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obviously want to know about is whether oprah's going to run in 2020. before we go, this just in, from our friend laura brown, editor in chief of their latest issue. oprah winfrey, addresses speculation of running for president in 2020. i always felt very secure and confident in myself in knowing what i could do and what i could not. so it's not something that interests me. i don't have the dna for it. i met with someone the other day who said they would help me with a campaign. that's not for me. >> pretty definitive. >> that is definitive. >> so it's tom hanks then. >> it is tom hanks for president 2020. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. stephanie. >> oprah knows what she can do and what she cannot. in my experience, it seems like oprah, she can do anything. good morning, i'm stephanie ruhle with a lot to hit this morning. the president arrives at the
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world economic forum in switzerland but america, we still got russia on our mind. moments before departing the white house, trump says he'll answer robert mueller's questions, maybe under oath. >> absolutely. i'm looking forward to it actually. >> say what. those comments distracting from major sit-downs with world and economic leaders as the nationalist president tries to win over the globalist event. >> america first is not america alone. >> plus, close to a compromise. the president says he's open to a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers. this as more than half of the senate huddles to negotiate immigration reform. >> the spirit in that room was one of the senate needs to lead. >> we begin this morning with donald trump landing in davos. the first president to attend the world economic forum in nearly 20 years. but the headlines back home, they're about russia.
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which a lot of russians do go to davos. just before trump left, he said he'd love to talk to mueller under oath as part of the russia investigation. starting with nbc's kristen welker at the white house. kristen, ty cobb can walk this back all he wants. you were there when the president came back to john kel he's office for this impromptu press conference. >> i was there and the president was definitive. when we asked him whether he was willing to sit for an in person interview with robert mueller, he said he's looking forward to it. and when president said he would do it under oath, the audio is pretty cool. take a listen. >> would you do it under oath, mr. president? >> you mean like hillary did it under oath? who said that? >> i said that. >> i'll give you an idea.
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she didn't do it under oath. but i would do it under oath. listen, but i would do it. >> so you're going to do it under oath? >> say it. >> to reach a higher standard, you would do it under oath? >> oh, i would do it under oath, yes, absolutely. >> so the audio tells you everything you need to know. you're absolutely right, stephanie, the president here at the white house handling all things russia. ty cobb did walk back the president's comments to some extent. he said the president was speaking hurriedly to reporters before he left for davos. ty cobb went on to say in those remarks the president expressed his complete cooperation by mr. mueller. will he testify under oath i asked. well, cob told me the president indicated a willingness to do so subject to the terms that are being negotiated by his council. why is this significant? cob is really putting the focus on the fact this is still a negotiation, that there's still
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sensitive talks going on behind the scenes. but the big question has been what does the president want? would he be willing to speak to robert mueller? he is indicating a willingness to do so. i asked him whether that interview has been scheduled yet. he said not yet. he expects it will happen in the next two to three weeks, stef. >> next two to three weeks, all eyes will be on that. kelly o'donnell is live in davos switzerland as the real insiders like to call it. president trump just got there a few hours ago. i know he has a big schedule ahead. >> good to be with you, stephanie. the president will have two important one on one meetings of high interest in terms of foreign policy and perhaps less about some of the themes that are always about this world economic forum. he'll be meeting with theresa may, prime minister of the united kingdom and benjamin netanyahu, prime minister of
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israel. the president is watching for the way he is received here in davos. you know his personal brand, his political brand, is really not in step with most of those who gather here on a annual basis to talk about free trade and globalism and some of those sorts of ideas that really run counter to what donald trump is trying to sell with his america first agenda. some reporters were able to have a brief moment as the president was arriving at one of the event sites today. here's a bit of how he described his time in davos. >> peace and prosperity. >> you think you're going to be received well here? >> i already am. you take a look. you tell me. >> so right off the bat, the president is greeting his own reception here in favorable terms. he flew in to zurich and then took marine one through the alps to davos and described a
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spectacular view of the swiss alps. and that is for sure. now some of the more difficult parts of his meeting will unfold over these next two days. big speech tomorrow, of course. that's where he'll lay out that agenda. some of the behind the scenes meetings, we'll be looking for the body language and the message that president trump and his whole team he brought here are emphasizing. just how the other world leaders and influencers are taking these kind of -- the temperature of donald trump's first visit to davos, stef. >> very interesting when you look at those images, president trump is right there shaking hands with the founder of the world economic forum, claus schwab. gary is sort of a davos alumni for last 10 or 12 years. of course wearing a different hat than when he was president
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of that bank. my partner ali velshi is there. ali, let's walk through this, because for the last few days, you know, there's definitely been shade thrown at the president, whether we're talking about modi, india saying the biggest issue facing the world is climate change. we know we've got members of this administration, you've got scott pruitt who likes to say let's have a televised event debating whether or not it exists. you have justin trudeau talking about the importance of global trade. but the president arrives today. people love to throw shade when he's not there. but tell me what it was like when he walked into the congress hall. >> so he got into the congress center and you're right, by the way, people here call it davos. probably about 15 minutes ago. from the hotel area where he's coming from. i have never seen anybody get the reception that president trump had. over the last couple of days, talking to economists, you know, people have started to talk about the idea that america first is not exclusive to global coordination. so everybody's trying to come to
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terms with the idea that you don't want to end up on the wrong side of the president of the united states. he walked in here and this is the main stay care thircase tha down to the main hall. there was thousands of people, everybody with their phone up like they were at a rock kconc t concert. president trump did get a very warm, very positive greeting. now in the first of the two bilateral meetings he's having with theresa may who, by the way, had to go back to the united kingdom yesterday for a question period and has come back to this meeting with president trump. he's got a busy schedule. doing exactly what world leaders do at davos. he has a massive advance team. so many members of the cabinet. everywhere you walk today, you're running into somebody from the white house or the administration and they're making themselves available to sort of have conversations about what the goal is, but the goal is very traditional here, stephanie, it is about really saying we're open for business, so the message basic home might be talking tough on trade and
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telling everybody america first. the message here is a little more traditional, how do we do more business together. >> it's very interesting on two fronts. when you said he walked into a rock star reception, we have to remember, there are two different things. a rock star reception is a show and that's what president trump likes. the most successful international trips he's had thus far, whether we're talking about the sword dance in saudi arabia or the reception he got in china, world leaders have learned, make president trump feel like a king and a rock star. he loves that. but from a policy perspective, trade will move without president trump's participation. the world doesn't necessarily need him anymore. we should point out one other thing, the chair people of davos this year, this year there are seven, i believe all of them are women. when i look at president trump right there, i mention eed clau schwab with him, gary kushner, he's flanked almost entirely -- well, there's one -- by white guys. all right, ali, please, stay in this conversation -- >> i did see transport secretary
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elizabeth chao a little earlier. so i'll give them that, they brought a woman cabinet secretary with them, which is fantastic. >> my panel, brendan greely is a contributor to the economist free exchange globe. elise jordan, time magazine and msnbc political analyst. and ben white, politico's chief economic correspondent. elise, to you, for your average american, why should they care what's happening in davos? last year, president trump talked about davos like this global elite out of touch. here he is, he's the star of the show. >> last year, donald trump ran on a platform that he was all about the forgotten man. that catapulted him into office, that he was going to take care of men and women who had been ignored by late. and now less than one year, one year into his presidency, he's at the most elite world gathering really that there is, and celebrating in his newfound
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power and also marking the first time an american president has visited since bill clinton in the final year of his presidency. donald trump goes in year two. >> all right, brendan, one thing we see gary cohen often do is sort of dial the president's words back. earlier this week, he said there's no greater salesman to push the american economic agenda than donald trump. he's probably right. but gary's trying to thread a needle here and say that america first is not america alone. listen to it. >> the president believes we can have truly win-win agreements. america first is not america alone. i said in my remarks when we grow, the world grows. when the world grows, we grow. we're part of a world economy. and the president believes that. if we live in a world where there are not artificial barriers, we will all grow. >> the president believes we can have win-win agreements.
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>> you know, he said when we grow, the world grows with us. that's true. america's consuming -- >> sounds like a song. >> well, it's less true than it was before. that's the key. america's consumer economy is still massive. it's not as comparatively massive as it was in the past. in the past when we want better trade agreements with other countries, we say look, we're going to cut off access to our market. what we're discovering is it's not as big of a threat as it used to be. if we talk about what the president has said, what will burr ross, his commerce secretary, has said that we want fairer trade, that we want to be more aggressive in our trade agreements. our only bargaining chip there is cutting off access to our own market. one of the things we're discovering is the rest of the world is perfectly happy to trade without us. we're going to start to have to act in international trade like any other country. >> elise, gallup found that the image of u.s. leadership worldwide has taken a hit.
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30% of people around the world approve. should the president care? >> absolutely. i think it's important -- >> why? >> just to have strong alliances with other countries. you don't want everyone to hate you and necessarily be against what your agenda is that you're pushing around the world. that is why the comments went across with such a resounding dud when he made reportedly the s-hole comments. because why do you necessarily need to antagonize an entire continent? i, for one, don't think so. >> all right, but couldn't you hate president trump as a person but like the policy? and that's the argument that neil ferguson makes. he wrote, the real issue is the message trump chooses to communicate to global business elite. they may hate his tweets and his politically incorrect rhetoric, but they have spent the last year loving his economic policy to bits. what do you make of that? >> well, it's true to a degree.
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they love the fact that he's, you know, cutting regulations, cutting taxes. although to a degree that's true of business global leaders. we've gone to 21% on the corporate rate. i'm sure some of them are feeling the heat to go low too. when gary talks about not america alone, i mean, it's america alone to pull out of the climate accords. it's america alone to withdraw from the tpp, the transpacific partnership and other asian nations moving along without us. it's america alone to threaten to pull out of nafta. to slap tariffs on washing machines and solar. there's a lot of america alone going on in this policy. they like tax cuts generally. but i'm not sure they really love all the protectionism, pulling out of trade deals and backing away from the world. so they love some of it and they obviously love the rock star celebrity stuff and of course they're going to cheer from him when he shows up. >> they like the absurdity of it
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all. everything's going so well. then trump exactly to ben's point starts imposing new tariffs. i want to show what the wall street journal, remember, the wall street journal owned by murdoch. and this is the important part, because editorial also said trump is conducting trade policy as if the u.s. trading partners have no recourse. this is exactly what you were touching on. and whether we're talking about wilbur ross' idea of the way the world works. many say it's like he's trapped in the '80s and so is the president. >> i think that's right, they are trapped in the '80s. they think we'll get another plaza accord which is where we told japan we needed a better understanding of what the exchange rate with the yen would be. i don't think we have the bargaining power anymore. i talked to some people who modeled global trade to the peterson institute here in d.c. you know what they found to
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their own surprise looking at trade models, models are not perfect, is that if the u.s. raises global trade barriers, asia continues to trade with itself. europe continues to trade with itself. mexico and canada suffer. the u.s. suffers the most. and so, you know, the thing that doesn't square with our rhetoric on trade, our actual fiscal policy, you know, we're talking as if we want to reduce the trade deficit with other countries. the way we're spending money says that there is zero appetite in washington for actually doing the things we would need to do to reduce that trade deficit. doesn't seem like a very strong stick anymore. so we just don't have a lot to bargain with or rather we have a lot less to bargain with than we used to. >> right there on your screen, i mentioned him before, you see the president's so n-in-law, jared kushner. i want to go back to gary cohen. he spoke about trade.
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listen to this. >> we are very open to free, fair reciprocal trade. if you treat us one way, we will treat you the same way. if you have no tariffs, we will have no tariffs. we should have a reciprocal tariff. it's hard to argue against that, that we should treat each other equally. the president's going to keep going on that. >> what's wrong with that? >> well, what's wrong with that, if we slap tariffs on imported goods, other countries are going to put tariffs on their own so we're going to wind up paying more. >> which is what we saw right after the depression and it only worsened and lengthened the depression. >> exactly. trade policy has never worked. you slap on a bunch of tariffs, other countries retaliate, inflation goes up and the american consumer gets hurt, commit goes down. we've done this before. it's in economic history. it's always been a failure and it's always made our economy
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worse. gary will make the case these are very specific things. they are unfairly reducing prices in china and elsewhere. we have to counteract that. i think there are arguments to be made on some individual things. if your across the board tariffs on goods from mexico and china, you're going to wind up with resib rir reciprocal tariffs. bad for consumers. >> i think we have to understand what the -- the limitations of the word tariffs, right? we're used to thinking of this idea, we import stuff, we can make it more expensive to import stuff. what we export is not stuff but ideas and services and that's very difficult to put a tariff on. the way you figure out how to regulate that trade is these multilateral agreements. that's what we did before the trump administration with the tpp. that's what the trump administration has walked away from. we're not just talking about tariffs, we're talking about very complex agreements on how we sell services to other
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countries which is the thing that america is really good at. so in order to sell those things, in order to figure out what the barriers to trade can be and can't be, we need to be part of the complex discussions. >> all right, brother velshi, can you hear me? >> i can hear you. >> so walk me through, you know, we have already heard from countries like india and also one of the main themes in the world economic forum is to take national borders down. and they argue that protectionism is a huge challenge around the world and it is the responsibility of the larger more established countries to help the others. now, president trump would most likely argue against that. whether or not he made the s-hole comments a couple of weeks ago, that is the president's view. >> you know how to make me jealous because that conversation you're just having about the benefits and disadvantages of trade agreements is what i love getting into. there's a couple of things we
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have to change. i talked to the ceo of mitsubishi. he said, look, ali, most countries don't think after they concluded a negotiation with the united states about trade, that somehow they got the better of the united states. there is a real problem in that high-paid manufacturing workers in the united states or great britain, higher wage economies, when they make trade deals with -- >> all right, ali, i've got to break in. president trump is now sitting in his bilateral meeting with terraheresa may. let's take you there. >> the prime minister and myself have had a really great relationship, although some people don't necessarily believe that, but i can tell you, i have a tremendous respect for the prime minister and the job she's doing. i think the standpoint is mutual from the standpoint of liking
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each other a lot. that's a little bit of a false rumor. i have great respect for everything you're doing. we love your country. we're working on transactions in terms of economic development, trade, maybe most importantly, military. we have very much joined at the hip when it comes to military. we have the same ideas, the same ideals. there's nothing that would happen to you, we won't be there to fight for you. you know that. and i just want to thank you very much. this is a great honor to be here. thank you very much. >> thank you very much, mr. president, thank you. we've had, as you say, we've had a great discussion today. we continue to have that really special relationship. between the uk and the united states. we're facing the same challenges across the world and, as you say, we're working together to
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to defeat those challenges and to meet them. the u.s. and the uk both do well out of this. it's been great to see you. >> well, it's great to see you. one thing that will be taking place will be trade. we look forward to that. but the trade concept, discussions really i can say most importantly that will be taking place are going to lead to tremendous increases in trade between our two countries. which is great for both in terms of jobs. we look forward to that. and we are starting that process pretty much as we speak. so thank you all very much for being here, thank you. we will be -- state?
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>> state -- >> we will go through that. we will go through that. >> thank you. >> thank you very much, everybody. >> thanks, everyone. >> and as we look there in the room, i mentioned, i didn't know of any women who were joining the president. ali mentioned elaine chao. sarah huckabee sanders and hope hicks. elise, the president mentioning a state visit. i could have sworn he was going to have one of those. the president said it was because of obama that wasn't it happening? >> well, this has been a source of huge controversy in the uk. there were protests expected to number, you know, over 1 million protesters if the state visit, if donald trump actually came to the uk. so he was very hesitant about
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going if he wasn't going to receive great press. specifically took that up with prime minister may in a discussion about the trip. what i found notable about that exchange is donald trump devoted 70% of his air time to saying how he does have a strong relationship with theresa may. that the reports they do not get along and they've had a strained relationship are false and they do like each other very, very much. >> ali, i know you were outside, were you able to hear the president's remarks? >> so i'm at the main level of the congress center which you know well. the president is off to the side and up one level. he's coming out now so i'm keeping an eye out when i see him. not only the relationship, but the relationship is important. if the -- what do we -- all right, who's over here? okay, this is bb netanyahu just
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came out behind us. this is the next bilateral the president will have. these are the two very important meetings president trump had scheduled. the second one is with bb netanyahu. this is one of those places. let me just go over for a second. you can stay with me and we'll listen to what this conversation is now. how are you, sir? nbc news. just wanted to speak to -- speak to the -- if possible -- all right, we've got tight security here. we're not going to be able to get any closer to the prime minister. one thing you know, as i know, from davos, you don't win over the israeli security guards. it's a cautionary tale. if you push too far on immigration, you push too far on bad trade deals, you end up inciting a population that votes to get out of the trade deals.
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theresa may will have to admit, britain's got a bit of a problem. it had some pretty good trade relationships going on. that's -- one of your panelists made this point a few minutes ago. that is the danger of overplaying this trade hand. yes, everybody will make a deal with the united states because you have to. that's how it goes. but the bottom line is they'll also find ways around it. mexico and canada will find ways around it. asia is already doing so. justin trudeau just announced he's picking up the trade deals everybody left behind with the tpp. this is the cautionary tale of pushing the rhetoric too far. we're taking a look over here. prime minister, do you want to come and talk to nbc? we're live right now. come and say hello to viewers. >> cnn. >> i'm with msnbc now. thanks for watching. good to see you, sir. >> ali, right there, right there, benjamin netanyahu told the world he has been your fan for decades. bravo to you, my partner. >> look, he is in a very good mood. i've seen him here times before
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the iran deal was going on, hassan rouhani and netanyahu was here and it was tense. netanyahu about to meet the president of the united states, going to reiterate a relationship netanyahu has been trying to cultivate for a long time. so that's where that's going. so we've got the president's going to leave his two bilateral meetings this morning in very good shape. he will come out of the theresa may meeting saying they've got a great relationship. britain needs america right now because it's goinging to lose a lot of its trade relationships. and we've got this meeting that's about to happen with netanyahu. then it's fair game. then we don't know what happens. there are ceo meetings that the president will be in. his cabinet has been laying the ground are many. and then tomorrow morning my time very late tonight your time, i think 3:00 a.m., is when the big speech from president trump is going to be. again, everybody's going to be wanting to hear. is he talking to his base back home about an america first hard-line message or is he talking to the world and saying we need more deals and we need to do business with you. that's the big question.
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>> okay, well, this next meeting is going to be a very good one for the president. ali says prime minister netanyahu is in top form. of course he is. if president trump gets to arrive in davos like a rock star, netanyahu is the kinicky to his danny zuko. these two are true home bboyhom. the kushners have known netanyahu for decades. he stayed in the kushners family home in new jersey in jared's bedroom when he was a middle schooler. you saw president trump has had a number of meetings in the white house with other world leaders. but none would compare to how friendly he was when you saw -- i mean, up there going me and bb, we go back. it's not just about the united states and our embassy in israel. on a broad range of issues, he certainly seems to back the israeli agenda. >> oh, 100%. they're as simpatico as you can
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get. it's a beautiful thing. but they're both riding high as you can see. they're going to enjoy this meeting and they'll say a lot of positive things and they'll get -- trump will get some positive press back in the united states for it. so this is obviously probably one of his favorite parts of this trip. then he gets to schmooze with ceos later at this dinner. there's no question about it. then he gets to come back and talk to bob mueller. >> brendan greely, you want to weigh in on this? the next meeting the president is going to have will be a very positive one, not just for him. you have the sheldon ed addelsn of the world thrilled to see these two men together. >> if we already knew who danny suko and these metaphors -- >> the only person is my friend steve cka can canuck who has ne
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seen the movie "greecase." >> i want to go back to the meeting in the uk, much more to the theme of what davos is. you say nice things about getting along together in public. then you go in private and make dirty deals. so theresa may and donald trump are in a sense in the same place. both of them say they're for free trade. both of them have left free trade areas. rather trump is threatening to do that with nafta and theresa may has already done that with the eu. they're both discovering the same thing. which is that trade is very complex. you cannot just put up tariffs at the borders for goods and have everything work out when i threaten you and you threaten me. so i think it's fascinating that the two -- those two leaders are trying to figure out a way out of this in private. i don't know what they're saying in private. i do know both of them are under
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the very same pressures which is exit and trade agreements does not look as good as it sounded on the campaign trail. >> we should point out because i know she's traveling with the president but i haven't seen her on air yet. hallie jackson was in her high school performance of "grease," that is an important fun fact. you're sort of on the takeaway here in davos. among these world leaders, there's a huge amount of russian oligarchs who are there. who you often hear names as it relates to mueller, manafort. known for having the biggest party in davos the last night there. filled with deejays and dancers and caviar. it will be interesting if he hosts that party this year. and if he does, if any member of the -- any members of the administration attend. >> well, brendan made a strong point about how dirty deals are done behind closed doors. and that's what a lot of trump supporters really feared this
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international order that has ignored the forgotten man and is focused on the interest of elites. so now publicly at davos and behind closed doors, president trump is trying to make the case that he isn't such an anti-elitist after all. >> all right, we're going to leave it there and take a commercial break. while we are off, i challenge you to say how dirty deals are done ten times fast. >> dirty deals done dirt cheap. >> we've gone from "grease" to acdc. >> full service on this show. up next, more on president trump's bombshell comments that he is willing to testify under oath. this morn, his lawyer, they're trying to walk that one back. let's begin. yes or no? do you want the same tools and seamless experience across web and tablet? do you want $4.95 commissions for stocks, $0.50 options contracts? $1.50 futures contracts? what about a dedicated service team of trading specialists? did you say yes? good, then it's time for power e*trade. the platform, price and service that gives you the edge you need.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. president trump denying any collusion or obstruction of justice and laying out a time line of when he might be speaking with special counsel robert mueller. take a look. >> there's been no collusion whatsoever. >> do you have a date set? >> i guess they're talking about two or three weeks, but i would love to do it. >> his lawyer ty cobb is walking that back saying, quote, in those remarks, the president expressed his complete cooperation with mr. mueller. the details are being negotiated with mr. trump's personal lawyers. we can send you that video.
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you should watch again, what the president said. tough to walk those comments back because he said them. this comes two weeks after the president said it seems unlikely that he was going to have to meet with mueller. i want to bring in msnbc's intelligence and national security super star reporter ken delanian and justice and security analyst matt miller who, by the way, is a superb tweeter and former spokesman for the justice department. what do you know about negotiations held between mueller and trump's team? >> clearly they want to interview donald trump. if you'll recall, initially trump's lawyers floated the idea of trump answering legal questions. he wants to look donald trump in the eye. and now the president is suggesting that maybe he'd be willing to do that. but i got to tell you, a lot of people i speak to think that is never going to happen. because it's just too risky for donald trump. he has in the past been a terrible witness in depositions with a tenuous relationship with the truth. let me give you an example of the problem he's facing.
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james comey, the former fbi director, has testified under oath that donald trump asks for his loyalty in a private meeting. trump has said flatly that never happened. if mueller can cooperate that through documents and other witness. and donald trump gives a different story. he's opening himself up to a charge of lying regardless of whether he's ever charged with obstruction of justice. so that's the kind of problem he's facing. that's why some people i talk to believe he may ultimately assert his fifth amendment right. for most politicians, that would be fatal but trump is not not politicians. >> does it matter if he's under oath or not when he's speaking to mueller? >> not really because it's a crime to lie to federal investigators. it's a crime, for example that sent martha stewart to federal prison if people recall that famous case. >> the president has long claimed that there was no collusion. what do you make of him now
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claiming there is absolutely no obstruction whatsoever? i want to point out, no mention of money laundering. just saying. >> i think two things, one he's reacting to all the reports over the last week. we know he's obviously a big cable news watcher and there's been a lot of coverage of all the witnesses who come in who are apparent witnesses in the obstruction of justice case. the second thing i found really interesting from his comments yesterday, not so much about the interview because he's really come, you know, 360 degrees on this now from first saying he would cooperate to backing off to now saying he will cooperate again. when asked about obstruction, said look, you know, they say all these things about you and then you fight back just a little bit. they call it obstruction. if you take that, you know, take his words at face value, he seems to think that intervening multiple times in the investigation publicly criticizing the fbi in the strongest possible terms is just fighting back a little bit. and of course intervening with the fbi, asking the fbi director to back off an investigation, asking all the intelligence chiefs to intervene with the fbi
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and get them to back off, that's not fighting back in a legal sense. that is possibly obstruction of justice. i think what we saw in his mind is he doesn't think he's done anything wrong. >> no, he doesn't. all right, ken, the department of justice has written a letter to the chairman of the house intelligence committee devin nu nu nunez, talking about the first fisa process. >> you have the republican-led department of justice repudiating what has been a key republican talking point. i just want to read you from this letter from assistant attorney general steven boyd. though we are currently unaware of any wrongdoing, we agree that any abuse of that system cannot be tolerated. we believe it will be extraordinarily reckless for the committee to disclose such information publicly without giving the department and the fbi the opportunity to review the memorandum. republicans have been saying for days this memo shows fisa
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abuses. here you have the top republican appointee in the justice department saying not only is that not the case but it will be a breech of national security to disclose it which is something republicans have been calling for, stephanie. >> it is a win for the trump team because all of this is confusing, it muddies the waters and it makes your everyday american say, you know what, i don't want to pay attention to any of that. that's exactly what president trump wants. matt, justice department says it will be extraordinarily reckless to release the memo. do you agree with that? >> yes, absolutely, look this memo is written from underlying highly classified information the justice department turned over to congress. for them to release that information without having the justice department review it first to see if it would expose any classified, you know, any intelligence sources and methods would be highly irresponsible. i think the point that ken makes is really a key one. this is about an investigation
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that happened -- or a piece of the investigation that happened in 2016. but this isn't loretta lynch or sally yates to democrats or even jim comey, a republican that now other republicans have turned on claiming that this would jeopardize national security. that is the trump justice department. this is the trump justice department making this claim even when the white house itself from the podium, sarah sanders from the podium, said they want this memo to be released in the interest of transparency. this was an extraordinary thing for the republican-led justice department to do versus a republican committee chairman and i think it shows you how strongly they feel about this issue and how damaging they feel this memo's release could be. >> explain this one to me, matt. sources tell nbc that nunez's counterpart, the chairman of the intel committee, richard burr, he said he wanted a copy of the memo but it was denied. how come? >> i think because nunez doesn't want to show his work to anyone who has access to the classified information who can rebut it.
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you can make a misleading case about them and the problem is the people who have seen the underlying information that would rebut your misleading case can't come out and argue against you fairly because the information they would use to make their argument is classified. so everyone else that would be in a position to know what really happened, richard burr, who would have seen the underlying information, the fbi, the justice department, who have seen the underlying information. nunez is saying no, i won't share the memo with anyone who's in a position -- >> i need to interrupt you. we are seeing bb netanyahu walking into the meeting. he is now about to sit down with president trump for that bilateral meeting. let's take a look. >> clearly he's a speed walker. we missed that. all right, we are going to take a break. thank you, matt. thank you, ken. this russia investigation only getting more interesting. again, devin nunez not wanting to share that memo. i got to see that high school picture of him wearing a white
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welcome back. president trump about to meet with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu on the sidelines at davos. let's listen in. >> and i can honestly say that and also as personal friends we have discussions going with israel on many things including trade. but the big move and something that was very historic and very important was the fact that we will be moving our embassy, as you know, to jerusalem. and as we also know, that is way ahead of schedule by years. and we anticipate having a small version of it open some time next year. so that's a long time ahead of schedule. it's an honor. it's a great honor to be with you. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you very much.
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>> mr. president, i want to say something because this is the first meeting you had since your historic decision to recognize jerusalem as israel's capital. can move the embassy enough to expedite the movement of the embassy to jerusalem. i want to say, this is an historic decision that will be forever edged in the hearts of our people for generations to come. people say that this pushes piece backward. i say it pushes peace forward. because it recognizes history. it recognizes the present reality. peace can only be built on the basis of truth. by recognizing history, you've made history. and we always remember that. we also support you completely. and your stalwart position on the iran nuclear deal. you've said it's a disastrous deal. you said if fatal flaws are not
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fixed, you should walk away from that. if you decide to do that, then we will back you all the way. we also appreciate the fact that you confront arms aggression with us and with other parties in the as never before. i've never seen the alliance between the united states, israel and your other allies in the region as strong and unified as it is under your leadership and the last point is, you stood up for israel at the u.n. in a remarkable way, rock solid support. this is a place, it's a house of slander against israel and against the united states and by word and deed you've told them enough is enough as you finish your first year in office, i want to say that i look forward to continuing our remarkable, tremendous friendship in the years ahead and i want to express the appreciation of the people of israel to you. thank you, mr. president. >> thank you very much. thank you. my honor.
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i have to say with the united nations we were pretty much out in the wilderness by ourselves, the united states and we heard every country was going to be against us and it was very interesting. i said, you know, we give billions and billions of dollars to these countries. it amounts to hundreds of millions and sometimes into the billions for certain countries and they vote against us and i made a very simple statement i'm watching. i'm watching and we ended up getting 68 vote either yes or we'll take a neutral position, which was okay to which was essentially a yes. we ended up getting a lot of votes that i would say virtually we were going to get none and we give billions of dollars away every year to countries and in many cases, those countries don't even support us. they don't support the united states. israel has always supported the united states, so what i did
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with jerusalem was my honor and hopefully we can do something with peace. i would love to see it. if you look back at the various peace proposals and they are endless and i spoke to some of the people involved and i said did you ever talk about the vast amounts of funds, money that we give to the palestinians? we give hundreds of millions of dollars and they said we never talk. we do talk about it and when they disrespected us a week ago by not allowing our great vice president to see them and we give them hundreds of millions of dollars in aid and support, tremendous numbers, numbers that nobody understands, that money is on the table and that money is not going to them unless they sit down and negotiate peace, because i can tell you that israel does want to make peace and they're going to have to want to make peace to or we'll
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have nothing to do with them any longer. this was never brought up by other negotiators but it's brought up by me. i will say that the hardest subject they had to talk about was jerusalem. we took jerusalem off the table, so we don't have to talk about it any more. they never got past jerusalem. we took it off the table. we don't have to talk about it any more. you'll give up some points in the negotiation if it ever takes place. i don't know that it ever will. they have to respect the process also and they have to respect the fact that the u.s. has given tremendous support to them over the years in terms of monetary support and other support. so we'll see what happens with the peace process, but respect has to be shown to the u.s. or we're just not going any further. thank you all, very much. >> mr. president? >> mr. president?
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mr. president -- >> thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> keep up, steve. it's not like you. >> we'll see what happens. we have a proposal for peace. it's a great proposal for the palestinians. i think it's a very good proposal for israel. it covers a lot of the things that were over the years discussed and agreed on, but the fact is and i think you know this better than anybody, there were never any deals that came close because jerusalem -- you could never get past jerusalem. when people said oh, i set it back. i didn't set it back, i helped it.
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i took it off the table. and israel will pay for that. something's going to happen. they'll do something that's going to be a very good thing, but they want to make peace and i hope the palestinians want to make peace and if they do, everybody's going to be very happy in the end. we'll see what happens, steve. >> mr. president, any -- >> no, i didn't really read his remarks personally. i think i'm better off not seeing them but we've done a lot for them and hopefully they're going to make peace with their people. you know what? it's many years of killing people, many years of killing each other. they have to be tired and disgusted of it. let's see what happens. i think eventually very sound minds, i hope sound minds are going to prevail and it would be a great achievement. i said it from day one, if we could make peace between israel and the palestinians. if we could do that it's a truly
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great achievement put the money is on the table. the money was never on the table. i tell you upfront. we give them tremendous amounts, hundreds of millions of dollars a year, that money is on the table. because consider should we do that as a country if they're doing nothing for us? and what we want to do for them is help them? we want to create peace and save lives and we'll see what happens. we'll see what happens but the money is on the table. thank you very much. thank you. >> any time they want. any time they want. alley, to you first, the president certainly talking a big game but for those who understand israeli-palestinian relations, can you argue he was pretty uninformed? >> that was remarkable what the
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president just said. first of all, he seems to have made news by saying they've got some sort of proposed deal. that would be news to the palestinians i'm sure. the palestinians could never get past jerusalem so i just took it off the table to suggest that somehow a sticking point in the negotiation by just removing it sauld there's a deal. a quick google search kept on saying nobody ever said we give the palestinians hundreds of millions of dollars, anybody with a phone would know this. we give the israelis substantially more money and have for every year for the last 30 plus years than the palestinians ever seen. it was just a nonsensical conversation that the president was having with the prime minister netanyahu. if he's got aspirations of being helpful in the peace process and i'll give him this, this is not something that presidents of the united states have all that successful at doing. he didn't move any closer to doing that. he needs a briefing on that situation. i was very, very surprised to hear the president's comments.
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the americans don't have some sort of deal to propose to the palestinians and israeli. >> now we have a secret plan to make peace with israeli-palestinian. we don't. obviously jerusalem is not off the table just because we move our embassy there doesn't mean it's taken off the table. so i think ali was charitable to call that nonsensical. it was unhinge the and bizarre bearing no resemblance to reality. i just watched it with my jaw on the floor. >> brandon, last point. >> maybe netanyahu just gave a master class in how you manage a public meeting with donald trump. when you compare it with theresa may from the uk. we'll talk about trade. it was unmemorable. netanyahu said, thank you, publicly, he said. you've made a historic decision. you've made history by watching
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history. all of these things are quotable but they clearly went to trump's heart and one of the things we have heard from foreign leaders when you're doing a bilateral with trump make sure to tell him what an amazing job he's doing. it was amazing to hear trump talk about the international politics and one of the things we're learning is as we take money away from other countries china's coming in with an open checkbook. >> all right. gentlemen, thank you so much. what an hour. i'll be back again with ali at 11:00 a.m. and all day long on twitter. coming up right now, more news with my friend and colleague peter alexander. >> thank you very much and good morning to everybody joining us in. we'll join her shortly. the president there arriving in switzerland for the world economic forum as we've been watching making plenty of news already in a surprise interview with reporters at the white house last night including comments about the russia investigation and whether he
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would sit down with the special counsel robert mueller. >> i would do it under oath, absolutely. i'm looking forward to it actually. >> and we'll tell you what the president had to say about the deputy fbi director, this man, andrew mccabe and whether he asked him who he voted for. the russia investigation also at the heart of an escalating partisan war of words over a secret fbi memo. the justice department firing back at house republicans saying the public release of that memo would be, quote, extraordinarily reckless and at that impromptu white house interview, president trump seemed to soften his stance on immigration, he's willing to discuss a pathway to citizenship for those d.r.e.a.m.ers, the undocumented immigrants brought to the country illegally as children. it's all ahead just minutes ago, president trump sat down with the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu at the world economic forum in davos, switzerland. netanyahu praising the president fo


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