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. new word on the arrests on the terror attack in london. 21 people remain in critical condition reright now. good to have you with me, everybody, i'm thomas roberts at nbc world headquarters in new york. police are sweeping through parts of london on the search for anyone in connection to last night's deadly terror attack. it started on the london bridge. we have new video of the bridge incident, people running in fear of their lives after the attack. a car veered off the road on the sidewalk hitting pedestrians and then three attackers fled a van starting to attack people on foot. in the bars and restaurants
nearby, people were attacked there in the borough market. the investigation stretches well beyond the city. we have two reports for you, nbc's lucy kafanov but we want to begin with gabe gutierrez in barking where police made fresh arrests. what can you tell us? >> reporter: good afternoon, we just heard from the metropolitan police a short time ago. they say this investigation is still under way. right behind me is the building where one of the attackers is believed to have lived according to neighbors. a police van just pulled out of here within past few minutes. the suspects have not been identified of course but several -- at least one of the raids happened here this morning around 7:00 a.m. local time. i'm joined by michael, you witnessed this raid this morning. >> yeah. >> reporter: what happened? >> basically i was getting ready five minutes of 7:00 and heard a couple of 4 x 4s speeding down the road and men screaming run, run.
and saying get down, get down. and i initially heard a first bang. heard a first bang. >> reporter: was that you believe a grenade or gunshot? >> i believe it was a grenade. i came downstairs what's happening in this area and see a couple of guys on the floor. and one tried to run this direction. >> reporter: were they people in the building in. >> they were already outside the building. >> do you know who those people were by any chance? >> we believe they live on the first underground floor or something like that, but one tried to run and that's when he was -- i believe he was tasered and then he fell down and took him straight away. >> would you describe it as a chaotic scene? >> you were standing over there when i heard -- heard a loud bang so i ran back. on the ground tried to resist arrest, that's when armed police
had guns -- >> at least one of the people that were detained were resisting arrest, was the situation they were cooperative? >> some were being cooperative, the other -- there was four male and one woman. the woman was -- everyone else was being cooperative but one of the guys trying to resist and the armed police moved in on them. >> at least one woman was taken into custody? >> yes. definitely one woman. >> reporter: at this point we don't know the relationship of the people that were detained to any of the potential suspects, right? but neighbors here have been saying that according to some of the videos or pictures that have been circulating, they believe one of the attackers they seem to recognize him and they believe that he lives in that building. do you have any more information who this person may have been. >> he was just a guy in the neighborhood. his kids play with our kids. he's around our age and seemed like a regular guy. even on the side he was invited
to the final, which he decline and politely declined. now we're waking up to this. it's obscene. >> reporter: michael, one of the neighbors here at the scene of a raid this morning, 7:00 a.m. local time. several people taken into custody. metropolitan police saying this investigation is still ongoing. there are still searches under way in parts of east london. >> gabe gutierrez in barking outside of london. we want to go to lucy kafanov near the scene in london. we just had a update from the metro police in the last 30 minutes, they feel confident that the three individuals involved from the bridge are the main assailants, correct? >> reporter: that's right, thomas. this is a significant piece of evidence. we heard from the assistant police commissioner mark raleigh, they made progress and they are confident that they are the only people involved in the attack.
what that means is this is no longer a manhunt for other potential culprits. this is now an investigation to try to unravel if there was any sort of network behind the three men but they are basically now trying to connect them with their accomplices and acquaintances and figure out their backgrounds. they are not searching for any more possible perpetrators of this attack. that is a significant development at least with people here in london can rest a little more easily. more of the information from the assistant police commissioner said security corps donees like the one behind me will remain. travelers can expect delays tomorrow because of those security measures and also be implementing new security measures on bridges across london. he said the public could expect to see more armed and unarmed police officers on this street patrolling the streets. he did also describe the moments that the police used to sort of
neutrali neutralize, a dramatic moment, a life or death situation because they were wearing fake suicide vests. take a moment to listen to how he described that. >> we have established a venue during the attack with the white van recently hired by one of the attackers and i can confirm eight officers discharged their weapons. while this will be subject to an investigation by the ipccc our initial assessment in the region of 50 rounds, 50 bullets were fired by eight officers. three attackers were shot dead. as they confronted the terrorists, a member of the public also suffered a gunshot wound. although the injuries are not critical in nature they are in hospital receiving medical attention. >> reporter: 50 rounds is pretty significant in a country like this where the police officers are usually unarmed but it did help resolve the situation, threat to the public by taking
out those assailants, 36 people remain in hospital. 21 of them critically injured and of those seven who are killed, seven members of the public, they aren't releasing the identities yet because the authorities are working to notify the next of kin and we are learning there are some foreigners tragically among the dead. thomas? >> lucy kafanov reporting from plon done. i want to bring in brian dillon, from the same unit that responded and killed the suspects in eight minutes. the prime minister praised the officers for the quick response. let's falk about the information we have right now, lucy's reporting and what we heard from the police department about they believe and have high confidence that these three individuals that were killed on scene are the main attackers. how big of a difference does that make for what they are doing in the investigation now? >> well, it makes a significance
difference because what that would suggest is they've got the people concerned in this particular incident and the immediate threat of other assailants at large in the capitol has sub sided. it's still an inquiry of this skill, very early days, 12 people have been brought into custody. there will be extensive investigations in regard to them and their involvement. so this is still a rapidly unfolding police investigation that can't by any means be considered as closed at this point in time. there's an awful lot of work to be done to secure the capital. >> when it comes to the arrest and gabe gutierrez on the scene and 12 individuals taken into custody, one of them believe to be a woman as well. the identity of these attackers have not been released to the public. give us insight into why police would be holding off on releasing that information
currently? >> very much because this is still a live investigation and the authorities understand that the public and media are inte e intensely interested in it. but the main thing at the moment is protecting the people of london and trying to get the best evidence to prosecute anyone still involved in this. i'm sure for those reasons the police are keeping details to themselves while the investigation unfolds. >> we know the general election in the uk is coming up on thursday. in advance of that the prime minister has come out with pretty tough language today in referencing the tolerance of extremism. take a listen for yourself. >> while we have made significant progress in recent years, there is to be frank far too much tolerance of extremism in our country. >> from someone with your knowledge with the uk police department and terrorism as a whole, what do you make of a statement like that and the
position to policy for the uk moving forward with three attacks in three months? >> in amongst that the prime minister also said that there is only so much that can be done by the police and security forces to keep london and the united kingdom safe. i and i think that's a reference in her comments outside 10 downing street to the fact there is actually an awful lot more work to be done to counter radical extremism and she also referenced islamist based extremism that fuels terrorism. again, early days to say where this particular development of uk policy is going to go but my assessment is there will be a broadening of the prevent anti-radicalization program and she will want to do that i'm sure, not just with the government but working with communities and working with all of the agencies concerned to actually have a wider debate and conversation about what radical islamism means and extremism
means and the balance between that and free speech. >> brian, how efficient is community policing? i think that's what we're take ing reference to, the fact that the onus relies on individual citizens as well. from your experience, how many great tips have ever come in to help thwart any type of planned or inspired attack? >> well, there's a long tradition in this country of policing by consent and working with the cooperation of all of the communities in our country. and with the experience of terrorism in the united kingdom that goes back particularly to irish republican terrorism that many are familiar with, there's an expression used at that time, ultimately it's communities that defeat terrorism. so much police, whether burglaries or top end style of terrorism relies on cooperation from the members of the public.
that is a threat run through policing for many years and i think that's the root really to try to solve this type of activity in the future. >> as you said it's very early on in the investigation. we'll keep everybody posted on this. head of the london metropolitan police armed response unit, thank you. we have new reaction today of the event in london from members of congress and former secretary ever state, some pushing back on a tweet by the president calling for his travel ban to be reinstated as an extra level of safety in light of terror attack in london. here is former secretary of state under president obama, john kerry and former national security adviser under president obama, susan rice this morning. >> the travel ban will be cannon fodder to the recruiters, it's the worst thing we can do. we need to do -- and we do extraordinary screening but a great deal more effort has to go into the building of community and reaching out and working
with these entities with these sectors of society so that there is not a significant gap as there is -- >> there's a very real risk that by stigma tiesing and isolating muslims from particular countries and muslims in general, that we alienate the very communities here in the united states whose cooperation we most need to detect and prevent these home grown extremists from being able to carry out attacks. >> here we have senator mark warner moments ago with these comments to ease the fears of american citizens. >> there is no specific threat against the united states. but obviously, we've seen our strongest ally britain hit three times. our hearts and thoughts and prayers go out to them. what you're seeing in britain is a resoluteness and also a recognition that as the british went through three decades of
ira related terrorism, they will carry on and i think in many ways that is what we need to do here in our country as well. >> i want to repeat for everyone watching the coverage, what the senator said there, there has been no specific threat to the united states. our hearts go out to them as british went through the ira terrorism. they will carry on and we need to do the same in our country as well. earlier this morning we had london's mayor condemn the attacks and describing the response plan put into action. >> we will never let them win nor will we allow them to cower our city of london. just like terrorists are constantly evolving and finding new ways to deinstruct and harm and attack us, the police and all of us are finding new ways to keep us safe. londoners will see an increased police presence today and next few days. no reason to be alarmed. >> president trump reacted to the london mayor's remarks with a tweet this morning saying, at
least seven dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and mayor of london says there is no reason to be alarmed? let's go to the white house now and kelly o'donnell. what more have you learn d? >> reporter: well in response to that the office of the mayor of london says he has more important things to do today than get in a twitter war with president trump. the london mayor's office is trying to keep this in perspective and saying the president didn't have the full context of what the mayor was saying. now from the president, this is sort of vintage donald trump. he's got that tough talk persona that he likes to put on out twitter and stream of these kinds of tweets that go with the harder political points today. in addition to a standard traditional offer of support to the british people. we have not seen an official sort of white house letterhead statement except the one that told us that the president and prime minister theresa may had a phone conversation about what
took place and offering all of the resources of the u.s. government. but president trump who is not at the white house this afternoon, he has traveled to his virginia golf club where we expect he'll be for a few hours today, commented about his political adversaries about implication, sort of poking at the london mayor there. they've tangled before so that is not a surprise. the president also talking about his travel ban idea that was reflected in the clip that you just played a moment ago saying that he believes that policy has to go forward in order to try to prevent such attacks in the united states. that is timely. it was on the president's mind as you know, thomas, because the trump administration just went to the supreme court a few days ago to ask them to lift the federal court restrictions that had been placed on those executive orders the president tried to put into effect to say allow the u.s. government to go ahead with the 90-day ban on
visas for the six countries involved and block on refugees for a period of time. the president wants to see that happen. he's using the twitter feed as the official statement of the white house. some would say politicizing these events in london as a way to leverage attention to an issue that he thinks should be dealt with. he wants to take a harder stand. his critics say it is unconstitutional. it would not be helpful and it would not give the president the kind of effect that he is looking for if in fact muslim communities in the united states don't feel like they can participate safely in reporting what they may see or hear or learn. so from the president, kind of that whole smaterring of offering the prayers but using this as a way to say he's got a different approach and he should be in your face. that's not a surprise from donald trump but it's certainly something we're talking about today, notable in the hours after the attacks in london. thomas? >> right, the first fweet was a drudge report retweet and travel
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internet and big companies that provide internet based services provide. we need to do everything we can at home to reduce the risks of extremism online. >> joining me now is shawn henry, president and chief security officer at crowd strike services and former member of the fbi. we know there were three neutralized suspects and police confirming within the last 50 minutes they feel those three suspects are it. 12 arrests have been made in barking, east of london. in talking about an an internet crackdown, how do they do that in a democracy like the uk with an election on thursday for them? >> that's going to be a big challenge for them. we've seen the use of the internet by terrorists to raise funds and do active recruiting and incite people to take these types of actions. the problem is the balance between free speech and protected speech and speech that you can actually go out and arrest somebody for. hate speech is actually protected speech here in the
united states under the constitution. what you've got to look at is where somebody is inciting a specific act or calling for a specific act against specific people or specific target. that can be utilized. that being said, twitter, facebook, other social media outlets have taken a big crackdown taking certain accounts and closing them down and they are actively tracking this and working collaboratively with law enforcement. >> it's a double edged sword. when we think of what the uk went through with the ira there was so media then and now we have social media that can be weaponized as a recruitment town and the reverse as a way to siphon in to figure out what's the who what, correct? >> that's right. it's not just about reaction. we can't be in that mode all the time. it's about the collection of intelligence and abilities to identify and disrupt the attacks before they occur. law enforcement and intelligence agencies have turned to the
internet, social need i canmedi intervene, identify those subjects and take them offline before create harm and wreak havoc in communities. >> donald trump confirmed this via twitter about the prime minister being angry about intel leaks from manchester coming from the u.s. what happens with our relationships around the world? not just in light of manchester but the reaction from the president this morning, not so much coming from a place of compassion from the uk but a drudge retweet, politicizing a travel ban and uk and god bless and our help will be with you. what do you think it does with our image? >> our ability to collaborate with foreign partners is first and foremost the biggest asset in trying to stop these types of attacks. i worked in my time in the burt row and know the u.s. and uk partnership is the one where we've had the post success.
we can't do things that damage that relationship. leaks out of the u.s. intelligence community are completely unacceptable and damage relationships and breach trust and create harm going forward. it's important to come together as a community. this is not about certain countries or certain religions against each other. this is about good versus evil to allow us to be stronger to defeat these types of attacks. >> shawn, great to see you, appreciate it. we're watching developments from the london terror attacks. all of the updates plut the ongoing investigation. we have a neighbor of one of the suspected attackers talking and revealing what he saw. that's coming up in a moment. can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian... legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. you're saying the new app will go live monday?!
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they've identified the three attackers and that those are the only attackers involved in the incident yesterday on london bridge and at borough market. they are not on the lookout for any more perpetrators. the focus is on that investigation trying to figure out -- pardon me, trying to figure out who these men may have associated with and what their motives were? were they part of any bigger organization? were they linked to isis or other known terror groups. those are big questions the authorities will be working on. publicly they are not identifying the attackers the way we learned about this in man ch chester was through many public leaks. that we are able to piece together from our own reporting as well as reporting done by other organizations here is that at least one if not more of these attackers lived in east london in barking, that neighborhood where those big raids were taking place and 12 people were taken into custody
by the police. because folks who live in those areas have recognized some of the attackers from those photographs that have been posted of the attackers with their fake suicide vests on the floor, including one gentleman that our colleagues managed to interview. listen to what he had to say. >> generally really nice guy. never had any sort of suspicions or anything. and yesterday i'm actually in the process of moving home at the moment and hired a van and moving a bit and he came up to me and he was a little bit over nice, if you like. it was quite strange. he was inquisitive about the van, where can i get a van -- asking details, how much is it and just asking where he could get a van basically. then he said to me i might be moving shortly with my family as well. so oh, all right, yeah. that was it. >> reporter: that's a little
scary there. this man lives next to one of the attackers who woke up to this news that something that -- sometimes feels like something that could happen to any one of us really. but at this hour what i can tell you, they are trying to make more raids and more properties being searcheded. the number in custody could go up from 12. 36 people in the hospital at the moment. 21 of them in critical condition. as i was mentioning in the earlier hour, those seven victims not all of them have been -- none of them have been publicly identified because again authorities are desperately trying to get the next of kin in order to notify the families. >> we have been getting a lot of new details over the last couple of hours and i suspect we will continue to do that. lucy, we'll come back to you if you get new reporting for us. we're going to go 200 miles to your northwest in manchester where tomorrow will mark two weeks since the last devastating terror attack, a suicide bombing
killer 22 people at an arianna grande concert. there you saw pictures of the pop star going to the hospital to see those recovering from the attack, a surprise visit. i want to go kelly cobiella in manchester. setting the scene there, i think it's 50,000 people expected to come to this benefit concert. what's the reaction to london and how security is there? >> reporter: it's a massive, massive venue, 50,000 people expected here. there are more on the outside and police were also expecting huge crowds for a charity soccer game happening with this -- within sort of a mile of this area. a massive, massive operation here. lots of people to keep safe. they've essentially flooded this area with police. manchester police and police from outside of the area. you really do notice that here today, thomas.
there are police on horseback and police who are heavily armed and just i've seen hundreds of police on the streets, mingling with the crowds being carried around in vans and so on and so forth. the police presence is really very visible. in addition to that, they've asked people not to bring bags. they've told people that they will be very thoroughly searched and asked people to come well ahead of time to make sure they can get in. it's now an hour and a half before this concert kicks off and there are huge amounts of people lining up getting ready to go in. a lot of people we've spoken to are a little nervous and anxious given what happened in london last night. one young fan told me her friends had to talk her into coming to the second concert. she was at the first. and then when london happened last night she burst into tears and said she's not going. then her friends talked her into it again. and she is here today. she said she wanted to come because she -- a lot of people
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mingling and mixing in london having a good time and stop us voting on thursday in the general elections and enjoy the democracy that we have. we can't allow them to do that. nor are we going to let them win. >> so joining me now is atlanta's mayor kasim reed. how concerned about the attack in the uk and whether they can inspire attacks here? we're 21 years past what happened in atlanta for centennial olympic park. what are your major concerns today? >> well, i think since the paris attacks, every mayor in america and around the world has to be concerned about the kinds of attacks that we have seen in london. it's the reason why we've increased our police force by more than 800 police officers and it's the reason why we have changed our security protocols radically in our airports but
the bottom line is that this is what every mayor worries about every single night before they go to bed. it's what wakes you up at night and what you think about in the morning. my heart goes out to the people of london and to the mayor. i certainly understand what he's feeling right now and the most powerful thing we can all do is to take the necessary precaut n precautions and be far more aggressive, when we see something, say something and act. but we also have a duty to continue to live our lives and support other free cities and free countries around the world. >> sir, what do you think of prime minister theresa may talking about the tolerance of extremism within their culture, within their community in the uk. what do you think she's trying to specifically call out in connection to what they've had to deal with with three attacks in three months? >> candidly, thomas, i haven't heard enough about her statement to comment intelligently.
i'm going to let their leaders focus on the united kingdom right now. what's appropriate for us in the united states is to just sent our heart felt feelings, any cooperation, any assistance that we can provide. i think that is what is appropriate for the moment right now. >> we know that the president did reach out in his third tweet to theresa may about this. he retweeted a drudge report then went on a travel ban rant and then said that of course whatever the u.s. can do to help out in london and uk, we will be there. we are with you, god bless. but he also took aim at the mayor of london, one of your contemporaries saying 7 dead and 48 wounded and mayor says there's no reason to be alarmed. what do you think of the president's tactics of trying to i guess encourage the mayor to have a more hard line stance, maybe like the pm is delivering?
>> candidly i'm exhausted from being disappointed in our president. i think that the first of all dealing with a tragedy of this kind in a tweet and not following up and addressing it with a serious statement of support was wholly inappropriate. i don't think he should have attacked a mayor at a time when a mayor is managing a crisis that no mayor in the world wants to be dealing with. but the president's disappointing behavior is consistent with his behavior across the spectrum unfortunately. so i don't believe thomas that it is shocking any longer. i don't agree with it but i don't think it is my place as the mayor to comment on the prime minister of the uk's thinking without having time to digest it. i completely disagree with our president's approach and treatment of the mayor of london. >> you can be strong and be
compassionate and execute on preventive measures at the right moment and at the right time and in the right way. you can also not leak intelligence, which the prime minister of the united kingdom chastised the united states for within the last 15 days. >> correct, that was after the manchester attack two weeks ago. >> mayor, one second, i want to inform our viewers the scene we had in the box next to you, this is the white van, what police say the assailants used on the london bridge weaponizing the vehicle to hit pedestrians that were walking and fled that vehicle and went into the borough market where they were on foot, wielding knives and attacking people dining or at local bars. sir, i know you said you don't want to talk about the statements of the pm or have assumptions until you have a chance to see them fully and digest him. for our own president we have his twitter feed to go over
here. one from five hours, we must stop being politically correct and get down to the business of security of our people. if we don't get smart, it will only get worse. i also mentioned he went on a twitter rant about the travel ban and having that reinstituted saying we need to be smart and vigilant and tough. the president doesn't want us to be politically correct, right? let's not pc about this. is the president trying to invoke a domestic terrorist attack with this twitter rant, only to prove himself right? >> well, bottom line is, not being politically correct doesn't mean being misinformed or leaking intelligence that harms one of our most important allies. that's not my opinion, that's the opinion of prime minister may. what we can do right now is be strong partners. the city of atlanta and city of london, for example, have
coordinated on our video intelligence capability. as you know, thomas, the city of london has one of the most video capabilities in the world. >> cctv system. >> expanded to 8,000 cameras. the bottom line is people have no idea the intense work being done by law enforcement as we speak. the way to handle a matter of this kind is not through the form of tweet, it's form of leader to leader, direct conversations often handled in a confidentiality manner. >> what it comes to the situation we're going through right now, is only on the heels of what the president did with removing us from the paris accord saying we were getting out of it. but as you say, the atlanta has a direct relationship with london. you want to have a direct relationship with the world from georgia's perspective, atlanta's perspective on climate change.
how do you do that? >> you do it through action. what you're going to see through the global covenants of mayors and other organizations like that is much more coordinated action. for example, in owners who said we're going to reduce energy use by 2020. we reduced our water consumption, for example, by 20%. we set a 2025 goal of being 100% renewable and relying on clean energy, so all of these things cities can act decisively. if the cities in the united states, china, and europe act decisively, we can still reduce co2 emissions between 25% to 38% without the cooperation of the trump administration, which is still not functioning properly, because the large amount of vacancies that run throughout the government. so our message to everyone who cares about climate, who cares about cooling their planet, who cares about reducing co2 emissions is to act faster, be
more passionate, because the federal government already is acting in a swift manner as we speak, so this is the moment for us to come together and coordinate and go to scale faster. >> mr. mayor, thank you so much, appreciate your time. >> thomas, thank you for having me. >> any time. come back, sir. the details looking at the live images, the van used on the attack on the london bridge. we're back in a moment. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them.
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all right, so let's give you a live look at what we're witnessing. it's almost 6:00 p.m. in london, but there is the white van, this van with three assailants inside. veered off the london bridge, using it as a weapon last night. then they jumped out of the vehicle in the borough market and started attacking people with knives. the three assailants were neutralized. today we have 12 people arrested in connection with the deaths and the injuries that happened
overnight. and we have the president, who has come out on twitter talking about what happened in london, but also what that means for us here at home, saying that we need to re-examine what happened with the travel ban and say that we need to be smart, vigilant, and tough, we need the courts to give us back our rights and we need the travel ban as an extra level of safety. more tweets, but i want to bring in republican strategist susan del percio and howard dean, msnbc contributor. so, susan, the retweet by the president, then a rant about the travel ban, then condolences and support to the uk. that was the order of our president. was that appropriate? >> absolutely not, and i find myself saying that every week, if he would stop with the one and only appropriate tweet, he would be okay. he should have offered his condolences saying the united states stands with the united kingdom and london and they wish our sincere condolences. i don't know -- to keep going on
like that is beyond inappropriate, especially going after the mayor of london, which was just factually wrong in what he was responding to. >> sadik khan, who is a muslim and the mayor of london and he was trying to give an update to people and said that at the end of one of his statement that is he wanted people in london not to be alarmed, no reason to be alarmed. >> not to be alarmed by an additional police presence. >> correct. >> which is exactly, by the way, what we have in new york city as a result of this attack, is that they heightened security. you see more police on the streets. it's very common to criticize the mayor for doing the exact protocol that's required of any big city mayor is just shocking. >> we don't know more about the three suspects, howard, but we do know that the president found that inappropriate of the mayor and went after him saying at least seven dead and 48 wounded and the mayor of london says there's no reason to be alarmed and he also said we have to quit being politically correct, get down to the business of security for our people.
i asked this of mayor reid, but seems like the president is trying to provoke something that he can politicize more for his own gain in america. do you feel that way? >> i just think he's -- well, i think he's totally incompetent, but there's a couple of things that i think are good about this. i think what happened this week when he said no to the paris climate change and a number of states and mayors have said we're not with this president and we believe that he doesn't represent the united states, and we're going to go ahead with the climate change protocols. that is very, very important. i think this is, again, this re-enforces it. we're not with the president on this. the president doesn't represent americans. americans aren't like this. and americans don't take mayors of cities that have just had 48 people wounded by terrorists to task. we support the mayor. so the president will speak for himself. he doesn't speak for me.
he doesn't speak for most americans. i, like khaseem reed, i'm tired of this crap. let him do what he wants. he's not the president of what the american dream stands for. he's not the president of the greatest nation on the face of the earth. he can be his own president and get whatever he wants out of that. we'll speak for america. he can speak for whoever he wants. >> well, we know he was elected by the people of pittsburgh, not paris. >> he is, in fact, our president. whether you like it or not, he is our president. >> not mine. >> yes, he is, in fact, your president, howard. you may not want him to be, but he is your president. he is the duly elected president of the united states of america and you are an american citizen. >> he's a duly elected president but doesn't represent me. >> fine, but he is, in fact, your president. >> all right. that is technically, technically okay and howard doesn't have to accept it, but technically we'll leave it there. susan, howard, thanks so much. coming up at the top of the hour, more from the scene in london. we have new reports and fresh details. how authorities have arrested about a dozen people in
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