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puerto rico's under hurricane warning, the d.r. cuba, st. martin, saint batters, turks and kay cos and other island chains. the so-called spaghetti strands seem to suggest a u.s. impact friday night into saturday, then a turn to the north. that's why tonight a state of emergency is in effect in florida, home to 20 million people. everyone in florida is in the threat zone. there are already lines for gas, some stores started selling out of supplies this past weekend. evacuations are under way in the florida keys which can be a two to three day process. they've suspended highway tolls to help speed traffic. the keys remember stretch for 125 miles and there's one road out with a very big, very bad storm on the way. we will keep you posted. that is our broadcast for this post labor day tuesday night
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with great thanks to my and for filling in last week. thank you for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. woodrow wilson was first elected president in 1912 when he ran for reelection in 1916, one of the animating issues of that campaign was world war i which was raging in europe and which wilson promised the united states would not join in 1916 he was barely rehe electricitied and the u.s. went into the dechaired war on germany and wilson was not only facing the typical headwinds that a president's party faces in
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midterm elections, but he was also roundly dehe tested for world war i and other things. in 1918, woodrow wilson's party got beat. the republicans getting congress, that had far reaching consequences in all sorts of ways, bullt in the house it mea a gigantic and cons kwen tall promotion for albert johnson. such a generic name. actually hard to google. there was a another congressman named albert johnson who had nothing to do with him. a federal judge called albert johnson, a famous canadian fugitive. he was a back beverage congressman from washington state whose whole public profile had been built around the
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defense of the white race and the threat that nonwhite immigrants posed to white civilization in the united states. albert johnson at home in washington state ran a rabl rousing anti-immigrant newspaper called the home defendeder. he about being part of mob violence that chased immigrants out of the united states and into canada. he had been a or tore on that bet issue for decades but never we'lled any national power until alberton's republican party took over leadership of the congress. that is what made it possible for albert johnson to take real power. he became chairman of the committee on immigration and naturalization. it was his life's dream to be in charge of something with
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something like that. he did what he could with it. soon the house p representatives committee hired themselves a expert eugenics agent. albert johnson the chairman in addition to serving in congress had become the president of the eugenics research association of america and once he was chairman he brought on one of the officers from the eugenics research association, hairy laughlin, to lk a expert eugenics consult and the. two together, they got to work. in 1922, heir laughlin created this chart. you can see that's the water mark of trumen state university, they've preserved this document on line as part of their history of eugenics project. but this is a chart that harry laughlin created when he was the
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expert eugenics agent. what this chart purports to show is the relative social inadequacy of various immigrant races in the united states. that includes feeble mindedness, crime, epilepsy, tu berk loaves, blindness, deafness, eformty and dependency and the chart ranks your likelihood of being or having any of those things based on your national origin. eugenics is best understood as the sued oe science that the nazis used to kill whole pop layings as this part of this defensive plan to preserve their praj ill but superior gene pool.
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eugenics is most easily associate wd that -- it wasn't on a foreign fascination. in the 1920s we had a chief congressional eugenicist. who was using taxpayer dollars to rank the relative feeble mindedness of american immigrant on the basis of their national origin. before congressman johnson made harry laughlin the chief chairman he made a name for himself by modelling compulsory sterile i sation laws, he wanted them to forcibly nuter people as if they were animals. laughlin was frustrated with the inefficient way that states were going around that, he wrote
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model legislation, sterilize more people if their genes aren't up to it. johnson became chair of the committee in 1919. he hired this chief eugenicist for the committee in 1921. by 1922 they were publicly ranking the genetic failings of americans by their national origin. by two years after that, 1924, they had achieved what they were aiming at. by 1924, wilson was gone, calvin coolidge was in and signed a anti-immigration bill. it was jauld the johnson reed immigration. it was a eugenics bill. it was a bill to protect america from a stream of alien blood. it was a bill to stop american civilization from descending into bar barrism. that 1924 bill restricted
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immigration dramatically but in a specifically targeted way, it band immigration from asia countries all together, there was a asia exclusion zone. it targeted jews and i tall ians that were unpopular through a neat oe math trick. the formula that they put into law in 1924 limited immigrants based on national origin but in a specific way. the numbers of immigrants who would be allowed in were based on the number of people of that national origin who had made it into this country by 1890, they went all the way back to the 19th century to pick a date that decided was white enough in american history to try to bring the country back to. they used the 1890 census as their beverage mark to say if
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your people weren't here in sufficient numbers back then, you can't come now. we want the country to look the way it did in 1890 not the way it's looking swaurgty now. >> what is inarguable about that law is what's clear in the contemporaneous record of how it was argued. there was nothing subtle about it. it was a explicitly racist law. it was explicitly race based. there was no secret about that. it was openly the way the legislation was talked about and argued about. the senator who wrote the bill with albert johnson, david reed, he was quoted in the new york times saying thanks to that bill, quote, the racial composition of america is thus made permanent. another senator samd ill i son durant smith bank shot up on the senate floor to spell out why the johnson reed 1924
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immigration bill was getting his point, the point as to this march is that the time has arrived when we need to shut the door, thank god we have a america perhaps the largest percentage of any country in the world of the pure unadulterated anglo sackson stock. it is that splended stalk that i would make this a country to assimilate and perfect that slind splendid type of manhood. >> it's somewhere between embarrassing and painful to think about the fact that this is less than 100 years ago, that the united states made a explicitly you generaltivity overhaul of their -- to make america more white, to protect the white race from these genetically inferior hordes.
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i mean, we can at least be thank you that the historical record on this is so clear. so there can be no mistaking that's what it's about. anybody looking at immigration policy in this country and where we've been has to know what that was all about. that -- that really was eugenics. >> in seven years we'll have the highest personal of americans nonnative born since the founding of the republic. and some people think well we've always had these numbers. but it's not so. this is very unusual. it's a radical change. and in fact, when the numbers reached about this high in 1924, the president and congress changed the policy, and it slowed down immigration significantly. we then assimilated through the 1965 and created really the solid middle class of america with assimilated imimmigrants, and it was good for america.
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>> that 1924 change. the president and the congress changed the policy. that was good for america. that was attorney general jeff sessions speaking in october 2015 when he was still a senator speaking on brian batteitbart r. that was circled by right wing watch. picked it up again today as attorney general jeff sessions, he was sent out by the president to make the announcement that the hundreds of thousands of people who were brought to this country by their immigrant parents when they were still kids, those hundreds of thousands of people that had been given leave by the previous administration, they are now on track for deportation. nbc news confirming a set of talking points were trbted and advises people who have been living here under the daca
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program, it advises them to, quote, prepare for a departure from the united states. this affects, as you've been hearing today, directly about 800,000 people who live in the united states. by virtue of their participation in the daca program, you can generalize about this group of people to say they are people who don't have criminal records, constructively engaged in contributing to society and the military and gainful employment. we're talk about the prospects for how the trump administration plans to round these people up, including the key question of whether the information the kids provided to the government in order to join this program will now be used against them to find them, collar them, send them to countries they have never lived in as adults. it is not a accident that attorney general jeff sessions is the one that was sent out to make thisdownsment about this today t. jeff sessions has a
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long adult record on this subject. he is outspoken against legal immigration, let alone illegal immigration. for years he's been a admirer of the eugenics ban of the 1920's politics. it isn't because we couldn't see it coming because of echoes in american history, i mean, jeff sessions has always stood for this stuff, and so has donald trump. just in presidential politics, he started his campaign saying mexican immigrants were rapists and bringing crime. he proposed a ban on muslims coming into this country. he argued that a judge of mexican-american origin could
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not be a judge trump because he's a mexican, the judge is borne in indiana. trump has claimed the only reason he lost the popular voeft is because millions of undocumented immigrants voted for hillary clinton. he has issued his first pardon to a sheriff who defied a court order and continued to -- there was a court order he need to follow on the subject of racial profiling. his office opened a office of crime by criminal acts committed by immigrants. although they perform fewer crimes than done by legal immigrants. there's a lot of talk about what will happen to the 800,000
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d.r.e.a.m.ers. in terms of people turning out in the street, risking arrest, it's pretty intense. but in terms of where this came from, i mean as far as i can see, we've covered the russia stuff a lot on this show. as far as i can see, there are really only two bright throughlines for this president. in what has otherwise been a incoherent and hard to follow mish mash political ideology from him. there are only two things clear as a bell and never changing. one of them is really unprecedented, the president's strangd continued unerring saying nice things about russia. that's weird and unprecedented. but the other threeline, the other thing that is coherent and uncertain ving is vehement and tipa think toward imimmigrants.
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blaming immigrants, trying to stir up animosity and hatred toward immigrants, making them a scapegoat punishing them for sins that are not theirs. unlike the russia one, this one about immigrants, this is not unprecedented. this one taps into a deep old throughline in this country that we have seen before. and it is a history that we used to look back on with aastonishment and shame. and you look comfortable. when your v-neck looks more like a u-neck... that's when you know it's half-washed. add downy to keep your collars from stretching. unlike detergent alone, downy conditions to smooth... ...and strengthen fibers. so, don't half-wash it.
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this was 11:00 a.m. eastern time today. lot of people counting down to that hour today once it was clear what was coming. >> i want to let you know that
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it's 11:00. we just received information, it's now official. this administration just ended daca. >> no. >> no. change. change. change. change. >> change change. [[speaking foreign language]. >> we are here to stay. we are here to keep fighting. we are here to celebrate, send
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the message to the administration, pain doesn't have a place in this country. we are going to keep fighting for our d.r.e.a.m.ers. we are going to keep fighting with our community for justice. >> you can see monica perz, she works for the advocate group causea. she came to this country when she was 7 years old. she's a daca recipient. so, this was d.c. today, protestors gathered in front of the white house. they marched to the trump hotel in downtown d.c. in new york city people gathered in front of trump tower, 30 people were actually arrested. in denver c., kids walked out of their high schools, and in
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phoenix, in knew moeks co, the university of arizona in tuck son today. protests popped up all over, nashville, louisville, austin, line from the white house is that congress is now supposed to fix what the administration just did to set up for deportation. these kids who don't have criminal records, don't know any country than this one. frankly it's hard to imagine this congress having the unified will to tie its own shoes, let alone have legislation to help these kids. but it's the only thing left to be done. appreciate your time tonight. i know this is a very, very busy time. >> great to be here with you. >> let me just ask. your first reaction today. you knew as well as we did that
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this was probably coming mid morning today. how did you hear about it and how do you feel? >> rachel since the day of the election, donald trump ran a campaign committing to end the daca program. and the anxiety and fear in our community has been rising. today is a difficult day for us. my brother jonathan is one of the close to one million people that have benefited from the daca program that has allowed him to live without the fear to be deported, to go back to school, to help my family out financially because he's been able to work. and like him, thousands of young people have received the difficult news today. we are outraged at this decision, rachel. and i want to be clear about something. sessions mentioned in his speech today that this was dual about
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daca not being constitutional. what i want to be clear about is this was not a legal decision. this was a political decision. and the reality is that the president did not have to make this decision. the september 5th decline wadlia arbitrary deadline. if he wanted to do the right thing as he said in multiple interviews that he had heart for immigrant youth, if he did have the heart for immigrant youth, he did not have to make the deciding, he could have kept the program in place. but today, we know that thousands of undocumented young people and many, many allies are joining us in ensuring that we do all that we can to protect young people. i grew up undocumented, rachel and i came out as undocumented and afraid over 10 years ago. we're not going back into the
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shadows. that's the united dream we have. >> we heard news today about a legal fight in the future about various entities and even states considering bringing this matter into the courts and trying to stop it that way. beyond whatever may happen in terms of a litigation strategy, and i guess that's yet to be understood, do you expect that there will be a direct action resistance to this as well. that there's going to be direct community resistance to try to stop deportations in terms of a physical way, in terms of protest and confrontation? >> if there's anything we showed today is that not only undocumented young people in our communities but many of our allies, faith leaders, educators, business leaders that have come out from the democratic side, from the republican side. we have the majority of the country standing in favor of the
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daca program, standing in favor of undocumented young people. you showed the images of the walkout in new mexico, kochlt, what is very clear to us is we will continue to lead a direction action movement. i remember having this conversation with you a few years ago with you. it was undocumented young people who came out as undocumented and unafraid, share our stores, led sit ins, direct action, there's how we pushed president obamaa to do the right thing. we are very clear, rachel that this is -- this decision about terminating daca, it was a priority led by white supremacists in the administration, folks like miller and jeff sessions. this is one of their policy
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priorities of folks that want to drive people like me and my family and my brother out of this country. for us, the intention of the administration and those that are advising the president is clear, which is why we are ready with allies to continue to organize and to push for a permanent solution that will protect young people from deportation. >> could fender of y-- could founder. how daca came about in the first place, i absolutely remember having knows conversations with you, watching the power of direct action to make this happen. that will be the most important tool to keep it in place now. keep us apprised. >> some unexpected news. turns out one of the congressional committees involving the russia scandal has now subpoenaed the fbi. which is as weird as it sounds.
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in 1972 richard nixon was about to make history, or about to make republican history. the party had return -- in 1952 and 1956 when he won, right? as eisenhower's vice presidential running mate. the republican party had also run richard nixon for president in 1960 when he lost to kennedy, and then in 1968 when
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nixon beat humphrey. heading into the 1972 election richard nixon had already been the republican party's candidate for president or vice president four different times. so standing for reelection as president in 1972, richard nixon was due to make history. he was going to match fdr's record for being on the national ticket for his party in five different election. fdr had tooed for vice president once, for president four times, finally in 1972 nixon was going to match that record become as preeminent a figure in republican politics as fdr had been to democratic politics. so heading into the 1972 election, he wanted to make a big self-centered deal about it. specifically he wanted to hold the convention that year in southern california, where he had been born and raised.
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where he knew hi presidential library would some daye be located. the nixon white house wanted it to be a hometown thing. they picked san diego as the site of the 1972 republican convention for nixon ton that historic fifth nomination. the rnc made this public announcement that san diego is where they were going to hold their convention that year, but then they didn't do it. they also said the previous year it was going to be san diego, but three months before the convention, three months before nixon's triumphant homecoming coming, they didn't do it in san diego at all. they did it in miami beach where the democrats were holding their convention that year already. this is the last time the convention in the same city. that forced it to happen. it was a radical late changes.
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total le messed with nixon owes plan to get his moment in the sun in his home state for that historic fifth nomination. the whole they had to make the change and dump the san diego idea is because of this guy, jack anderson. he got his hands on a memo hands on a memo written by a lobbyist for the big phone company at the time, i.t.t. in the memo, the lobbyi laid out how that company, i.t.t. had made a surrepetitious deal with nixon's justice department, the justice department had been pursuing an antitrust lawsuit against itt, trying to stop that company from gobble ugh even more companies and becoming larger. conglomerate. itt did not like that legal pursuit.
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by the justifies jufts department. to try to evade that scrutiny, to try to squirm out it, they made this secret deal. the justice department would go easy, and in exchange, nixon's beloved san diego convention would get that much close tore reality, because itt would make a huge monetary donation to the convention, they donated $400,000, which in today's dollar would be a couple million dollars. >> jack anderson got that scoop, he got that internal memo from itt and he wrote about it. the whole thing just blew up, and suddenly the san diego republican convention didn't seem like such a good idea anymore. the lobbyist tried to claim the memo wasn't real, but the fbi had already authenticated it. it turned out the fbi had been pressured by the nixon white house to not authenticate it, to disprove the memo and call it a forgely, even though it wasn't. then the senate watergate community turned up an internal
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white house memo that warned that the president himself appeared to be directly involved in arranging this corrupt deal to drop that prosecution in exchange for the donation. it all just spiralled. >> attorney general elliott richardson today asked the special archibald cox to look into a government investigation of last year's controversial merger of the international telephone and telegraph company with the hartford fire insurance company. this could mean itt may be drawn into the watergate scandals >> the fbi has conducted an extensive investigation in recent weeks and come up with a great of new evidence. this evidence is being studied by a team of four lawyers working under the government special prosecutor arch cox special prosecutor. the evidence is regarded as so incriminating that a prosecution already is being planned. so the special prosecutor, who was already looking into the watergate scandal came across
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this itt thing, the other scandal, came across it in the course of the watergate investigation even though it had nothing to do with the watergate break-in or the efforts to cover that up, the special prosecutor still went after it. within the watergate investigation, the special prosecutor set up an internal task force to work on that itt thing specifically, dropping the prosecution in exchange for that donation. it was basically an offshoot investigation within the watergate special prosecution, even though it wasn't related to anything the prosecutor had originally set out to uncover. you can see the headlines here as they found out about it at the time. 1973. cox bolsters teams investigating itt. that's archibald cox bulking up the team to look for evidence in the itt scandal. of course, nixon ultimately fired the special prosecutor archibald cox, but he couldn't kill the watergate investigation just by firing people.
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eventually the watergate investigation that led to nixon's resignation also led to do first-ever criminal conviction of a u.s. attorney general. nixon's attorney general had lied about the itt scandal during his confirmation hearing. he got nailed for it because of the task force that was set up under the watergate prosecutor to look at that specific thing. what started with a check for $400,000 and a supposedly triumphant homecoming republican convention for an insecure president. that discrete stand alone scandal, unrelated to the watergate cover-up. that itt scandal, making that antitrust case go away in exchange for money, that separate distinct scandal got vacuumed up in the investigation and resulted in a guilty plea from a u.s. attorney general. you know what? had gerald ford not pardoned
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richard nixon, that itt task force my eventually have toad to charges against nixon, too. he was caught on tape explaining how he had taken care of that whole itt prosecution at the justice department. that itt case has always been an interesting loose threat. it looms large in the what-if questions what charges could he have faced if ford hadn't pardoned him. it also looms over the too trump with the first use of the pardon power. if trump, as has been reported, if trump in fact tried to get his justice department to quash the federal prosecution of convicted sheriff joe arpaio before he issued him a pardon, then that successful itt task force that was formed by the watergate special prosecutor in the 197 ons, well, that's the model for how the mueller investigation now might expand its inquiries to cover that
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justice or fbi issues subpoenas, right? this is like congress subpoenaing the fbi. does that mean they're trying to force the mueller investigation to hand over stuff to congress? what does this mean? as "the washington examiner" describes it tonight, the preponderance is for ments relating to the dossier, the fbi's relationship with dossier author christopher steele and quote, the bureau's possible role in supporting what began as an opposition research project in the final months of the campaign. they're mad at the fbi and they want information from the fbi about them receiving the dossier? they were given a deadline of
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september 1st. this latest new about the subpoenas comes, of course, amid tension within the house intelligence committee. last week the top system on the committee, adam schiff warned the investigation might result in two separate partisan reports, with you by the democrats, one by the republicans. after reports that two staffers on the committee flew to london unbeknownst to the other members of the committee in an effort to contact the author of the dossier, christopher steele. that had democrats voicing their fears that the counterparts were more interested in trying to discredit dossier rather than trying to substantiate its allegations. now we have these new subpoenas. from the committee and to the fbi from the justice department for documents related to the daws yai. i'm not sure what to make of it but i am very happy to say joining us is adam schiff on the house committee.
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thank you for being here tonight. i appreciate your time. >> you bet. thank you, rachel. >> i described this as strange news. i will admit to being a bit baffled by this. can i just ask if this is something you were surprised to learn tonight? did you know this was happening? can you help me understand what it means? >> during the recess we were informed that the majority wanted to send subpoenas to the doj and fbi requesting these documents, which i think perplexed us, because we hadn't even made a voluntary request. for the information we have a committee practice, we don't subpoena parties unless they turn down our requests for information which the fbi and doj hadn't really done we opposed it, we thought it wasn't warranted. they told us they were going to do it anyway. this comes in stark contrast to a different situation where we had requested twice in write documents from the white house any tapes or memoranda reflecting
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conversations between the president and director comey, and the white house basically sent us misleading and incomplete replies. there we should subpoena the white house, but they have not been willing. i was concerned about the disparate treatment here, but also trying to antagonize the fbi and doj, trying to provoke a conflict conflict. i think what's going on is something i saw back in my days as a prosecutor, sometimes the defense opts for a strategy of trying to put the government on trial. here i think there's a hope if they can impeach christopher steele and impeach the fbi and doj, maybe they can impeach the whole russia investigation. but that's not our purpose it's really at cross purposes. we need to be figuring out what is accurate, not trying to discredit him for some reason. >> i don't want to ask you to put words in their mouth, and i know you can really only speak for yourself, and you're very careful about that in terms of
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dealing with your colleagues on the committee, but i don't really understand the point they were trying to make. are they trying to create a counter-narrative in which the existence of the dossier in itself is a scandal, that that's the russia scandal the dossier itself is the original sin, and that therefore the fbi is participating in some sort of russian plot when it comes to the dossier. >> you know, you honest lid don't understand what they hope to accomplish with this. maybe they can discredit mr. steele, though he's held in very high regard within the intelligence community. maybe they want to discredit people in the fib or the department of justice, but what's to be gained? it doesn't undercut the fact that russia hacked our election institutions and tried to influence the outcome of our election. it's only going to impede our ability to get at the facts. so i don't really understand they hope to accomplish.
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i'm disturbed at the double standard of subpoenaing agencies for public effect. i think that's what was designed rather than investigating purposes and where we have a need for subpoenas as for in the case where the white house refuses to comply, we can get it in a subpoena. it is a worrying trend. >> and i'm not all that familiar with what the fbi is required to do in response to a subpoena like this. this isn't a process i'm all that familiar with. is there anything that could be done through this process? is there anything that others can do on your committee to really interfere with the mueller investigation or to either i guess force them to disclose stuff that might impede their ability to prosecute this or otherwise screw with what the special counsel is doing? >> they certainly could make the department and special counsel's life difficult if they're
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subpoenaing materials that are part of the investigative work product that the department normally would not share with congress, and so yes, it could create real problems. they threatened to bring the attorney general in to open session before our committee. many of us would welcome the chance to question the attorney general under oath. i have a hard time believing they would follow through with the threat. we would welcome the opportunity to have him testify before the committee. we don't want to interfere in anything bob mueller is doing. we committed at the outset we would do our best to coordinate. so that we wouldn't. this violates the commitment of the special council, and i leave it to the majority to explain why this confrontation with the department of justice would seem unwarranted. >> congressman adam schiff, top democrat on the house intelligence committee. thank you for joining us on short notice tonight, sir. nice to see you. >> thank you. more ahead tonight. stay with us.
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just set a new record. hurricane irma is now the most powerful hurricane ever recorded in the open atlantic. it's not even two weeks since harvey slammed to shore in texas. if you haven't been paying attention to irma, this is the time to start worrying about it. this could be worse than harvey. the national hurricane seasoner the calls it potentially catastrophic. it's a category 5 storm and then some sustained winds of up to 185
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