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honestly believe we'd be better off without this. this country cannot afford to live through these critical, scary years, with a fail you're at the top. that's hard hard for n"hardball. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> if i did a tenth, a tenth of what she did, i would be in jail today. >> michael flynn back in the headlines. >> lock her up, that's right. >> the bipartisan announcement alleging it was michael flynn who broke the law. >> it doesn't appear as if he complied with the law. >> tonight, why the white house is refusing to release documents on flynn. then -- >> i don't like the word accomplice. >> the first daughter booed on her first foray onto the world stage as an adviser to the president. >> whom are you representing? your father as the president of the united states, the american people, or your business? and how did donald trump get
$400,000 from someone living at an empty lot in jersey? >> i turn on one of the networks, and they show an empty field. >> the incredible new investigation of donald trump's inaugural fund-raising when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight, another dramatic development in the ongoing investigation into president trump's disgraced former national security adviser michael flynn, a man who now stands accused of potentially breang federal law by not disclosing payments he received from the governments of russia and turkey while seeking his security clearance. >> general flynn had a duty and an obligation to seek and obtain permission to receive money from foreign governments prior to any engagement with them. as a former military officer, you simply cannot take money from russia, turkey, or anybody
else. and it appears as if he did take that money. >> there's also no evidence that he sought permission to obtain these funds from a foreign source. this is a major problem. >> flynn, who famously led a chant of "lock her up" at the republican national convention now potentially faces charges himself, which could carry a penalty of up to five years in prison. his lawyer says flynn did brief the department of defense over his payments from russia. >> do you think michael flynn broke the law? >> it doesn't appear as if he complied with the law. now, we need the final determination to be made, but the inspector general at the department of the defense is there. we were obviously involved. i don't see any evidence that he actually did comply with the law. >> allegations against flynn came during a rare moment of bipartisanship on capitol hill with republican house oversight committee chair jason chaffetz, who has announced his plans to retire, joining elijah cummings
to make the announcement. chaffetz and cummins do differ on one key issue. last month the two sent a letter to the white house requesting documents related to flynn. they got nothing in return. while chaffetz maintains the white house is acting in good faith, cummins sees things differently. >> the white house has refused to provide this committee with a single piece of paper in response to our bipartisan request, and that's simply unacceptable. >> more on that including sean spicer's sputtering defense in a moment. but it's worth pausing here to remember who exactly we're talking about. flynn received nearly $34,000 in 2015 to speak at a gala celebrating russian state tv where he dined with vladimir putin. he was also paid more than half a million dollars for lobbying work on behalf of the increasingly authoritarian turkish government, work that he did while simultaneously working on trump's campaign, whose motto at times was "america first," attending classified briefings.
and on election day, flynn even wrote an op-ed headlined, our ally turkey is in crisis and needs our support. remember, nobody knew flynn was working for the turkish government at the time. last month, after having been fired from the trump administration for allegedly lying about conversations and the nature of those conversations with the russian ambassador on the day that sanctions went into effect, flynn belatedly registered as a foreign agent for his lobbying work for turkey. lobbying that today was also linked to russia. at the white house today, sean spicer insisted the white house was not stonewalling by not releasing documents related to flynn. >> to ask for every call or contact that a national security adviser made is -- is prett outlandish if you will. right now to ask the white house to produce documts that were not in the possession of the white house is -- is ridiculous. >> president trump of course has long bragged about how tough his vetting would be to protect the
nation. >> i call it extreme vetting. i call it extreme, extreme vetting. our country has enough problems. we don't need more, and these are problems like we've never had before. >> trump contends, for example, that the obama era policy to vet syrian children who are fleeing war, a rigorous process that usually lasts more than 18 months, is far too lax, which is why he tried to indefinitely ban those children from entering the country altogether. yet when it came to the man that trump tapped personally to be the top adviser to the president on foreign policy, a man who was secretly working as a literal foreign agent, a man who did not disclose a secret payment from russia, it appears the trump administration did virtually no vetting at all. joining me now, colonel lawrence wilkerson, former chief of staff to secretary of state colin powell. as someone who has served in
government in a number of capacities, i find this quite astounding what we are learning about michael flynn and what he and did not disclose. >> i do too, chris. i find it astounding about the way the trump administration is apparently filling key slots in its bureaucracy. i was just acquainted with the head of the selective service commission. i think he's a washington senator by the name of benton, who is supposed to go to the epa, but because of his environmental stance apparently, pruitt didn't want him at the epa. so they made him the head of the selective service commission. this is nonsense. this is not the way to fill out the bureaucracy that's going to serve this administration. >> you know, in flynn's case, there's this particular thing that i cannot quite get my head around, which is this is someone who ran one of the intelligence agencies of the government, the dia. this is someone who presumably is familiar with counterintelligence, with attempts to curry favor or to
create relationships of dependence through financial payments with people that hold key access to classified information. the idea that he wouldn't recognize the conflict here and not disclose it is -- i just can't imagine what was going through his head. >> i find it difficult too. i got all kinds of briefings when i came into the government, particularly when i came into the higher levels, both with the chairman of the joint chiefs and then with the secretary of state, and it was very clear to me, plus as a military professional i had a special feeling about it ethically and morally that there were certain things i didn't do, not even sometimes because they were against the law but because of the impropriety it would look like to the american people. so either flynn is one of the dumbest individuals who has ever lived, or as some are insinuating, he really had some nefarious purposes going here. for example, advocating for turkey at a point in time when he had actually become a member
of the administration. >> there is, of course, the thing that i always come back to flynn is that he is the one person who sort most publicly lost his job the russian nexus. it has to do with the fact that he had several points of contact with the russian ambassador on the day the sanctions went into effect. the white house dissembled at first, said there was only one call,lator said there were many calls. said sanctions were not discusses. it turns out sanctions were discussed. that remains an unresolved question about what they talked about and why flynn would lie about it, a question we still don't have the answer to that i would like to know the answer to. wouldn't new. >> i would. i think it's much bigger than that, chris. i think flynn may be a focal point of it, but i think it's much bigger than that. i don't see any of the four committees, as i understand who are now looking into the potential or possible russian interference with the elections and perhaps even more than that. i don't see a real eagerness. i don't see a real effort to go after these issues, and that's
disturbing because if we really have some of the things that have been alleged even in part happening, then this is a serious -- a most serious national security issue, and we should be looking into it post-haste. i think about harry truman and his senate investigative committee looking into nefarious dealings and corruption during world war ii. harry would never let this get by. >> it's true. that truman president is interesting because he was looking into a democrat, and he was a democrat. there was a sense that it might have been embarrassing for the administration. but of course there was also sense tt it made his political reer in ctain ways. it does seem to me that there is the sort of partisan loyalties particularly on the hill seem to be overdetermining the response to this. and if i imagine hillary clinton's national security adviser being fired and then found out to be a literal undeclared foreign agent, i feel like republicans would really sink their teeth into that. >> no doubt.
no doubt at all. i think the adversary relationship that was built into our government institutionally and also in the interpretation of human character that our founders had, jefferson, franklin, munroe, all of them who put this together, i think they saw that addver sarrial relationship doing what you imply the with regard to harry truman. it was the fact that he had a position, politically speaking, that worked within the institutional warp and woof of our government. they don't exist anymore. everyone's out for his own political party. everyone's out to murder whoever is in the white house as long as they're of a different stripe than they. everyone is out for political gain and political power, and few are looking at the good of the country. >> all right. colonel lawrence wilkerson, thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> joining me now, democratic representative maxine waters of california.
congresswoman, i guess i'd like your reaction to seeing today -- it was a rare moment to see jason chaffetz, the chair of that economy, and congressman cummings, cometogether, address the podium together and call for sort of investigative action together. >> absolutely. well, you know, more and more information is coming out about the connections of the trump allies and some people in his cabinet, and their connections to russia. and it's only going to get worse. michael flynn asked for imcommuniimmunity because he know he's got problems. he did not disclose that he had taken money from russia at the time he was seeking a security clearance. he's taken money from turkey while he was, i guess, already being asked to serve on the nsa. and so we have some serious problems here with those who are in that russian kremlin clan as i call them, who are after
making money and having trump as president to have a good relationship with putin and the kremlin so that they can make money. whether you're talking about contracts like manafort has with the ukraine or you're talking about flynn with turkey and with russia, you're talking about people who are interested in making money, trying to lift the sanctions so that russia can drill for oil in the arctic. you've got tillerson there, whose only reason for being there is lifting these sanctions so that they can drill for oil. and so you are talking about a president who said he was going to drain the swamp. he's filling up the swamp with those are aligned with him. it's all about money. follow the dollar. >> i want to talk about that because you've raised tillerson a few times on the progra obviously there's a connection there. tillerson got t ord of friendship from vladimir putin. they negotiated a massive oil deal. it is subject to the sanctions, and exxon actually applied for a
waiver from those sanctions. but my understanding is that it essentially has been held up as of now even though the trump government is in control. doesn't that counteract the sort of -- the working theory that you have? >> no, absolutely not. as a matter of fact, there was all this talk about putin would probably not meet with tillerson when he was in moscow. i told everybody, he's going to meet with him. i had no hesitation about thinking like that because they're friends. they're allies. tillerson is there to get those sanctions lifted. >> hmm. >> and even though the treasury department has denied the waiver for the time being, and that's only for a part of it, for the black sea, they're going to come back. i want to tell you it doesn't stop here. they have to work to get those sanctions lifted so that they can get the equipment and supplies that they need from us and their allies in order to drill. they're focused on that. watch tillerson. follow what he's doing. >> so you think the trump
administration -- i just want to be clear here because you have -- i feel like your theory of this or your sense of it is more fleshed out than other people i've encountered. you really think that at the core of this is a desire by the trump administration to ultimately lift the sanctions on russia, which have been imposed for several reasons, first the occupation of crimea, then the hacking of the dnc and john podesta, tha their uimate goal here and the nexus of whatever interaction and back channels there might have been resolve around that. that's your contention? >> yeah, it is. as a matter of fact, this president came into office praising putin, talking about he was a great president, not ever saying anything about the fact that he invaded and took over crimea, not even criticizing him for the murders and the poisonings that's taken place in russia against people who have been opposed to putin and what he's doing. and they're refusing to reveal information about flynn, and
they know that he discussed sanctions with the russian ambassador. they know that he took money from rt. they know what is going on. and don't forget manafort was his campaign manager, and his campaign manager had connections with the ukraine and with russia while he was in that campaign. >> let me ask you about congressman chaffetz because he's quite a controversial figure. he has really thrown everyone, utah, and i think on capitol hill for a loop by announcing preemptively that he's not going to seek re-election, that he might actually leave early. then today he comes out with elijah cummings. do you have an understanding of what it is you think congressman chaffetz is do something. >> no, i really don't. there is a lot of speculation about what he's doing. there are those who were told that he's trying to position himself to run for higher office, and i think it's for governor. there are those who think that he, in some ways, have some connections to what is going on in the ukraine and perhaps in
russia itself and knows something about all of this. i don't really know. i can't say, but he's strange in the way that he's conducting himself. d mae he thinks that if he rolls out and points to the fact that something is going on with flynn that he did not disclose, and this is criminal, i mean he's violated a federal law, that somehow this will raise him above maybe what connections he may have with the kremlin. i don't know. but we need to keep an eye on him. >> i should say, congresswoman, i have not seen any evidence produced of that. i've encountered that speculation also. but we'll look for the evidence. thanks as always for being with me. >> thank you. up next, he was the last republican standing against trump in the presidential election, and now governor john kasich is speaking out. he joins me here after this two-minute break. if you've tried every pill on the shelf to treat your tough nasal allergies...
the president said he plans to unveil a tax reform package as early as tomorrow until which businesses and individuals will get, and i quote here, a massive tax t. "wall street journal" is reporting trump wants to cut the corporate rate to 15%. financial times points out that a cut in the u.s. corporate tax rate from 35% to 15% as the president is expected to call for tomorrow would cost $2.2 trillion in lost revenue for ten years according to alan cole. now, trump treasury secretary steve mnuchin has suggested the tax cut would pay for itself because the plan would lead to increased economic growth. if mnuchin is wrong and the history suggests he very well might be, these cuts will be financed by issuing public debt. the question becomes with this plan, with its potential for making a mockery of deficit reduction, will it pass a republican congress putatively devoted to fiscal responsibility. joining me now, john kasich, 2016 presidential candidate, whose new book is called, two paths, americans united or
divided, and who i saw in a barn in new hampshire n a snow-covered picturesque barn. it does make a mockery of all the putative talk if you just pass a -- >> well, do you have children? >> i do. >> how old are they? >> they're 5 and 3. >> mine are 17, and the debt is $20 trillion. >> right. >> i think it's fair to say, chris, that if you cut taxes, you will have, like the corporate tax, which is really the highest in the world, right? if we cut it, there will be some positive economic activity. but you just can't say we're just going to cut taxes, and everything is going to be great. there have to be some pay-fors. what do i think congress is going to do? i have no clue. but i'm actually in favor of a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. >> first of all, i think the deficit is not a problem and the debt's not really a problem. we have a reserve currency, and
we'll be fine. that said, let's bracket that for a second. it has been the record of republicans -- this is something republicans have been consistent on. ronald reagan, huge deficit, financed tax cut. george bush. we're going to get a big deficit, financed tax cut. at the same time republicans are saying they care about balanced budgets, but the proof is in the pudding. the deficits go up under republican presidents. why not just be honest about what they're doing? >> i think they believe in this idea of dynamic scoring, and i've warned them about it. you know, i say if you dynamically score taxes, then you're going to have democrats dynamically score pespending on domestic programs, so it's dangerous. i do believe there is a legitimate amount of dynamic scoring, but if you overdo it, you're kansas, right? you just cut the taxes, bus you don't pay for it, and then you go in the hole. >> do you think kansas is a disaster? >> i really haven't studied it except i know they're very much in the hole, and i think they -- what they did is they passed a
dessert without paying for it. so in my state, when i cut taxes, which i believe in -- i think low taxes are critical -- we didn't dynamically score. >> no, you cut a lot of stuff on the spending side. >> no, that's not what we did. when we ran sur pluses, we had three choices. we could spend it, two, we could save it, or we could give it back. so it's an interesting thing what we did. >> here's my question here is that people talk about deficits like they ce about them. but my theory is that n one actually does care about them. >> well, i do. >> no, but no one's behavior in washington suggests -- >> not recently. >> here's the one place where republicans care about deficits and it's when you had a lot of power in balanced budgets. >> right. >> when there's a republican congress and a democratic president, republicans care about deficits. would you agree? >> yeah, i mean i think that's probably fair to say. >> right? because you have the clinton years, balanced budgets. and then you've got the tea party years.
>> we promised in the contract with america. i spent ten years of my life to get us there. >> but why doesn't that apply when a -- >> i think it should. it should. look, for me, i don't operate -- look, i don't operate by checking out what the heck they want me to do at the republican national committee. >> right. >> my job is to look forward to what it is that's going to lift people in this country. that's to some degree what my book is about. when i tell you about the debt, what i'm worried is your kids someday will have to pay it. it just doesn't disappear. you have to pay it off, and it's a burden. and as debt goes up, the debt costs go up, that means you don't have other things to spend money on. >> you just have to service it. you never have to pay it off. >> you have to service it and -- but as the debt gets bigger and bigger -- look, we're not going to spend our time here arguing economics. you're a liberal. i'm a conservative. >> no, i like that, though. >> but what i want to talk about is what's happening in our country, what's happening in our culture. we're increasingly not listening to one another. we're not respecting one another. we have to drive this change
fr where we live to the top. i believe that grassroots activism on things that bring us together, where you and i can agree on things like -- we can agree on things like how we have to fight the prescription drug problem. we can agree on what we need to do about food banks and poverty. we can agree on the fact we need -- >> medicaid expansion? >> but i'm talking about what we can do locally. >> right. >> because if you think about some of the great movements in this country, they started with the people when the politicians paid no attention. we can't -- look, we can't have a situation where all that a liberal will do is listen no msnbc and read liberal newspapers any more than conservatives ought to watch fox news and read "the wall street journal." we have to have some cross, and we've got to stop fighting and respect one another. >> right. and you and another person believes that is barack obama. i also think that the sort of increasing polarization of the country has a lot of deleterious effects. >> yes. families can't even get along. you know, people are yelling at one another. mothers and fathers yelling at their kids as with nicolle
wallace. she said my parents and i we can't even talk about politics. that's completely crazy because anything we want to do, if we want to fix social security, reform the tax code, we want to do health care, you have to have both parties involved. >> are you running for something? >> no. >> like what is -- i don't mean that in -- because you sound like -- here's what it sounds like to me. i've read parts of the book and not all of it, but the parts i've read seem to suggest a path and a vision of the way i would like our politics to work. i think i'm a good vessel for that. >> or our culture to look. >> sort of infused together, kind of like political culture. it sounds like someone who is saying,'m staking a claim. >> no, no, no. it's not even our political culture. look at what happened with united. there's where you have some guy being yanked off a plane. they didn't even realize he was a human being? they didn't pay him any respect. they just yanked him off like a widget. how about epipen jacking up their prices or wells fargo -- >> what is this thing? what's the central thing that's
driving this? you call it a crisis of leadership. you call it -- >> part of it is is self-absorption. we are beginning to -- we're not done with this. we're okay. there are so many good things happening. but i am concerned that we are no longer looking at our neighbor and treating them as we would like to be treated by them. and so it's really a lack of some virtue, values, all these things because i want to respect you. you're a successful guy, a young guy. i may not agree with you, but i will find things. you know nina turner who was at this channel? she and i worked -- >> in fact, i'll tell you some. it was hard to find democrats who would criticize you on this show, particularly when they're working with you because you did have a working relationship. but here's the question, right? >> and we need that across the board. >> we do. but the other thing is -- and i hear a lot of interesting parallel at 60s, partly because i think that was an intensely polarized time when you talk
about families fighting with each other. but also like there is some level at which the friction of that conflict is part of what happens around social progress in any direction, right? >> yes. >> it's like i totally get what you're saying about this polarization, but it also like, politics is about conflict at the end of the day. we're not going to void that ever. >> look, i grew up in a turbulent time. you know, i was in college in the 1970s, and there's nothing -- there's everything right with activism. there's everything right with the people rising up and saying we've had enough. we're not going to take it anymore. but we're now moving to where we can't even hear one another or where there's vitriol and even to some degree hatred. look, you look when obama was president, republicans couldn't even agree that he was born in america. too many of them couldn't say that. now democrats look at trump and they can't give him credit for anything. we're not going to get anywhere to fix the major problems if all we're doing is dividing ourselves. and, look, chris, at the end of the day, how did martin luther king change things? he didn't goef to the politicians.
he changed the culture at the grassroots level. >> but he also was an incredibly polarizing figure. my favorite document in the canon isn't the letter from the birmingham jail. it's the letter from the white clergy written to him that he responds to, which basically says, you are dividing people and riling people up with your activism by coming down here to the point where we can barely talk to each other. >> but the letter from birming ham jail said that no law of man that does not square with the law of god is moral. >> that's right. >> and he always seized the high moral ground. you know why he won? because when the police brought the dogs and the batons and pounds people over the head in the early days of television, no matter who we we, republican, democrat, beral, conservave, rich, poor, we said that is not america, and we won't put up with it anymore. and he drove it to the top, not from the top down. bottom up. >> governor john kasich, thank you for making time tonight. lots more ahead. don't go anywhere. ...it starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world.
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there are still two big mysteries surrounding the fund-raising for the. his inaugural $107 million, more than double the previous record set by president obama's first inauguration. but as our own rafrple maddow has documented, the current president's festivities were nowhere as big as obama's. funeral inaugural balls. no big acts. his crowds as we know quite famously were far smaller. all of which raises an important question. >> why did they raise so much extra money? this is a strange thing. $107 million, and now in all likelihood, they're just sitting on tens of millions of dollars that were left over from something that wasn't that big and wasn't that expensive. >> but there's another big question, about the president's
inauguration. where did all the money come from? we started to get answers last week when the inaugural committee released its required filings with the federal election commission. now, the largest single donation at $5 million was from sheldon aidleson. $250,000 from billionaire kelsey warren, whose company is building the dakota access pipeline. a half million, perhaps somewhat surprisingly from citgo petroleum. but when a reporter for "the huffington post" started digging into some of the less recognizable names on the list, she noted something very strange. they did not seem to exist. there were no public recos, for example, related to one isabel t john, who is listed as having donated $400,000, which is a lot of money, to the inaugural committee. the address listed for isabel t. john is an empty lot in new jersey, where electronics company lg just broke ground on
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chunks of that money came from. with helps from hundreds of volunteers poring over pages and pages of filings, "the huffington post's" christina wilkie turned up evidence that some of the president's donors were recorded incorrectly or may have even tried to hide their identities. now thanks to wilkie and her crowd sourced reporting, the president's inaugural committee is admitting its financial report was riddled with errors. vowing to correct the many faulty donor records. they even resolved the case of one isabel t. john who gave a reported $400,000 to the inaugural committee and who does not seem to exist. her listed address in new jersey is an empty lot. according to a spokesperson, isabel and john ta nellie are the real donors and the donation was made by wir transfer from citi back which used that address to facilitate the transfer. i'm joined by christina wilkie, white house reporter for "the huffington post." christina, you've been doing great work on this. it seems to me a lot of this is pretty shoddy in terms of what's actually in that document.
>> yes. i think the word you're looking for is probably negligent. you know, this was -- these are campaign -- not campaign. they're inaugural contributions, so the reporting requirements are serious. and the ftc requires that you report not only the name of the donor, but that donor's address. you're not allowed to report the routing address of your bank as your address. you're not allowed to report the address of a frid of yours who gave you their access code to use. you're not allowed to write your company's name and then just a city and state. and all of these happened multiple times in this 500-page document. >> you've also got these llcs where we just don't know anything about who's giving the money here. we're not talking $100, $200, we're talking $25,000. jan castle, will llc, address listed as a p.o. box. who knows? that's just like a mystery donation from out of nowhere to the inaugural committee that we
don't know anything about. >> that we don't know anything about, that the inaugural committee is looking for. they're trying to find out who this is. you know, so companies are allowed to donate to inaugural committees, and that's one of the reasons that there's so much money here and that there's such big numbers. but what you're not allowed to do is use a full shell corporation. so your company has to be operational. it has to be real and do something. and so when we saw this company that had been founded just eight weeks before, chances are in eight weeks they haven't had enough time to do enough of anything to make that $25,000 that they then turned over to the trump inauguration. so it really should -- i mean it raises big red flags, and it's exactly the kind of shell corporation -- this is part of the reason you're not allowed to give straight corporate money to political campaigns, because once you open up that door, it becomes really hard all of a sudden to tell who is who. >> right. here's another one. this is another perfect example. it's fececord for frank a-rod
rig easy, another25,000 from singapore. says u.s. citizenship verified but the listed address doesn't seem to exist. again, is that a -- i mean the question in all this stuff and partly because some of this stuff is shown to be errors, is it error or deception? that is sort of the core question to me. >> right. it really is the donor has an obligation to report themselves accurately. so if you're looking for deception, arguably it would be on the side of some of these -- you know, of these no-name, shell llcs. but there's also a responsibility on the part of the committee, especially when they're taking enormous donations like this isabel t. john, this $400,000. for them to verify who this money is coming from so that they report it correctly by the law. >> yeah. >> so, yeah, all we know is that rodriguez lives in a seedy part of singapore, and that's it. >> all right. well, that's a good tease for a detective. christina, thank you very much.
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in germany fielded a question about her role in the administration. >> what is your role, and whom are you representing, your father as the president of the united states, the american people or your business? >> well, certainly not the latter, and i am rather unfamiliar with this role as well as it is quite new to me. it has been a little under 100 days, but it is just been a remarkable and incredible journey. >> ivanka trump was invited by german chancellor angela merkel nepw20 summit focused on women and leadership. but the unintended audience participation portion of the audience came at the end of a long swrs in which she touted her commitment to paid family leave. >> he's been a tremendous champion of supporting families and enabling them to -- the new reality of --
>> you are hearing the reaction from the audience, so i need to address one more point. some attitudes toward women your father has publicly displayed in former times might leave one questioning whether he is such an empower for women. how do you relate to that or are things changing, or what's your comment on that? >> i've certainly heard the criticism from the media, and that's been perpetuated, but i know from personal experience, and i think the thousands of women who have worked with and for my father for decades when he was in the private sector are a testament to his belief and solid conviction in the potential of women. and their ability to do the job as well as any man. >> should be noted there are more white men in cabinet positions in the trump administration than in any first cabinet since the administration
of ronald reagan in the 1980s. civil rig attorney lisa bloom, noelia prince, author of "all the presidents bankers" doing some reporting on the trump org. i found that moment cringe-inducing. a lot of people felt that way. you tweeted this. thank you, germany, for booing ivanka trump. her daddy say predator who stands with predators, never with women. chris cillizza wrote this against the boos and defending ivanka trump. basically saying you can hate donald trump's views on the treatment of women but do expect ivanka trump to publicly condemn her father or his record on women's issues is a bridge too far. it's impossible to know what ivanka trump does or doesn't do to influence her father's views behind the scenes. the fact she is his daughter, booing her for defending her dad is poor form. >> she has an office in the white house. she has a staff that we are all paying for through our tax dollars. if she were living a private life, it would be different. but she has assumed this role
and we certainly have the right to criticize her. you know she wants to call herself a feminist and talk about women's empowerment. i can't think of a single specific policy that she could support. stronger pay equity laws. a longer statute of limitations for sexual harassment and retaliation claims. at least supporting planned parenthood so that those of white house don't have billionaire daddyes can get health care. ivanka wants the office. she wants the title. she wants to be out on the world stage but god forbid anybody asks her a tough question. that seems to be out of bounds for he >> she didn't -- the people that are saying it was out of bounds question are not her. she sort of responded and -- >> but she doesn't answer the questions. >> that is true. that seems to be an m.o. of hers in these interviews. i thought that first question got to something deep here which is, again, there's a certain amount of distancing from the business that jared kushner and
ivaun ivanka have done. they're in these entangled relationships with active businesses while going around conducting official business. what do we know about the what the nature of that nexus is? >> what we know is to the trump organization, the white house is kind of a branch office. that's really what's going on because even the fact that we consider her -- we're told that she's an unpaid adviser. the reality is there are actual codes of federal regulations that state specifically that an employee of the executive office, whether or not they get paid, or not based on the amount of time they are doing that actual job, are still under the ethics rules and the fact you cannot use a public office for private gain. if you are on the world stage and having tons of meetings, whether it's at the white house or winter white house or wherever, where you are also negotiating deals, where deals are happening, coincidentally while meeting with world leaders, that's part of
financially growing a brand. if you look at the website right now today, at this moment of the trump organization under the down tab next generation, i vaunka is there with her brothers and donald trump and it specifically says there are three people responsible for development and acquisitis under the trump organization, of which one is ivanka. they aren't even bothering to hide it in lots of places. >> that's a truly excellent point. lisa, you talked about the image of her feminism, women's equality. she has been the sort of person who has been the face of the family leave plan, although lots of substance criticisms about how massively distributionally skewed that was. it would help wealthy families much more than poor ones. what do you say to people who say, look, you just don't like her politics so you're not letting her in the club? >> she's welcome to be in the club if -- i'm glad she's at least a pretend feminist. maybe that's the first step. but it takes more than just defending daddy wherever you go. and hats off to the german
audience who asked her those real questions and tough questions that she never wants to answer about her father bragging about sexual assault. it's not just the media. there are a dozen women who came forward in the campaign. i represented four of them. the media had nothing to do. we couldn't even get the media to pay attention to some of my clients. they don't want to respond to that. her answer that as a daughter he's always been very good to me is an unacceptable answer. the rest of us who aren't daddy's little princess have the right to be represented by this president, not just half the country that aren't female. >> nomi, they are -- you made this point. ivanka's contention is she doesn't have to abide by these laws. that she's like the president. if they do apply to her, there are criminal exposure if they run afoul, correct? >> that's exactly right. under title 18 section 208 you go down further and section 216 which actually talks about
imprisonment or fines or both for violating this law extending a financial interest through relatives family. it goes through a number of different categorizatns. >> they're playing with fire on this. even if i was working for them and trying to protect them i'd be telling them that. thank you. that's "all in." tune in tomorrow. we'll have the great seth meyers on the show. "rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> how did you get seth meyers? >> we're kind of homies. just kind of hanging out. >> okay. that's fine. >> i actually don't know. our amazing booking producers got seth meyers. >> doesn't bother me at all. i'm generously happy for you as my friend. >> well, yes, come watch. >> thank you, chris. well done. congratulations on that. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. sorry about my little tantrum. i get a little jealous. i do. all right. the last czar of russia