bump stocks not central to what they're interested in with their guns. >> thank you very much. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. stephanie? >> good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. we're covering the portrait of a murder. >> potentially the worst domestic attack in united states history. >> hotel room booked overlooking the venue. 60 pounds of explosives, 30 guns bought in the last year alone, and the question if this man acted alone. >> he had to have some help at some point. >> looking for answers. the senate intel committee discloses its findings on russia meddling in the election. here is the big question about the trump campaign's involvement. it still remains. >> the issue of collusion is still open. and staying or going? a defiant rex tillerson denies

reports he considered resigning but stays coy on if he called the president a moron. trump blaming the messenger. >> it was fake news, it was a totally phony story. thank you very much. it was made up by nbc. >> no, it wasn't. let's go back to vegas, though. that's where we're going to begin this morning, with the latest on the mass shootings. investigators now say they do not believe stephen paddock acted alone in orchestrating sunday night's attack, arguing the sheer number of weapons and careful planning indicates he likely had some help at some point. officials have also revealed there is evidence paddock had planned an escape route from the hotel room. paddock's live-in girlfriend, however, told the fbi she had no idea he was planning a massacre. according to her lawyer, marilou danley described paddock as kind and caring. so four days into the investigation, we still have no idea why he did this, despite

the fact that fbi officials have said there are more than 100 agents working on this, covering every possible angle. here's acting director andrew mccabe on cnbc. >> we see in each one of these instances, we look for actual indicators of affiliation, of motive, of intent and so far we're not there. we don't have those sort of indicators. >> i have a great team here this morning to help break all of it down, starting with nbc's justice correspondent pete williams. pete, i know you've got some new reporting about a possible mystery woman investigators are looking for. what can you tell us? >> i don't know how big a deal this is going to turn out to be, stephanie, but they want to talk to anybody who was in contact with stephen paddock in the days before the shooting and the hours before the shooting. they know that he gambled extensively during the day. they say they don't think he had any companion there. but in the days before the shooting, they say, they've gotten reports that a woman was seen with him.

and there may even have been a phone call between them. they want to try to identify her, talk to her, see what she knew. they don't know whether she was involved or not, but it's just something they have to run down. >> all right. we have to talk about the president for a moment because he is back in d.c. after visiting first responders and victims of the las vegas attack. nbc's ron allen has more on that. ron, there were people yesterday saying finally he was the consoler in chief. he went to vegas. he saw first responders. he met with people and that is the president we were hoping to see. but now he's back in d.c. with a chance to talk gun control. >> reporter: exactly, stephanie. there was no tossing paper towels at victims of a disaster here. the president was very comfortable here at a university hospital where he visited first responders and some of the other victims of this horrific attack. before i get to the president, let me show you what's been happening here. we're not far from the scene of

this attack, and over there behind me, you can see this makeshift memorial that's been forming. we've been out here all night, and it's been growing and people have been coming by, and they've been here all night. the president's visit will be remembered as the time when he found his voice, if you will. he seemed comfortable here, perhaps because he is comfortable in las vegas. he has a huge property here, there's a trump hotel at the end of the strip. he talked to these people, he consoled them, and he even invited some of them to come to the white house. here is a bit of what the president had to say while he was here in vegas. >> words cannot describe the bravery that the whole world witnessed on sunday night. americans defied death and hatred with love and with courage. >> a lot of people here who are trying to focus on those very

ideas of bravery, they're trying to help uplift this community which is really feeling a tremendous amount of pain and sorrow with what happened here. so the president added to that during his time here. and you're right, this gun issue is going to come up. people are still concerned about trying to find some lucence to all of this. there was a group of activists here the other day who were here along with the president's visit trying to focus on that issue, because it is a big concern here. the president trying not to focus on politics, trying to focus on the victims of this horrific attack. it was a moment where the consoler in chief in him did come out. at the hospital, others who saw the president during his visit, which was very low key, there was no big moments. he didn't sit around a table sort of talking about the great things that his staff, his team had done. this was a much different event, low key, and obviously such a profound thing happening here. the president obviously moved by

all of that. >> for sure. moving forward is a massive issue out in vegas. you have 45 million tourists who go there every year and nevada is a gun-loving state. pete, are you still there? i want you to break down something for me. we know there is 100 investigators working on this. we still have limited information. what are the main things they're trying to figure out? >> one big question is, did he have help? we know he is the only one who fired shots on surnday night, bt the sheriff says he finds it hard to believe that stephen paddock was able to acquire all this fire power, do all this planning on his own. there is nothing to indicate he did have help, but that's a big question. was anyone else involved in this? second question, why did he stop shooting? the sheriff believes it was because the security guard came to the door, but the sheriff also said that paddock seemed to have some kind of plan to survive the attack, or he also called it a possible escape

plan. we don't know what that was, but we know that it was paddock who took his own life as soon as the security guard or the police arrived at the door, either one or the other. they're not exactly sure when he shot himself. and something else you mentioned, stephanie, a moment ago. the 50 pounds of explosive that was found in the trunk of his car in addition to the immodium nitrate that's used to make explosives. it was something called tanerite. that's something widely used by long-range target shooters. you use it to make exploding targets so you know from a long way away whether you hit the target or not because it blows up. it's a low-power explosive but it has been used in bombing incidents in the past. achmed rahimi who is on trial for the new york bombings over the summer, he used tanerite.

was he planning another attack? he also had 150 rounds of ammunition in the car. was he planning another attack on sunday? was he planning another attack somewhere else? those are the big questions. >> we certainly need answers. president trump, as i said, he didn't discuss gun control while he was in vegas, but republicans, they cannot avoid it. their constituents are calling, saying, let's talk about this. on the specific issue of bump fire stocks, leaders of the party said they're open, at least, to discussing a possible ban. >> we ought to let the investigation run its course, and then congress should have a hearing to see what aspects of it warrant federal involvement. i think that would be a good idea. >> a good idea. i'm going to hang my hat on that. i want to bring my panel in. a white house reporter from bloomberg news, elise jordan, a

times columnist and analyst, and from my home state of new jersey where he's a former democratic senator. let's start with you. do you have any confidence that we are going to see any sort of debate on capitol hill? every time we see an awful attack, we say, let's bring this to the table and it goes nowhere. could this be the time something changes? >> how could sandy hook not have been the time when something changes? >> i hear you. >> i think all of us thought that finally we had reached that moment when out of shame people wouldn't stop gun use. this isn't about bump stock legislation, it's about the semiautomatic ban, it's about the ability to buy 33 weapons in a single year. if we solved the bump stock problem, we've solved nothing. it is broader than that, it's deeper than that, it's a problem in the political culture. >> then let's go deep. take me into this country, take me into the republican party.

why is the nra so successful? why do they have so much money? the gop, as i go down the line name after name, they take loads of money from the nra. why is this our country? >> they take a lot of money from the nra, but that money primarily comes from grassroots donors. so while gun companies are putting a lot of money into the nra, the majority is from mom and pop donors who support gun rights. so you have an incredibly powerful voting constituency that their lobby is essentially the most effective grassroots lobby in the country. the nra was loyal early to donald trump. he, as a manhattanite, might have been for gun control. now he's completely in with the nra because he's seen what they can deliver. they gave him money and they deliver votes, too. >> all right. tolo, isn't this the perfect opportunity, i know i've said it before, for president trump to pivot? this seems like low-hanging fruit. these bump stocks, my gosh, to take a regular rifle and turn it

into a machine gun? why not have the president take a turn here and win over all of those people in the middle desperate for some change? >> well, to elise's point, it's clear that the president is waiting to see what his supporters are going to say about this issue, whether or not the nra gets behind it. right now the president is saying, we're not talking about gun control or any gun laws at this time. he's waiting not only to see what happens in congress, but also to see if the nra is on board with this type of policy change. it does seem to be something that a large number of americans are starting to learn more about these bump stocks and whether or not semiautomatic weapons can become more like fully automatic weapons with the addition of this device. obviously there are a number of republicans that are starting to come out and say they're uncomfortable with this and they want to have hearings on it, but we have not necessarily seen presidential leadership in terms of getting out in front of this. it may happen in the future but it does appear the president is in wait and see mode, trying to be consoler in chief for now,

and then waiting to see whether or not he should get behind any new gun laws. i do believe it will depend on whether or not the nra and other gun rights groups decide to fight this. the president has said that he will be a friend and champion of the nra. he spoke before their conference back in april. so i believe if the president hears from the nra that this is something he can support, you may hear him become more forceful on it. >> he may have been a friend of the nra in the past, but the president is happy to turn on anyone. bloomberg has an article out today that says at least one company that makes these bump stocks is being overwhelmed with orders. now, we've seen this in the past. after these heinous attacks, you see gun sales go up. what do you make of this? >> reporter: well, it's something that happened during the obama administration when president obama would come out and talk about gun control, and after a mass shooting saying we need new laws. you would see gun stocks go up, you would see semiautomatic

rifles go up. you're seeing the same thing. there are a large number of americans starting to learn about these bump stocks, and now they're hearing that some democrats and republicans are pushing legislation to outlaw them, they want to get them while they can. there is always this fear that people in washington will restrict the second amendment, and whenever that fear gets risen, it's clear that a number of americans go out and try to take preemptive action and buy things they think might not be available in the years and months ahead. that's what we're seeing. we saw it with the gun stocks that rose after the las vegas shooting. it's just a reaction, and it's something this country has gotten used to whenever we have these mass shootings. it's something that's almost routine at this point, and it will be very interesting to see if president trump decides to weigh in on this in some way and sort of break into the routine that's become so normalized in this country after several mass shooting events. >> senator, this is our new normal? >> listen to this conversation.

the president is waiting to see whether or not he can lead on this after 58 americans were just murdered by this? let me be direct about this. first the democratic party. if the democratic party responds that we're going to talk about bump stocks, just shut up. that does nothing. this is the moment to go back on the assault weapon ban and look again at comprehensive restrictions on people getting powerful weapons, multiple weapons, unlimited ammunition and bring some common sense to this. if i hear one more democrat get on television and say, well, i believe in the second amendment but we're willing to look at something. look at something? if you're sitting at home and you think this is a new issue, you've not been paying attention. these bump stocks have been around for years and there was a technology before them. this came up in the course of the last 20 years. the assault weapon ban was at issue 20 years ago. there is nothing new here. we've become a society that cannot address problems unless there is a mass murder. there's not a person in

washington who did not know the fbi and the cia weren't talking to each other and sharing information. we addressed it after 9/11. there is not a person in washington who did not know about these bump stocks or the assault weapon ban. 58 people have to die before we even have a conversation. i'm a gun owner. if you're sitting at home and you contribute to the gun owners of america who have already announced opposition to restriction of bump stock, the nra seems to still remain silent. stop giving. if the president won't lead and the congress won't lead, don't be part of the problem. stop feeding this nonsense. >> you know what that's called? jersey strong right there. we'll talk more about this. we need to take a break. stick around. when we come back, you know i want to talk about this. rex tillerson denying he was on the verge of resigning but doesn't deny calling the president a moron. the state department says it never happened, turning his own department into liars. the big question, is it only a

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the secretary does not use that type of language. the secretary did not use that type of language to speak about

the president of the united states. he does not use that language to speak about anyone. so i hope that clarifies it. >> he never said that? >> he did not say that. >> how do you know he didn't use that language? >> because i take the secretary at his word. >> it's too bad i'm sitting right now because i stand by what we say. that was the state department spokeswoman pushing back at our exclusive reporting that the secretary of state, rex tillerson, called president trump a moron back in july in what seemed to be an effort to get back in trump's good graces, a man who rarely addresses the press, i'm talking about never did when he was at exxon. he held a news conference on wednesday discouraging the point that he was on the verge of quitting. president trump got back on twitter saying, rex tillerson never threatened to resign. this is fake news put out by nbc news. low news and reporting

standards. no verification from me. sir, we didn't need to verify that he called you a moron, he did it behind your back. tillerson stopped short on sunday about the off-color comments about his boss. >> did you address the main headline of this story that you called the president a moron, and if not, where do you think these reports come from? >> i'm not going to deal with petty stuff like that. >> i'm just going to breathe on that one. carol lee, the grand high pri t priestess of this story is now here with me, including my panel. we're standing by this. where exactly does everything stand, though? >> the president is facing two choices. he either acknowledges that the story is true, which it is, and then has to fire his secretary of state. or he does what he's doing, which is push back and say this is fake news, this never happened. this is often -- almost all

times when he's faced with a choice like this, he goes that direction. >> this guy has had one job before he came to the white house, running exxonmobil, the biggest, baddest, swankiest company in all of texas. he had his own detail, he had his own foreign policy team. he didn't even have to look at the riff raff and now here he is. his own colleagues ratting him out. the president who undermines him regularly wants to do the job himself or have jared do it. what position is rex tillerson in at this point? >> tillerson is a man without a constituency in washington. he doesn't even have one in his own state department which he's tried to gut, and he hasn't even appointed his own personnel to positions within the state department. add that to the trump white house finding him insufficiently loyal, which this is essentially what their hope -- they would rather just get him on out of there, and he really is a man who doesn't have anyone to fall back on in a tough time.

>> well, he's got general mattis, and when you speak to other people, they're saying, listen, he's one of the adults. i don't want him to leave. i want to share what bob corker said yesterday, because i find it stunning. >> i think secretary tillerson, secretary mattis and chief of staff kelly are those people that help separate our country from chaos. >> okey-doke. if you don't know who bob corker is, that is the republican chairman of the senate committee. if that isn't a smack in the face of the trump rodeo, i don't know what is. >> i think the next shoe to drop here is this all suggests members of the cabinet, including secretary of state, chief of staff must, despite all denials, behind all closed doors, must be having conversations about the president's ability to lead. this must suggest that they are

talking among themselves about the times in which we live, the ability of this president to make judgments for this country. >> but has it not always chafed the president that compare rex tillerson to, say, steve mnuchin. steve mnuchin is willing to go on television and say absolutely anything. this is a man who has said president trump has near perfect genes. does that not annoy the president that rex stops short of that? he said it. it's mind-blowing. >> yes. you and i reported this story together. part of trump's -- the reason why these two have not gelled is because rex tillerson doesn't enjoy being a subordinate. it's not his style and he hasn't done the full mnuchin. >> done the full mnuchin. >> so if you even look at the end of august when rex tillerson was asked what he thought of

whether the president's response to charlottesville reflected america's values, and he responded by saying the president speaks for himself, and the president was really ang angry. and we spoke to tillerson's spokesperson, r.c. hammond, and he said tillerson went into a meeting the next day, on monday, with the president and the president congratulated another white house official in his sunday show appearance because he had defended the president vigorously. and he turned to tillerson and said, the first time i saw your comments, i was really upset about them. but then i watched them a second and third time and i realized you didn't mean them how they came off. but the message is clear, you're not defending me enough, and it's just not his style. >> before we go, should evidence that press conference yesterday? to me it kept the story alive. it was clear he didn't deny it. >> i think secretary tillerson had to have the press conference for an audience of one, donald trump. and donald trump needed to see that rex tillerson was surfacing

and somewhat denying, yet not denying because he wouldn't deny the actual substance of the story, the allegations. >> my disappointment with the press conference is what i really wanted to hear was the president's analogy between rebuilding our troops in afghanistan and the rehabilitation of the 21 club. i really want to hear the analogy. >> don't we have to put that into context? i'm not saying it's nice to call your boss a moron, but every one of us at this table have called our spouse, our boss, our friends something worse than that. >> we're in a little different position. >> trump was comparing afghanistan to the 21 club. >> that's why ultimately this is not a trump or tillerson problem, this is a real american problem. every head of state in the world this morning got a briefing that suggested whether you want to believe it or not that the secretary of state of the united states called the president a moron. after the president of the united states undercut the secretarybeijing,

while he was trying to avoid thermonuclear war with the north koreans, saying he was wasting his time. put yourself in the position of the north koreans whether they want to have a preemptive attack. put yourself in the people's shoes. i understand we're all getting a laugh out of the 21 club and the rebuilding of afghanistan. this is life or death. this matters for these countries. this is a problem and heads are shaking all around the world this morning at the united states of america. >> because of this new afghanistan strategy. >> last word, carol? >> i'm very curious to see where this goes. >> i am very curious to see where this goes. in the game of chess in the white house, if rex tillerson were to leave, are you sure you want that job, whoever is up next? three soldiers were injured

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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. a major bombshell in the russia investigation. the senate intelligence committee is not ruling out that the trump campaign colluded with russia to interfere in last year's election. community leaders making the announcement after interviewing more than 100, that's two zeros, witnesses and examining thousands of pages of documents. >> we have more work to do as it relates to collusion, but we're developing a clear picture of what happened. >> that was republican richard burr. let's get details now from nbc news intelligence international reporter, ken delinian. ken, what are the big takeaways? >> after six months of intense investigation, 100,000 documents, 100 witness interviews, the republicans and democrats on the senate intelligence committee cannot rule out that donald trump's

campaign colluded with a russian intelligence operation to win the election. and if you talk to others, it goes beyond that. everybody is acknowledging there was some amount of collusion here. the only question is what was the intent and who in the campaign knew about it? how high did it go? the other big takeaway, stephanie, is this investigation has looked intensively at that intelligence assessment that was released by the obama administration that donald trump has never accepted. he called it a hoax. they interviewed everybody in the intelligence community that compiled that assessment and they endorsed it yesterday, and i'm talking about the conservative republicans on the senate intelligence committee, including richard burr of north carolina, a trump supporter. they said wholeheartedly we agree with this assessment that donald trump hacked the election to beat hillary clinton. >> i also need to talk about that dossier, the dossier compiled by the former british

spy. that thing is back in focus? >> that was a remarkable moment at the news conference yesterday. there were two things they said about the dossier. one, they said they hit a wall because steele will not talk to the committee. they said we need to know who the sources are and who paid for it. but burr said they had been able to corroborate some aspects of it, which is remarkable, because this is an incredibly important document that makes dangerous allegations about the trump campaign. there are selacious sexual details about donald trump, allegations that he's denied. burr did not say which parts of it they corroborated, he didn't say which dates, which meetings, but just the fact that they've been able to piece together some of it and validate it was, i thought, an interesting development, stephanie. >> that's got me a little stressed out. i do not want that thing back in my life. that is the kind of information that gives a person like me nightmares. all right, ken, thank you very much.

my mind is still blown on interviewing over 100 people. now we have to go to breaking news, i hate this story, involving american soldiers in africa. three army special forces soldiers were killed and two wounded by militants. hans is standing by. hans, what happened? >> we don't know. and we don't know why the troops were in this part of africa. we know the french has a big contingent in africa. it happened about 200 kilometers north of mali. mali is facing an insurgency. there are a lot of al qaeda linked groups there. what the pentagon is saying is they came under ambush, three are dead. the two that have been medevaced, they went to germany, the medical center there. they were evacuated in stable condition, so it looks like those two may be okay. three are dead, and officials are also saying that one partner

nation, one member also died there. this morning, stephanie, and reuters is reporting that there is still an ongoing conflict there. there's still fighting going on with nigerian troops and french troops. the french basically own this part of west africa in terms of the counterterrorism operation. so we need to get a lot more answers here. we know there is active anti-terrorism at operations in somalia and east africa. they do training once in a while in central africa, but the active counterterror missions are something new. we found out about it because of these tragic deaths. but officials keep warning me here that it's still very fluid. what does openness mean to restricting devices that transforms some guns to automatic weapons? that is worth noting.

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ali velshi is in las vegas getting reaction from local gun owners. this is gun country. this is part of the culture out there. >> reporter: yeah, and that was the point, to understand some of the divide about how some people react after these mass shootings versus those for whom guns are a very important part of their looif lives. as you and i discussed, i went out to a shooting range nearby, and listen to what i found. this is gun country. 17 miles from the las vegas strip is america's largest gun range, the clark county shooting complex. it's where people come to practice their aim and shoot targets for sport. steve carmichael is the senior manager here. >> i think in the state of nevada we're still considered a little bit like the old west in a lot of ways, and a lot of gun owners live in the state of nevada. we run the whole gamut of shoort

shooters. >> when you land here, you see reenactments of shooters. what's up with that? >> there are rules, but they're supervised by the rso. >> this is actually less busy than it typically would be on a day like this because it's a little windy for shooting. but after a shooting like the one we saw in las vegas, people come out to ranges like this because they're worried that the conversation about gun control will mean they can't get their hands on things like this, this arx, which by the way is a semiautomatic gun. it's not like a semiautomatic weapon that was used in the shooting. the key word is like a semiautomatic. the shooter used what's called a bump stock, a device which allows a rifle to be fired by one trigger pull as if it were fully automatic. >> it's a very tragic thing. we definitely need to have some kind of control over people buying so many weapons, but it's not going to stop something like this.

but we should bear arms responsibility. >> the second amendment exists and there should not be any restrictions whatsoever on gun rights. there is always going to be bad people among us. there are always going to be murderers, rapists, always somebody out there who is going to abuse and hurt people. >> we're not in the enforcement business. we don't ask people about their licensing. if they show up at our range with an automatic weapon and they're safe and they demonstrate profficiency with it, we don't interfere with them. >> reporter: stephanie, there was a range of opinion. that's the message i was trying to get across. there are some people who say, hey, look, what happened in las vegas with these mass shootings is heinous and we have to figure out how to control those things, and the old adage that guns don't kill people, people kill people. >> ali, this is a complicated one. we're going to keep discussing it.

i'll see you at 11:00 a.m. i want to talk about this number. 5,900,000. according to open secrets, that is the dollar amount given to republicans in the 2016 election cycle by gun rights groups. that includes almost $172,000 given to paul ryan alone in the afterma -- in the aftermath of the tragedy in vegas, we've heard nothing about capitol hill. but republicans are showing some willingness to discuss banning bump fire stocks, the tool that turned a semiautomatic weapon into -- i'm going to call it a killing machine. ben wright, who is hosting the new positilitico money podcast. how much does their money matter? i ask because just yesterday i saw mike bloomberg putting out an announcement, every contribution that goes to every

town, he's going to match it. there is a lot of money that goes into gun control. how does the gun lobby have this much dough? >> well, it's not just about the money. that's significant money that you mentioned, but you look at a figure like 172,000 to speaker paul ryan, it's not a huge amount of cash. money doesn't explain entirely the nra's power. there is also the membership, 5 million people at least in the m nra, and there are republican primaries and the nra score for republican voters. if they get bad scores from the nra that they've supported any kind of gun control, they are vulnerable in the primaries to a more conservative republican candidate. that's what republicans worry about, challenges on the right. not so much about democrats or people who support gun control. money is one piece of the nra power. the other power is to motivate base republican voters who do not support any kind of gun control. it's a messaging power, a vote scorecard power and then the money piece of it, too. but i would say the money is not

the number one piece of their power. >> really. i want to play part of what the president had to say to the nra back in april. >> the eight-year assault on your second amendment freedoms has come to a crashing end. [ cheers and applause ] >> you have a true friend and champion in the white house. >> okay, so he says you have a true friend and champion, but trump has said he's a true friend to almost everybody, but he's turned his back on everyone, except by my account, ivanka. >> true. you never leave family. and he's been a supporter of gun control, he's played the mantel of the nra. >> to me it's just ivanka he stands by. he doesn't always stand by the boys. >> yeah, don jr., that might be true. but in trump's case, it's a perfect example of him gravitating to an issue in the republican base that will endear him to voters, that will, you know, attach them to him.

and that's a huge motivating factor for republican primary voters is defending gun rights and any attempt to infringe upon them. i think now with the bump stocks, we are in an area where there are republicans now, senior republican leadership on capitol hill who, as you said, are open to talking about it. the question is, what is the nra going to say and when will they say it? we should take this very seriously that they're quiet, but they're always quiet after these major ka tcatastrophes. orlando, sandy hook, they take a pause. >> what else are they going to do? >> that doesn't mean they'll say, yeah, we're for restricting these bump stocks. other more aggressive gun rights groups are saying, absolutely not, we won't support any gun control. the nra could go either way on this. you pull back the lens a little bit and think about the fact that these automatic weapons generally after 1986 are already illegal, so why wouldn't it be illegal to have a device that turns them into something that's

illegal? that's where the conservative republicans, the nra, might say, we need to do something here. this is a massacre from on high. we have to change this law. >> wouldn't that be a win-win for republicans and for trump? if trump were to do something -- the nra seems like they're an i am -- impenetrable force, and it supports the argument that trump has made for months, i'm pragmatic, i won't do anything. but what about those people who hear and might say thank you? >> i'm sure they're pulling on this issue right now. they're trying to figure out where the base is on this and if they are open to the idea of a ban on bump stocks. if so, he will come out and support it. i'm sure he thinks absolutely, we have to get rid of these things, it's ridiculous we have them. but he's low popularity, 39 to 40%, he cannot risk alienating

his base. if they think this is a slippery slope, all the rhetoric that gun owners use -- >> where is his base going to go? they're not going to leave him. >> they will be dispirited, he needs them for tax reform. they're trying to decide, can we do the bump stock ban, and if they're there with him, he'll go with it. >> this is not the time to talk about it. th that blows my mind. it is certainly the time to talk about it. the former ceo of equifax testifying right now on the hill for the second day over the massive data breach earlier this year. we'll get a live report from that hearing. it blows my mind when they blame the tech guy. it's when john corzine blamed the back office from global.

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