policy objectives. he's willing to do what he wants and to pursue the methods he needs and the goals he wants to achieve his objective. i think russia should be prepared for that. >> laura, let me ask about the air strike earlier this week that killed 18 fighters who were apparently anti-assad forces. we've also -- we often leave out of the discussion, unfortunately, the tremendous toll that continues on syrian civilians, including refugees,
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those who have left, those who remain in the country. we saw the mother of all bombs dropped on afghanistan. the early reports are no civilian casualties, which is interesting, given it was the biggest, non-nuclear bomb ever deployed. that part of things gets lost in the discussion between strategy with the united states, iran and russia when it comes to syria. what's your take on it? >> well, security and civilian life are part of the same story here. isis really emerged as an element of failed syria policy. letting the war drag on. letting people get so desperate made it easier for al qaeda, in the form of al nusra in syria, to gain fighters and isis take over where there was a vacuum. unfortunately, when it comes to incidents like dropping the mother after all bombs on afghanistan or the war on syria, we don't know how many civilian lives have been lost. the u.n. is saying we don't have a cost. we think in syria, north of 400,000 people have died in syria's conflict.
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but no one is there to check from the u.n., from these bodies that usually have access to data and to the numbers. we just ran a story on syria deeply about kids in lebanon who don't go to school because they're selling gum on the streets, working in mechanic shops. sometimes they're slipping into prostitution to help the families put food on the table. what security risk is that? we can't worry about isis without thinking about what is happening to actual people in the countries. >> allellen, let me ask you abo this. the missile strike, in some ways, was meant to be a message to assad. it was meant to be a response to the chemical attack. it was meant to be a signal to russia. the meeting between tillerson and lavrov and then the meeting between tillerson and putin, unclear whether we're better off or worse off. some people say better off as a result of it. do you think putin is having any second thoughts about the depth to with which he and russia support syria? >> i think russia has had a lot
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of concerns about that for a long time. when the soviet union imploded, the first foreign minister of independent russian federation said it's good to be part of europe and to get rid of, and i quote, garbage allies, like syria. now, president putin has a different view, in that reestablishing that base and propping up assad seemed, i think, an easier thing to do than it's turned out to be. and i think propping up assad is much more than propping up. i think it's going to be a real, long-lasting problem for them. i do want to say that russian television portrayed the meeting
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with rex tillerson rather differently. they stressed lavrov saying that we can open up the hot line to avoid unwanted coincidences and dangers in syria. we can appoint subcommittees to deal with the areas where we can cooperate across the board. and he left open those things that could help, although he was not -- he was not jping f joy. he was not overly optimistic. he was stressing, as was russian television generally, the things that can begin to knit things together. >> hagar, you made a comment that the united nations, which hasn't successfully once made any condemnation of syria, had a tepid measure they were trying to take the other day, vetoed. if they can't pass something
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like, let's investigate what is behind the chemical attacks, you're saying they won't get anything done. >> absolutely. first of all, i think it was an embarrassment of the united nations as an institution, but it further underscores that this is not a problem that's going to get fixed at the united nations. i think the united states knows that. i think ambassador haley may have forced a vote on a very benign resolution, just calling for an investigation into the chemical weapons attack that assad conducted, and i think that russia -- when russia vetoed it, it was nothing more than grounds for the united states to move unilaterally and prove the united nations this is not the place it'll be solved. >> thank you to all of you for this discussion. hagar, laura and ellen. we're going to be talking about this a lot more. thank you. in georgia, two officers have been fired after this incident caught on tape. one officer punching a man during a traffic stop. a second officer stomping on the man's head while handcuffed. we'll have the exclusive nbc
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job after one was caught on camera punching a suspect with his hands up during a traffic stop. the other kicking him after he was handcuffed. >> it was so surreal. >> reporter: in an exclusive interview, the 21-year-old college student told us he'd had a previous run in with one of the officers during a previous stop last year. he tried to reach for his cell phone camera to record this encounter but didn't get the chance. >> he told me to step out of the car. i stepped out with his hands up. that's when he punched me in the face. >> reporter: he was booked on chargesov s of marijuana posses and traffic violations. kenneth shot the first video that surfaced. >> you don't picture yourself seeing a police officer do that live in and person. >> reporter: that prompted the police chief to fire mcdonald. hours later, this second video
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emerged, causing the chief to fire the second officer. >> if there were no cameras, he would have gotten away with it. >> reporter: the initial report said he didn't have a license plate and he was tasered and get out of the car. refused to >> the iident that wa depicted upon the video was not mentioned or described in those reports. there is literally no excuse for behavior like this. >> hey, hey! >> reporter: it is the latest incident involving an officer caught on camera using questionable tactics. just this week, video surfaced of an officer in sacramento slamming and then beating a pedestrian stopped for jaywalking. in georgia, hollins and his family are in shock. >> i wish this would never happen to anybody. i wish this would never happen to me. >> you hear about it. about other people. that it happens to. but when you see that happen to your own child, it breaks my
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sorry. especially in a week like this to make a comparison that is inappropriate and inexcusable. >> it is unclear whether or not russia failed to take this obligation seriously or if russia has been incompetent. but this distinction doesn't much matter to the dead. >> putin is backing a person that is truly an evil person. russia didn't go in and back this animal, you would not have a problem right now. >> we also some some very troubling actions regarding the attack on syria. we believe it is fundamentally important to not let these happen again. >> we may be at all-time low in terms of our relationship with russia. president xi wants to do the right thing. we had a very good bonding. >> the pictures and video we have been seeing, we don't know
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if the children, were they dead at all? >> around 7:00 p.m. local time in afghanistan, last night, the united states military used a gvu 43 weapon in afghanistan. >> things are coming together this weekend. one is the distinct possibility using a detonation, and another is a great deal of fire power going at the korean peninsula. a supreme court nominee meetings with the russian president, a big bomb in afghanistan, and we go into the weekend with the specter of war with the weekend ahead of us. the 85th day of the presidency. the comedian. first, his new al bum, his new one, mainstream american kmcoc
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is on sale. let's start with the hitler comment. weust heard. d he apologized very quickly. i give him credit for that. it wasn't even a couple hours, but critics are still calling for him to be out because of the mistake like that. is there long-term fallout from comments any more? >> i think it just the idea that sean spicer is like an elementary school student that did the science project the day before and now has to speak about it. the difference being that he has preparation and he is an adult. but it is frightening. it is very -- >> do you give him any credit, being in a white house, and i know social media will explode, does that have any bearing on you? maybe they are just new?
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>> no, who compares it, and implying that the holocaust center was voluntary, so strange. >> you're in the middle of season two of your podcast, the first season launched last year. does it have added significance to you and the consumers of your broadcast? >> it makes each podcast even more valuable, i think, because scarcity, you know, it increases value, and i don't know how much longer the world is going to exist. as a result of that, each podcast is just people who are even more excited to hear it. i mean look, we talk about big issues, racism, and with this presidency, all of those things become very relevant very quickly. we have had a threat of one --
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we're threatening to bomb north korea, we had two bombs this week, it immediately triggers the stuff that we're talking about. it is useful for us even though it is almost over. >> it is crazy that we're able to bring humor into these discussions when we talk about real nuclear weaponry and bombs, the white house course respondespo -- correspondents dinner is one of the biggest entertainment events of the year. president trump says he is not going. i can't imagine he will change his mind about that. does it help or hurt? it is for us if is for journalists, but what does it say to you? >> refere . >> it is kind of weird because he had a roast on comedy central a few years ago. a roast. it is strange if he won't go to this, something much more
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dignified. steven colbert proved that the white house correspondents dinner can be a really scary thing for a politician. throwing truth right in front of them, one of the most important news and comedy things we have ever seen. i can understand why he doesn't want to be roasted in front of the media who he despised. i think it shows bitterness and lack of insight what is jr. responsibility as a politician and president. >> i appreciate your daily efforts to bring humor to something that some days can seem too serious. >> it's a defense mechanism, you have to. >> people comment to me something like that wasn't funny, i don't like that, but sometimes it is a defense mechanism to be able to carry on the discussion when you have to have it all of the time. >> if i was late and i sprinted
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