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edition of "andrea mitchell reports" follow us on-line and facebook @mitchell reports. craig melvin is up next on msnbc. >> thank you. craig melvin here. we start this hour with breaking news, the nationwide manhunt for a killer is over. steven stephens authorities say posted the video of himself shooting an elderly man in cleveland and posting it on facebook easter sunday is dead. police say he shot himself to death as authorities closed in on him near erie, pennsylvania, just after 11:00 loc time. th say it was a civilian's tip that led them to stephens. a few moments ago in cleveland, that city's police chief broke the news. >> i want to officially announce that the search for steve stephens has ended. at approximately a little bit after 11:00 today, pennsylvania state police officers received a tip that the vehicle that we were looking for, the white ford fusion, was in a mcdonald's
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parking lot near erie, pa. those officers responded. the vehicle fled from that area. there was a short pursuit in which the vehicle was stopped. as the officers approached that vehicle steve stephens took his own life. >> so that nationwide manhunt is over. the manhunt might be over but the national conversation continues. at this hour, facebook founder mark zuckerberg is speaking before developers conference in san jose. we expect that he will in some shape, form or fashion, address this tragedy. it will be the first time we hear from zuckerberg directly. we have the latest on the breaking story from our reporters and analysts as well. jacob rascon stand big in cleveland, former fbi profiler and msnbc contributor clint van zands, msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber and on the phone with me msnbc's chief law enforcement analyst jim cavanagh. jacob, start with you in cleveland, at this point what do
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we know about precisely how it all went down shortly after 11:00? >> yeah. we have a pretty good idea of the timeline now. of course on easter sunday it happened about midday and soon after, police, in fact, say they talked to steve stephens on the phone, they tried in vain to get him to turn himself in, and then the next day, they were looking into a ping from his cell phone in erie, pennsylvania. they went and looked there and they had the local law enforcement there, of course, coordinating with them, looking in that area. they found nothing. they had extended the search yesterday to not only pennsylvania, but all the surrounding states, and finding nothing, they then last night extended the search into a nationwide search and they were receiving, they said, nearly 400 tips from across the country from as far as texas and philadelphia. so then this morning, at 11:00 or so, they found they had a tip from a citizen they say that led them to an intersection, apparently near a mcdonald's, and followed that tip and only a
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couple miles away from the pennsylvania state police headquarters there, and they found him, in fact, inside of his white ford fusion that one they told everyone to be on the lookout for. they tried to stop him. he didn't stop. after a two-mile pursuit they tried what they call a pit maneuver and turn the car sideways, and they were successful in doing that, but at some point, during that pit maneuver, they say that stephens took out a handgun and shot himself in the head and he was killed. as far as we know and as far as they know, nobody else was hurt during any of this. and as we know, of course, he has said on facebook that he had killed more people. they have still found no evidence of that. there's only one known victim, robert godwin, killed during easter sunday out for a walk during dinner. that is the end of the investigation right now that we know, and, of course, they're looking further into why he did this and they still want people, if they have any information, to
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call the tipline. 1-800-call-fbi. that's the latest from here. back to you. >> stand by for me if you can. clint, what have you been able to learn about the gunman and just going back to what jacob said there, a possible motive here? >> you know, the gunman, this is the type of person, dr. keith lowe would call a dead man walking. he was really dead inside. this is someone who financially, he was going down the tubes, i mean he had declared bankrucy, he owed money left and right, lost a car, got kicked out of two apartment, he had gambling debts, his girlfriend had broken up with him. this was a man -- realize i'm not making excuses for anybody who commits a terrible murder but this is a man who was somewhat hollow inside. this was the proverbial helpless, hopeless, he saw no way out, nowhere to go, and when he committed this crime, i think
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he committed this crime in a way he's kind of shooting himself or he's shooting what was a challenge to him. he told the victim, say my girlfriend's name, and then he shot her. well, we'll leave it to freud or others to go into that, but jim kava na and i have been on fugitive hunts our whole careers and you chase these guys down and expect to find this monster and most of the time you find a sad, human being, who doesn't know how to dig himself out of a hole that he buried himself in in the first place. >> cleveland police chief calvin williams a few moments ago, talking about how this went down and some of -- one of the major regrets they have, take a listen. >> we are grateful that this has ended. we would have preferred that it not ended this way because there are a lot of questions, i'm sure, that not only the family but the city in general would
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have had for steve as to why this transpired. >> jim cavanagh, we know that the gunman took place to erie, pennsylvania, erie about two hours outside of cleveland. in terms of some of the questions police would have liked to have asked, what would they have been? >> well, certainly they wanted to know where he went, where did he go in erie, he probably had a hide over there. he wasn't moving on the streets in erie all this time because, craig, the troopers and erie pd would have seen him. when he came out from his hide to go to mcdonald's and eat is when he got spotted. he was -- he knew a rural area there, a state park, or had a abandoned building or a friend or he had some location he could go there and lay low, so that's one question. of course the second question goes back to what clint was discussing, the psychological,
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you know, drift down in the death spiral, you know, why didn't you think you could reach out for help when your career is in behavioral, you know, help to others and yet you couldn't reach out and get the help. when a person finds themselves at that low, they can go down a rub. if they reach out they can go back up. he took the, you know, the easy way out, but killing mr. godwin was such a vulgar act. i mean, mr. godwin is the face of america. when you see him there, foundry worker his whole life, big family, i mean that is so sad. i mean we should remember mr. godwin. he's the guy that did everything right. and not this killer. and i think that you're hitting it right on facebook, facebook should take a clue from mr. godwin. he did everything right his whole life, by all accounts,
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even picking up cans on his last day. now it's time for facebook do everything right. they have the power, they have the money -- >> let me -- i hate to cut you off. i hate to cut you off. mark zuckerberg speaking about what we're talking about. listen in. >> now, since this is our developer conference, today we're going to focus on the technology that we're building together for the long term. because in the future, technology is going to keep making us more productive and that's going to change how we all work and free us up to spend more time on the things we all care about like enjoying interacting with each other and expressing ourselves in new ways, in the future, i think that more of us are going to contribute to culture and society in ways that are not measured by traditional economics and gdp. >> okay. we're told tt facebook ceo mark zuckerberg did address this tragedy, just a few moments ago at the beginning of his remarks. we are going to play that for you here in just a moment. i do want to pick up where jim
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cavanagh left off, talking about 74-year-old robert godwin, the man, of course, gunned down on easter sunday, broad daylight. his son spent some time remembering precisely who his father was. there he is. 74-year-old robert godwin. his son talking about him. take a listen. >> i mean, he's a good guy. he's -- i mean, he would give you the shirt off his back. i'm not just saying that for these cameras. >> all right. again, robert godwin's son there. we can tell you again, we're going to turn the sound around any moment, among other things, facebook ceo mark zuckerberg said a few moments ago, quote, we will keep doing all we can to prevent tragedies like this from happening again. zuckerberg, just a few moments ago. our chief legal correspondent ari melber is with me right now. this shooting is just the latest in a number of horrifying scenes that have played out live on
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social media here it would seem over the past year or so. what kind of liability do facebook and we're talking about facebook here, but i mean there have other social media platforms as well, facebook being the largest but one of the major concerns is everyone loves to stream live. and then occasionally things like this happen. how culpable might they be legally? >> these social media sites facebook include ready not very legally culpable not in a civil sense could they be sued for money and not in a criminal sense, are they a part of the crime. no. they're clearly not. they are not accessories or involved. they are the platform being used to broadcast and having said that, they have caught flack from law enforcement sources, from experts, from digital folks, in this community and in thisolyommunity saying you have to do better tha leave open a platform that can allow someone to live broadcast a murder or even a threaten and engage in social media related crime. this incident, the video once
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made stayed up on-line for hours, we're told, other instances we've seen live crimes that take time, in other words this was to be frank a relatively quick murder, there have been gang beatings and other activities that have gone on for minutes on end, live broadcast, and so the question is, can they do more as you said we're going to hear more from zuckerberg, do more to be proactive or swift in cutting these things off because they are what the literature refers to as, quote, performance crimes. there is a performative aspect to these kinds of murders. >> and as tragic and sad as it may seem, would be reasonable to deduce that, again, facebook live is something that's been around, not very long now, that we will unfortunately probably see more things like this unless they figures out some sort of way to stop it. i mean they do allow users to report videos that might be
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deemed offensive but as you pointed out took three hours to get the video down. >> they have reporting and flagging and a lot of content going up. i will say this, the reason why you don't see as much of this is because most criminals don't want to get caught and don't want to perform. so the nature of contraband, the nature of illicit activity and crime is such that most people aren't going to put out the evidence. however, you this small subset and our expert profiles were speaking to it, people who have problems in their life, may have a death wish, past the point of trying to get away with a crime and now are trying to promote or advertise a crime. for that subset, in the old days, and by old days as you point out, craig, we only mean a few years ago, the route was to do a crime and try to generate secondhand media attention. in the new tadays live stream yourself and it's harrowing and the law, technology and society is only barely catching up to now. >> last month the 15-year-old girl from chicago who was
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apparently sexually assaulted via live stream and earlier this year you and i sat on the same set talking about the four black kids who were torturing and beating this white teenager who reportedly had a mental illness, several mental illnesses, among them schizophrenia. after one of those events, facebook did respond, saying that it was in recent years it's become clear a core part of helping the community is helping to keep you safe. zuckerberg saying it's a fundamental responsibility and something that we take very seriously. here is the facebook ceo just a few moments ago talking about this particular tragedy in cleveland. >> we're reminded of this week by the tragedy in cleveland. and, our hearts go out to the family and friends of robert godwin sr. and we have a lot of work and we will keep doing all we can to prevent tragedies like this from happening.
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>> that's all. that's all mark zuckerberg had to say about what we saw go down on easter sunday in cleveland, ohio. clint van zands, i heard you heard the roughly ten seconds from the face of facebook. was that sufficient? >> no. i don't think it is. you know, maybe he, like president trump, doesn't want to lay out everything that he's going to do. he's holding things back, i guess. but these are things, you know, the public needs to know and, you know, technology has raced past some of us. the ability to screen dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands of action videos that are being posted simultaneously, i don't know how we do that, but what we've seen is technology has raced ahead of our ability to deal with it, to screen it, for law enforcement, to have some input. but the flip side is, when these
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videos are posted, we, as our brothers keepers in society, we shouldn't be waiting an hour or three hours or five hours when we see beatings and rapes and tortures taking place. somebody should be picking up the phone, dialing 911, just like that citizen did when he or she saw the license plate on that white ford of this i believe killer, somebody else should be watching the internet and dialing some universe 911 number that says number one shut it down, number two, get the police to that location and stop this ongoing crime. if zuckerberg could do that, then facebook and technology is finally serving map in all ways and not just in this area of self-gratification. >> for the love of god we certainly shouldn't be sharing it. on facebook as well. all right. clint, jim, ari, jacob, thanks to all of you. president trump heading to
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wisconsin any moment now to tout his campaign promise to boost employment here at home. he is in wisconsin, i believe, but his refusal to release his tax returns on this tax day, threatening to hurt his domestic agenda. outrage growing over his daughter's overseas business deals as well. we'll talk about that plus clinton campaign drama gripping details about hillary clinton's election night phone call with president obama and why he pressured her to concede. we will have msnbc's first interview with the author of a new book chronicallying what went wrong with the clinton campaign. jack be nimble, jack be quick, jack knocked over a candlestick onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance. because all his belongings went up in flames. jack got full replacement and now has new pants he ordered from banana republic.
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at this hour, president trump is on his way to wisconsin. he departed washington last hour. he is set to speak in paul ryan's district, which is shortly after 3:00. interestingly without the house speaker himself. speaker ryan is overseas. the president's agenda tout a promise kept on jobs and immigration all the while ignoring the headlines today about transparency, his own tax returns and charges of cronyism that are hampering his larger agenda on tax reform and health care. we start with two reports. chris jansing at the white house, kasie hunt is in sandy springs, georgia. there is, of course, a special election there today where democrats are hoping to flip a house seat. miss jansing, start with you, tell us where the president is
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headed and about these new executive actions he's expected to sign. >> kenosha, wisconsin, snap-on tools, the message buy american, hire american. the executive order has to do with h1b visas. this is something we railed against during the campaign. he says that these, that were designed to get more high-tech, highly trained workers, especially into the tech industry here in the united states, don't do that at all. it brings foreigners who make less money and take away jobs from americans, something tech companies not only dispute but if they can't get these highly trained workers, we're talking about 85,000 of them every year, some of the companies might be forced, in fact, to move abroad. this will not, however, affect hb2 seasonal workers, those are the kinds of workers they use in places like mar-a-lago, that will not be changed at all.
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>> judging by twitter, president trump clearly has a very close eye on this election in georgia, as well, chris jansing. >> no doubt about that. you can tell by the number of times he's tweeted over the last number of days, four. a couple of these he said democrat jon ossoff would be a disaster in congress, weak on crime, bad for jobs, immigration, taxes. republicans must get out today and vote in georgia sixth, force a runoff, and easy win. this, obviously, very important to the president, not just by the number of tweets but look, a lot of people are looking at this as a referendum on the president. he won there, but barely in that district. a traditionally republican district. and when you see the latest polls coming in gallup, for example, where people don't think he's keeping his promises, it's important for him to be able to have the republicans hold on to this seat. interesting especially since he hasn't been someone who has paid a lot of attention to exactly what some of the concerns and
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members of congress are in their own districts. >> kasie in georgia, in that district that we're talking about. first of all, kasie hunt, what are democrats chances for flipping this seat? >> well, craig, i think that -- the democrats that i've talked to would describe themselves as being probably optimistic but still realistic. i think that they feel democrats on the ground here, that they are certainly within striking distance of 50%, but perhaps it's a little less likely than a couple days ago in the final days of this race. ossoff's campaign has been trying to focus on the things they have at the local level. there's been an awful lot of national focus on this race than critics saying you're flying volunteers in from outside of the state, your money, the $8.3 million you raised is coming from out of state. but on the other said side i've talked to some republicans watching this race closely that think he could come within striking distance of 50% of this
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vote. one thing to watch tonight as these polls close is both the early vote, as that starts to get counted if ossoff can maintain a lead it will indicate he has a better shot of breaking the 50% mark, that may sound obvious, but the question mark there is, the independents in that early vote. if they break big for ossoff that will tell us a lot about what we might see the rest of the night. the other thing is to watch for, again, more independents than normal, low propensity voters. are the polls off the way they were in 2016 because they're not capturing people that aren't likely to vote. the enthusiasm is the big mark. >> kasie hunt in sandy springs, georgia, it's going to be a busy night there in georgia. thank you. here to talk about all of this, rick tyler, republican strategist and msnbc news political analyst and josh barrow, senior editor for "business insider" and an msnbc contributor. always good to see both of you. rick, start with you, the difference between the kansas
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special election last week and this one in georgia today, there's no unpopular governor to blame for a loss here. is this essentially an indictment of president trump if ossoff wins it on the first ballot? >> well, it could be. i think it's both a test for the democrats and the republicans. for the republicans it's a test to see that this does not become -- this is a wealthy district. buckhead is the area that's famous there that's wealthy, so we'll see if those voters and trump i think only won this seat by one point and tom price who held the seat previously won it comfortably. on the other happened can the democrats who have been doing a lot of -- have been active and very active well into close to 100 days of the trump presidency turn that activism into votes and wee going to seef they
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can do that today. kasie's reporting shows there's a lot of activity that bodes well for the democrats, means they're organized getting the people out. this will be about turnout. >> josh, this is a district where demographics have been changing for some time now. a lot of political analysts said it's not a question of if, but a question of when this seat actually gets flipped. what's your take on what we're seeing down there? >> i think this is going to be a test of the big shift that you saw in this district going for romney by about 20 points, 4 1/2 years ago, trump by about a point now, whether that shift away from trump by affluent educated republicans translates into candidates for congress or was a special thing about disliking donald trump. a lot of these people, when we expected to see this big swing away from donald trump toward hillary clinton, among educated people that didn't materialize so much nationally, it did materialize in districts like this, i don't think we know if those people are turned off from the republican party as a whole,
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want to cast a vote against donald trump or just going to go back to voting republican for congress like they used to. >> talk about president trump here in wisconsin. set to touch down any moment from now. trying to showcase the campaign promise he made on h1b visas to help, in his words, clamping down on guest worker visas requiring agencies to buy more goods and services from u.s. companies. it has been noted a fair amount over the path few days this is a president who has employed a number of workers, hundreds if not thousands of workers over the years using this program, we know for a fact that his -- a lot of his clothing line, his daughter's clothing line, made in china, made in bangladesh. is this dog and pony show we're going to see in wisconsin, is this something that's going to resonate with the base? >> i would reject the idea that this is donald trump keeping a campaign promise. what these executive orders do is direct cabinet departments to
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generate reports for dald trump about what he might do on these issues later and directing them to find ways to better enforce existing laws vaguely. it doesn't tell them whether and how they have that ability to enforce the existing laws more aggressively. this is a piece of paper donald trump can sign and say here i am doing something about immigration and the job market but this is toothless. the report he's supposed to get about buying american doesn't come back until thanksgiving and only then will it be recommendation hess and the commerce department can decide whether to pursue about that. i don't think there's very much here. as for whether this will impress voters, broadly when people vote on the economy, it's a fairly amorphous thing and they're happy when unemployment is low, wages are rising, so if economic performance under the president is good people will give him credit for that. what it has anything to do with his policies or changes anything from h1b visas and if that doesn't go well people will be annoyed with him regardless of what he has done. >> h1b visa the deadline for any
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change that would be affected by the executive order would be april 3rd. whatever he signs won't go into effect until next year. lot of folks in congress getting heat about donald trump's tax returns. listen to how two members handle the question, including one who tried to compare the controversy to birtherism. >> as far as i'm aware the president says he's still under audit and says he's going to -- [ booing ] >> i'm not going to ask the previous president that i served under to show his birth certificate any more than i would ask this president to show his taxes. >> number of republicans said trump should release them. senator joanie earnest, senator mark sanford to name a few of them. if president trump doesn't do this what does it mean for his big agenda item tax reform? >> i think it sets a bad
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precedent. he should release his tax turns. americans have the -- should be able to see, you know, the debts and liabilities that the president, their chief executive, their president, has. congress can do something about this and i think there has been talk of bills in congress to make it possible for -- to pass a law that presidential candidates must return their tax returns to get on the ballot. you can do this in states unless a president has shown their tax returns, full tax returns, they won't be listed on the ballot. there are things they can do. members instead of defending it and getting on the wrong side of transparency should really be talking about how to make it more transparent. >> josh, one of the things that i continue to find fascinating about the story we actually don't know whether he's still under audit. he said he's under audit and spokespeople have said he's under audit. we haven't seen documentation he's under audit. >> being under audit is not a reason you can't release your tax returns. you can drive yourself crazy
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trying to understand whether or not terms donald trump is when he will release his taxes. he will not release unless someone forces him to or a situation arises to his political advantage to release them. the latter thing is not likely to happen. so long as he doesn't want to release his taxes he will say some reason. during the campaign, when he kept changing his mind about the pledge he signed to support the republican nominee. he signed it and said they treated me unfairly so i don't have to abide by it and when it became clear he was going to win the pledge was valid again and terrible that other people were talking about not abiding by it. donald trump treats promises as things that he only follows through on if there's a reason he has to follow through on them. that's the right way to think about his promise to release his taxes. >> josh and rick, always enjoy having you both. thank you. >> thank you. >> time for today's microsoft pulse question of the day. at the top of this hour we talked about the man authorities say posted that video on facebook of himself shooting an elderly man in cleveland. he is dead hek too his own life
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last night i congratulated donald trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. i hope that he will be a successful president for all americans. this is not the outcome that we wanted or worked so hard for, and i'm sorry that we did not win this election. >> with those words, not coming until the day after the election, many americans were still stunned that a sure thing, hillary clintos bitoecome this country's first female president, had ended in defeat.
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a new book out today, in fact, shattered, inside hillary clinton's doomed campaign, is an account of precisely what went wrong for hillary clinton. amy parns, co-wrote that book with jonathan hill, here with me for the first interview about the book. >> thank you for having me. >> you wrote there were signs from the beginning that the clinton campaign was a troubled campaign. what were the signs? >> it's fun my my co-author john and i had been reporting this book for two years and didn't know what to expect, obviously. we thought hillary clinton might have a head start on this, she, obviously, had the financial backing, the star power, but we came into this with a clean slate after our first book and wanted to know, we want people to tell us the story about the campaign and they told us it wasn't going as smoothly as one might think. i think in the 2008 campaign, there was a lot of drama
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spilling out, reporters wrote about it, it was all over the place, this time it was kind of swept under the rug. >> they kept a lid on it. >> they did. and so people thought that it was this drama-free campaign but there was drama bubbling up and that's what we report in this book. >> what kind of drama? >> infighting from the top. two of the top aides were -- there was infighting between john podesta the campaign chairman and robby mook the campaign manager. one didn't trust the other. both had sort of competing interests. that went down the line to other people and there was all kinds of back fighting and factions. the clinton world is surrounded by various groups from her time as first lady and at state. these were competing interests that didn't always get along. >> you write of the conflict, within the campaign over whether to concede, whether to do what we saw in the sound bite, and i
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want to quote this passage. hillary clinton cradled the phone, the smooth, confident voice on the other end of the line was as familiar to every american as it was to her. you have to concede, president obama told his former secretary of state. that was one of two phone calls, correct? >> right. we reported one earlier this year late in november, president obama really wanted this to end early, he called at the end of the night to a consolation call, if you will, where her aide, houma abedin hands her the phone and said the president is on the phone. she winss and feeling the pain and the weight of the call ahead of her and she picks up the phone and says i'm sorry, mr. president. >> she felt she let him down. >> she let him down, let the party down, herself down, her supporters down. this is like a crushing, crushing moment. all these people filling the center who thought she was going to finally do this and they left in floods early that night. i was there.
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this -- they felt shattered. and that's kind of why we named the book this "shattered" because that explains everything. >> we know that the clinton campaign was a campaign that was driven by numbers. a lot of data. did the numbers or faulty interpretation of the numbers doom the campaign? >> it was a factor we found. there were people like president clinton who kind of had a better gut check. he was kind of feeling a different way and kept pushing back in various ways saying i'm not feeling the way the data and the analytics are sort of what we're reporting out. i'm feeling a different thing. we need to try this and that. the analytics and data have swayed the campaign in the wrong direction. we're seeing a lot of that kind of that evidence play out here. >> she gave her post-election interview early this month. this is just part of what she said to the "new york times." take a listen.
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>> i think it is fair to say that the outside intervention, the combination of the comey letter on october 28th, wikileaks, which played a much bigger role than i think many people understand yet, had the determinative effect. >> do you -- perhaps the text still of a sense of denial there? >> a little bit. i don't want to -- it was a factor. i think comey and russia did play a factor. i don't want to say it didn't. there were so many other things and you're kind of blind if you don't accept these other factors. there was a message problem. there was an image problem. her likability. all these things. the data and analytics and infing tt was happening from the top of the campaign to theottom. it's very easy to blame russia or comey but i think a lot of these factors added up to her
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loss. >> amy, the book is called "shattered" it appears to be quite the interesting read, she wrote it with a fellow named jonathan allen, a reagan on trer on the broadcast. thanks so much. democratic congresswoman maxine waters on the president's tax returns and her continued calls for impeachment. next. let's take a look at some numbers:
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tax day shaping up to be a legislative headache for president trump. the president pegged tax reform as his next legislative battle but after continually refuse toing to release his taxes, many americans took to the streets over the weekend in protest. democrats are warning the president's failure to release his tax returns threaten to derail the next item on his legislative agenda. i'm joined now by safe to say one of the president's most vocal criticses they dices, congresswoman maxine waters. welcome to you. always good to see you. thanks for being with me. >> you're welcome. >> let me read your tweet from this morning. this is the most recent tweet from the maxine waters twitter account. the president is a liar. his actions are contemptible and i'm going to fight every day until he's impeached. what are the impeachable offenses, congresswoman? >> our intelligence agencies have already confirmed that the
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russians did hack into the dnc and to many of us who had to have our telephone numbers changed, et cetera. the question becomes, was there collusion. did this campaign, this president, and his campaign and/or allies, collude with the russians in doing the hacking and undermining our democracy? we know that putin hated hillary, they worked in some ways to try to support trump to get elected. they got what they wanted. we know that llerson, for example, who's never been in government before, who came from exxon, negotiated a multibillion dollar deal with putin to drill in the arctic and so we have enough information that lds us to, i think, a credible investigation to find out whether or not there was collusion and whether or not an
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oil deal is involved with all of this. >> you started that saying the question becomes should we wait to call for impeachment. we need to connect the dots. we need the facts in order to do the impeachment. and i'm going to work every day to try and help get those facts and to reveal them, to the republic, to our public, until, of course, impeachment is taken place. >> let's talk about his tax returns. there were, of course, those marches over the weekend, democratic leadership now trying to tie the release of those tax returns to any sort of major tax overhaul in congress. do we think that's going to be an effective way to get the president to release his tax returns? >> oh, i don't think he has any
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intention of releasing his tax returns. i think that he believes he can go forward with reform, without having to do it. he believes that he can get away with anything that he wants to get away with. but, many of us have questions about whether or not he's paid any taxes at all, whether or not he has debt to those who could maybe compromise him or blackmail him. we need to know more about him and his business deals. as you know, the conversation and discussion about his conflicts of interest are constant and we really need to see those tax returns. every president since nixon have given those tax returns and here we are, with the tax returns now that's due the last day, and he's not going to even release the latest returns. >> hey congresswoman -- >> i think it's going to be hard for him to make people believe he's credible in leading some kind of tax reform. is he doing it to benefit
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himself, his friends, we don't know. >> really quickly, congresswoman here, before i let you go, you, as you perhaps know, you've become a bit of a hero to millennials which i find humorous since i was watching the watching the o.j. simpson series a while back, and there was maxine waters from back in the day. i think folks forget how long you've been in the game. what do you think it is about you and bernie sanders right now that seems to be resonating with so many young democrats? >> well, i think the millennials have adopted me because they really do believe i speak truth to power. they see that i'm not afraid, that i am willing to say things that other people are not willing to say, to ask the kind of questions, to challenge. and that is very important to them. i think they're sick and tired of politicians being so protective of what they say and how they act, and they also tired of the media not drilling down in ways that they should to
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get at the right answers and to find out information. and so i i feel very comfortable in doing that. >> i know you do. >> many of them don't know about things that i've done in my past, where i've had the same kind of attitude. and so it is refreshing to them. they like it, and again, they adopted me. they call me auntie maxine. i've adopted them. we have a love fest going on. >> auntie maxine, i'm going to let you go. appreciate your time. thank you. >> you're welcome. we'll be right back. n squea) ok can we... sfx: (balloon squeals) i'm being so serious right now... i really want to know how your coffee is. it's... sfx: (balloon squeals) hahahaha, i had a 2nd balloon goodbye! oof, that milk in your coffee was messing with you, wasn't it? yeah. happens to more people than you think. try lactaid, it's real milk, without that annoying lactose. mmm. good right? yeah. lactaid. it's the milk that doesn't mess with you.
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that's going to do it for this hour of msnbc live. my colleague, katy tur, is here to pick things up right now. we begin this hour with breaking news. authorities confirm that a citizen tip ended the nationwide manhunt for the man suspected of killing a stranger, and then posting that murder on facebook. police say steve stephens was
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spotted mere erie, pennsylvania earlier today after a brief pursuit, he shot himself dead inside his car. >> we would prefer that it had not ended thi way because there are a lot of questions i'm sure that not only the family but the city in general would have had for steve. >> the hunt for stephens started on easter sunday when police say he executed 74-year-old man at random on a cleveland street. we have a team of reporters and analysts covering the developments in this breaking story. but let's start with nbc's jacob rascon who is in cleveland. jacob, what is the very latest abouhow this happened and what they believe stephens was doing at the time? >>eporter: so, earlier today, we know that already yesterday it was that they had a ping from his cell phone and they were looking into that. so they looked around the erie, pennsylvania area, they didn't find anything. at that time they had extended the search to not only


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