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check out my facebook page, follow me at twitter and instagram @greta. "hardball" starts right now. stuck in reverse, let's play hardball. good evening, i'm chris. of wiretapping his phones. he called him sick, a sick guy for doing it. but fbi director james comey publicly rejected the claim, there was no wiretapping, never happened. then came the devon nunes, you remember the midnight ride to the white house and back to the white house the next morning with the news the former chaired the house claimed he discovered new information after that mysterious visit to the white house grounds. president trump said, that vindicated him. that new information turned out
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to be national security adviser susan rice who requested identity of trump associates be unmasked. that was not the smoking gun someone hoped. last month nbc reported a review of the surveillance material flagged by house intelligence committee shows no inappropriate action by susan rice or any other obama official. well, that's according to members of the house and senate intelligence committees from both parties who reviewed the intelligence report. so, the claim made by donald trump in his early morning tweet fest nearly two months ago remains unproven, most likely totally untrue. but in portions of his cbs interview released just yesterday, president trump again brought up the surveillance charge against president obama. he then tried to deflect the call for further information, eventually ended the interview rather abruptly. let's watch. >> you call him sick and bad.
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>> look, you can figure it out yourself. he was nice to me with words, but and when i was with him, after that, there has been no relationship. >> you stand by that claim. >> you can take it the way you want. i think our side has been proven very strongly and everybody is talking about it. >> i wanted to find out, you're the president of the united states you said he was sick and bad because you attacked -- >> you can take it any way you want. >> i'm asking you, because you don't want it to be fake news. >> you don't have to ask me. >> why not? >> i have my own opinions you can have your own opinions. >> i want to know your opinions, you're the president of the united states. >> that's enough. thank you. thank you very much. >> i've never seen anything like that before. that's the refuted charge the president brought up in that cbs interview. he questioned whether russia was behind the 2016 medially. own secretary signed on to.
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>> you don't think it's phony that the russians tried to meddle in the election. >> that, i don't know. >> because the fbi was not allowed to go and check all of the records that you would normally have to check. that's number one. number two, knowing something about hacking, if you don't catch a hacker, okay, in the act, it's very hard to say who did the hacking. with that being said, i'll go along with russia, could have been china, could have been a lot of different groups. >> that was just part of a media blitz by the president this weekend marking his first 100 days in office. there's a new ad out there posting the country has rarely seen such success. he backs by the media saturday night while washington journalists were gathering at the white house correspondence dinner. he slammed the arcade rules of the senate, called senate minority leader a banned leader and he would be honored to meet
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with kim jong un under right circumstances. i'm joined now by "new york times" and u.s. today's heidi. i don't know where to begin. let's start with the approvalble facts that he got all wrong again. why is trump talking about -- i started the show -- he's still stuck in the rear-view mirror. why is he trying to win the fight that his predecessor had him wiretapped when there's no grounds for that nowhere? >> if you look at all these interviews, he's done about a dozen of them, this is a guy who goes out to harrisburg, pennsylvania, snubs the white house correspondence dinner and does nothing for the past six days then invite reporters into oval office, right. it's one long stream of consciousness, if you look at him holding fourth on all kind of topics. a couple of days ago he told jeff mason, of roiters, they
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didn't think the job was going to be this hard. i think you're dealing with a president who is sitting with his feet up on the desk, holding it. but the key component, by the way, i thought dickerson, you tell me if you agree with this. i thought dickerson did a really good job of not letting him off the hook on that stuff. trump was doing the usual stick, which is sort of saying, you draw the conclusion. which john dickerson said, you're the president of the united states. >> i think dickerson is great. he did say to him, i don't want to deal with fake news. help me out of here, he wanted him -- that was the objective facts as he knew it and trump wouldn't go along with objective facts. let me get heidi in here. >> because he was trying to give us his verpgs of alternative facts. it doesn't fact. it doesn't support if his facts don't support his contention, you believe what you want to
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believe. i think, chris, that this also showed a sign of frustration that this administration and president thought they successfully turned our gays elsewhere, i'm not making any connections here, but after the syria bombing this story fell off the radar. i think he was frustrated to, once again, to be held to account. all of the house members who viewed that intelligence, they all say, look, if there was a shred of evidence to support what trump said, he's the one person who can declassify it and he won't. >> if somebody has it to bring it with him. >> were you sure the kenya guy, the guy from kenya, are you sure that you're not, you may have gotten him off the hook, he really is from kenya. he goes back to his original position. if you watch trump. he may give you a little here and there and getting into some, you know, dodging the bullet. then he'll go back and say, i
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was right in the first place. look at this one, this goes way back. satellite radio interview, today president trump made with the associated press described as a puzzling historical claim concerning the worst war this country has been involved in. president trump said another president, someone other than abraham lincoln could have prevented the civil war, let's listen. >> if andrew jackson would have been a little bit later, you would not have had the civil war. he was a tough person and had a big heart. and he was really angry that he saw all of this happening with regard to the civil war, he said there's no reason for this. the civil war -- people don't realize, you know, the civil war, when you think about it, why? people don't ask that question, but why was there the civil war, why could that one could not have been worked out. >> i don't know where to begin. every kid in this country,
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immigrant kid, we understand the heart of civil war. we understand that maybe there's one time in history that had to be resolved somehow, the south wanted to keep its independence. the south said, if this guy gets to be president, they'll change the constitution and we'll have no slavery and they fought the war for four years. they wanted to fight for their independence. the south wanted its independence, you can't just say it was a bad pr move by lincoln. >> at a minimum, it just showed astonishing lack of sensitivity or, possibly, knowledge, as well. it also, i think, har kins to his respect for strong men. >> he was a slave holder and indian killer.
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>> some news organizations are now pulling the carnegie institute that andrew jackson was a slave holder and he would reward his men to anyone who gave him 100 lashes or more. this was not a man who was going to free the slaves. >> it seems like there were two ways to cut the deal, to avoid the civil war, we know what they are, start your own coup tri, we'll have what's left here, or the south gave up on slavery. this isn't like the -- state tax where you can argue over the number over the alternative minimum tax or the corporate tax. it is a values question, the south wanted its states rights to keep slavery. the north said, no. what was the trump solution and what was andrew jackson slave holder, what was his -- this is crazy that a president of the united states has this ignorance. it's crazy. and he's there. >> i guess the question is, was slavery considered a pre-existing condition, right?
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>> you mock me. >> no, i'm just kidding. >> it' crazy. >> i am not mocking you. i happen to read very short biography of andrew jackson. and here is the crazy thing. first of all. there was a compromise. it was called the missouri compromise. >> two of them. >> and -- right. two of them. >> and it blew up in the end, the face of the union and it created a lot of the problems that we had. also historically, the ironny of this is that 25 years before the civil war, andrew jackson was willing to go to war against the state of south carolina during the nullification crisis. when calhoun who was a former vice president and secretary of war opposed the tariff and was urging south carolinians, essentially, at that point, to defy the federal government, andrew jackson was a unionist who would have backed force. so trump, he's not knowledgeable about history, you know, the
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truth of the matter is, the question is does he really understand before steve bannon, it's my understanding steve bannon is the one that introduced andrew jackson -- did trump know anything about the guy? >> i guess abraham lincoln wasn't his kind of nationalist. >> he warned today, nobody is safe because kim jong un has nuclear weapons. he called him a pretty smart cookie. he told bloomberg he would be honored to sit down with him. let's listen to this part of the story today. >> yes, under the right circumstances, i would absolutely meet with him. no problem. >> and you -- most political people would never say that. i'm telling you, under the right circumstances i would meet with him. >> what is that, is that the charm offensive. >> it seems like he's messing with kim jong un. last week he said we might go into a major conflict. this -- >> why is he shining him up this week? >> i don't know, maybe he feels like he has a special in with
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some of the strong men, he understands how they think. >> he's setting this 27-year-old chubby, guy, you know, his uncle tried to kill him. nobody said his uncle tried to kill him. he killed his uncle and half brother. it's not like this guy is a victim of history, look at them. look at the way these guys laugh together, their expressions and faces and uniform and robotic. they're pe tri fied that he'll spot that somebody had a grimace at the wrong time. >> look, we were in the briefing room today and we brought this question to sean spicer, the president's press secretary. and we gave him an opportunity to push back. of course, sean spicer, you know, has to answer to this stuff, but spicer said, essentially, he described kim jong un as a young man who had succeeded and consolidating power after his father had died and said, "he was moving his country forward." i mean, how can you sort of have
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any moral authority in these negotiations when you start off from that point of view. >> like the people in the ranks say, nice haircut, dear leader. according to report in variety magazine, he joked today about the president's missile strike against syria. ross reportedly told them that global conference, just as -- this is down in mar-a-lago. the president explained that mr. chy he had something he wanted to tell him, which was the launching of 59 missiles. it was in lieu of after dinner entertainment. the crowd laughed. the thing was, it didn't cost to have that entertainment. again, i'll give this to heidi, what do we make of this carry on presidency. >> this is suppose to be the populace administration. when you have cabinet of, you know, white rich billionaires, they're going to let their guard
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down when they're among their people. mar-a-lago is their people. he said something that was tone death and insensitive to an audience of rich people and they thought it was funny after dinner entertainment to talk about bombing people. i don't think in hindsight, he probably realizes that was insensitive remark. where they let their guard down is where they're among their people. >> launching missiles in serious stuff i think being president and having to kill people, must be the most difficult as it should be. what do you make of it after dinner entertainment. >> well, i think, you know, i think clearly what he said is something that's enormously insensitive. i think it was in the bloomberg interview, the president actually talked pretty expansively about his job entailed killing people, i'm talking about the presidency and how seriously he took that.
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i think there are some sense, we pull out the most parts and, again, these are kind of -- they're almost like stream of consciousness with the president. he says what he wants to say, but studied in these interviews i think are some indications he is taking the job a little bit more seriously. >> you should read the lincoln letter he wrote to mother who lost all the kids in war. thank you, glen, it's a weird night from a weird presidential situation this weekend. coming up, house republicans hoping they have the votes to pass the health care plan. the horse part, straight obama care repeal, the rabbit part wants to keep some protections in place, will the little bitty rabbit beat out the big strong horse. wondering why this country fought in civil war, he said it could have been worked out. what was the compromise on slavery the southern states would have agreed to, wonder, especially andrew jackson. he said he's not running against
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terminating nafta, would be a shock to the system, we will renegotiate. now, if i'm unable to make a fair deal, if i'm unable to make a fair deal for the united states, meaning a fair deal for our workers and companies, i will terminate nafta. >> joining me right now is a critic of nafta he sent a president of president trump today outlining his strategy for renegotiating the deal. thank you, senator -- i must say that i've gotten you here, all my life i've tried to make predictions about elections and i predicted trump back in '99 was going to be strong and i was able to predict that barack obama would be the first hillary clinton. i said that she should have put you on the ticket, she made a mistake and now the experts if they had only picked you for the ticket, she would have been the winner in november, what do you think about that, is that possible or true? >> i don't think much about that. i was in the running.
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i love tim cane, he was a good pick. i know i'm going to fight for my state on these trade issues, that's an issue that i've been working on for 20 years, as you know. against nafta. >> that's one reason i think you would have been good political partner for hillary clinton. let's talk about it today. has nafta got a future of upper midwest of ohio, pennsylvania, those states that didn't like the things, what kind of future does it have. >> if done right it can be a force for good for workers in cleveland and toledo and dayton and all over the industrial midwest, particularly, the late great states. i'm not sure what the president was thinking. he has a lot of influence on him because of the goldman sachs influence at the white house, a lot of push back on renegotiation, getting out of nafta whatever he chooses to do. we sent a letter today, several points that we wanted to follow.
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one is don't playoff one sector industry, don't playoff steel against auto and agriculture. another is take away the corporate influence on these trade agreements. get workers to the table, start the preconditions for negotiation by america antiout sourcing provisions. we do that, we can end up in a good place. the president hasn't spoken specifically about what he wants to do. i talked to a number of white house people who may be working on trade issues not clear who is advising the president, again, i know that a lot of wall street influence on him, i'm pushing back. i was disappointed what he did on currency, but i want him to look at these renegotiating and a half that the right way. i encourage viewers tonight to sign our nafta prediction. we want to build to bring nafta to the table in the right way, not to have the kind of corporate fingerprints it's had
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all along as you've talked about on this show. >> do you think it's good to have the white house issuing the tax policies, these wall street guys, you sound like you don't like him. you think he should get rid of these guys. >> you know, i'm telling the president whom to pick and who is around. >> yes, you are. >> people surrounding. >> you said he's got too many goldman sachs. >> i'm telling him who to pick. i know gary cohen, he's from my home city of cleveland. the point is i want him to listen to -- to some of the people that want to not a wall street, but want a main street trade policy and i know how we can right this trade policy. i want more trade. i want it under terms to help workers in both countries. i don't want this sort of jingo workers in mexico and china, they're not the issue. the issue is lifting up workers in both countries, stopping companies from closing down in toledo and moving from china getting a tax break for it. that's the -- that's the moral
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bankruptcy of our trade policy, chris, as you know. >> senator brown, i keep rooting for you, sir, good luck and thanks for coming on tonight. i think she likes the word left. i'm not knocking anybody. senator elizabeth warren joins us, talk about progressive need to do to fight back against president trump. and whether she'll make the fight as presidential candidate in 2020. that's elizabeth warren tomorrow -- here is elizabeth brown -- any way, elizabeth warren tomorrow on "hardball." the show's about to start! how do i look?
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but in an interview with john dickerson, the one we're showing you, president trump says pre-existing conditions will be in the bill. >> pre-existing are in the bill and i mandate it. it has to be. >> one of the fixes it was discussed pre-existing was optional for the states. >> sure, in one of the fixes and they're changing it and changing it. >> of course. >> this has -- what is the development, sir, you're saying it's going to be pre-existing for everybody. >> this has evolved over a period of three or four weeks. >> it's moderate republicans are reluctant to support trump's second attempt for fear it will hurt people by under mining the obama care protections and the other wick of the republican party was to go further and fully repeal altogether. could trump's second replace m plan also go down like the first one. the difficulty working with congress in order to fill its promise, steep learning curve as president. now we have right now joining us two moderate members of congress, republican and
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democrat and then both for the washington post, writing the unfolding drama the affordable care act gave the administration and congress a bracing lesson in the dramatic difference between campaigning and government. those members join me now to discuss a path, charlie as a republican from pennsylvania and jim hines a democrat from connecticut. i get a feeling of 216 votes that needs to pass the house. how do you, what i call the rabbit part, how do you win your argument against the horse part which is this overwhelming arch conservative part that basically wants to repeal obama care and not so much interested in replicating in some new form? >> well, chris, first, as republicans, we have said repeatedly and publicly that we want to protect people with pre-existing conditions. the amendment that was offered last week, in my view, weakens the provisions by giving states
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the option, the ability to wave out by providing those protections. i have concerns with this bill beyond that amendment. as i've said, the medicaid provisions are problematic for states like mine that have expanded. there's not enough flexibility or resources, too many of a caution. tax credits, in my view, are not sufficient to help people who are going to be cycled off of medicaid on to the exchanges and they won't be able to afford insurance, they'll go bare naked and have too many uncovered, uninsured. >> how many people think like you. how many republicans that don't like these provisional changes, they don't like what's not in there. >> well, i think you're in the right range right there. i'll say in that range, probably between 25 and 32. i point to that range. >> congressman, that brings up the question, will there be any democrats to make up the difference, you need 216 if you had that kind of loss on the
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republican side, no deal. >> i don't think you'll see that, as you said before, the new president and the republicans are sort of coming to terms with the fact a lot of the things they talked about for six and seven years, that that, if done wrong, could cause a lot of damage to millions of people. so right now, you know, they are going -- we're bystanders in this today, we're going through the process of figuring out how can they achieve what they' been promising without doing the kind of damage that the bills offered today would be likely to do. >> why don't you bring to the floor, or bring to the house a proposal to break the rule, get control of the agenda and try to fix and repeal the parts of obama care that need fixing. why don't you go aggressively on this and make the system better and hope you can pick up some republicans like mr. den and fix obama care rather than let the republicans do all of this debating. >> chris, i think academically, that may not be a bad idea. no topic over the last eight years has been as sharply
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political and divisive as health care. charlie and i are interested in doing that, absolutely. we'll start with infrastructure, tax reform. >> why not -- i'm not going to let you off this. you guys are enjoying being in the peanut gallery. why don't you get control of the debate and propose a refinement so that obama care is perfect, so you really fix it. why don't you actually try to fix obama care and leave the republicans in the rubble. they're not going to fix it. they don't want to fix it, they want to get rid of it. >> we're deep in the minority. it's not our responsibility to be governing. we do have our ideas when the moment comes when we can have that conversation, we'll be thrilled to do it. right now, as you said, there's a little bit of the learning process going on the other side of the aisle and it's important that that happened. >> if you have an opponent, are you going to force that opponent to say what they're plan is, what we're seeing the democrats are going to lay back and let
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you guys sweat it out, is that smart politics on their point letting you guys blow it. >> i'll tell you wharks oone th learned when the party of the president is in charge, the other side usually has a lot of the energy and, frankly, the anger is with them. they don't always have to be a proposition party, but simply opposition party. so, regardless, republicans are likely to be running into head wings in the midterm. same thing happened to the democrats in 2010 and 2014, we'll be sitting on the barrel this time. >> charlie and i are standing here because we're trying to find the places at -- when the rhetoric is angry. both of us are sent here to actually get something done for our constituents. i don't think it's going to be health care. >> if they fix this bill the way you want it, will you vote for
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it. >> last word. >> we know what's going to happen here, in order to do anything significant. we'll have a vote this week on a spending bill. there are not going to be 216 bills to pass it. we'll need democrats to help us pass it. any time we've had to do anything important, it has to be done on bipartisan basis, budget agreements, crs, debt ceiling, always had to put together pragmatic republicans and democrats to pass it. we'll do the same thing on health care tax reform and infrastructure. >> you guys are great. thank you for joining us. i have to be tough. i like to push the democrats an remind themselves they can be the governing party again. fairly soon. thank you. you're my kind of republican. coming up, president trump wonders why there was a civil war.
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sessions this weekend at the correspondents dinner. now president trump says the american civil war was unnecessary, that with another president, that lincoln, the civil war would have never have happened. >> they love andrew jackson. >> yeah, he's a fascinating. >> had andrew been a little bit later, you would not have had the civil war. he was a very tough person, but he had a big heart and he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the civil war, he said there's no reason for this. >> of course, when abraham lincoln was elected president because he wanted to end the expang of slavery. it was lincoln's leadership that ultimately kept the country in one piece. the end of sarcasm, "the whole thing apparently could have been avoided if only we had a bona fide negotiator, someone up to the test than low energy abe
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lincoln ". he didn't know why both sides just didn't work it out. >> people don't realize, you know, the civil war -- when you think about it, why? people don't ask that question. but why was there the civil war, why could that one not have been worked out. >> often said, the president doesn't really know history, does he. he's left kind of a drift. joining me now is james peterson, at lee high and he's msnbc contributor. thank you, professor, for joining us. i want to give you a few minutes. explain what would have been the optional deal rather than lincoln becoming president. he was elected. he came to office the minute -- by the time he got to washington sort of sneak into town because of the copper heads up north. he got here and all of a sudden south carolina, the rest start to succeed. how could he have avoided that happening because it did happen.
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>> yeah, i don't think we can rewrite history here, chris, regardless of who is president right now. i think there were basically two options at this point, either you allow the south to succeed, which is, essentially, would have been the end of the union and, in fact, the end of the united states as we know it. or you could have capitulated to the pressures from the south to allow west ward expansion of the united states to add more slave states than free states. through the missouri compromise, they were trying to keep it a one to one ratio. that wasn't holding so well. those seem to be the options, the expansion of slavery out into the west could have extended slavery here in the united states for who knows how long, but certainly for significant amount of time for which it was. for my ancestors that would have been awful tragic and excruciating. >> well, there never would have been 13, 14th, and 15th amendment, that's pretty clear. what do you think trump's thinking there. he's held out the image.
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he must have read about it. now, we grew up with andrew jackson as kids, i'm older than you. he was an indian fighter, we changed our attitudes about fighting americans, we're seeing the cruel campaign and a lot of treaties, broken, we know that part. he was an indian killer. he's a slave owner. and i try to remind myself, despite my to think about washington, they whipped their slaves they had them in the shackles, they separated families. they had no sympathy for them for anything more than chattel, maybe a case they got to know some of them as human beings. it was awful, and yet, you know, trump doesn't seem to get that awfulens, it seems with regard to andrew jackson. >> he seems to be disconnected from it. he wants to cherry pick the populace president frame and leave everything else. i mean, certainly jackson was an outsider. so trump seems to be, he likes
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that piece of it. but that just doesn't make sense in this particular context. he owned 150 slaves when he passed away. he was proslavery and prowest ward expansion. that doesn't mention the trail of tiers, chris. now, we have enough information and there's enough information out there for us to sort of have a robust interpretation of what the so-called founding fathers and what they can contributed, but also what their limitations were and the president of the united states has got to be a student of history, chris. you can't have the awesome power of the presidency of the united states and not understand some of the longer form trajectories of how things changed, what the role presidents play in change, what the limitations are. lincoln is by most accounts one of the greatest presidents. it was not that he sort of appreciated the equality of black folks and white folks he had some kind of vision in terms of the federal government and how liberty was going to have to
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be a cornerstone if we were going to move forward into the 20th century. i don't understand where president trump is on this and i think he's baffled off of those. i don't think a lot of thought went into his comments around the civil war. >> i think it's great that lincoln understood the end of the war before he was killed himself. the heart of the war was in many ways for what those 250 years of slavery, and the way people were treated and the horror it was in a biblical thing. i -- the address is powerful. >> it's really moving. >> it does. it shows you how sad and how dark that moment was. listen, we should not take lightly to civil war, chris. this is a war with over 600,000 casualties tremendous of destruction, touched every single family in the united states and it was far over an impasse in this country around
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liberty, freedom and what constitutes humanity. we can also talk about, you know, states rights versus federalism. but the human nature of the civil war. i think it requires a certain kind of grav tis and certain amount of respect. >> thank you so much. up next, former president joe biden, he says he's not running for president, why is he out there campaigning whoch is the strongest, i know we're early but we're doing it. we're talking 2020 already. you're watching hardball with the action news. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time... stay with me, mr. parker. ...saving time when it matters most. stay with me, mrs. parker.
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welcome back to hardball. many democrats have been left in the wilderness trying to cut a path forward. the real question is which path to take and who is going to lead that path. some of the top contenders come from the dc old guard.
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looks like he's running uncle joe, let's take a look at uncle joe biden. bernie sanders get those pictures up there. we have the new byes, senator corey booker, kiersten of new york and former govern ner, former national committee. i want to talk, first of all, of the three about my age, actually, joe biden, bernie sanders. those three guys are all out there campaigning heavily now, governor. they look like they're running for president. i'm sorry, already. >> they do. they do. but -- >> are they running. >> first of all -- >> you can't win if you don't run. >> i have no idea, but b nobody is going to take anybody seriously until after. >> i think -- which one are you sure is going to run. he looks like he's dying to do
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it. >> would think he's a possibility. she wouldn't rule it out. she wouldn't give a yes or no answer either way, i think you're seeing a lot more of them, it's easy to focus on the fact they are the old guard speak in terms of age, they're the ones able to tap into this anxiety, some of the best messengers in terms of practicing. >> i think someone needs to be able to sell. >> -- john delaney, the congressman, he's opening up -- some guys running already, i think the left is up front right now. >> i think you're right, absolutely. i think we're also looking at some of these older names, in part, it hasn't begun yet and a lot of the newer faces have not introduced. >> is that because hillary was so sure to win for eight years, it was no need for immediate bench. that's why it's no immediate bench. >> we'll do fine and the names you're going to hear are eric
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garseta. >> for president of the united states, he's going to go from mayor of la to president. >> if trump. >> i think he's going to run. >> why. >> because our core basis under 35 years old and they are tired of all of this crap. no clintons and they're not democrats. they're not democrats. they are more middle of the road economically. you'll get anybody, only to tin side. >> they're not democrats, they're going to win the democratic primaries? >> no, the people i'm talking about democrats, all of the people who were organizing the airport protest, climate change.
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>> they're dpieng run the primary. >> i think they're going to demand authenticity and any of these sort of plastic politicians are going to go nowhere. >> was hillary seen as authentic? >> no. >> they're focusing too much on old versus new. democrats don't understand, on policy share the same set of goals, up next these three will tell me something i don't know, be right back. tomorrow on hard ball, it's one of the people we're talking about, elizabeth warren is going to join us here on hard ball and this is where the action is. ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college.
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>> president of the united states, civil war buff, i've heard a lot, tnk you joe biden, over the years, peo with conspiracy theories who have to stop you on the street corner, this president takes the cake. he was sporting the notion that president obama was astow away, a guy snuck into the country and u.s. senate to the white house. and all the time hiding his true identity as a born and bread. now trump has got a new one, you know, the civil war that conflict which cost the lives of 600,000 american men shooting each other at point-blank range at open field. a war that saw classmates from west point out there leading armies against each other from 1861-1865, trump said we could have avoided all of that with his men doing the deal making. abraham lincoln didn't have the stuff to keep the south from wanting to keep slavery, wanted it bad enough it separated and fought a bloody uphill war,
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including, the right to keep slavery. trump says there could have been a deal, a good president presumably, his andy jackson could have found a way to sort the whole thing out. jackson being a slave holder himself, i wondered what trump imagined that meant. instead of bsing what could have, should have, would have, a man should tiptoe down in the lower floor in the white house and look up something about that war we fought between the states. he might also hustle up to lincoln memorial, like nixon did in the misery of vietnam war and read the heart felt address. it's right there on the wall. teach them all, we americans ever needed to know about the war that divided us right across the middle in 1861. >> each.
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that's hard ball for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in. >> pre-existing conditions are in the bill and i mandate it. >> pre-existing problems for the white house. >> the idea is actually they would create a high-risk pool. >> as the administration spins a bill that reduces protections for pre-existing conditions is trump care about the pass the house. then, why the president says he would be honored to meet with north korea's dictator and the backlash against his white house invitation for another strong man grown. sherman another high profile departure and american history trump. >> peopleon