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bera . we're going to speak with "the washington post" reporter who broke that exact story. also a final twist on the eve of francis presidential election with the candidate favored to win now claiming his campaign was the target of a massive hack. we're going to go live to paris for the latest minutes from now. and political blow back. house republicans face angry constituents days after voting for a bill to repeal and replace obamacare. we're going to go to one of those town halls later this hour. first we begin this hour with mike flynn. russia and how some of the trump team reportedly warned the former ns achieve about the russian ambassador way back in november. the members of the trump transition team warned him about the risks of his contacts with the rauussian ambassador. start with nbc kelly o'donnell not far from the president's weekend get away up here close to us in new jersey. the president has been quiet on
twitter today. are you hearing any reaction to this new report about michael flynn? >> no's action from the white house and that is sort of fitting a pattern of late. since michael flynn submitted his resignation, was pushed out of the white house back in february. the trump administration has wanted to have some separation. this is a controversy that has been a real cloud over the early presidency of donald trump. and they are frustrated by that. at this point it is largely out of their hands because there are different investigations going on from the fbi to different committees in congress. and so the spokes person for the president sean spicer has said trump said he does believe it is the right decision he made that flynn had to be out. but no specific reaction to those new developments you talked about. going back inside the transition there were questions about michael flynn who as a retired three-star general had a reputation for being sort of
uncon vn unconventional. there was some loyalty and trust when working with candidate trump. when other figures came into the transition more establishment republicans who saw flynn and had some concerns about things he was doing, that's where these questions came from. we're in the transition team in the foreign policy section. they were saying the russian ambassador to the u.s. is rumored to be part of the russian intelligence and care should be taken in having any contact with him. and that's why they went to the obama administration as a part of the transition between the two presidential teams to seek more specific information, a classified report, a cia profile on the russian ambassador to try to show flynn the potential pitfalls and risks of having interaction. so that's the background on this new development. and of course this is coming up as there will be a public hearing this week and that will draw a lot of attention on what was known at the time between
the election and between president trump taking the oath of office. >> kelly o'donnell for us. thank you so much. the pennsylvania po"the was the one to break the story last night. adam, thanks for joining me. according to your reporting, flynn was warned about has conversations as kelly touched upon and he was warned that his conversations were likely being monitored. were they more concerned, from what you know, were they more concerned with the monitoring or the russian ambassador's motives and the content of that conversation that they were having? >> well, i think the transition officials that were concerned, frankly probably were baffled. they didn't really understand why, you know, michael flynn, the incoming national security adviser, was seeming to be in this contact with kislyak. and they basically were trying
to, y kn, basically put him on notice and i think given flynn a background as an intelligence officer, you know, there should have been the expectation that he was aware that the fbi routinely monitors kislyak, a russian ambassador's communications. so i think they were basically trying to do their job and trying to alert the boss, if you will, and make sure that he was aware that he potentially was doing something that could end up coming back to bite him later. >> but what's confusing to me, adam, is what you just said. put him on notice. but do they actually say stop, don't do it? >> no, i don't think they ever told him as far as i know not to have such contacts. it really wasn't their place. these were not, you know, inner circle people. these were people from the outside, if you will, more establishment people who were entering a very unconventional campaign and transition team. they didn't really know the
players all that well. and understandably if you're coming from an establishment position, you know, the establishment position is you spend your initial days as you're coming in as a new government getting to know your allies first, not your adversaries. so that kind of contact with kislyak in those early days considering the lack of contact with u.s. partners such as the british, the french, those ambassadors, the disparity of attention that the trump team was showing towards the russians and the chinese for that matter and not to traditional allies from europe. it was a source of apprehension on the part of u.s. allies in europe and it was also a source of discomfort on the part of some members of the trump transition team. >> it was certainly an explosive report there and we're going to see how this all pans out over the next week considers the major testimony that's going to happen this coming monday.
adam from "the washington post." appreciate that. thank you. i want to pribring in malcolm nance. thanks for joining me. >> my pleasure. >> what red flags do these new reports raise for you? >> well, there are a lot of red flags in this report. what's interesting about adams writing is he's given us information that has filled in a lot of gaps. this weariness on the part of old school bush administration who were on the trump transition team to identify flynn's relationship with russia troubling, but not only warn people, tells you the
relationship between general flynn and the rug system a lssi more than a surface relationship. this is ip dndicative of a lot e fe narious. the question is did he have permission to continue these contacts with sergey kislyak from donald trump and mike pence himself? it's come out that he was fired because he didn't and that he had lied to mike pence, but we've also seen evidence that was brought up by the house intelligence committee showing that mike pence knew about this and hence donald trump would know about that. on the same date that -- go ahead. >> i don't mean to interrupt you. i'm glad you bring that up. do you think this is more a reflection of flynn himself or of the overall trump administration? the trump's administration connections to moscow are wide and very very varied. donald trump himself, as we all know and as adam mentioned in the previous segment, you know, they have relationships with -- acrimonious relationships with some of the closest allies of the united states, but donald
trump will never say a negative word about vladimir putin. the question is did that permeate down into the senior's team's thinking or are there financial, personal, or other more nefarious relationships between these trump administration officials and moscow? and from the look of michael flynn with this reporting, it appears that his relationship may have been a lot more closer to nefarious. quite possibly he may have been involved in some form of activity that could resemble espionage. >> those are some big words. >> very serious. >> what about the cia profile of kislyak that was obtained by the national security adviser transition team? what kind of red flags does that raise to you? why would they want a profile of kislyak and do you think flynn had his eyes on those? >> well, you know, the leadership profiles of senior
personnel and other governments are very standard documents. and for that type of dossier to be handed about throughout the transition team is not significant at all. what's significant is that all of these people that had numerous contacts with sergey kislyak and for mike flynn to actually be asking for a classified specific dossier of someone that he had been in constant communication with at a time where he was handling classified information, transitioning himself as the national security adviser just led people to be suspicious. in the intelligence community, when you're suspicious, that is never a good thing. >> would the russian ambassador be working alongside russian intelligence in your experience? is that something that could be happening? >> this is a hard thing. it's hard to get through the mines of many americans. just because the soviet union tran session transitioned into the russian
federation and comp nymmunism w away, every other facet, including the kgb transitions into the fsb, that stayed. russian diplomats are the first line of intelligence collectors for the fsb. >> and putin himself was former kgb. >> director of kgb. turning now to france and the highly anticipated presidential election, already the top polling candidate reportedly has been the target of a massive and so ocoordinate hack. coming on the eve of the blackout period which forbids them from talking about the election for 48 hours. marine la pen has yet to comment on whether or not her campaign also fell victim to that hacking. matt, thanks for staying up and talking us to. what more are we learning about macron's e-mails? >> well, we know that right now macron has basically said that this is not an attack just on his campaign but against french
democracy in general. that's the kind of language as you mentioned, deja vu. once again it sounds a lot like what hillary clinton and u.s. intelligence agencies were saying last summer when those revelations surfaced that the dnc had been hacked and that it wasn't necessarily just tarr targeting hillary clinton in favor of donald trump. it was also seeking to undermine the entire electoral system. the french government has enlisted one of their intelligence agencies to investigate to see exactly where these leaks are coming from. now, it's the initial suspicion of course is focusing on russia. fancy bear which you might know as apt 28, these are all entities that have connection to the russian intelligence group. there was a japanese group, japanese cyber intelligence group, that just a few weeks ago released a report that named macron campaign his on march political party as among the european entities that had been
hacked by the fancy bear hacking group. so these revelations, while they're fresh and new and came right at a very critical moment in this campaign, we had heard whispers of them several weeks ago. but we haven't seen yet, yasmin, is whether or not this is actually going to be changing the votes. we haven't seen anything from these leaks that show any sort of conspiracy or any sort of scandal. but it's like those leaks last summer. if you were against hillary clinton, and in favor of donald trump, you might have scowered and looked for some sort of scandal. we'll probably not see anything before the voting begins tomorrow morning and that's when the two candidates with two very different ideas will be competing in a very tight race. >> i have a prediction, matt. we're going to find out tomorrow basically whether or not these things swayed people in either direction. matt bradley for us in paris.
thank you. we'll turn the fight over to health care after the break. house republicans celebrating the passage of an obamacare passage and how premature was that? can that cost the party control of the house in 2018? listen to what house democrats think. on centurylink to keep their global campus connected. and why a pro football team chose us to deliver fiber-enabled broadband to more than 65,000 fans. and why a leading car brand counts on us to keep their dealer network streamlined and nimble. businesses count on communication, and communication counts on centurylink.
. as far as i'm concerned, your premiums are going to start to come down. we're going to get this passed through the senate. i feel so confident. >> all right. president trump now counting on the senate to deliver what would be his signature achievement, the repeal and replacement of obamacare. but this week's narrow victory in the house could be just the
warmup for a very fierce battle ahead. i want to bring in political breaking news reporter lewis nelson and pamela leavy. thank you for joining. lindsey graham tweeting about the house vote. suggesting it was rushed through and should be viewed with caution. what do you think the senate's going to do here? >> well, the senate's already announced that they are not taking up the house bill, the bill that the house passed on friday. and that they're already working on their own piece of legislation being crafted by a working group that has been -- that has been operating already i think for a few weeks already. and so what's going to wind up happen suggest there's going to be two different pieces of legislation, the bill that the house passed and then a separate different legislation -- piece of legislation that the senate will have. and then they're going to have to try to reconcile those two bills and given how difficult it was for republicans just within the house to agree on a bill, getting house republicans and senate republicans on the same
page with two different pieces of legislation, you know, it's not -- it's certainly not a guarantee they'll be able to pull that off. >> hence the reason why this is the beginning of a very long battle ahead. does anybody ever remember lindsey graham tweeting at all before donald trump became president? the number of americans without health insurance dropped by nearly 20 million in the obama era. analysts saying 24 million could lose their insurance with the original trump plan. they haven't actually done analysis on this amended plan. but a lot of experts saying the numbers are much the same. how can republicans actually defend this bill considering those numbers? >> you know, i think that what you saw with this vote on thursday is that republicans are more afraid of their base, of the gop base in their conservative districts back home and that's what they're thinking about. they're thinking about going back home on recess and having to say we couldn't pass this
bill a second time. so they took a vote that is good for their base. you're exactly right that when it comes to 2018 and when it comes to defending a bill that looks like it could cost tens of millions of people their insurance, that's a whole different thing to try to sell to a general election or midterm election group of voters. and so they have a lot to do on their hands in terms of convincing people that what they did was right. i think you'll see arguments like obamacare was failing. we had to repeal it. but again, they're repealing things in that bill that are really popular. you know, essential benefits are on the line now. coverage for people with pre-existing conditions is on the line now. so that is going to be really hard to sell back home. >> a lot of democrats out there also doubting that this bill is really going to go anywhere. ed markey senator, one of them, i want to listen to him. >> right now to a certain extent
the republicans are searching for a unicorn. what can make the far right wing freedom caucus in the house happy while at the same time making moderate republicans in the senate happy? good luck in finding that political unicorn. i do not think that it is possible. >> is the unicorn out there, louis? what do you think? >> you know, that certainly remains to be seen whether or not they can actually find something that can please all of the different corners of this sort of very disparate republican caucus. but i think what you hear in a lot of democrats is some veiled excitement about maybe being able to go on the offensive a little bit on health care. they're looking forward to being able to attack republicans and not having to play defense and defend a law that the gop has
been promising to repeal for, you know, the better part of seven years. >> we're going to talk more a little bit later in the show about the democrats reaction and if that was the right road to take. thank you both for joining us. new dwevelopments in a shooting of a teen. much more on this case on the other side of this case. keep it here. here you go little guy.
. the texas police officer who shot and killed a black teenager and now charged with murder. oliver was fired from his job early th earlier this week for violating department policies. lat saturday high fired a rifle at a car of teenagers leaving a party near dlaallas. the passenger in the front seat was shot in the head and died from his injuries. the police chief said the car
was moving forward but after viewing footage he corrected his position. >> there was an unknown altercation with the vehicle backing down the road towards officers and in an aggressive manner. an officer shot at the vehicle. >> i do have questions in relation to my observation on the video. and what is consistent with the policies and core values of the police department. >> joining me now is dallas morning news reporter jennifer lee. thanks for joining me on this saturday. how is the community reacting to all of this? >> there's a lot of relief in the community that the officer has been arrested, but a lot of people are waiting to see what happens next. there's a fear that what if the grand jury doesn't indict him. what if he does go to trial and a jury doesn't convict him? so there's a lot of wait and see amid that relief. >> talk to me a little bit, jennifer, about the mood towards police right now in that community as well. i'm sure after something like
this takes place in the community, people probably a little bit on edge. >> people are on edge, but i was talking to someone just before i came on the show about how he knows that police officers are here to protect and serve and he does respect them, but he also fears them. and so there's always a little bit of mix of that in life. i think it's just maybe heightened a little bit. >> go ahead. did you want to keep going? what about the police chief? i know that the police chief at one point said that the car was moving towards the officer hence the reason why he shot. and then he corrected himself and said the car was moving away and then the officer was subsequently fired. their move towards the police chief. do they have trust in their local police department and the police chief? >> the fact that the police chief came out and said if was wrong, i got it wrong, this is what really happened combined with the arrest of the officer, a lot of people feel a little
bit confident in him that he isn't the kind of guy who is just going to rubber stamp anything and so it -- if he had not corrected himself and this had come out months and months later, there would be a lot more indecisive people, a lot of people who are angrier, but the quick action and the quick reversal of the initial words to the police chief really went a long way. >> i want to take a listen, jennifer, to what those close to jordan had to say. >> just his smile. i mean, it was always up and never went down. >> i love you, jordan. >> i'm hurt. devastated. i loved that kid. it hit home. when i heard it, it hit home. and it's sad. >> you think the family and the kids, they can recover from this? it's got to be a long road for them? >> it's a long road and it's
something if we didn't know jordan it's hard for us to imagine. the football coach where jordan played football told me that jordan was a great kid. if you have a checklist of everything you want in a son, in a friend, in a player, in a student, jordan would have everything on that list. and so for those who knew jordan, i doubt they'll ever recover, but they'll have -- they're learning to cope as they move forward. >> all right. jennifer emily, thanks for joining me on this saturday. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up next we'll go live to western new york. one of the congressmen who voted for the health care bill is holding a town hall. what kind of reception is he receiving from his constituents? c'mon, the future. he obviously doesn't know intel is helping power autonomous cars and the 5g network they connect to. with this, won't happen in the future. thanks, jim. there's some napkins in the glovebox. okay, but why would i need a napkin?
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i live in? [ cheers and applause ] >> well, a pretty heated town hall there. standing room only at a town hall held by congressman tom reed today, the republican from new york state is defending his vote to repeal and replace obamacare. he's holding several public meetings throughout the state today. residents there worried about losing their health care, expressing their objections. very understandably of course. joining me now from his third town hall of the day, senior political editor. beth, thanks for joining me. you're in hinsdale as i just said. trump supporters there. what are the concerns people have there? what are they saying? >> there are a lot more trump supporters at this town hall meeting than the one we attended in the morning. that sound bite you played was from this morning. today was a very big crowd. this afternoon bigger than the one we saw in the morning. there are more trump supporters. this morning there were a lot of
people very unhappy with congressman reed, his vote to repeal obamacare and replace it with this new gop bill. a lot of people who didn't like trump. here it was a lot more mixed. so you saw a lot of back and forth over issues like afford ability of the aca, obamacare, compared to what the republican plan is said to cost. so you saw a little bit more friction here, but you certainly saw a lot of passion. people are very divided. >> people obviously with pre-existing conditions as we've been talking about since this thing passed are worried about losing their health care coverage. congressman actually in that position himself to a certain extent and can you tell us a little bit more about that. >> yeah. the congressman has a son with type one diabetes so he has a very heavy medical insurance condition. and he -- congressman reed said look, i'm somebody who lives with this every day. i'm not about to vote for some sort of health care plan that would put my family in jeopardy. but then a little bit later on a
14-year-old boy came up to him at this town hall meeting very nervous, reading from a card, but very passionate and said if i don't get my insulin, i could die. and if my family can't afford my insulin, if my health care is changed, i will die. can you look me in the eye and tell me that i am going to be able to get the drugs i need to manage my condition? it was a very dramatic moment. but because the congressman has a diabetic son, he was able to talk about that in a very empathic way. it was a very interesting moment. >> did he at all respond to the fact that now this is in the state's hands and states account say no, we're not going to cover pre-existing conditions? what is his explanation for that? >> you know, he is 100% insisting that whatever the republican plan turns out to look like at the end of all of this, he is going to -- the plan will cover pre-existing conditions. he says that's the law of the land now. that's not going to change. i know a lot of people disagree with that and say that
pre-existing conditions are in jeopardy. i did want to play you one sound bite from an interview i did with him earlier. when i asked about the politics of this, the fact that republicans could be walking into a real tight situation in 2018, just the way democrats did in 2010, when they voted for the affordable care act. let's take a listen to what he said when i talked to him about the politics of this vote. >> because we know that the affordable care act is collapsing as we speak. i know 40% premium increase notices are going out in our community in the next couple of weeks. people aren't having access to care because their co-pays and deductibles are going up. i can look in the mirror and say i tried to be part of the effort to fix this. i pushed part of the effort to try to advaps tnce the cause wht comes to health care in america. >> as far as we know he is the only republican member of congress who's even doing town halls this weekend and he just finished up his third one so maybe he's going to go home and relax a little bit now. >> i guess you've got to give him credit for that.
it's certainly -- >> absolutely. >> to hold a town hall after such a controversial thing passing. thank you. next the white house planning to roll back a program focused on making school lunches healthier, even though almost all public schools already comply by its standards. why the change? richard will be back the next hour. he's going to be joined by the fiancee of the television report killed on live television. he's now running for public office. we're going to find out why. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them.
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every day it's a little bit much, we need a little more flavor, a little more flexibility. we're excited to see the flexibilities provided that help us address some of those unanticipated outcomes of the new regulations. >> dr. weks lxler, you think th are extreme? not at at all. thousands across the country are meegt meeting or exceeding the sta standards. we can take you to smaller districts, norfolk, v, cincinnati, ohio, i can go on and on. they are meeting the standards. it can be done. you have to embrace them and acknowledge that it's hard. it's not easy. feeding two kids in your own home is hard. feeding 20,000, it's hard. but you know what else is hard? alje bra. physics. we don't talk about lowering the standards on reading, writing or
arithmetic. >> do you think that's a fair comparison to say it's hard to meet the nutritional standards, but so is fphysics? >> we agree wholeheartedly. we support strong nutrition standards. an analogy i might make if we were to provide a text bobook a font size was such that he or she couldn't read it, we'd make adjustment to the font size. yes, school districts are to be commended for meeting the nutrition standards. they're robust. the problem is not about compliance. scho the problem is children's acceptance. we want children to enjoy the meals that are offered and have found that the overrule restrictive sodium and whole grain requirement was a bit more than children were ready to palate if you will.
>> i'm going to go with that for a second. can you have nutritional food that tastes good and by the way, considering it's children, because i love nutritional food. i love brussel sprouts. kids, difficult to get kids to eat stuff like. that difficult to get kids to eat healthy if it doesn't have stuff on it that makes it taste better. does she have a point? >> she has a point that it's hard. the fact is that her organization, her profession has hundreds and even thousands of brilliant professionals who are doing amazing things. what we need to do insteadf rolling back the standards, we need to provide the tools, the wisdom that those who are meeting the standards have gained, we need to provide that expertise to the schools that are struggling. they can make it appealing. there's no evidence that there's been an increase in plate waste. the amount of food that the kids are throwing in the garbage has either stayed the same or
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welcome back. earlier this hour we told you about the murder charges filed against a dallas area police officer who shot and killed 15-year-old jordan edwards. we're now joined by the attorney representing jordan's family. thank for joining me. what's the family's response to the charges that are now being filed against that police officer? >> well, the family was exemely gteful to get the
charges. the day that they received them was the day of the wake of jordan edwards. it was a very sort of heavy day for the family. they were tense in that the officer being charged was sort of a weight over their head being lifted. it made the blow of having to bury him today a little lighter. >> how are they doing today? i know you were at the funeral. how are they doing? >> the family is extremely sad as you can imagine. this is a very tough time for them. but we saw an outpouring of the community. his football team, his current high school football team, all of his old teammates, his coaches, the principal, the superintendent, he was very loved by the community. he was a kid with an infectious smile and personality and you saw that today where the community came forward to say their goodbyes. >> i believe his brothers were in the car with jordan when all of this took place. how are they doing today?
i can't imagine what they must be feeling having experienced and seen their brother shot to death. >> i was surprised to see them come forward on the microphone during the ceremony and encourage the community to them always smiling and he always had a positive disposition. and they sort of adopted that. and they were sort of his cheerleaders today. and so it was good to see them in good spirits actually. >> i want to talk a little bit about the bigger picture here. you see this killing, you think about walter scott, you think about what happened in baltimore. during the obama era there were things put in place to enforce police reform. attorney general jeff sessions ordered a review of all police reform investigations recently set by the obama administration as part of an effort to cut back on federal oversight of local law enforcement including deadly force and how officers deal with minority communities. what do you make of this
investigating that? >> well, i think what we had here was one of the obama era initiate i haves whi initiatives which is body cam. for a city like balch springs to have body cam footage was a big deal, i think that was part of the obama administration's big push to get those on as many officers as possible. and i think frankly as a civil rights attorney i have my concerns about jeff sessions at the head of the doj and his plan to really support law enforcement no matter what they do. and i think what we saw here in this case was law enforcement proving that sometimes they get it wrong. and that it's okay to question them. and when they're wrong, it's our responsibility in order to secure justice for all americans to punish them. >> all right. s. lee merit, attorney for jordan edwards family, give our best to jordan's family, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. i want to shift now back to
politics from praising controversial leaders to calling for a good shutdown to taking a victory lap after the house health care vote on thursday president trump kicked off his second 100 days in office with a whirlwind week. >> coming from a different world and only being a politician for a short period of time how am i doing? am i doing okay? i'm president. hey, i'm president. can you believe it, right? i don't know. thought you needed a little bit more time they always told me, more time. but we didn't. >> yeah. he's president. joining me now to discuss democratic strategist chris kafinis and republican strategist john braybender. john, i'm going to start with you. the president said yesterday focused on getting it right, not getting it fast when it comes to health care, but there was a push from the white house and it happened before they had that congressional budget office
score. so do you think the president's going to allow the senate to take their time with their vote? >> well, i think the senate's going to decide they can take their time. but this is a big legislative move forward. this was a significant piece of legislation they passed. let's put this in the right context. the president ran on getting rid of obamacare and won because of that in states like pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, big democratic states. and now he's going forward and doing what he promised to do. so i think you have to look at this as being very significant. let's not forget there was not a single democrat last year that ran on that they actually voted for obamacare including hillary clinton. so i think that this will be perceived good in middle america. i think it's a good week for president trump. >> but, chris, do you think this was more about sticking to campaign promises here or was this about belief in the ahca? >> i think this is an administration that needed to put something on the scoreboard and was determined to do
everything they could to do that. when you push a piece of legislation through and basically there's no debate, no one's read the bill because they didn't really make the bill public, and there's no cbo score so you don't know what the cost is or how many folks are actually going to lose insurance, but then you start realizing what's in there. the cuts to medicaid, the cuts in subsidies, the taking away or minimizing of pre-existing conditions coverage. i mean, this is the problem that the trump administration and those house members are going to face. this is apparent viekt ri. what i mean by that is simple. you have to take something away. it's easy to give something to voters, now you're taking health care away. people may not have liked certain aspects of obamacare, but if you had health care coverage because you were covered because of medicaid or covered because you had a pre-existing condition, now you're potentially going to lose that, i have a feeling it's going to make you a very motivated voter in 2018. >> we talked earlier in the show about how the republicans acted after this, they had a party,
rolled the bud light in, they clapped. i mean, they had a party. not a lot of talk has surrounded the way democrats have reacted. and i want to get your reaction on that. take a listen to how they reacted and then we'll talk. ♪ na na na na na na na ♪ ♪ hey hey hey good-bye >> chris, to you, you're more likely to be challenged, do you think democrats reacted the way they should have or if you think this thing was going to fell they should have let it fail and keep their mouth shut. >> i don't think it's a question of keeping their mouth shut. i think it's fine to voice, i think, criticism and justified outrage of what this legislation proposed legislation is going to do. i wouldn't necessarily have sang a song because here's the reality. the average voter out there is
still pretty angry and upset at both parties. and what they kind of see is dysfunction. now, that responsibility falls more on republicans because they're in power, but democrats, as a democrat, we have a challenge and that is to go out there and communicate a very clear vision and a set of policy priorities that appeal to voters. and that is i think our fundamental challenge. we can be against trump, and i think that is going to get us so far. we can be against republicans and that's going to get us so far. but we have to be for something. >> and, john, what about the republicans here? i mean, come on, there's such a long road ahead here. this is literally one teeny step in many steps ahead. and yet you're rolling in beer. i mean, you're having a major party from what may or may not move forward. >> well, i think what they're actually celebrating was that first step. i agree with you this is going to be a long process. and, frankly, a bill of this magnitude that affects so many americans should be a process. but chris said something very interesting, i thought, when he said that a lot of them didn't even read the bills. i think that's why you saw the democrat reaction.
because if they would have read the bill they would understand there's $138 billion in there for pre-existing illness. so some of the things they're celebrating they think they're going to run on next year clearly they're not going to be able to. >> a lot of people out there saying, many health experts saying that's just a fraction of the cost that would cover pre-existing conditions in this country. but again everybody has their opinion. thank you both for joining us. that's all for me this hour. i'm going to be back at 5:00 p.m. up next, richard lui. there's nothing more important to me than mvacation. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation, in case i decide to go from kid-friendly to kid-free. now i can start relaxing even before the vacation begins. your vacation is very important. that's why booking.com makes finding the right hotel for the right price easy. visit booking.com now to find out why we're booking.yeah
♪ ♪ take on the mainstream. introducing nissan's new midnight edition. ♪ very good saturday to you. i'm richard lui in new york. new revelations today about former national security advisor michael flynn and his ties to russia. reports are saying flynn was warned by senior officials within the trump administration about the potential risks from having contact with russian ambassador prior to the election. that warning coming just one month before flynn was fired after speaking with the russian ambassador. as the gop health care