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national magazines. some may seem liberal biassed and the economists on the right often does reflect international. the largest in boston were some 40,000 people gathered and 33 people were arrested for mostly disorderly misconduct. mr. trump chose to be the president over red america over the country healing. democrats have it easy. their voters expect them to criticize this president. the elected leadership are desperate to criticize but quietly waiting for permission slip for voter to speak out. all of this for another typical week for president trump both sides now to the bannon's white house exit.
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>> days after the president would not commit to keeping him on. >> mr. bannon came on very late. i went through 17 senators and governors and i won all the primaries. >> steve bannon is out. captured on the cover of "time" magazine and "saturday night live" where bannon was the puppeteer pulling the president's string. >> and casualty of the fight he started inside the white house. now, bannon tells the weekly standard, the trump's presidency that we fought for and won is over. i feel jacked up and now i am free.
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i got my hands back onto my weapon. that weapon, bannon is back on breitbart. many believes that president trump and not steve bannon is the problem. >> the president has not yet able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. he also recently have not demonstrated that he understand the character of this nation. >> what we want to see from our president is clarity and moral authority. moral authority compromised when tuesday happened. this after trump blamed both sides. they came at each other with club and vicious. you had many people in that group other than neo nazis and white nationalists. >> former mitt romney called for
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the president to apologize. mr. trump's response should not be a surprise. a year ago, bannon was brought into where i a campaign that was flaring after mr. trump refused to stop attack a muslim gold father. >> i was viciously attacked on the democratic national convention stage by mr. khan and i responded. 18 months ago, mr. trump failed to confront white nationalists on the campaign trail >> i don't know anything about what you are talking about white supremacy or white supremacists. six years ago, mr. trump launched his career with the false claim that the first african-american president was not born in the united states. >> you are not allowed to be a president if you are not born in this state >> the white house
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was unable to unwilling to provide a guest right down in the press secretary. one republican who is willing to talk is jc watt. thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me back. >> why is it easy for you to come out. you are here this morning. why do you think so many of your former colleagues who currently are the leaders of the republican party are hesitant? >> well, chuck, i said earlier in the week that i am not concerned of what others are thinking or what they are saying. my conscious would not allow me to keep quiet and when i was
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asked, my thoughts on this issue, i chose to speak out simply because i think all presidents have what we call and what i call right now moments and everybody, republicans and democrats and every president is going to have a right now moment. i think president trump had a right now moment last weekend and i don't think he responded the right way. reverend martin luther king say, i am an air to rope, fire and murder. he said i am not angry about that. i am not ashamed of that. i am ashamed at those that would be so inhumane that they would do that to other human beings. when circumstances like last weekend happened, i think we need more clarity, a president speaks for himself or his values and those right now moments and he speaks for the values of our country and you saw the exodus and many people replies, those are not our values of the country.
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we have someone from the president faith council that resigned. reverend bernard out in new york. i am quite disappointed. chuck, we did not have more on the faith council to resign or at least speak out and so i just felt like when you ask me, would i? >> i said that i would be delighted and come and share my thoughts. >> let me ask you this, it sounded like you think the president lost moral authority, how does he regain it?
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>> well, chuck, i think any president always has to have multiple advisers in council. i think that's important. not only should you have them, you should listen to them and when i don't know anyone in a circle would be able to say to him, mr. president, when it comes to civil rights and race issues, let me give you some hindsights and some insights and foresights on these issues. the last several months, he has more than one right now moment. when you continue to give the impression that you don't understand of being the president of the world. those are the values of your country. people around the world takes note. >> it feels like the party is stuck politically.
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we are a little bit stuck as a country. what you are saying o f the president and you are not alone and being concerned about this. how do we get unstuck or repudiate in his comment or some people misheard him to be generous. >> chuck, one thing i will agree with president trump is this. the racial divide did not just happen when donald trump got elected.
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they did not just happen when president obama got elected. they were heightened and intensified over president obama and it carried over the trump's administration. jc watts as an elected official and a leader if you will and president obama or president trump, we all have obligation as leaders to not put salt in the wounds and bring a decency and respect to the wound. when you have people like my 2-year-old granddaughter because of her skin color would say she should be eradicated or on the face of earth. we don't want to live in harmony with her. chuck, she does not know those people. when any of us speak to the side of evil or we maybe intentionally given the impression that we are siding with the evil -- >> that's a tough ditch to get out of. >> if you are serving in congress and you are in leadership, how would you handle president trump right now.
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>> would you try to work with him? if he does not repudiate, would you have this uncomfortable distance from him? >> what's your advice to paul ryan and mitch mcconnell to these folks? >> first of all, there is opportunities to use your words to repudiate the president over the last seven or eight months and obviously, during the campaign. he got elected so he's the president. and over the last several months, there is opportunities
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to disagree with the president on many issues and you know this is not a time for us to be afraid of being tweeted. you know this is not a time to suppress our conviction. i know a lot of those members of congress and they don't think like that. they don't think the way the white supremacists or the kkk. however, if you are silent, they wear the cap of intentionally or unintentionally, they wear the cap saying we agree with that and thank god for being sad or rand paul or john mccain or lyndsey graham. those members came out and said we totally disagree with that. that's not who we are and not the country that we live in and not the party that we want to represent. jc watts, i am going to leave it there. congressman from oklahoma, good to see you, sir. i appreciate it. >> yesterday i spoke with one of the early leaders, andrew young. he was the executive director of the southern leadership
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conference, afterwards, he was also the u.s. ambassador of the united nation. today he's chairman of the andrew young's foundation. when i spoke to him, i asked him to put of this week's in context. >> we originally redeem the soul of america from the triple evils of race, war and poverty. most of the issues we are dealing now are poverty. we still want to put everything in a racial context. the reason i feel uncomfortable condemning the plan type. they're almost the poorest of the poor. they're the forgotten americans. they have been used and abused and neglected. instead of giving them affordable healthcare, they give them jobs and they're happy. that does not make sense in today's world. they see progress in the black community and television and everywhere else.
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it is not our fault. we had a struggle from slavery but -- they're not militants, they're chicken. we never try to take advantage of anybody else. our job was not to put down white people. our job is to whip everybody up together to come so that we would learn to live together rather than perish together. >> it feels like we are in a moment where we are stuck and we are stuck for a lot of reasons. the president, you have some even said that there is a growing folks who lost his moral authority to be a healer in all
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this and to help with reconciliation of all this because of what he did. if he called you this week, how would you tell him to fix it? >> i don't know what i would say. i think he's caught in a trap. >> i don't think there is any easy answers. >> what's the trap? >> he's still politicking and thinking nationally. and so is everybody else, including those who's thinking back and blame it on the civil war hundreds of years ago. the problem that we have is we are not living in a nationalist environment. t we're not living in a nationalist environment, and that's also his problem personally, that he's -- his business is all global. his business is in a global economy and he's trying to run the country from a national economy. >> you just said you don't know
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what you'd quite -- you don't know how he can get out of his trap. so what would you say to him now if he's asking you for help? >> i don't know. but, for instance, i think that he made a mistake of thinking that living was easy and it just is not. i mean it's hell to pass a bill, it's hell to change an attitude, it's hell. almost any changes. and i tell you what, i admire his family, and i think that the thing that the president has to do is think of the american people, all of us, as his family. and i try to think of him as a potential leader not only of the united states of america, but a leader of the free world and of the enslaved world. >> you come from the nonviolence
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movement that was successful. >> yes. >> what do you say to those activists, two generations later, who think violence is the right way to do it? >> no, it's more about five generations later, and there were those who thought violence was the right way then. and they're not around. and they weren't killed by white people. they were killed by their own anger and frustration and their inability to turn down their emotions and turn on their mind. from 4 years old i was always taught -- my father used to tap me in the face to try to get me upset. if i swung back at him, he'd slap me upside my head. he'd say, see, if you start getting emotional in a fight, you're going to lose the fight. don't get mad, get smart. and that's been serving -- that's served me well. and it served me walking in the midst of the klan alone at night
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without a gun, without police protection. and the only reason i did it was the only ones that were courageous enough to go there with me and who insisted that i go were women and children. the men, you know, hide behind all kinds of militant solutions. but we have to keep our eyes on the prize. and the prize is not vengeance, not getting even, but the prize is redemption. >> by the way, i also asked mr. young about the confederate symbol debate and he said removing these symbols can sometimes be more trouble than it's worth. he even cited the georgia flag controversy in the early part of this 21st century. he said because of that, the state lost millions and millions of dollars. when we come back, the shocking video of the charlottesville violence shot by a vice news team embedded with the marchers. and throughout the broadcast we'll bring you comments from people we spoke to this week at the kentucky state fair in louisville.
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doesn't have moral authority right now. can he get it back? >> you know, i think one of the things we were talking about that you showed in your what i thought were fabulous interviews with j.c. watts, who was so bracing, and andrew young, who seemed so wise and at a grandfatherly distance, but the subtext of the questioning was has the president lost his moral authority because of the events of the past week. i thought about that, and i think the problem for him is that he did not lose his moral authority because he did not have moral authority, and you cannot lose what you do not have. the whole tale of the first seven months of his presidency was i know i'm unusual, i know i'm different, i know i have things that have been offensive to people in my past. however, i'm going to grow into this figure who is the serious,
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moral, serious guy. this was another moment in which he didn't do that. i'd also just say quickly, one of the baseline things you want from a president during a crisis is you want a calm in the storm. you want a stable center. you don't want a guy who loses his temper, starts talking like this, gets defensive, and just makes everything tear a little farther apart. >> gene. >> well, you can't lose -- to have moral authority, you have to have a moral compass. you have to have a moral center. and i've seen no evidence that donald trump has that. he flips from issue to issue, from position to position in what he probably sees as a pragmatic way. it's not pragmatic, it's disastrously amoral. and he -- you know, it was maya
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angelou who said when somebody shows you who they are, why don't you believe them. so why don't we believe that in fact there's some ugliness inside donald trump. why don't we believe that? he's shown it to us time and time again and he showed us this week. >> steve hayes, mitt romney wrote a facebook post and he said whether he intended to or not, what he communicated caused racists to rejoice, minorities to keep and the vast heart of america to oern. his apologists strain to explain what he didn't mean what we heard. but what we heard is now the reality and unless it is addressed by the as as such, it may be the unraveling out of national fabric. >> here i think is the bigger problem. donald trump is pleased with where we are at this moment. so he looks at this praise that he's gotten from david duke and he looks at the emboldenment of the white supremacists. and even if he has said, and said finally on monday that he doesn't endorse what they stand for, he looks around and by all
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accounts he's happy about this. steve bannon says this was a turning point for the presidency in a positive direction. so it's not just that the president made this mistake, it's that he's compounded the mistake by the way he's handled it since. there's no indication that he's going to do what j.c. watts has asked him to do, what mitt romney wants him to do, that he's going to say, you know what, i repudiate what i said. there shouldn't be any confusion about how i feel about these groups. he's happy with this. and for those of us who have fought the identity politics of the left for so many years, it's incredibly discouraging to see this embraced by at least part of the right, of the same odious identity politics. >> i'm going to go back with the same question i asked j.c. watts, andrew young, donna, you will start. how do we get past this moment? it feels like if he doesn't move, we're stuck. >> well, i'm not sure. i actually think that while the president may not have any moral authority, the country actually does. i think that we can see that
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over the course of this last week, the demonstrations, certainly the very moving remarks by susan bro, the mother of heather heyer, which was a call to action. that the country has a moral compass, even if its president right now does not. i believe that that is how we move past this. i mean the fact is that we have a president who started in his early days in business to the birtherism, to the campaign and now as president, he's the same president as he was the same man. and i don't think that's going to change. >> i think donna is absolutely right. i think we should no longer expect what we generally expect from presidents in moments like this. we're not going to get it from donald trump. i think -- i think of ronald reagan, for example, after the challenger disaster when he came on, that beautiful speech that you wrote for him, slip the
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bonds of earth and touch the face of god. we'll never get that from donald trump. we just won't. >> i actually don't think people really, seriously look to president trump for that. they look for a reaction, they're always curious. they look for a statement. for moral leadership, they look the way they looked in charlotte, south carolina, two years ago when that bible study group was shot up. and the great moral moment the day afterwards was during the bond hearing of the shooter, because the families of the dead showed up and showed who they were as americans and said it was heart breaking, i forgive you. i hate what you did, but i love you. >> but presidents amplify those moments and he didn't do that. >> but you know what, there are more of us who don't engage in hate than there are others, and that is our moral authority. >> yes. >> all right. that's a nice note to end on,
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but we'll be back in a moment. you guys will get into more of the politics of things here. we'll get an inside look at the men behind the march in charlottesville. it's a little tough to watch, i'm just going to warn you. >> jews will not replace us! jews will not replace us! >> i'm here to spread ideas, talk in the hopes that somebody more capable will come along and do
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welcome back. sadly, for some time the name charlottesville may be associated with last week's violence. no amount of cable tv coverage could adequately communicate the motivation, anger and fanaticism of these white supremacists who descended on charlottesville, supposedly in the name of defending a statue. but vice news, embedded correspondent ellie reeve with the marchers. we'll show you a few minutes of the documentary and bring you a discussion on whether and how to confront hate marchers. a word of warning, this is tough to watch. >> jews will not replace us! jews will not replace us! jews will not replace us! jews will not replace us! jews will not replace us! blood and soil! blood and soil! >> so when did you get into, as you said, the racial stuff?
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>> when the trayvon martin case happened, michael brown, tamir rice, every case it's a black [ bleep ] behavingi like a salv annual and he gets himself in trouble. i'm here to talk and hope somebody comes along like donald trump who does not give his daughter to a jew. >> so donald trump but like more racist. >> a lot more racist than donald trump. i don't think that you can feel about race the way i do and watch that kushner bastard walk around with that beautiful girl, okay? >> so the alt-right is very organized. they have a lot of numbers, shields, protective gear like helmets. we've seen tear gas, water bottles, [ bleep ]. >> i should pour it on my face? >> what just happened? >> they maced me. >> who? >> i don't know. communists.
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>> oh, my god. >> there are people on the ground being treated by the medics. there were people running up the street screaming and crying. there's many people on the side injured too. it's a really horrific sound. >> i'd say it was worth it. we knew that we were going to meet a lot of resistance. the fact that nobody on our side died, i'd go ahead and call that points for us. the fact that none of our people killed anybody unjustly i think is a plus for us. and i think that we showed -- we showed our rivals that we won't be cowed. >> but the car that struck a protester, that's unprovoked. >> that's not true, and you know that it's not true. you've seen the video.
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>> i've seen a video. i don't know much about it. >> i understand that you're -- >> let me describe what the video appears to show. >> okay. the video appears to show someone striking that vehicle. when these animals attacked him again and he saw no way to get away from them except to hit the gas. and sadly, because our rivals are a bunch of stupid animals who don't pay attention, they couldn't just get out of the way of his car, and some people got hurt. and that's unfortunate. >> so you think it was justified? >> i think it was more than justified. i can't believe -- the amount of restraint that our people showed out there i think was astounding. >> that was just three minutes of the full 22-minute documentary that you can see online at when we come back, is it right to physically confront the alt-right or does that merely lead to more violence of the kind we just saw? we'll have that debate. as we go to break, more from this week's kentucky state fair in louisville. >> i thought that the country had resolved a lot of these things back in 1865 or whenever
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the civil war was completed. but apparently not. >> i think people have got to stop being so thin-skinned. i think that people take fault at everything. the political correctness of the country is just getting way out wahhhh... right. in. your. stomach! watch this!... >>yikes, that ice cream was messing with you, wasn't it? try lactaid, it's real ice cream, without that annoying lactose. lactaid. it's the milk that doesn't mess with you. and i've never seen a better time to refinance your home, than this summer. why? because right now we're seeing our average customer save $20,000. but with the fed already talking about raising rates, this window will not last for long. lendingtree is the only place to compare up to 5 real refinance offers against your current mortgage - for free. are you sure you have the best rate? take 3 minutes and find out right now. because at lendingtree, when banks compete, you win.
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professor who has studied the antifa movement. they argue it's necessary to confront hate groups sometimes with force. professor bray is the author of "antifa, the anti-fascist handbook." and richard cohen is an expert in hate groups and he said direct confrontation leads to the more kind of violence we saw in charlottesville. gentlemen, welcome to you both. i'm going to try to have this sort of debatey, so mark bray, i'll start with you. you seem to be a very small minority who is defending the idea of violence, considering that somebody died in charlottesville. why do you defend confronting in a violent way. >> i think a lot of people recognize that when pushed, self-defense is a legitimate response to white supremacist and neo-nazi violence. we've tried ignoring neo-nazis in the past and seen how that turned out in the '20s and '30s. the lesson of history is you need to take it with the utmost seriousness before it's too late. we've seen the millions of deaths that have come from not taking it seriously enough and
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we can see that really the way that white supremacy grows, the way that neo-naziism grows is by becoming legitimate, becoming established, becoming everyday, family friendly, wear khakis instead of hoods. the way to stop that is what people did in boston, what people did in charlottesville. pull the emergency brake and say you can't make this normal. >> richard, why do you believe this is a mistake? >> i think it's a spectacularly bad idea to give one group of people the right to silence another group of people. it's contrary to our values embodied in the first amendment. it's likely to drive the people who are trying to censor underground where they may resort to illegal means to express themselves like bombs. and lastly, it's likely to lead to a terrible spiral. we saw that in berkeley, the antifa came and shut down a speech. the next time the white nationalists brought their own private army.
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and so where does something like that stop? yesterday in boston, you know, when we saw thousands and thousands of people peacefully protest, that seemed like a much stronger answer to white supremacy than clubs and guns. >> andy young made the point early in the show that essentially there were those in the civil rights movement that wanted to confront violently and he made the not-so-subtle reminder, they're not here anymore. >> well, there's a big difference between confronting fascism and confronting other forms of violence. we can see that during the '30s and '40s there was no public opinion to be leveraged by nonviolent resistance. if you get fascists to be powerful enough in government, they're simply not going to listen to the public opinion that nonviolence can generate. that's the argument for resistance to nazis. the other point that i'll make is a lot of people don't have the choice whether they can defend themselves or not. there were attacks on mosques, attacks on synagogues. a lot of people are under attack
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and sometimes they need to defend themselves. it's a privileged position to say that you never have to defend yourself from these kinds of monsters. >> it's not an issue of defending yourself. it's an issue of trying to silence other people. no one is saying that, you know, if you're slugged in the face that you have to sit there and take it. the question here is when white nationalists want to walk down the street, should people stop them. that's a very different issue. it's a very peculiar notion of self-defense to say you can censor people. >> some of the criticism of the antifa movement, mark, is you're actually against speech. that you want to shut down this speech and that borders on censorship. >> let's be clear that antifa are not calling on the government to censor anyone. they resist the notion of turning to the government or turning to the police who we've seen have been infiltrated by white supremacists who have been sympathetic to the return to law and order notion of fascism. so the idea is the real enemies of free speech are fascists. we've seen that historically. they're the ones that if they
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have their way will shut down speech. it also differs in the sense that anti-fascists see this as a political struggle. they don't see fascism as a difference of opinion or as kind of a different perspective to consider. instead they see fascists as the enemy. i think that we need to come around to that notion, considering there is no doubt what they have done historically. >> richard, i know the concern is that it makes martyrs out of the white supremacists. >> yes. >> and one could argue that the antifa movement helped the president make his arguments of, quote, both sides. >> sure, sure, sure. >> do you buy that? >> well, look, to some degree there was a lot of ugliness that the antifa brought there. i think they play into the hands of the white national i'ists wh say, look, we are the ones who are 'em battled. the answer to bad speech is more speech. we saw it in boston yesterday. >> we've seen that fail historically. fascism cannot be defeated through speech. charlottesville did give attention to white supremacy but it's not like your average american can name any of the
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groups that were out there. instead they were unable to do the things that we see make movements grow. embed themselves in communities, establish networks, express their message. instead we see, and i can tell you from my book, from my research, there's a lot of 'em peer cal examples of anti-fascism working and stopping these groups from growing. >> all right, i've got to leave it there. i imagine the debate doesn't stop here. thank you both for coming on, i appreciate it. coming up, donald trump won the white house with upset victories in three traditionally blue states, miss swisconsin, mn and pennsylvania. we have some brand new polling on how voters feel. >> it's hard to move forward because a lot of times the damage is done. >> there's no place in the united states for white supremacy. we are a country that's founded we are a country that's founded on
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. welcome back. we're joined on our panel now by swrul ys krien. he supported donald trump as a candidate and ands as an add video cavity this new conservative populism. so much so after the election he founded a quarterly journal. this is largely on the president's economy ig agenda. mr. krien says he can no longer stand by what he calls this dris zis disgraceful administration. well, someone was just killed in the street by a white supremacist in charlottesville. he specifically denounced the group for this violence was both morally disgusting and
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monumentally stupid. julius krien, welcome to meet press. you're splitting with him on character, obviously not on policy. he get you back? >> no. and the reason is because even though they were always directionally correct in some of the policies like trade, et cetera, in their pop later and i believe they're actually being good policies, but they never had any clue on how to go about it. and when they had a chance zo it they did the wrong things on healthcare and etsds. that's been the problem from the beginning. if you want to do things like trade vur to have allies 4r0e67b9 and in the business community and they've didn't you exact opposite of that and they've torched everybody possibility of that whatsoever. >> so charlottesville was the straw. >> it was the straw for -- i don't know how it wouldn't be the straw for everybody. >> you know, steve, this is the question hauz has always been how long can donald trump keep his core. >> right. >> here's somebody, here's julius, as idealistic as you can
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get donald trump's policies and you sent can't get him back. >> aevz preikt dd it at his own peril, everybody's done a hundred times. >> everybody at this table has done that. >> having said that, it's a moment where you have somebody lie julius distanting himself with the man we see take shots at jeff sessions for instance. some of the other bhoem agree with the kinds of policies that his publication embraces take some distance additionally from donald trump. thing to me, is that at the time when you might expect the republican party broadly to distance is telephone from donald trump, it's not. and you have some individual senators speak out about individual issues, but the core of the committee, they're embracing him even tighter and it's a perplexing moment. >> but we also notice this -- we notice this last week that the president also attacks mitch
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mcconnell, he's gone after any number of republican leaders. and to hear this week senator bob corker who has been right down there with him and to hear him also say this president has a problem with stability, then that signals to me that there's something deeper that's beginning to go on in the republican party. and i think it's tough to separate character from policy the way that you accomplish policy is by having character in the white house so that you can drive things that need to be draw attention from the left and the right. >> one thing we've always overlooked or a lot of people will have always overlooked from the trump phenomenon from the beginning and even know, however popular he is after his horrendous failure, the congressional republican and democrats are far from popular. and they're exactly right with respect to his character, but they've still been wrong about every significant policy decision for the last 25 years and that hasn't changed. and they've failed to accomplish
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any of those their own self-professed goals. and they can't move independently. >> i think why trump won. >> certainly those policy issues are very important. i think a big part of trump's base sticks with him for reasons of identity, for reasons of emotion. they're with him, they think he's with them. and to that extent, his policy failures i don't think have made a huge difference for those people. >> i don't think charlottesville will make a huge difference to a lot of those people. some of them will leave, but i think there's a core, i think we fool ourselves if they wink that that has dissolved. >> core? i feel like he just red your column. core is what he used. you refuse to call it a base. >> yes. base is here, core is here and i feel that's happening with mr. trump's supporters. one of the things i would like to say is that as sometimes senators and congressmen on the
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republican side come forward and they say interesting words and phrases in opposition to president trump, but sometimes they look a little furlttive, it's a little side interview off a fundraiser? do you know what i mean? it's badly lit and your head is down. it is time to come forward standing up straid straight with pride and disagree with what you disagree with and when you agree with something that he is doing so i'm going to support this. but make a very clear distinction about what you see publicly from the president that you don't like and what is going on in washington right now is a bill that you can support. >> yeah, steve haze i look at senator ben sasse who is on one hand probably the best columnist in the united states senate. but is that -- but there's plenty of people that are now going your words are great, but they're just words. >> well, i mean, if you're talk about his vote requiring mean. >> but i'm talking about all of the criticism. >> see, i'm not critical of people like ben says sman are i
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think he de says a ton of credit for standing up and making a moral argument about donald trump. it's an odd time for julius to be attacking republicans given what he wrote today, but i think we're missing to a certain extent a bigger phenomenon here. donald trump is running away from the republican party. republicans are trying to hold on to him desperately. he is saying to them, i'm out. i'm leaving you behind. he's purged a lot of republicans from his white house. you look to what steve bannon told my colleague peter boyer in this kweek's weekly standard, steve bannon said, i'm going to good after establishment republicans and donald trump said to him, good, i need that. and we know they have a very broad understanding of establishedment republicans that includes people like ben sasse. >> all right. i've got sneak? a quick break. back in 45 seconds. i'm going to show you those polls through the blue all straits that give donald trump the pressy, washington, michigan, and pennsylvania. what do they think the president now. crohn's disease. you're more than just a bathroom disease.
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a huge majority in all three states say donald trump's conduct as president makes them feel embarrassed rather than proud. look at those numbers. 63, 64, 64. that's a lot of trump voters in there. julius, i want to give you the first shot out of here and ask you specifically about the bannon exit. does that add to your concern that this presidency is over, as bannon told "the weekly standard"? >> i've always been fairly critical of steve bannon. even though he was directionally correct on some of the policy its, he had no idea how to do it and only made it worse. so i think he should have been gone long ago. the problem is now it's too late. >> where does this white house go? i just don't know where this white house heads next. >> well, i don't know that anybody does. i'm not sure that anybody inside the white house knows where it goes. you know, with bannon out, general kelly can organize things and direct the flow of people into and out of the oval office, but he can't control donald trump's cell phone. you know, whom he calls, what he
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tweets, and he can't control the president's instincts. >> by the way, what happens tuesday in phoenix? if he pardons arpaio at a rally in phoenix? >> i don't know. >> look, i do think, you know, he is well on his way to clarifying the 48% of americans who won't vote for him again or won't vote for republicans. the question for democrats is whether we can get to 50 plus 1, and i think we still have some work to do. >> i have to pause it here. that's all we have for today. this is one week i wish we had another hour. thanks for watching. if it's monday, enjoy the eclipse safely. we'll be back next week, because if it's sundays, it's "meet the press." you can see postgame on the mtp facebook page.
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