we think of them as representative so and so. these are people playing a game. good way to view how our government works. >> probably worked better if we did more of this. sounds like everyone is in agreement on that point. thank you so much to my panel. that does it for our hour. i am nicole wallace. hi, nicole. >> there's a parade in oakland now. >> a parade. glad to see it is in oakland. sorry they don't like oakland so well they want to move to san francisco. >> you know, you're not a good loser is all i'm saying. >> i'm a terrible loser. >> it is a guy thing. >> fair enough. it is mueller time. tonight, investigating for possible obstruction of justice as we learn more about mr. trump's questioning of all
of the evidence. >> it is not a witch-hunt, no. i think he's got a job to do. >> clearly he's flirting with obstruction of justice. >> plus congressman steve alise, still in critical condition after yesterday's shooting. a nation still shocked but briefly united. >> steve in his own way may have brought some unity to our long divided country. >> senator jeff link joins us live ahead of tonight's congressional baseball game. what virginia's primaries this week tell us about which party will win and about the national mood more than a year before mid terms. this is mtp daily and it starts now. >> good evening, i am chuck todd in washington. welcome to mtp daily. we begin offering prayers for speedy recovery of republican congressman steve scalise, remains in critical condition after yesterday's horrific shooting while practicing with his colleagues for tonight's
congressional baseball game which will be played as scheduled. we're expecting to hear from a close friend, congressman richmond. he was just at the hospital where scalise is being treated. we'll bring you his remarks as soon as we see them. the incident put our toxic political climate into focus and there's hope it gets better but the prospects are daunting. the latest political bombshell reverberating through the capitol is strong evidence toxic politics might get worse before they can get better. former senior intelligence official tells nbc news, special counsel bob mueller is indeed investigating president trump for possible crime of obstruction of justice. this confirms reports in "the washington post" and "the wall street journal," and comes one week after ousted director james comey testified he was directed to drop investigation into
russia, the michael flynn part. mueller wants to talk to director of national intelligence, dan coats and national security agency chief admiral mike rogers and one of his former deputies. nbc news and others reported that coats and rogers refused the president's request to publicly clear him and his campaign of colluding with russia. perhaps bigger news if possible is president trump reportedly questioned the intelligence community assessment that russia interferes in the 2016 election. going to pause here. we have senator richmond, going to get to him, get an update on congressman scalise. let's go there now. >> just a little history on it, the game has been in existence for over 100 years and in times of war, we would not play but for the most part well over 50 baseball games. if i'm correct, democrats have the lead. since i have been here, it was steve and i's chance to go after
each other on the field. he handed out bats to his team, fancy, louisiana made red bats. because the republicans would never pitch to me in a game, i actually took his fancy red bat to the plate with me because they were going to walk me anyway. i remember him screaming from the dugout that bat was expensive and it is not to be used in a game. i said to beat republicans we don't need to use it. but after yesterday's incident, it really put a different spotlight on the game. one of the areas where republicans and democrats come together for a good cause, boys and girls club, the literacy project, and now the nationals baseball academy which is similar to urban youth academy in new orleans. i will tell you that we will miss steve on the field but steve has a long fight ahead of
him and the good thing is i know steve and i know that he is a fighter and whether that fight is for the next two weeks, two months, two years, we know he will fight all the way to the end. when we got the news of the shooting through republican baseball practice, we were at our democratic baseball practice and i was there with my three-year-old and joe barden who coaches the republicans was at the republican practice with his ten-year-old. and just reminds you that we signed up for this as elected officials and we put ourselves out there so that we could do what we call public service to contribute back to the country. reminds you our families didn't. as i thought about steve's wife jennifer and his two children,
it reminds you that they didn't sign up for this. but the other point tells us we have a real mental health crisis in this country, and whether it is the rhetoric or a bunch of other things, this is not the country that -- we know it is not the country we sacrificed to make a more perfect union. this country is probably on the verge of going backwards in terms of peace and tranquility and all those things, but nevertheless we will continue with the game tonight. >> senator richmond giving a limited update i think on the congressman's fight here medically, totally understandable, keeping a lot of that private as you would understand and of course talking about the history of the game itself there. any other additional information he provides, we will bring it to you as well. let's go back to the other
big news of today, that was president trump reportedly went to the nsa and qstned the intelligence community's assessment that russia interfered in the 2016 election and did so in a phone call with admiral mike rogers. the call appeared to raise concerns at the nsa because it was documented in a memo by rogers' deputy director. "the wall street journal" reports during the call the president questioned veracity of the intelligence community judgment that russia interfered with the election and then tried to persuade mr. rogers to say there was no evidence of collusion between his campaign and russian officials. obviously none of that has happened publicly. admiral rogers hasn't done that. reporting raises serious questions. did mr. trump want them to walk back the intelligence? speak with one of the reporters in a moment. the outside counsel responded to the news by weirdly not denying
that fact that there's investigation into obstruction of justice. the lawyer said this. fbi leak of information regarding the president is outrageous, inexcusable, illegal. the president lashed out against special counsel, called the investigation a witch-hunt again and seemed to attack mueller's team by calling them very bad and conflicted people. the president is also pushing this narrative, that part of the investigation is somehow over. quote, they made up a phony collusion with the russians story, found zero proof, now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. nice. folks, by all indications in our own reporting, the investigation into trump russia collusion hasn't been closed, if anything it has been expanded. guess what, they can walk and chew gum at the same time, ask the man that ran the investigation until last month. >> do you believe donald trump clued wi callused with russia? >> that's a question i shouldn't answer in open setting, that
will be answered by the investigation i think. >> the big picture for trup is that this investigation is metastasizing beyond what russia did. now it involves the president, former campaign manager and former national security adviser. investigators want to talk to jared kushner and the top intelligence chief, already have public testimony from the former fbi director. now that this is inside the white house, there's a lot of folks that work with the president that may find themselves called to testify to mueller's investigation, which means what? more lawyers, more people involved. let's return to the big scoop in "the wall street journal," that the president's conversation with his nsa chief wasn't just trying to convince comey to back off. paul, welcome to the show. i want to talk specifically on this phone call. we knew earlier that the president, reporting that the
president asked dan coats and mike rogers to see if they could convince comey to back down on mike michael flynn. looks like this was more than that. >> we understand after that clip we heard from james comey, after he came out and said the investigation will determine whether or not there was collusion between the campaign and russia. we understand trump did as you say contact director of national intelligence dan coats and admiral mike rogers, head of national security agency. in a phone call with mike rogers he asked that mike rogers come out and say there's no evidence so far of collusion between the campaign and russia, but also during that conversation he expressed skepticism over the intelligence community assessment that russia intervened in the 2016 election. >> i assume if he had a basis why he doesn't believe it, it would have been reported by you. do your sources not say, did the president have a rationale why he questioned the intelligence
committee on this? >> from what we understand, limited information on this, that he was sort of asking to be walked through again why it is that the intelligence community unanimously is so sure about the conclusion they came to that russia did play a role in intervening in last year's election, and that in addition to that he was trying to convince admiral rogers to come out and say publicly that there was no evidence at the present time of collusion between his campaign and russia, something he pressed with jim comey as well. >> all right. so we have jim comey meets with the president first time, decides to document every interaction. obviously nsa mike rogers felt the need to document it. is his deputy with him during the call with the president? >> from what we understand, he was privy to the call, the nsa deputy, rick ledger, career nsa employee, and he wrote memos documenting, at least one, documenting that phone call
between the president and nsa head mike rogers, and we understand that the senate intelligence committee wants to get a hold of that memo, would like to have more information from the nsa deputy, he has since retired, on what transpired in that meeting, what the president asked admiral rogers to do, and what exactly was discussed. >> this is quite a paper trail already being developed if looking to build an obstruction of justice case, there's suddenly comey memos and rogers memos. >> you would assume what rob erlt mueller would do is look not only at the memos that jim comey has already said he submitted to him but also look more broadly about what was the president asking other people in his administration to do and why. >> there's one person in this sort of trio you never hear about. we know the president apparently asked dan coats to do something, we know the president asked mike rogers to do something. it is hard to believe he didn't make a similar request to mike
pompeo to the cia, yet he has stayed out of this reporting. >> i believe it has been reported that mike pompeo was in the meeting with dan coats, where that was mentioned. i think the reporting said that -- >> it is inevitable, they brought up coats and rogers, it is inevitable that a similar request was made of pompeo, at some point he will be brought forward as well. >> i haven't seen reporting on that, but we know he was in the room with dan coats. >> another advancement in the story. thanks very much. with the president under investigation for possible obstruction of justice, worth noting mr. trump's closing argument in the 2016 election was that his fa was that his foe would be the subject of endless investigations. >> hillary is likely to be under investigation for many years, probably concluding in a criminal trial.
the work of government would grind to a halt if she were ever elected. she will be in court for her entire tenure. hillary has engaged in a criminal massive enterprise and coverups, like probably nobody ever before. if she were to win, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial. honestly, look, it is going to be virtually impossible for her to govern. the investigations into her crimes will go on for a long, long time. >> a little more breaking news here. nbc news just confirmed that vice president mike pence has hired his own outside counsel to handle anything having to do with russia. let's bring in tonight's panel, jennifer palmieri, and matthew
couldn't net ee, editor in chief with washington free beacon. the president went on an unusual afternoon tweet storm. usually there's either morning or the evening, but this afternoon, and it is all mueller related. tweet number one at 3:43 eastern time. why is it that hillary clinton's family and dems dealings with russia are not looked at but my nondealings are? 3:56. crooked h destroyed phones with hammer, bleached e-mails, and husband meet with ag days before she was cleared and they talk about obstruction. matthew, i want to give you a little insight what i thought today, how much focus on russia, how much focus on the tragedy that happened yesterday and this fight that steve scalise is clearly fighting for his life here, and the president decided to make sure the focus went right back on russia. >> i think "the washington post"
decided. >> no doubt. >> they say yes, the president is under investigation. >> do you know it is a mueller leak? >> someone close to the investigation. >> fair enough. i did say that for all our favorite -- >> president trump playing to form, art of the deal, never let the critics get a shot without firing back. so he's firing back. we're moving from a reality tv presidency into court tv presidency. so all the shows on hln about legal battles with attorneys and what's unusual is this is the subject of the investigation inserting himself but i think it is a picture of our future. >> jen, a lot of folks on the right who are not yet -- they're very skeptical of the president but not yet to jump on him. noting hey, there's nothing wrong with donald trump borrowing a page from the clinton play book, aggressively
go after special counsel, the more partisan the special counsel feels in the atmosphere, the less some of the hits sting. is that a clinton strategy? is that a fair reading of what the clinton strategy was in the late '90s? >> i think that it is true it was partisan but that's because it was partisan because the underlying matter wasn't a matter of national security the way that this underlying matter is, which is about russia trying to influence the election. but i think a difference between the clinton strategy and this strategy is in my day, in the clinton white house, people like me got out of the way, you did what lawyers said was in the best interest of protecting the president and making sure that you were not putting them in legal jeopardy. he has a lawyer that lets the client drive the strategy, putting himself in more jeopardy. >> i think is he letting him drive the strategy or is this what donald trump does, as
someone watching as the nation has watched him, this is what you expect donald trump to do when he feels backed into a corner, when he thinks of himself as being under investigation, you think of when he fired james comey, he told him he wasn't under investigation, then by his own behavior, went on tv and said he fired james comey because of the russia thing, that brought on another investigation. you also have the president feeling the heat in a way he hadn't before. >> we are at a point, now the vice president felt like he needed outside counsel. you would assume rod rosenstein and jeff sessions may feel they need outside counsel if dealing, they may already have it. you have to have anybody that may have been in the room with the president making these directives to the nsa, this is how an investigation paralyzes the white house. >> why many republicans didn't want special counsel appointed in the first place because whether it is in the clinton
presidency, reagan presidency, george h.w. bush presidency or george w. bush presidency, once you have a prosecutor with very little oversight and a lot of resources, these investigations take on a life of their own. we face years of the president and his team being dogged by a roving investigator. >> trump is doing his best to accelerate the process. may not take years. >> that's the head scratcher. >> even in the last week, it has accelerated. i thought this lawyer statement last week was really reckless, but now you have -- there's three big developments in the last day, i would say the horrible shooting, that seems to have sobered up the hill in general, including republicans. you have news of obstruction of justice investigation. and then you see why do we know about what's happened at the nsa, why do we know the nsa turned president trump's request down. people are coming out to protect their own reputation, and this
seems to be gathering. >> in an odd way, the more the president puts pressure on folks to help him, the more they seem like i better document everything. >> yeah. >> in some ways you think that if he is putting pressure on people, people understand that at the end of the day, donald trump is going to be loyal to himself. james comey learned that, people around him, chris christie, people around him at certain points for certain reasons and were then used for all they could be used for and thrown out of the white house, and i think people understand that. that's the reason why james comey started to take notes as soon as he met with him, his gut told him he wanted to document that. >> michastick around. amid all of the news, one story we haven't had much time to discuss, the big primaries in virginia and what they could tell us about the national political movement. we'll have that later in the show. life beautiful detail.
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former chair ed gillespie barely survived challenge from corey stewart who made the confederate monument preservation part of the campaign. for the democrats and republicans, for now the political center held. the big take away from this, virginia doesn't look like a purple state. over 175,000 more ballots cast on the democratic side versus what we saw on the republican side. boy, some of the turnout in northern virginia for republicans had to be alarming. we're joined by the expert on virginia politics, larry sabado. expert on virginia politics. i know it is the expert, you're the director of the center for politics at university of virginia, and keeper of the sabado crystal ball. good to see you, sir. >> nice to see you, chuck, thank you. >> so let's start big picture here. it seems that the running theory
why northam had an easier time, that race called so quickly and gillespie didn't was essentially call them former tom davis constituents in a former moderate republican from fair fax county that basically the remainder northern virginia republicans said i'm picking a democratic ballot. do you buy it? >> that was part. no, not really, that was part of it, this was much bigger than that, chuck, you and i have been around politics a long time. people underestimate even in this era the impact that local officials can have on elections. and ralph northam cleaned up. he had the entire democratic delegation in both houses of general assembly, all but one congressman, the governor, two u.s. senators, they produced for him. it made a big difference.
perry endorsements came from primarily outside the state. that's interesting but doesn't influence virginia voters much. >> what do you -- that's fine on the northam side, particularly when you look at african-american turnout. but let's talk about the republican turnout, what it looked like. i guess what's surprising to me is how close gillespie and stewart were in northern virginia and to me that was evidence that said huh. that means whatever republicans were here, they weren't as moderate as we know they normally are. >> the republican party in virginia just like nationally has moved further and further to the right. and virginia is especially now a moderate state. you called it blue, i call it purple with a blue tinge. look, the republican base now is owned in part, probably large part, by the trumpians,
supported trump. he carried the primary in virginia and the rest of the republicans, if they're moderates, they either don't participate in party primaries or are voting democratic in the fall. >> larry, i remember a bit of debate whether the republicans should pick the nominee via primary or convention. convention didn't work so hot the last time, i think there was a push for primary. had there been a convention, would we be talking about republican nominee corey stewart? >> it is very possible because as conservative as the primary electorate was on the republican side, a convention would have been a distilled group of very conservative individuals, probably with many of the localities in caucuses and conventions overwhelmed by people who like corey stewart because of his confederate issue or strong anti-immigration stance, which by the way, those stances are not popular at all
statewide in virginia, they're going to boomerang on republicans in the fall. >> here's another thing that i think a lot of virginians have to get used to, this is going to feel more nationalized than any gubernatorial race we have seen in a while, rather than national folks covering local issues in the virginia race because it is the only game in town, that the virginia candidates are going to go national. is that how you expect fall to play out? >> i think that will be a big part of it. there will be some state issues, but look, on the democratic side, why wouldn't you go national. donald trump is in the mid-30s in virginia. he is deeply unpopular with the general electorate. a democrat would be crazy not to focus on trump, northam focused on trump, and it will continue all the way to november. >> how does gillespie walk the line? >> well, you know, good luck to him. lot of things can happen between now and november. he will have tons of money, the
republican governors association is usually better funded than the democratic counter part. as you said, there's no place else to go. new jersey is a gim ee for the democrats. i think the rga will pump money into virginia, it will turn very negative, which the democratic primary was not, this is a unified party. the republicans are divided but not the democrats. >> that was fascinating, all that money on the democratic side and they did not go after each other. larry sabado, the expert on virginia politics. always good to see you. like the ohio state university, call it the university of virginia, the larry sabado. senator jeff flake who was on the field yesterday when the shooting happened joins me in a few minutes from the congressional baseball game. we're going to talk to him, so keep it here. ...it starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time
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welcome back to mtp daily. will anything change after yesterday's horrific baseball practice shooting or will we continue down the path of toxic politics where each side hunkers down in separate corners in an echo chamber of their own beliefs. since the shooting, members on both sides of the aisle are talking about tempering of the red hot rhetoric we have all grown accustomed to. they went to the top of the party to help lead the way. >> will republicans do you think and should republicans do you think expect more from president trump in the days moving forward? >> well, of course, i would like to see the president stay off twitter.
i think we have to step up, assume a leadership role and get away from personalization of politics. >> i think when you look at the overall tone of politics in this country, everybody shares the blame, including the president of the united states and his campaign tone. >> i would argue the president is at least partially, not in any way totally, but partially to blame for demons that have been unleash. >> to remind you, all those voices you heard were republican voices from capitol hill. joining us from nationals park, the site of tonight's congressional baseball game, senator jeff flake who was on the ball field when the shooting happened. thanks for coming on, sir. >> thanks for having me on. >> you saw congressman scalise today. share what you can, share what you're comfortable telling us about his condition and status. i know they want some privacy for the family. >> i wasn't there today at the hospital. cheryl and i were there yesterday evening and met with the family. but the condition as i
understand it today is as the doctors described it last night, significant challenges ahead but obviously he is doing the best he can and the doctors are as well. he is in critical condition. we all are praying that he will pull through. >> you have been -- you tried to stand out as somebody who will tam p down rhetoric, you have done it frankly for the last two years. possibly at a political peril to yourself at times in your own state of arizona. do you have -- you always have hope, you're a pretty optimistic guy, but be realistic with me, how do you sustain the feelings that everybody does have now in that stadium, on capitol hill where there's a sense of we've got to sober up as two political parties. >> you're right. we have seen this kind of thing happen in the past, we do better for a few weeks, then we're back
to normal. i hope that the new normal is not here to stay. i've got to think, and i wouldn't continue in this profession if i didn't believe that we can do better and will do better. there will be a time i believe where most americans will reject this kind of politics and personal destruction, just the awful rhetoric that both parties employ. i have to think there will be rejection of it at some point. i hope that's now. >> i have to say this morning and early this afternoon we heard from a parade of republicans, you just may have heard some clips, mark sanford, john thune, and they all had a similar notion, they would like the president to do more. part of doing more is doing something less, tweeting. and within an hour ago, sir, he went off on a tangent on the investigation. why do you think the president does not heed all of your calls. you all politely ask him not to
do this. do you have to stop being polite? >> no, i think that's the only thing we can do, lead by example frankly. we've got to do the same, tone down the rhetoric in the language we use and i do hope the president will do the same. we saw a campaign where on all sides it was frankly pretty ugly and we've got to change it. i hope the president will lead and i hope that we will in congress as well. there's a lot that we can do. we have to stop ascribing the worst motives to our opponents and debate ideas, it sounds simple, we always say that, but we've got to do it and discipline ourselves. if we will, i believe that the public will be with us and that they'll demand that of others so i hope that's what we'll do. >> when you say you want the president to lead, is there something you think he could do that would maybe be a positive jolt to the system?
>> well, things that he could stop doing, you know, referring to others in the other party as losers or using other language that just isn't becoming. it's done on our side as well, and certainly the president's opponents use that kind of language as well going after him, and i think they ought to stop that, but i think as president of the united states you share or you have a unique ability to reach the public and to say hey, this point forward we're going to change and i'm going to change. i think that would be welcomed and i think it would rub off all down the line. i hope that it happens. >> you know, when we originally scheduled this interview, we scheduled it a few days ago, people might not know, we were going to talk cuba. i know the president is going to make major changes in our relationship, u.s. relationship with cuba. something you're not for.
is there majority support in the senate and house to push back against some of the president's changes? >> i can only speak for the senate. we have a bill to lift the travel ban completely, to have no restrictions at all. that has 55 co-sponsors. if it came to a vote on the senate floor, i am convinced we would be between 65 and 70 votes in favor of that. if what the president is talking about diminishes the rights of americans to travel to cuba and rolls back on freedoms they now enjoy to travel to cuba, i don't think that's good for americans and it is not good for the cuban people either, so i hope what the president is rolling out, and we're hearing different things, different assessment of what is in this package, but if it diminishes the freedom that americans have to travel to cuba, it will not be good for americans or cubans. >> is your issue that mitch mcconnell, john thune, john cornyn, do they want this enough that they're willing to put it on the floor?
>> i don't know. i'm certainly going to try to use every vehicle i can, usually that's during the appropriations process where it is a more open process to get a vote like this to the floor. so we'll try but i hope that the administration will simply say hey, let's do what works, what is good for the population of cubans that has enjoyed new freedoms, particularly to be entrepreneurs because of more american travel and more remittances to the island. that's been a good thing for the freedom of cubans, not a bad thing. >> all right. senator flake, go out there, have a good time. i know everybody is going to be -- you have a few more eyeballs on you guys today. >> pressure is really on. >> little more pressure. >> i think there's one person we're all rooting for, steve scalise. senator, thanks very much. >> you bet, we all are. thank you. >> you got it. we'll be right back. rer. where you can compare multiple quote options online and choose what's right for you. woah.
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doors, out of public view. >> written behind closed doors without input from anyone in an effort to jam it past not only the senate but the american people. >> there's no conversation and no one knows what's in this bill but one senator. >> then there's this, using the budget reconciliation process in the senate would limit debate to 20 hours and restrict ability of senators to amend a proposal intended to steer one-sixth of our economy another direction. it would be a disservice to the people in our nation. that was by senator orrin hatch. you probably figured out these are republicans criticizing how democrats put together obamacare. hypocrisy is no stranger to capitol hill. democrats have the capacity to be engaged today in actions that outraged them yesterday. perhaps republicans owe us more than secret meetings about an issue that effects millions simply because they don't want to hear a little criticism.
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time for the lid. our panel is back. jennifer, michelle, matthew. you wrote a story today i thought was a very -- it turned out to be more provocative than it was intended to be if you follow you on social media. it was a very sober look at this is a challenge for the sanders movement. challenge not only for bernie sanders politician and national political leader, by the way the most popular elected official in the country if you just look at it by poll numbers. but it's a real challenge for him because here is somebody ascribed to be a bernie guy, a bernie-crat who took matters into his own hands. >> it's a tough test because very quickly there were conservatives going after progressives saying, look, this is the kind of decisions you're making, the rhetoric you're
using is really helping people and motivating people to then take this into their hands. i should say of course bernie sanders and his followers are someone who spent more than years with them now. they are very peaceful people. he's always been talking about a peaceful political revolution. his language is correct critical and very pointed. >> apocalyptic at times, just like trump. >> when you think about the time -- >> apocalyptic. >> saturday he called trump perhaps one of the most dangerous and worst presidents in history. that got a lot of angry progressives saying, why would you say that at this moment? that's the language he uses. bernie sanders of course he's popular because of his policies. he's also popular because he's off the cuff and people feel he says things plainly and aggressively. there are now a lot of progressives i've been talking to this is a moment we've been trying to figure out what is our role. >> he doesn't say lock her up.
it's the darkest presidency we've had. >> this is about senator sanders. the clinton campaign was not happy with how bernie's supporters and sanders would try to tell them to stop that language. their campaign was not happy a. we had a lot of virtual aggression at a minimum, and, you know, just aggression. it's not pleasant what it is. there was a lot of ugliness. and i think when this happens in not necessarily your name, but when it happens on the left, when violence is done and it's done by somebody who has political motivations, there is more of an impetus on you to speak against it. i think the president is driving a lot of violence and connecting that to politics and that is a very dangerous thing. but when it happens this way, i think it is incumbent on the left to be more aggressive in calling it out. senator sanders has to decide what that means for him, but i
do think that is an important moment. >> how would you say he's handled himself so far? >> bernie was quick to come out and denounce himself from the activity. he's not having a very good time right now. his candidate lost in montana. he has this to deal with. the democrats are going to -- if they win in georgia next week, he refuses to endorse because his centrist. this adds to his burden as he does it. for the most popular politician in america he's not having a very good few weeks. >> and i think that while senator sanders is, of course, he shouldn't be blamed for this. it's kind of plain to say of course not. he's not inside of this violence. he's never even come close to saying you should be violent. there is that language that i think is happened on the left. she say we're not as bad as the trump supporters. the trump supporters is punching people. all we're doing is being mean to people. we're not physically hurting people. there is a middle point there where you say, okay, you might not be as bad as the person you
think is the worst but you have to look in the mirror and say whags yo what is your role. >> when clinton speaks about people who have legitimate grievances seek peace. the race to the bottom of behaving like trump supporters. >> words is what separates us from the rest of the world or it used to. jennifer, yamish, matthew, thank you. a dubious distinction for the current governor of new jersey. in these turbulent times, do you focus on today's headwinds?
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well, in case you missed it, new jersey governor chris christie is very dloes making history tonight and not for the right reason. new poll from the quinnipiac rating, his poll rating is 15% in new jersey. let me repeat that, 15, 1-5. he's one of few republican statewide office holders less popular in president trump in their state. we think there is maybe one other. kansas governor brown back considering his own party threw him under the bus for taxes. president trump has an approval rating in new jersey of 28%, it is twice as high as christie's. it's an atrocious christie number that got us thinking this. how low can a governor's rating go? quinnipiac said this is the lowest number for any governor in any state for 20 years. but quinnipiac doesn't poll in 50 states. it's from a state you might
guess, illinois. he was convicted and sentenced to 14 years in prison. he hit as low as 7% in the poll from the glenn group. there you go, some good news for governor christie there. at least you're in double digits. if you can think of another we'll correct it. we'll be back tomorrow with more ntp daily. for the record with greta starts right now. it's yours. >> thank you, chuck. and we have breaking news. vice-president mike pence just hired a lawyer. outside counsel to deal with the russia probe. now, this news is reported by the washington post now confirmed by nbc. the vice-president's office telling nbc the vice-president is focused entirely on his duties and promoting the president's agenda and looks forward to a swift conclusion of this matter. with me ashley parker, white house reporter for the washington post who broke the story. ashley, thank you for joining me. ashley, that is a good p.r. statement. we're happy to have this come to ui