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i'm ari melber. welcome back to the hundred day special on "the point." now to the new report i mentioned last hour. what has president trump achieved in the first hundred days. we combed through every promise he made as president, every
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governing action he has taken. we found in most areas trump has not been very effective. he made a wide range of pledges as president often on twitter. he made no major public effort to follow through on more than half of them. his record also thin on legislation. of the 28 bills he signed into law. 13 essentially oppose federal agency rules drafted during the obama era. nine involve ceremonial matters. only six are of legislative substance. trump hasn't pushed bills on priorities he has promised like taxes or infrastructure. he signed a bill canceling an obama era rule on planned parenthood. that was a big issue for conservatives and liberals alike. our report finds he kept delaying his own deadline on the tax bill and missed opportunities to work with his own party in close.
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he signed a $787 billion stimulus. >> this moves the economy from recession to recovery and ultimately to prosperity. we began by passing a recovery act that's saved or created over 150,000 jobs and provided a tax cut to 95% of all working families. >> that was obama's view of his hundred-day success. bill clinton got his own party to approve a $1.5 trillion budget and franklin roosevelt set the standard, ramming 76 bills through congress. our report tracked executive orders. this is a place where trump has been busier, releasing 25 executive orders, more than obama or george w. bush at this point. while the travel ban is on hold, most of the orders are in effect. we were just reporting on trump's d.o.j., busy putting in the tougher policies on crime and immigration, coordinating with local police. we found some of his orders
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carried exceptions that cut against his own pledges. in february trump said pipe for the keystone project must, quote, come from the u.s. then his own executive guidance gave the keystone project an exception from the supposed rule. while the president touted on order limiting lobbyists in his administration it includes what's apparently an unlimited number of secret waivers. washington and the political press have obsessedver many of trump's tweets as you probably know by now. here is something important. our review shows that that could be a waste of time. president trump's pledges on twitter reveal a string of discarded ideas. he bemoaned violence in chicago and wrote "i'll send in the feds." he has not. same with many of his twitter pledges to investigate or prove his own conspiracy theories. in january he tweeted a call for a voter fraud investigation, vowed to create a commission led by pence. in march he tweeted a call for an immediate investigation in chuck schumer's alleged ties to vladimir putin. he has never acted to back up
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the tweets publicly. if there is a lesson here for the next hundred days it's pretty clear. it makes more sense to react to trump's tweets only as presidential theater, not as signs of what he'll actually do. another thing we want to report, while he's not gotten congress to act on jobs. he talks about them a lot. he spent the first hundred days tweeting repeatedly about jobs, economic data and getting the country back to work. let's be clear. he has acted on some of those pledges like cutting regulations. though whether it helps workers is up for debate. of all the bills he signed to cancel obama rules, one was a gift to corporations saying they no longer have to report when their workers are hurt or killed on the job. it's one less rule, though it's one rule some workers really wanted. we'll dig into his troubles with congress in a moment. first i'm joined by andy cohen.
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christina greer and byron dorgen of north dakota. senator, you have lived through a couple of these. your view of what we have seen from trump and specifically the numbers i just ran through? >> i can't believe it's 100 days. seems like a thousand days. i think i have trump fatigue. based on watching him for the first hundred days or so, he could really improve the situation if he just did a remedial course is how a bill becomes law, what is the power of the speaker, how does the senate really . heived his life in a different wod where what he said never mattered very much. and now he lives in a political world where what he said, what he claims, what he says he will do matters a lot. and frankly, you know, it's a pretty thin resume for the first hundred days. as you mentioned, most of it is repealing rules that are very important rules that came from the previous administration, dealing with the environment and, you know, a whole series of things that help workers and
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others. they've been busy repealing some of those rules. otherwise it's a pretty thin set of accomplishments. >> why is it easier to get a republican congress to repeal the rules rather than write new bills. >> it's called the congressional review act. one is pending in the senate. it would stop flaring of natural gas and methane from the oil wells. the interior department did a rule, and so that -- they can repeal that rule. there is no capability in the senate for filibuster or to slow it down. they need a majority to repeal it. so far on that rule they haven't gotten the majority. on all the others they've gotten their majority and they've repealed a lot of rules that were very, very important dealing with our environment and a range of other things. >> bill cohen, contrast trump's sort of, you know, schizophrenic rhetoric on hundred days. he said he's gotten more done in
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90 days than any other president. then he said the hundred-day worker is meaningless. listen to jfk's approach as he thought about the hundred days. >> all this will not be finished in the first 100 days. nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days. nor in the life of this administration. nor even in our lifetime on this planet. but let us begin. >> let us begin. go ahead. >> well, i mean, the thought of comparing donald trump to john f. kennedy or even franklin delano roosevelt who was very busy in his first hundred days including passing 15 major laws. donald trump is a master of cognitive dissonance. so is his staff. i was watching kellyanne conway on fox last night talking about how much this administration had accomplished in the first 92 or
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93 days. i don't get it. i think the only thing he's accomplished is something he has no power over which is the equity markets. most people didn't think that would happen. frankly he had nothing to do with it other than the fact that he won and hillary clinton did not, and i think that surprised and pleased a lot of people who care about corporate profits and care about the equity markets who thought he might actually did something for them, which he hasn't done yet. >> christina grier. as a political scientist you deal in more than the personality. you deal in the underlying mechanisms. the senator outlined why we're seeing the rule cancelations. most other things are harder and will only get harder. look at the bar graph on executive orders where trump has leaned in. 25 executive orders as compared to 19 for obama and 11 bush.
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if you look at that as a comparison, that tells you, okay, if he's doing it alone, he is more comfortable. jay z said either love me or leave me alone. that's an attitude celebrities sometimes have. he knows how to do it if it's alone but the loving and collaboration seems harder. >> this is a president who has essentially been raised in captivity. never hold elective office. never been in the u.s. military. it's surprising because he has a unified gerent. right. he has a republican house. he has a republican senate. and he is a republican president. one would think that you would take advantage of a unified government just in case you lose it in 2018 the same way barack obama came in in 2009 with a small window. he said let me get health care passed as quickly as possible. >> people said you have to do other stuff first. >> this is something fdr
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couldn't do. lbj and bill clinton couldn't do either. the fact that president trump -- tough to get used to saying that -- the fact he needs to go it alone when he ostensibly, if he really was a unifier and could understand coalition building and all the different factions. we've talked about factions on your show for months now. this is something the president is just now realizing, that he has to understand and bargain with people. >> right. >> he can't just bully people into policy. you can't say by friday i'm going to have an infrastructure bill, a tax bill, environmental bill and a health care bill and, you know, and a wall, if not i'm walking away. it doesn't work that way. >> i wonder if that bums out some of the republicans in the senate who have been waiting for their turn to do things. senator dorgan. i worked as a senate staffer. my observation was a lot of the senators cared about getting attention, getting reelected and getting their bills paed. that was my observation.
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think your former republican colleagues are thinking looking at this record and thinking they can't even get their own stuff through? >> health care is really big and a controversial issue and complicated. so is trying to reform the tax code. even passing a piece of legislation on infrastructure investment, which i think most members of congress would like to do in some form. these things are not easy. you know, the fact is, as i said, this president has had no experience in government. he doesn't demonstrate that he understands that you have got to get something through the house and through the united states senate. in order to do that you have got to negotiate. somebody who sits in a back row someplace with two words in the senate, "i object" which are the most powerful words in the senate, can stop something. i don't think he understands that. the other thing is his agenda is far outside the mainstream agenda. you want to put a couple billion
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dollars into building a wall and cut health care search at the n.i.h. by $6 billion. that's byzantine. >> thank you. i want to turn to another important thing with another guest. it's been two months since president trump made this plea to lawmakers in his first address to congress. >> tonight i'm also calling on this congress to repeal and replace obamacare. action is not a choice. it is a necessity. so i am calling on all democrats and republicans in congress to work with us to save americans from this imploding obamacare disaster. >> president trump's political relationships. that's what i want to talk to our next guest about, a real
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veterans of the fights and battles. julian epstein. you know how this works, you remember the criticism that barack obama didn't do enough outreach. what do you make of donald trump's inability to get action out of his own congress? >> i think that's the central question, ari. as your guests have been discussing in this show, it's been a miserable first hundred days. the president is in the dumps in terms of approval ratings. he is a very, very unpopular president. all his major initiatives have either imploded on themselves or have been blocked. he is under a criminal investigation, criminal espionage investigation right now. and on foreign policy, his actions have been so erratic and so contradictory that at times he seems kind of like a cross between a bond villain and mr. magoo. a question allen lichtman posed
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in the first hour. the first hundred days don't really matter. he can still right the ship. that's correct. bill clinton didn't have a good first hundred days in 1993, but he righted the ship. the question, to your very poignant question, we look at a couple of things. do the american people trust this president. your poll and other polls show that the american people don't trust this president. they don't think he keeps his promises. they don't think he's trustworthy by a margin of about two to one. the second question is, are republicans supporting him inside the congress. you are already beginning to see republicans peel off, not just on the aca when he attacked the freedom caucus. but republicans increasingly calling for him to release his tax returns and calling for an independent investigation because the house has screwed things up so much on the russia connection. the russia connection is real. it's getting worse, and there are serious criminal issues involved for the president's staff and potentially the president himself. and so the question you have to
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ask -- and this is a long way of answering your question -- are republicans going to start peeling off from this president? if they do, this has implications for continuing this kind of very, very poor track record in terms of accomplishing anything major that we have seen in the first hundred days because he won't have republican support. he certainly won't get democratic support. >> we had a conservative on earlier who said the good stuff is trump, the bad stuff is congress. discuss. >> that's a meaningless comment because any effective president -- and history bears this out. any effective president requires that the president control the machinery of governance. this president has not only shown an inability to control his twitter finger, but he certainly can't control his republicans in the house and senate who have continually rebuked him, rebuked him on health care. there will be another rebuke on health care coming this week
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because, guess what, republicans don't want health care reform. they want to grand stand. because their proposals are unpopular. obamacare is very popular. so unless the president can corral a majority in congress and 60 votes in the senate he'll be relegated to the margins. he'll do photo ops for insignificant executive orders but nothing that serious. he has got -- he is very unpopular. he has accomplished nothing. the real problems he has, lack of trust, republicans starting to pull off, and basic competence. he has filled about 5% of the presidentially appointed senate confirmation positions. can he right the ship? yes. >> what you call competence is really a fascinating part. we reported earlier in the show, 150 posts to fill at the pentagon. he has filled two. that's not congress' fault. nobody is in the way. it's not a political comment. you need to staff those things.
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>> 5,000, of which he has filled about 100. >> overall. julian epstein, thanks for joining us. political expert. the jobs and to drain the swamp. a special report with special guests on how that's working and why there are so many members of goldman sachs at the table. that's next. nosy neighbor with a keen sense of smell... glad bag, full of trash. what happens next? nothing. only glad has febreze to neutralize odors for 5 days. guaranteed.
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we're moving forward. next up, we'll get back to the president's three-part agenda. jobs, jobs and jobs. >> approaching its first hundred days, we want to look at how the trump ministration hasared one of the most critical issues, creating jobs. from the start of his candidacy in june of 2015 trump was touting himself as the man who could do it. >> i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. >> the most recent jobs report from march shows the economy
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added about 98,000 jobs overall. that's fewer than half the number gained for january and february. >> it's a disappointing report at 98,000, even on the low end of expectations, this is well short of what we should have seen. >> granted this isn't good. the markets bear that out. >> i can say that i did expect this number to be much stronger today. i am surprised it's low. >> there was some good news for trump in the report. unemployment down to 4.5%. that's the lowest in a decade. just this past week trump was turning back to the message of economic populism which was a big part of this campaign. he signed an executive order ba called buy american, hire american which has more thee atrices than concrete plans. there is no jobs or infrastructure legislation to date. that's a topic steve bannon was all about last year as the main way to get economic growth saying we are going to build an entirely new political movement.
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it's everything related to jobs. i am the guy pushing a trillion dollar infrastructure plan with negative interest rates throughout the world it's the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. shipyards, iron works, get them all jacked up. and a so-called political outsider, another staple of the trump campaign was to drain the swamp, basically trying to deal with all the corruption in our nation's capital. >> it is time to drain the swamp in washington, d.c. this is why i am proposing a package of ethics reforms to make our government honest once again. >> and on the campaign trail trump always talked about hillary clinton taking money from goldman sachs. >> special interests. they gave 39 speeches to big banks, including $2illion in speaking fees from goldman sachs. i would like to see what the speeches said. she doest want to release them. >> meanwhile trump assembled one
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of the highest networks cabinets in history. $14 billion. his administration has many former goldman sachs employees in key roles. treasury secretary. gary cohen. dina powell as well as the pick of james clayton, the nominee for the s.e.c. if confirmed in that role, this former lawyer for goldman would be called on by trump to oversee goldman. that might kneecap some of the oversight designed for the s.e.c. to do, a point not lost on elizabeth warren during his confirmation. >> if president trump wanted to make sure the sec would have a hard time going after his wall street friends, it seems you would be the perfect chair. >> if you use the yardstick to
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measure president trump of his own campaign rhetoric the swamp is alive and well in our nation's capital. i want to welcome ellie who worked on the trump campaign. bill cohen and policy expert dennis kelahern from the organization better markets. dennis, on this issue, what grade do you give the president, and what do you think of what we just ran through there? >> in draining the swamp, if he could get a letter grade lower than "f," he would. he's become the king of the swamp. he said he was going to drive the lawyers, lobbyists and influence peddlers out of the washington, d.c., pol-makiicy m process. he's appointed them to the white house. essentially the number two person from goldman sachs is now his most senior economic adviser. former wall streeters are running the treasury and soon will run the s.e.c. so the swamp is alive and well, and he is king of the swamp.
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and as to other matters, including, for example, jobs, not only has he not done anything on jobs, everything he has talked about so far will be detrimental to jobs, including, by the way, talking about de-regulating wall street once again. >> let me start with the swamp because we have ellie here. if trump is the king of the swamp that makes you maybe bishop or pawn of the swamp. >> i reject it. draining the swamp is not a human resources policy. it's a governing philosophy. the fact is it's about taking the power out of unelected bureaucrats sitting in back rooms and giving it back to the people of the country and appointing people who understand how business works in this country. these are people who have created jobs. to say it's just goldman sachs bankers takes it out of context. many people in this administration understand how the economy works and that's a good thing for america. >> bill cohen. >> listening, again, to trump's
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promises on the campaign trail, it leads me to conclude this may be the most cynical person to ever occupy the white house. and we have learned that how quickly now, in fewer than a hundred days we've learned what a cynical man he is. it's incredible. look, there is nothing wrong with having people from wall street serve in government positions in washington. they can bring a lot to the table. but to claim you're going to clean the swamp, drain the swamp and it's not about personnel. i thought personnel was policy. of course personnel is important. if jay clayton is going to run the s.e.c. and also be in charge of goldman sachs what do you expect to have happen? >> to ellie and then dennis. that's sort of the issue. we can put up -- this is not just a media talk. in the nbc poll among the public, 39% now say he is changing business as usually. down from 45% two months ago. there is a view here that donald
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trump, as you know, said he was going to deal with the hedge fund and goldman guys. if personnel as policy is the issue, he did drive that. >> he has also brought in rex tillerson, someone from exxonmobil, to negotiate these deals. you want these people who have cut hir teeth on negotiating deals with skin in the game rather than career politicians. in the past we have seen secretaries of state like hillary clinton or john kerry, people who, if a deal goes bad for the american people, they might not personally feel it. rex tillerson would feel it and bankers at goldman sachs would feel it too. >> that's like saying somebody is a terrific heart surgeon but i have a dental problem, but because they're such a great heart surgeon, let them work on my teeth. it's crazy to think that skills are automatically transferrable from somebody negotiating oil fields to negotiating with north korea, china, russia or another
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country. but more fundamentally, when you say he is draining the swamp because he is going after bureaucrats, he has appointed more lobbyists to government positions i think than any president in many, many years. that's the swamp. the lobbyists who are on the payroll for private sectors who want to roll back rules to get rid of clean air regulations and clean water because who in america wants that. that's the swamp. the other part of the problem is to say that these people are job creators is not true. where are the ceos of the big companies in america who have actually created hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> on his advisory panels. >> they're not on wall street. they're actually in america. he's gone to wall street time and again. bill is right. many of those people are very talented. many of those people can bring some talents to government but too many of them think that what's good for wall street is good for america.
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and 2008 proved that that is catastrophically wrong. >> bill, what is the mood on wall street? you mentioned markets being up. is the feeling that there will be less oversight and you can get away with more or not necessarily? >> i don't think wall street wants to get away with things. i think wall street wants smart regulation. right now, if it's in fact true that steve bannon may be on his way out or reince priebus may be on the way out and we see the ascendens of people who are quote-unquote the adults in the room, tillerson, mattis, gary cohn. if that's in fact true, i think wall street is pretty confident and happy to have that happen. what they don't want is children -- idealogical cry babies in the sandbox. with cohn, tillerson and mattis there is hope among the people on wall street that adults are in the room checking the incredibly bad behavior of a cynical man who is the president
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of the united states. thank you all for a spirited discussion. up next on our special edition of the point, the trump administration has had, shall we say, a complex relationship with the press. sean spicer, the press secretary, might be the physical manifestation of trump's ongoing tensions with the media. joining me nex a special panel with history of insights. floyd abrams, gay talese and many more. that's straight ahead. i love you, but sometimes you stink. ♪ new febreze fabric refresher with odorclear technology... ...cleans away odors like never before. because the things you love the most can stink. and plug in febreze to keep your whole room fresh for up... 45 days. breathe happy with new febreze.
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dale jackson from wvnn talk radio in huntsville, alabama. >> sean, thank you very much for taking questions from outside the elite media bubble there in d.c. my question is about immigration. >> with that let me go -- we're going to be here a while, guys. to the second skype seat. natalie from fox 8 in cleveland, ohio. >> secretary spicer, thank you so much -- >> sean spicer has had one of the most controversy first hundred days of anyone in the trump administration. he's at times lied from the podium. defended falsehoods and
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apologized for scandals of his own making. he's had momentary outrages that evaporated as quickly as they crested. there is an effort to redefine who gets to ask questions in the press room, which means in a practical sense, an effort by the trump administration to define who is a reporter. and that often means quieting independent reporters to make more time for partisans in an alternative universe of media. it's part technological, part media. a skype confence call hosted by sean spicer. >> does the president belihe might have spoken too quickly on this location of the vessel before it was -- >> the president said we have an armada going towards the peninsula. that's a fact. it happened. it is happening, rather. >> that turned out not to be a fact. this is a press shop that kicked off trump's first week with one of the most memorable phrases of the year. >> don't be so overly dramatic
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about it, chuck. you're saying it's a falsehood. they're giving sean spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. but the point -- >> wait a minute. alternative facts? >> there is nothing new about government officials fighting with reporters but an effort to replace the press corps with skype partisans or fake news does feel different and trump's effort to embarrass the press corps rather than work with them is also an evolution of older tactics. from the a.p. in february. they obtained a report that outlined a potential plan for a hundred thousand troops to round up immigrants. the white house refused to discuss the report with a.p. reporters when they made inquiries and afterward called the whole thing a lie. even if the white house was correct to begin with, it's odd that they prioritized attacking the story more than trying to correct it before it existed.
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it's a tone that obviously comes from the top, and trump says he is making progress. >> the dishonest media, which has published one false story after another, with no sources, even though they pretend they have them, they make them up in many cases -- they just don't want to report the truth, and they've been calling us wrong now for two years. they don't get it. but they're starting to get it. i can tell you that. >> joining me now for this special discussion. gay talese, the writer for es kwooi choir, "new york times." floyd abrams and i should note he is my old boss. reporter for the "new york times." lloyd grove from the daily beast and eric deggens, tv reporter and critic for npr. gay, what do you make of the white house trying to pick and choose who is a reporter in that
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briefing room and adding new voices, which might be okay, but some of them being highly partisan? >> quite apart from the possibility of being highly partisan, i actually welcome new voices, and the "new york times," if you read the paper this morning, the executive editor and publisher have both decided that they want the "new york times" to reach out to red america. i think that's the phrase. they even hired a conservative columnist to join the left-leaning op-ed writers. i believe that the "times" which is our favorite newspaper, floyd and i, is doing what is the proper thing, is trying to be more embrang of the larger america, including the voices that had been diminished by the somewhat centered voices that we recognize as the establishment press.
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>> a fair political point, and then, floyd, the flip-side, of always being concerned if the government is getting too involved. >> sure. especially when this seems like a -- listening to your earlier panels, people said there is no policy here, there is no policy there. there is a policy here. i think the policy is to diminish the significance, the importance, and the role of the great american press institutions that have been center stage in the past, and to substitute for them institutions that the president views as more favorable to him. to that extent, that's very new. i mean, we have had a lot of clashes, as you point out, through american history between presidents and the press, but never, i think, like a policy of daily denigration that we have seen, and for a purpose of
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changing the public perception of who is a journalist, who is trustworthy, who is someone i might even listen to. >> eric, speak to that. floyd is saying it's different to say something is biased news or unfair news and to say it's not news, it's false, fake or needs to be replaced by whoever you call in on skype. >> i mean, it seems that the trump administration is doing both. they are accusing mainstream news outlets of beginniginning that isn't true and is even politically biased. i like the idea of new voices but the problem is the new voices that are being introduced only seem to be from one part of the political spectrum. i wonder how some conservative pundits would feel if president obama had opened up skype, used technology to bring in new
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voices, and the only voices that he brought in were people from left-leaning news organizations or from left-leaning punditry outlets. so i like the idea of an expanded group of journalists getting to ask questions, but it would be nice to see if they were honest brokers, number one, and if they were -- if they represented a wide spectrum of different new voices rather than new voices from a political spectrum that might support the president. >> lloyd and then yamish. >> this is no doubt that the trump white house has declared the press the enemy of the people and an opposition party. on an operational level, there has never been more access. there is much more access in the trump white house, if you ask a white house reporter, than there has been in the obama white house, just in terms of the availabili of white house
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aides to talk to reporters on background. mostly what they want to talk about is palace intrigue, not pentag policy. >> the president just did an interview with a.p. like he just did with "time." i gave the a.p. example, which may come off as a little random or boring, but i chose it because it was an important story where the a.p., which is not nothing, they literally get presidential-level interviews, were told, we're not going to tell you anything about this d.h.s. thing and once they publish they're attacked. isn't that prohibiting access to facts and corroboration. >> of course. but if memory served that happened a while ago. i am not sure we could come up with a more recent incident like that. i think they're finding their sea legs to an extent. of course, the press is still the enemy. politico just had a long article in which they describe what they call the fake war on the media,
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whereas, on surface, the press is still the enemy of the people and trump will continue to call out reporters. yet, one of his least favorite outlets, the "new york times," gets oval office access on a regular basis. >> yammish, you are a current political reporter for the "new york times." go ahead. >> two things are going one. one, yes, the administration has declared war on the media. they are openly hostile and seeking to delegitimize media in some ways. you have a president and press secretary that have lied and pushed back on the idea that the media can give you facts that are indisputable. there is that going on. the idea that, yes, he is talking to my colleagues, giving us access to his people and people are talking to us on background. when you think about the fact that he hasn't released his tax returns, that they don't want to release visitor logs from the white house, and we don't know who is coming and going from the white house, those are actual
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things that we want to know that are not being told to us. i will add that, yes, we hired a conservative columnist. as someone who spent year of my life going around the country, going to red states, blue states, interviewing people, writing stories about obama voters voting for trump before he was elected. in some ways it's hard as a journalist to hear that we might have missed the story. as someone who has written about racial justice and how people think about the world for a long time i for one and a lot of reporters at the "new york times" were very much chronicling how this election was playing out. >> if the critique is that donald trump didn't get enough attention for what he was saying during the campaign, count me out. the analysis is analysis people always disagree on. i think he was underestimated and disrespected in some ways. i want to ask gay talese about the credibility of the government. we're going to fit in a quick break and come right back with that.
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can you say affirmatively that whenever the president says something, we can trust it to be real? >> if he's not joking, of course. every time he speaks authoritatively, that he speaks, he is speaking as president of the united states. >> the credibility of the president, the role of the press. we have a special panel. we continue turning back to gay talese and floyd abrams here. is this different, in all of the different press that you have covered and you have basically represented the press, the credibility of this particular president and how the press deals with it. >> i think it has become a press problem of how to deal with it. i mean, the president says, in so many words, without equivocation, crime rates went up under president obama, say, when they went down. what are you to do with that as a journalist who does not want to be viewed as political and who does not want his
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publication to be viewed as, sort of, taking on the president every day? and the answer is, in this world, you report it, you comment on it, and then you are denounced for being partisan. that's a big problem. >> okagay. >> i think the achievement of these hundred days has been that trump h gained the attention of sections of this country that were paying no attention. >> to civic life, to government? >> i believe that we have an alliance of interest from all quarters of america in our government that was not true in the no-drama obama years. what i mean to say, having -- for example, the musical "hamilton" drew people into caring about history, and obama did not do that as this guy,
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whether you like him or not and most don't like him. the point is, he has been a producer of news. he is like a show-biz character. he is a new yorker. he is the blusty george steinbrenner guy who went to new york, the towering city, the builder. >> doing it from within. you are laughing. >> what he's doing, though, is really interesting and, i think, positive, in that he's bringing the conversation that would not have involved people into the realm of washington. watching the sean spicer show is show biz. in all my long years, ari, i have never found more interest in the hundred days as i do now as just a watcher of television. >> go ahead. >> i think it's true except that it's not a good thing for us to sort of honor duplicity.
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>> duplicity? it's out of shakespeare, man plays many parts. all the world is a we've seen are things that are simply untrue, inaccurate. not even mistaken. >> eric is the tv critic. are people watching it, or do they hate watching it? >> i think you hit on the truth, which is that this administration makes so much news in a day, in a ek, that people are constantly coming t news outlets to find out what happened and to have it conte contexti contextized. i do think we are in a single moment where most politicians -- most of us that have been in journalism in a while try to avoid mistruths or avoid lying as long as they can before actually doing it. with trump he starts by saying
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whatever he wants to say. sometimes it is inaccurate. sometimes it seems to be a deliberate misstatement. and his people have to deal with it and the press has to deal with it. and i think sean spicer in particular has been in a situation where he's had to try to prove things that the president has tweeted or has said that are obviously not true. and he's tied himself in knots to do it and that's affected his credibility with both the press and the public. >> other people are involved in this. when the fbi has to spend resources investigating a false allegation and then testify about it, instead of what he normally does, national security, crime, these other priorities, that's a problem with the so-called show. >> that's a problem with the show, but the show is still being watched and garnering the attention that donald trump wants it to garner. so in some ways yes. in some ways it's problematic, but everybody is tuning in to watch the nbi director make the
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statement. the one thing i say is that donald trump has shown to be a master of the media and shown to pick and choose how he wants to be covered. if it's some big story about russia, all he has to do is tweet about north korea. so i think that's the thing that's also been frustrating but also is a big challenge for media. how do we learn to cover tweets and focus on policy. as someone writing about poor people and the policies about donald trump and how he's going to affect every day peop's lives, that's hard to get people to pay attention to those stories if they're interested in the latest tweet or latest angry thing he's said. it's not hurting his brand at all. his brand is i changed my mind. i'm joking if i get caught in a lie. >> lloyd? >> there is no doubt that president trump can call the tune and direct coverage, but it's not a governing strategy
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clearly because, you know, the latest polls show he hasn't expanded his support beyond his 40% face and he hasn't passed any legislation. so at some point he may have to figure out, well, how is my media strategy going to help me govern because so far it has not. >> and two or three sentences your final word on what reporters should focus on? >> as close as it gets to the truth, fairly presented, i believe that they do to a great degree achieve that. i believe i have not had much quarrel with the press at all. i celebrate it. >> thank you so much. the point, we'll be right back. . love is knowing... he's the one. (vo) was meant to be. and love always keeps you safe. we're fine. (vo) love is why we built a car you can trust.
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