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imminent. new worries that worst is yet to come in the global hack attack. more on the race to stop a second wave this morning with homeland security now ordering an emergency meeting. we're also look ago head to president trump's travel ban. big court hearing out west. federal judges may -- may reinstate that controversial order. we're looking at all of it with the best team in the business. christian welker at the white house, ken delaney, harold ford jr. on set, former justice department spokesman and now anybody msnbc analyst. and anna palmer hoochlt good to you have here swrechlt plenty to kick off this week. walk us through what the sprez doing this weekend in search of the new fbi director and the timing and subtext to all this the tapes that he's been tweeting about. what do you got? >> doj has the lead in the search. that means the attorney general, jeff sessions and deputy a.g.
but the president himself said over the weekend that he expects the process to move swiftly. judge michael garcia could potentially be a strong pick. and then mike rothers to name another one, former house intelligence chairman and also a former fbi agent. he is someone who is endorsed by a number of fbi officials over the be weekend. so he's one to watch. what's at stake with this pick?
politically the stakes couldn't be higher. there was so much controversy swirling around the firing of fbi director james comey. so not don't person need to be qualified but the thinking is that someone who seems too partisan like cornyn, for example, may not be the right pick. or someone who seems too closely aligned with president trump. so that's what's at stake. the president did dang this will possibility that he recorded conversations with the former fbi director. neither the president nor sean spicer denying that on friday. then, of course, over the weekend bipartisan calls to release those tapes if they do in fact exist. really casting a cloud over this search. >> i want you to hang tight. we're going to come back on a different topic. i want to go over to ken delany. can you talk us through what you're hearing from your sources inside the intelligence and national security communities about some of the names being interviewed that she talked about for this position.
what are you hearing? >> as they just said, these are -- manufacture the names are the kind of people you would expect to be on a list like this right? former federal judges, former prosecutor, many very well regarded, fran townsend, george w. bush's security adviser. what is different about this list is partisan politicians is on. that that is raising a lot of concerns among current and former fbi officials and also criticize bid lindsey graham over the weekend who said, look this picture comes from within the rank and file. now mike rogers as kristen mentioned, was endorsed by the fbi agent association over the weekend. he may be different because although he is a former house member, he's also former fbi agent. and while he was running donald trump's national security transition, he was ousted from that job. and he has a reputation for independence. senator john cornyn of tex stectexas, he is a big trump supporter. i think picking him would raise
a the love questions on the hill and in the fbi community. and, of course, democrats are saying they're not going to vote for any fbi director unless someone is named to oversea the russian investigation. they would need new help to block the fbi nominee. >> all good points. ken, thank you. i want to bring in the panel now. harold, matthew, sarah. i will start with you. on this list of eight people you have members of congress, people that are involved in politics. you also have a homeland security official under george w. bush and so on. are you surprised there are not more fbi veterans on this list? people that noven would you say have heard about? >> there are current fbi officials. i think people that watched the white house watch how the president has tried to, you know, shut down the investigation and called into question. i think it's very unlikely the people at the fbi are serious candidates right now fuchlt look at that list, it feels like john cornyn and then a bunch of stocking horses. it seems to me the president wants someone who knows he can
control. that's why you see cornyn on this list. and some of the other officials, i'm surprised that you don't see someone like a mark phillips, deputy attorney general in the bush administration. he was a prosecutor and a federal judge. there are a number of people like this him that are obvious candidates for the job who have independence and respected by both parties who are nowhere to be seen. >> i want to go you to. a lot of folks on capitol hill are saying, listen this fbi pick cannot be political. chris van hollen was on nbc who said anybody that has any ties to politics is not going to meet the confidence test. you look at what is happening in washington and so much polarization, is there any appointment that president can make that will not be seen as political? will anybody meet that bar? >> probably not. largely because he, the president himself admitted he fired mr. comey not because of the reasons enumerated by his staff but because russia was on his mind. and with an investigation underway, democrats and some republicans including richard burr are curious to know if this
designee has the independence to do. that if you're trump, to matt's point, one reason that cornyn finds himself high on the slis senators have a hard time voting against another senator. some democrats have differences with jeff sessions during his nomination process and confirmation process. he eventually was confirmed. whoever is nominated has to answer the question, can you conduct this investigation independently and fairly snt second reason you want to move quickly on this is matt's point makes clear, you have to figure out if you're trump, how do you get back to health care and taxism? perhaps cornyn is able to be confirmed quickly allows the senate to do. that otherwise, you stay mired in this quagmire. i would say rightly. so the country according to the polling data we're putting up believes that eight out of ten americans believe it's going to take an independent counsel to trum t get into this probe. >> there are a lot of folks that have not seen the comey firing
story penetrate into what is news and what is not. i want to play for all of what you senator graham, his name has been envogue, we'll play liz sound. what he said on "meet the press" regarding the backdrop to all this. the president tweeting about the tapes with his conversation with the fbi director he fired, james comey. listen to what the senator had to say. >> if there are any tapes, they have to be turned over. you can't be cute about tapes f there are any tapes of this conversation, they need to be turned over. >> so listen, we don't know if the tapes exist weflt don't know what exist that's is out. there but somebody needs twoshg at the department of justice, somebody that knows james comey, what can you share about any records he might vf different conversations? >> so one thing that has followed him throughout his career is he's very careful whenever he faces anything that he deems inappropriate. he leaves a record of it. he did it during the bush administration in 2005 when the bush administration was approval torture. some of the e-mails sent came out years later. he famously went and received in
2007 before senate hearing and talked about pressure that had been brought to bear upon him and on the director of the fbi at the time. i think that we can expect two things out of jim comey, one, there is probably a record he wrote, a memo about that dinner with president trump. i think we can expect to see him testify with cameras rolling, lights on, again in public. if it is keeping with the entire career in law enforcement. >> harold, should the president be worried about that? >> if i were the president, i probably would be. i think matt is right. this is a guy that takes notes but throughout his career whether you agree or disagree with him is great in keeping a record to demonstrate he was aboveboard and shows probe ti that could be sprekted for a long time to come. >> i want to talk with kristen welker here and bring her back in. there is another story line that we're following coming out of the white house. it has to do with a lot of. this there is reporting that about how the firing of jim comey is hand ld inside the west wing. that is fueling a ton of talk about a shake-up. and there is questions about time line and all of this. walk us through what we know and
what we don't know. >> well, first to what we know. look, president trump almost acknowledging that there was mixed messages last week surrounding his decision to fire james comey. he said my press team cannot speak with 100% accuracy. they can't know what is in my head at all times. similar to what we heard at the podium and from the vice president, conflicting with what the president said himself. but we also know that he thinks that the messaging was bought that, they were prepared effectively to respond to some of the tough questions that were going to come in the wake of his decision. to fire the former fbi director. so who is really at the center of some of the criticism here? we know reince priebus, certainly. sean spicer has gotten a lot of scrutiny over the last couple months. they think that sarah that stepped in did a very good job. and we also know that jared
kushner and ivanka not pleased with how that rollout went. steve bannon seems to not be completely in the mix. he learned about the final decision after the fact. so what does this all mean? the reality is we have that big benchmark tendst week, what you and i keep talking about that big foreign trip. will the president make a huge decision? is there a huge shake-up? it's really unlikely. that's a chance for him to shift the narrative. so it is possible this is the president sort of blowing off steam and then he moved on. we've seen that happen in the past. so there's a real question about whether or not he's going to take action. what we do know is that there is some internal frustration here in the wake of that rollout over the fbi director. >> internal frustration is certainly one way to understate it. kristen welker, thank you very much. anna and sarah, what does itten into we've been having this conversation right now five days before the president heads off on this crucial foreign trip and after the firing of jim comey here? >> well, obvious, we heard since the beginning of the administration that there was some imminent shake-up.
and a lot of that was wish projection for people that railroad angry. we heard that steve bannon was on the bubble for weeks now. we've heard different names. now we're hearing the criticism come from the president himself. we hear him criticizing the communications team in several different interviews. and the leaks are getting louder and more specific about who is on the bubble and why. so there is reason to believe that potentially a shake-up could be coming. it wouldn't be abnormal. presidents in the past have in the first year made major changes when it's clear that the team they brought in from the campaign wasn't working. and it would signal an acknowledge ment in the white house that what they've been doing hasn't been successful. >> how much do you think fbi director search is a sort of -- i don't want to call it a welcomed diversion, but they will want to focus on this and the president has not interviewed the candidates personally as kristen welker talked about. that won't happen until the short list gets wid willed down to the finalist. >> right. i think this is kind of the intrigue. we all in washington love to
talk about. this and certainly it's something that trump loves to kind of throw people under the bus, see how the tests go out. it seems like it's getting more serious. certainly big stuff in terms of a shake-up in the communications strategy. this may be something he can do. there were three different shakeups over 16 months in a campaign n this sense weeshgs all waiting to see who is the first person out. >> carol, let me get your take away here. the backdrop again with the russia investigation. you look at all the threads out there, the knot that brings them all together. >> you played linldcy's point from over the weekend. he's echoing obviously what democrats are saying. one, you have reports saying that mr. jarrod curb near and young miss trum. >> reporter: concerned. they should be concerned that guy got fired. i don't know how can you roll this in and out a way no that would have sounded any better than what sean and miss sandered try tried to do. they were not armed with the facts or the president may have
changed the facts on them overnight. the challenge that the white house has, there is a disconnect between the policies they want to pursue and the communications around that poll sichlt you have to be on the same page. so i'm not convinced that a staff shake-up changes this. until the president is willing to sit and put around people with him and have washington experience who commit to working with the congress and not looking down on him, i think they're going to incontinue to have the challenges. manufacture the problems are correctible. he has to make the decision on his own regardless of what his advisors or how upset they may get around him. it is ultimately the president's decision here. >> matt, you are engaged, you've been engaged with the communication strategy. you know a the love the players that we're talking about. you have heard anything over the weekend from folks you talk to about how this white house moves forward and any potential fallout from all of this? >> you know, i it this problem for the swhous if there is a staff shake-up, the team at the white house, they have never really been the a team from republican politics anyway. a lot of them qualified people
both in communications and other roles didn't want to join this white house. so if these people leave finding replace ments is not going to be easy. the problem is not uche lit staff in this white house. the problem is the president. and unless the president takes responsibility and changes the way he is acting, changes the things he says and done, they're going to have a problem no matter who the sta s. >> matt, thank you. harold, thank you. you two stick around. we have breaking news we want to get to coming out of the supreme court. we just got pete williams up to walk us through the supreme court's latest rule on north carolina. talk us through what is going on. >> so this is a defeat for north carolina. and it's the last chapter in the saga over a law that the state legislature passed in 2013 that was one of the strictest voter id laws in the country. it also shaved seven days off the period for early voting. it said your vote wouldn't count if you voted out of precinct.
it said 16-year-olds couldn't preprejudicester to vote. that was immediately challenged by the naacp and other groups. the obama administration challenged it as well. and a -- the fourth circuit court of appeals struck the law down. they said it couldn't be enforced because it was passed by the legislature with discriminatory intent. the state moved to appeal. that we had a change in 5d mgss in the state. the republican governor who originally sportd the law was defeated. we had a democratic governor and attorney general. they declined to defend the law. but the state legislature still controlled by republicans said they wanted to keep the appeal going. and in any i vent, the supreme court declined to take up the appeal today. that means the law cannot be enforced and that's it for the law. john roberts said it wasn't clear who had the right to appeal. he just said at the bottom of a
very short one page note about this case basically just because we didn't take the case doesn't mean that we're making any statement about the merits of the issue. but in any event, it's over now. the law can't be enforced. so it is now a dead letter. ending this long fight over what was one of the toughest restrictions on voting rights in the country. >> nbc news chief justice correspondent pete williams, thank you for that report. coming up, we're heading overseas to talk about major international news. what we know about another missile launch out of north korea with new reporting from the pentagon within just the last hour from our team there about the implications and why this feels different. plus, the trice stop a second wave of a massive cyber attack. the targeted computers all across the world. how to protect yourself coming up. remember here at ally, nothing stops us from doing right by our customers. who's with me? we're like a sports team here at ally. if a sports team had over 7... i'm in. 7,000 players.
new this morning, two new strainses of malware with thousands of our companies being affected. they're reporting issues with the e-mail system. this comes as investigators are still trying to figure out damage from friday's first wave. more than 200,000 systems in 150 countries were affected. this is the biggest cyber attack
in history. following it all is our reporter in london. the initial attack was stopped. now we're seeing new strains. what is the latest? >> yeah, that's exactly right. the chinese have identified one of the new strains. they say it spreads even faster and harder to kill off. tens of thous onands of systems dhin are affected. it's not clear if they're from friday's strain or a new strain. no reports of any widespread secondary attacks this morning. 22-year-old cybersecurity researcher actually found a way to slow the spread of the original virus over the weekend. but this morning even he says that cyber people are finding the way around it and rewrite the code and sending it back out n case you didn't hear about this this shou it works. the worm comes first in an e-mail with a bad link. it then quickly infects an entire computer system. demanding $300 to get your incrypted files back.
that is why it is called ransomware. they took advantage of the security hole. first found about it national security agency. that information was then spread on line last summer by a group called shadow brokers and this malware is the result. that the easiest way to guard against this is to make sure you installed the latest security updates from microsoft f you're a microsoft user and those security updates are available to anyone even if you're on an older system. lots of questions now about who may be responsible and how long this will continue on. >> kelly there in london, thank you. especially the part about how people can protect themselves. that is something a lot of folks are wonld therg morning. kelly, thank you much. we have new reporting out of the pentagon after north korea's latest missile test. u.s. officials calling the launch serious.
they fired a new rocket capable of carry being nug lar warhead. fill us in on what you got. what are officials there telling you? >> what they're saying is don't folk ounce the distance of this missile. that was important. but the concerning thing the pentagon officials was the arc, altitude. it went up so high and that gives you a sense that maybe the north korean as cheefd re-entry into the atmosphere. you're getting a lot of concern. remember, the question was always whether for the intercontinental ballistic missile that, wasn't this, right? we're still nlt interimmediate range. the hope was they haven't figured out re-entry. it looks like they might have figured out re-entry. this is the successful launch. everyone is calling it that. they tried about it four time. so this is going to throat ball back flt diplomatic court. nikki haley sthed is a guessing game trying to figure out what is in fact kim jong-un's head.
>> i think we can't get into his head. you know, he's in a stast paranoia. he's incredibly kbernd anything aefr everything around him. i think this is a message to south korea after the election. and so what we're going to do is continue to tighten the screws. officials here are not caught up on the actual name of the missile, namely the capability. it cynt immediate. it was high and came down. and importantly, it was successful. >> that's key. hans, we'll let you get back to it. thank you for joining us. >> coming up, the familiar live a penn state student who died in that apparent kaz of hazing. they open up a harrowing interview matt lauer. what they think should happen to the frat bothers involved and what penn state did not do. stay with us.
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officers. they said he was taking action by asking the department of justice to develop a plan to reduce violent crime against law enforcement officials. any minute we expect to seat president leave the white house and head to the hill for that speech honoring officers who died in the line of duty. vice president pence also expected to make remarks. a sign how important they seat runup election in georgia. paul ryan will join republicans for a rally in suburban atlanta later on today. he is tag off against john autof and a seat that by the way newt gingrich was held as well. democrats see this race as a best shot in taking back the spot held by republicans since 1979. >> also today, the family of penn state student timothy piaza is opening up about the nightmare they've been living. he was 19 when he died in february at a party at the school's fraternity. 18 penn state students are now facing charges. and tim's family talked with
matt lauer about the final hours of their son's life and what could have saved him. >> because of how drunk tim was, he fell a number of times. and one of those falls was down a staircase that was 15 feet long. he was severely injured. and for 12 hours she slapped him. they threw wear the on his face. they punched him in the gus where the ruptured spleen was. >> right. >> trying to snap out of it. sober up. >> they did a sturn yum rub. somebody knew what a sternup rub was and knew if you didn't react it to, there is a significant issue. they did nothing about it. >> whether did you realize something was wrong? >> one of his roommates called me to see if i knew where he was because he hadn't come home. so i called the hospital just to see and the woman on the phone
told me he was in the emergency room. so i went over there immediately. and when i got there -- i found out pretty quickly how serious it was. >> were you the one who called your folks? >> i had to call my mom to let her know that he was severely injured and that they were going to fly him to the hershey medical center because it was so severe that they couldn't treat him. there. >> whether is the first time you saw tim. >> sow was in surgery and then the doctors came out and, you know, they basically sat us down and they said, you know, he had a nonrecoverable brain injury. so we knew at that point he wasn't going to make it. we were hoping that there would be something different an outcome. they let gous in and see him
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rattled birt president's frustration with pr guidance and prediction errors. trump officials are hoping the presidt's first foreign trip friday gives them a chance to reboot. preparations for this trip are happening in the president's inner circle appears to be shrinking. check out this headline. trump upset at cabinet and staff and sweeping shake-up. i'm joined now by msnbc political analyst and former george w. bush representative andy card. first you to, andy. walk us through your reaction from what we're hearing this weekend. what pears to be a sense of suspicion, exhaustive staffers
inside the west wing constantly battered by this drum beat of reporting suggesting a shake-up is on the way. >> first of all, when you work at the white house, it's a great privilege. it's a great honor. but you're only there if can you add value. if you're just working there because you have a job at the white house, you shouldn't be working at the white house. and everybody serves at the pleasure of the president for the time being. that's redunltant in the insecurities. so if you're not adding value to the white house staff, there should be an expectation that there will be changes. i'm not sure that there is going to be a big shake-up. i think there say lot going on. the president's first foreign trip means that there is a lot of moving parts. a lot of challenges. the president needs to be very well served. i'm hoping folks at the white house are paying no attention to the scuttlebutt about potential changes and focusing on helping the president do his job. >> i have to tell you, i think folks are looking at his reporting, especially lit stuff that came out yesterday going, okay, listen, you know, i look at somebody like a sean spicer
who has been named as somebody on that shake-up list. "the new york times" says the president kept the own press secretary because he is worried about leaks. we know the president is upset about leaks inside the ald mgs regarding sean spicer and other staffer as well wlachlt does all this tell you? >> every president has worried about leaks. that's a pretty common concern for a president to have. the white house staff should worry about doing their job. and if sean spicer thinks he's not doing his job, he should resign. but beyond that, he should just keep doing his job until he loses the capacity to do it. either because he can't do it or because somebody's lost confidence in him. but i don't think they should get wrapped around the axel the way we're wrapped around saying they are. i would say just do your job. and recognize the great honor and privilege it is to serve the president. and i can't tell you how impressed i am with the people who work at the white house and
understand that it's a commitment, it's not really a job. if you think it's a job, don't work there. it's a commitment. >> and andy, given the president's tweets, you have a secret recording system in the george w. bush white house? >> if we did, i didn't know anything about it. it was really secret. i'm not aware of any secret recording system that we v i don't think it's appropriate to have one. i have no ideather the president has one now oroesn't have one. i really find it unusual if the debate is about. that but i can understand why there is a debate. the president is the one that introduced the concern. >> yeah. andy, i want to bring in sarah and an yachlt they worked for politico and not the "post." i apologize for. that if there was a senior staff shake-up, you have to put bodies in place at that point. do you think the president is that far down the line at this point? >> yeah, i think we even said today that, is a biggest challenges right. you look at the number of 30 to
50-year-old who's have been in republican politics who are secretary themselves up to go in a white house like this. and almost taking a pass. i don't think they're anywhere near the situation where they can say listen, they haven't filled a lot of the position that's a lot of the agency that's are still open. there haven't been a the love people that want to fill those candidates or those spots. i that i is one of the biggest hurdles for him. >> and i think back, you know, there is some criticism of the president himself saying even if you replace some of the senior staffers as long as president trump is still tweeting spontaneously and still willing to change positions and policies on a whim, then senior staff shake-up may not work. you look at how his national security team has changed dramatically since there was a staffing shake-up there. hr mcmaster has brought some gravitas to the national security element of the white house. and that operation has run very smoothly and professionally since that shake-up happened. so you know that it can have an infect on the way operations are run. >> andy, you're plugged into gop
politics. have you seen any feelers to folks you know about this? >> most people love to have these kind of conversations at the water bubbler. i guess they don't have those anymore or the coffee machine. so, yes. i'm sure that there is a buzz around washington, d.c., and people wonder who son top or not or in or out? my expectation is that the white house reince priebus knows what's going on. he's probably introducing a lot of discipline to the staff right now saying keep doing your job. i actually think the operations at the white house are going very well. it's not easy to take the president overseas on a big foreign policy trip. and they've got a lot of things that are working well in order to have this trip. so i don't want you to presume that things are not working well at the white house. many things are working very well at the white house. that doesn't mean there isn't
some fighting. if everybody at the white house thinks the same way, they're not sevening the president well. so you actually like a little bit of friction on the white house staff every once in a while. >> i want to get your take on this new poll we have out. showing the president's approval rating at 39%. for comparison, president george w. bush didn't reach that landfall until october 2005 until after bad headlines. probe explain the challenges if you see one that this presents to the white house and what if anything they can do to fix it. >> well, i do believe there is a challenge for the president. and it's a clahallenge for him being able to create an echo of support in congress. he's got to do more to exercise discipline. describe his policies and how they will impact people. he made a lot of promises. it's important for him to remember his promises and articulate to the american people what he's doing to keep his word. and his word is very important.
i'm troubled by the fake news because fake news is defining now all news whether it comes from the mainstream media or anybody else. it's presumed to be fake. and i want the president to demonstrate with empathy what he wants to do for the american people so that he can create support from the republican caucus in the house of representatives and some democrats and then build bipartisan support to get some of these important policies through. so, yes, the public perception of the president's leadership is crucial to the success of him being able to get packages passed by congress. >> you know, he brings up this fake news. i know your colleague has a piece out today talking about the impact of that and on the west wing. i want you to both broaden out and look ahead to what this could mean. how does this play out? i know it's way, way, way early. you have to think a little bit about 2018. a operative said to me, nobody thinks people are going to go in the voting booth and make their
decision base ond what is happening this week with jim comey and the discussions of a staff shake-up. this could mobilize not voters but recruitment procedures. do you think republicans should be concerned? >> republicans should be concerned if they don't have a piece of legislation to run on in 2018. the distractions are reventing them from moving on to conversations about legislation. it is harder to pass any subinstantive legislation in an election year. because law makers are reluctant to take that. the veets in jeopardy. if they don't get something date of birth before the end of this year, it's going to be tough to have anything to point to to justify why republicans should be left to control of congress. >> i mean, i actually think it's one thing we should be looking at. you talk to members in the halves congress about what are they doing here? there is nothing getting past. trump every other day is tweeting something not on message for the republican brand. you don't have donald trump in
the ballot in 2018 and you're going to see a the love senators potentially even house members start to break with the president on the policies which is just going to make it stagnation and kind of perception that nothing can get done in washington be pervasive in that 2018 election. >> andy, twunyou want to jump i here? >> a lot is being done in washington but it's just not being productive. it's like a ten ring circus noshgnot a three-ring circus. a lot of us don't know what is going on in washington because the confetti is blowing up in the air all the time. we're celebrating how great america is. so i think there needs to be more discipline. i would wish the president would maybe not be as quick to comment on things. most of the confetti that goes in the air is as a result of him calling attention to something that distract us. i'd like to focus on creating a climate where real tax reform
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expect to see? >> this is a big hearing in the ninth circuit, which many people may remember as donald trump's criticism of it or repeatedly the brick wall that the travel ban has run into. if the president were to prevail in this hearing, potentially the travel ban could be reinstated immediately. the second round of the executive order, if, however, the challengers in the state of hawaii prevail, they would be setting up victories to ultimately we expect to be taken into the supreme court with the argument this is not lawful and it is, quote, a muslim ban. >> what do you think as far as timeline on the decision here? >> the judges can do what they want, so we can't tell you exactly, but we would expect the judges to hear the case in the panel this afternoon. you can see up there, all three are clinton appointees and are viewed legally to be not politically hostile to the president but to be judicially skeptical, we would say, of this kind of executive power, given the controversies that have sort of been displayed and given the
challenging arguments that you have to look at what the president and his aides have said. the opening challenge to be debated today starts by quoting the president in a rally that we all remember where he said the second travel ban was watered down, that he didn't like it. so they are going to be basically hearing that and can rule in a matter of days about whether to keep the block on the travel ban, or as i said, if trump won, to put the travel ban back in force. >> likely to go to the supreme court here, ali? >> i think so. >> when listening to the arguments here, what are you going to be listening for? there's a chance for us to listen to this as it's happening, what key words or key arguments or key phrases are you going to have your ears perk up about? >> two big answers to that. one, it's all about who has the power. so when you hear discussions about congress or what legally is sometimes called an immigration power, that's bad for trump. that's bad for the travel ban,
because that's the court digging into arguments that say, hey, maybe this is a good idea, maybe tightening immigration is okay, but you have to do it with congress under the law and not only out of the oval office. the second piece is what we have all heard about, the spirited debate over whether the president should be taken at his word from the campaign, that he wanted to ban people based on religion, which is not allow in the constitution, or whether he's involved and this is what white house aides no longer insist. >> sarah? >> we haven't heard that kind of insidiary rhetoric from trump since the earlier campaign. since taking office, he has not talked about the controversial terms for the most part. so the problem with the travel ban, in the case for the administration, is trump's most controversial statements keep getting dredged up, put into fresh headlines. the trump administration keeps having to answer for them anew when clearly this is a chapter of the trump campaign they would prefer to leave in the past.
>> as ari points out, one of the comments the president made, the watered down version, came when he was president inside the administration. >> one of the interesting things to look at is the ninth circuit has a case they have been waiting to rule on for 17 months. there was a story about it today that was also dealing with the point of whether or not you can target muslims or whether the feds were targeting muslims going into mosques. so you can see the president, if they were able to rule on that, before they rule on this travel ban case, there could be some present there that they have to deal with. >> thank you for stjoining us o this stunning morning in washington. it won't be long before summer hits us. joining us from 30 rock out in seattle, we'll have much more ahead on this network, including live remarks from president trump on capitol hill down the road from where we are at the peace officer's memorial ceremony on the hill. stay with us. liberty mutual stood with me
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the tapes. lawmakers from both sides of the aisle call for president trump to turn over any recordings he may have of his krfrgconversati with ousted fbi director james comey. plus, recording history. new reports say president trump has for a long time secretly recorded phone conversations when he was in private business. the reporter who broke the story will tell us what the president's former associates say and what it could mean for staffers now. and breaking right now, cyber chaos. the largest cyber attack ever is spreading by the minute, stealing information and demanding ransom from hundreds of thousands of users across more than 150 countries. what you need to do to protect yourself. good morning, everyone. i'm chris jansing in beautiful washington, d.c. this morning, democrats are ratcheting up their pressure on president trump on not one but two fronts. for starters, demanding any takes the