how about leaving the message in the draft folder, or maybe ignoring the software update reminder. okay, i admit both of those are terrible. but let's stop using the same old worn out cliche, the american people will appreciate it. >> i would like a draft tweet. >> you're trying that one? >> draft tweet, because that speaks to people, we have twitter politics, a twitter president, so that goes in the draft folder. nancy pelosi right now is heading into her eighth hour on the house floor, she's spotlighting, she says, the fight for dreamers as congress debates funding and immigration. you know the old saying, you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning, well, congressman poelosi started at 10:00 a.m.

this is the longest speech in the history of the united states house of representatives. pelosi's push for democrats to be bolder is coming, at the same time that the senate is brokering a deal with congress and republicans are celebrating a win last night in a trump district in missouri. meanwhile the president is focusing on his unusual order for a military prayed. today we will question a trump supporter about that particular idea. and russia, meddling in the midterms right now. that news comes as democrats name a new leader of the senate foreign relations committee, hiss lawyer joins me tonight for an exclusive. so you see i think we have a lot going on including following pelosi's ongoing address. but we begin with this ongoing standoff between bob mueller and president trump, will trump testify like clinton ultimately did?

will he take his subpoena to the supreme court like nixon did? there's news that there's middle ground that trump could stall mueller without risking a congressional crisis. if you like trump, you might not like this idea. and if you loathe trump, you might not like this idea either. it comes from of all places, a former prosecutor, a former judge and eric holder. offering this road to sit down with mueller but then invoke his constitutional right not to incriminate himself, his fifth amendment privilege. >> it's entirely possible that he could use his fifth amendment privilege, which would be almost fatal for any other politician, but as this president says, he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and not suffer any

negative political consequences, fifth avenue to the fifth amendment. that's a possibility. >> that's on the legal strategy, holder also spoke of some broader criticisms of donald trump's strategy. i have this for you later in the show. while another obama senior administration colleague also speaking out on trump's law enforcement. >> this is the first president to make a full throated unvarnished attack on the entirety of the fbi. not going after j. edgar hoover, who was one person in the fbi. this was to discredit the fbi and discredit his own justice department. >> we have a lot at the top of the show, but we begin with our superpanel, karen lofler who has worked with the fbi on hundreds of cases and natasha bertrand, when you hear your former

colleague saying he's going to take the fifth, is that a good idea? >> it should be a political fiasco, but as a citizen of the united states, he has the right to take the fifth amendment, but really, and of course it would be unprecedented, but to sit there and say, you know, i will talk to you, but only under, i will assert my fifth amendment or i want a grant of immunity, should be political suicide, but we have seen so many amazing firsts that are sort of shocking. i'm really bound to say who knows? >> and karen -- >> it shouldn't exist. >> karen, i always respect your candor and you're saying, basically, wow, to this whole idea. i want to know that your legal receptivity to it, you point out that this is a legally possible thing to do, echoes what eric holder said, but you, eric holder and roger stone are all overlapping tonight.

you don't have to state an opinion, i will say that roger and eric holder usually don't agree. he says i recognize the political and legal danger of just stiffing the guy. i turn to you on the law, karen. what is is legal danger in this context when you're a subject of a probe and you say i can't speak based on the fifth? >> well, i mean, certainly it's happened in many cases, you say i can't speak based on the fifth and then the probe goes forward gathering all the other evidence. but you can't go into court and say this is what i wanted to say and they didn't want to listen to me. and especially when you're talking about targeting the president of the united states. you want to give them an opportunity to answer the questions that they have, but the probe will continue whether he says, you know, i'm willing to speak or not. but, you know, in some sense you lose the high ground of saying, well, i really wanted to tell

them the truth, but they didn't want to hear from me. >> it kind of disavows the ability later -- go ahead. >> i'm sorry, i just mean it's strategically doesn't come across very well. go ahead, i'm sorry. >> no, no, you're in alaska, so we have a slight tape delay. >> betsy woodruff, you're hearing what we're saying here, i hate to go meta, why is roger stone even talking about the fifth? >> it's interesting that we're hearing sort of this more aggressive and legally creative approach to how the president can respond to this situation with mueller. i had a conversation just a little bit earlier today with the person who's quite familiar with the thinking on the president's legal team. and this person told me not to underestimate or not to understate the significant role that jay sekulow is playing in the negotiations between trump's legal team and mueller's. in the past there's been this kind of view that sekulow who

doesn't have any criminal law experience maybe could have been sidelined in those conversations. but according to this person, that would be a very incorrect way of thinking about it. this person actually said that sekulow is a force that can see around corners. i think it's possible when we look at some of these potentially hardball tactics that the president is considering, that sekulow could be contributing to that line of thinking in large part because he spent months this year going on fox, on a very regular basis, lambasting mueller and his team and being a very aggressive voice, if we see aggressive steps, it could be in part because of jay. >> if you're keeping score, and i don't blame you at home because it's a lot. but sekulow was someone who was perceived as biassed on the part of the fbi. we saw that argument gain more traction at least among conservatives. >> and sekulow is one of the advisors to trump that doesn't

want to sit down with mueller. i think it's interesting they're also considering a third option which is to provide written answers to the special counsel. there are others who say that mueller would never agree to that. mostly because trump himself is the subject of this investigation, whereas nixon who was the last president to provide written answers to president reagan, who was the last person to provide answers to, a special counsel, was not a target of the special counsel, but trump is, with the obstruction of justice aspect, and whether his campaign team did collude with the russians so they're really trying to figure out a best way for trump to into this interview and not perjure himself, which is remarkable, they are genuinely worried that he will lie to the special counsel. >> and lastly, karen, when you look at these reports from joe biden and say they really couldn't have done more before

the election, that's a bit of a reach, isn't there a larger argument that they should have done more? >> in terms of protecting the united states from having a foreign government influence our election? yes. >> i have to jump in, we're going to dip in and look at nancy pelosi's getting applause, surrounded by her colleagues. let's listen in as she has just finished her record breaking speech. >> it's a privilege to read the eloquent statement of the dreamers as they express their commitment to america, their commitment to their and their families futures. and i appreciate the extended commitment that you all extended and recommended these testimonials and to have so many of you here in the course of the day, a real tribute to the respect that we have for our dreamers. so i accept your applause on

behalf of them because it was their story in their words by and large that i told, in addition to the bible and the catholic conference of bishops and pope francis and pope benedict, so many other religious groups that we have. but i thanlik all of you and ou basic request is honor the house of representatives. give us a chance to have a vote on the floor. the republican leader in the senate -- >> there you hear, that is the core message from nancy pelosi, finishing up here an 8 hour and so minu 10 minute record breaking speech, the longest speech in the house of representatives, she's outlined what she wants and she says what democrats deserve is to have a vote on this long ruining feud between the president and daca.

i turn now to a colleague of nancy pelosi, congressman, so much to get to you about. we in the newsroom and from what i could see in other indications around the nation people watching your colleague nancy pelosi. what did she do? what does this achieve? do you get any closer to this daca vote? >> well, she used what we know is called the magic minute. it's a minute that's given to the leader of a minority, and there's no limit on the time she's able to speak on the house floor. but never in my years here in the house of representatives have i ever seen anyone use it so effectively and as long as nancy pelosi just did today. and i think show's doing that, ari, because this is something she believes in, she believes this is a civil rights issue about time. >> we're watching the live footage, she's high-fiving multiple members of congress. >> with that i yield back to maxine waters. >> and she's yielding to maxine

waters, someone who knows her way around parliamentary procedure herself. >> she's l ee's literally just from me here right now. >> it seems exceptional and it seems dramatic. and i ask you, how does this get you closer to the daca vote? and do you think that the senate democrats have wavered a little bit because they seem to be extending republican compromises and funding now, without getting -- i'm watching the same feeds as you are, i didn't see a daca vote and they want to do another funding cr is what they want to do. >> i think what she's speaking to, is that over 80% of americans that have expressed they want to see some type of solution for those folks who find themselves in daca today, in a state of limbo that the president has put them in. she's speaking more to the issue of civil rights and their future. so that's what i think is

significant in terms of what nancy pelosi did today. the house and the senate are two different animals. the same rules don't apply to the senate and the house of representatives. >> is it your view that mitch mcconnell broke the rules to hold the daca vote, i mean they did hold the shortest shutdown in american history. >> mitch mcconnell has said that he will actually bring legislation to the floor. paul ryan never made that commitment. in fact when they actually passed bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform in the senate, the house never took it up. what nancy pelosi is talking about tonight is a moral imperative and there's also an economic emperative he mperativ. but as soon as the president broadens the potential daca to

1.8, there are some on protective status that have been here for 25 years, their children and grandchildren and they're being told they will be sent home in six months. so the president is willing to take more hostages to get his wall built. we just don't want to see that happen. >> it's clearly an important issue and the debate continues. i thank you for joining us. i deal with facts congressman, i don't think you have ever given a 10-hour floor speech. >> what nancy pelosi did showed a lot of stamina and a lot of commitment. >> you're speaking to the law and the rules. >> the rules mean everything and the law unfortunately. i want to turn now to the next thing, because i told you and i meant it, we had a lot

here at the top of the show. we have a very special guest to dig into how a white house deals with a criminal probe. lanny davis you may recognize from the many hats he's worn, as special counsel when the house was investigating bill clinton, he's a long time lawyer and advocate of them. his new book "the unmaking of the president 2016" how james comey, the director of the fbi cost hillary clinton the presidency. the first thing i want to talk to you about is how a white house deals with the very dell at the situation of having an open probe. your grade of how the trump folks are dealing with it, and are they following one of the maxims that you have outlined over the years, which is be honest, be fast, be first. >> well, the answer was expose by this nonsense that the president taking the fifth amendment is his constitutional

right. so the answer is they couldn't be doing it more wrong. from every direction, every decision, it's about protecting the truth from coming out. if donald trump had nothing to worry about, i don't buy perjury traps, if he has the truth, he would speak the truth to mueller. taking the fifth amendment, i don't care what the rules are, that donald trump doesn't have to follow. the american people will not forgive a president taking the fifth. >> you think it's a bad look for a president in a probe? >> it goes against my rule in crisis management is that tell the truth, tell it early, and tell it all. but donald trump appears to be hiding the truth of any involvement with the russian meddling. >> i want to talk to you about zealous advocacy as a lawyer, anyone who's ever been in a

tough spot knows that sometimes your lawyer and your family hopefully are the only people in the world looking out for you, when you think about that and the role that a lawyer has in this situation, do you think donald trump has been well served by the range of lawyers that we followed, some he had from the civil world and he has moved on from them. one of our reporters was just mentioning some, are not criminal defense specialists, yet they're on this team. given your expertise in this space, how would you grade them? >> i grade jay sekulow and ty cobb who i don't know, i know jay for many years, very high respect. and i believe that mr. cobb's approach of being respectful toward mr. mueller has been the right approach. the problem they all face is the client not telling the truth. and they don't know what he knows. and so the whole issue whether he should testify is about oh, my goodness, suppose he says something and he actually tells the truth? if he's hiding something, he's in great danger, so the answer is on a crisis management grade,

i would give it a very poor grade. intellectual skills, jay and ty cobb and others, mr. mcgahn are all great lawyers. >> the only name i didn't hear you name was john dowd, we'll save that for another day. >> i don't know mr. dowd. >> you're arguing in your book, what about it is relative to today? in other words some people want to relive the old campaign, some people don't. but what about your argument or your relevant or legitimate for the trump presidency on the road ahead? >> i have something that's dramatic that shows on the morning of december 28, hillary clinton is up by a large margin, and she would carry the three states of michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. the graph on the left shows a high point of 7 or 8 points ahead, the comey letter is the black line, and look what happens, precipitously no other

explanation other than comey. now why do i write a book about that. >> why is that relevant now? >> because donald trump was not elected in an unimpaired free election, it was impaired by the intervention of an fbi director who broke all the rules, did not care about breaking the rules and only thought about himself. and i do agree with donald trump on one thing, james comey should have been fired but by barack obama because he violated all the rules, not because the reason donald trump had to fire him, which seemed to be an obstruction of justice effort. >> lanny davis, you put it all out there and i appreciate you coming on "the beat." the book if you're looking for it is "the unmaking of a president 2016." and my exclusive with other white house lawyer who has been a key figure in multiple cases.

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critics attacking it and that will probably help donald trump. >> we have to remember that we don't have money, if we're using our tax money about this man wanting his own individual parade, but we have to recognize that a lot of this money could go to our military, to our military families. so this is a waste of money. and if we didn't have other data points of this particular president, being one who needs to satisfy self-serving needs, then i don't think the question would be that intense. >> you have to look at why he's doing this, this has nothing to do with president trump himself. he's doing this to showcase the military men and women of this country and the hard work that they do. it's not unreligiasonable to ha parade. they told me this is all about showing the pride and

professionalism of the u.s. military and going out there and seeing the children watch these planes, these are warplanes, they drop bombs, but you have to respect the military because these are the men and women who are keeping us safe every single day, and i made phone calls to some friends who are retired and active military and they think it's a good idea. >> it is actually a lot of money and it is actually in d.c. and there are other ways that we can show support for our military personnel, not wasting money. if we had money in the bank, that's one thing, and i don't know if the republican party has looked at the books, but we're broke right now and everybody knows it. we are still in two wars, there are individuals in this war that weren't even born when they started. so to have a parade in front of trump tower which we know it would be--

>> do you like that he got the idea from france? >> i don't dislike it, some said oh, he's channeling his dislike for kim jong-un. >> are you say -- i don't want to take it not too seriously, "washington post" talks about concerns that this might elicit north korean style nationalism instead of patriotism. and he said he got the idea from france. >> it's interesting to see how people perceive this and take it in the headlines today. if you have trump derangement syndrome, then you compare it to japan or russia or any other evil dictators. north korea, they're starving their people. >> christina, i think you raise an interesting question. stephanie races the point that

sometimes the instant this president does something there would be an instant freak out and if president obama had proposed a military parade, would there will be a problem? >> part of this parade is to show these missiles and bombs which we never felt like we had an erratic president in obama and bush and bush 41 and reagan where they wake up one morning and say i actually want to use this button and it's mine so i can. we don't actually need a display of our might, because we're genuinely afraid that this man might use it for no reason at all. >> i want to thank you both for the parade debate, we had it, we had it here, we had both sides. up next, a democratic candidate flipping a house seat and why democrats -- and serve with confidence that it's safe.

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beyond washington but it may offer clues as to who could win this year's midterms. donald trump is tweeting about the volatile stock market and a private company's stock launch. apparently that's what he wants people to look at. here's something donald trump is not tweets tonight, democrats won a house piece in a state trump won by 18 points. how? they didn't turn to a kennedy or a clinton. they ran a first-time candidate, here's 27-year-old mike rivas filling out an election form in december. in a special election to fill a seat and this was after the incumbent had quit to run for a different office. but that's one race, right? does it say anything about a larger trend? what if we could somehow know how all these local races tacked up? we do. democrats in missouri

outperformed hillary clinton in two races by 18 and 25 points even when they lost to republicans. last night's race was now the 35th seat that has changed from red to blue in the year since trump became president. another seat dems have their eye on, which is texas who has an open seat in the house. here's first-time veteran and iraq war veteran, who was previously a federal worker who says she quit her job because of trump's policies. and if she wins, she would be the first latina in texas to win a house in congress. republican governor scott walker says he won't even hold special elections, instead leaving the seats vacant, that's how worried he is that democrats will take them. look at this map that republicans proposed.

it would say that even if dems got about 50% of the vote, under a gop jerr jerrgerrymandered se of the seats. i ask you, how is that even legal? i have news for you, it's not. >> the pennsylvania supreme court threw out the state's congressional map. it ruled that districts had been so heavily jergerrymandered to p republicans that it violated the constitution. >> 13 of the state's 18 congressional districts went to republicans in to 2016. that's 13 republican, five democratic, that is a district that's completely out of whack in the swing state. >> you know who else thought it was whack, the supreme court. overruling the republican power

grab, so that means democrats should be on pace to get more of the map. but look at the subject line from pennsylvania representative chris dutsche, threatening to impeach republicans who held on to that power grab map. this is as a factual matter is what it looks like, this is the evidence of what happens when some politicians realize they can't hold on to power by just winning a majority and they start ftrying to undermine your democracy. in past history, democrats have used jergerrymandering, but this one member of the republican party joining these kind of members taking actions to undercut democracy. eric holder tied all this

gerrymandering together that he calls racial attacks like voter id. >> where we see the greatest amount of gerrymandering, during the last round of redistricts in texas, north carolina. >> big new report in the "new york times" today as well, which said that holder is determined to deny republicans so-called trifectas in state governments won through these tactics. i'm joined by that very candidate, as well as a broader national perspective. jess, is all this just sort of happening at once, or is this a coordinated campaign? >> it's both. you're seeing it from the grass roots up and you're seeing infrastructure organizations, committees, the democratic party infrastructure really take this

opportunity and run with it well. for a long time democrats have known that the key to everything was turning people out in races that were not the every four years presidential. democrats are very good at getting their folks to come out then and really genuinely, historically pretty bad at getting folks to care about special elections, house races, state legislative races, ballot initiatives, those little things that republicans have outorganized us on in terms -- those are the things that add up to make national federal policy, those are the leaders of tomorrow that we are electing today, those are the people who are going to make the laws that affect you at home the most. so if we can solve this problem, that's the whole ball game, and what's happened in 2017 and beginning in 2018, is we are seeing voter turnout that suggests progressives have cracked the code to getting their voters to care about these local elections. we're seeing 46% turnout in special legislative elections that ought to be garnering 9% or

10% turnout. even in the races we lost last night, you're seeing double digit turnout. >> if somebody is watching at home, okay i just said that, you just said that, but they're not hearing that, they're hearing about trump, these are not state that is democrats just pick up state hughes seouse seats rando. >> so far it doesn't matter that this hasn't been a bigger national story, i think it will be as we move into a midterm election year. >> early voting starts in texas next month. if we put up folks that excite the base and talk about issues that matter, my district was narrowly lost by hillary clinton -- when -- this is a race that we loses, not that

they win. >> when a voter asks you, what's the biggest reason they should vote for you? >> i'm going to fight for them. i know exactly what it's like to be them, i am from the area, i, at my core understand that there are not a lot of kids that go from reduced launch to federal office. this is about protecting those opportunities that allowed me to grow up healthy, get an education and serve my country. >> and you think texas democrats are talking too much about trump or not enough? >> texas democrats are talking about what affects them every single day, and the fact that we have the highest infant mortality rate. and the fact that we need to be investing in real economic opportunity. equitable economic opportunity and a fair immigration system that does not include a wall. >> we'll be watching your race. i have two big questions, one,

why did democratic senator bob menendez just beat corruption charges? and two, why did jared kushner agree with the firing of jim comey. we're back in 90 seconds. gas, bloating, constipation and diarrhea

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democrats just a -- facing corruption charges. >> tonight one of the most influential democrats in washington, senator robert menendez in new jersey has been indicted, facing criminal corruption charges. >> reporter: it has implications on what the u.s. senate could be. >> the trial begins in the first federal bribery case involving a sitting senator in more than three decades. >> federal prosecutors touted a strong case with a range of evidence showing menendez took $751,000 from a doctor who wasn't in menendez's state. prosecutors argue this is quit pro quo, the legal strategy was what everyone thought of the underlying activity, it was friends vacationing not a donor giving benefits. >> this jury would not could not and did not return a verdict

that validated any of the government's charges. and at the end of the day, the fundamental reason for that is that this is what happens when you put a real 25-year friendship on trial. >> that strategy didn't work on enough jurors, the case ended in a jury deadlock. >> following more than a week of deliberations. >> they got it confused that this man wants to take him on any flight. why does it have to be a gift? >> the plan to retry the case then folded dropping the all the charges against menendez. abby lowell represented menendez and former nevada senator john ensign, thanks for being with

me. >> i'm happy to be here, thanks. >> why did your strategy work? >> i think my hour, it's a collective effort, strategy worked, because from the daycei this case, it had a hidden flaw, it alleged a corrupt relationship when there was only a real friendship. the defense strategy was just to expose that flaw, it wasn't that we were all that creative, it wasn't that we were all that talented. it was that when you had a flaw that was so fundamental to the very core of the government's charges, our job was to peel back the layers and expose the flaw. >> if you couldn't prove that there was some kind of friendship would these acts then become illegal? >> not necessarily, and that is again a little bit technical, so i'll try to make it untechnical. >> i have a few reasons, the viewers can handing it. go ahead. >> there's two things going on here, in order to have a public

corruption case, at the core you need to have a corrupt relationship, you have to have a quit pro quo, you have to an agreement of this for that, that is predicated on some corrupt relationship. a real friendship tears away at the quid pro quo. the other side of the equation is the quo, which is the action for the act. and in this case what the senator was charged with, was taking actions consistent with his spirit and his history, but all of which were within the discretion of the executive branch. >> i want to veer from menendez and ask you about policy, because as you know, a lot of americans across the spectrum are concerned about money and politics an potential corruption, so i wonder if this case from the supreme court and now your case which was a case of vindication, provides a road where people can say they're

really good friends with 10 or 20 or 100 donors and get away with things through friendship alleged that otherwise they wouldn't. >> friendship isn't the solution to all allegations of corruption. in some theoretical way, a friend could still corrupt a friend. however not in the way that the government said that these alleged bribes occurred. these weren't bags of cash hidden in refrigerators, these weren't gold relics, watches, in fact the only watch that was ever in evidence in this case was the one that senator menendez gave his friend, not the other way around. >> do you know what ultimately delivered it for the jurors that you did find agreed with you? we have just discussed a couple of topics. was there a one big thing? >> i think there was. we have interviewed, i think now probably six or seven of the jurors and two or three of the four alternates so we have really spoken to quite a number of them. not all of them. i think what happened is that we

all exposed that flaw. and what the jury said was, this is a real friendship, number one, the kinds of things that they were doing together, personal hospitality, staying at a house, going on the guy's own private plane with other people that were going anyway, having a perfectly proper campaign contribution are what friends do. there was nothing that was peculiar about that. so you establish the friendship, you show that the gifts are in keeping with the friendship and you show that his actions are in keeping with his history and those are three things that the jurors glommed on to. >> and another client of yours is jared kushner. he spoke to the special counsel reportedly in november. will he speak to robert mueller again? or is he done with that? >> not mixing apples and oranges, and i can only state the obvious which is that mr. kushner has cooperated with all relevant requests and all relevant bodies. >> do you think he will talk to mueller again?

>> there is no reason he would not respond what he has done, he's been cooperative with any legal entity. >> i read in the "wall street journal" that you said that jared kushner supported the termination of jim comey as a decision by president trump. did he also support the stated rationale that russia was on the president's mind? >> i don't understand that question, i'm sorry. i mean what i have said and i say it again here, is that when he was told about the decision, he supported it. and why he supported it and what else was going on at the time really is not something that i think anybody is really c conjectured about. but, look, i for one, and let me sort of remind folks about this, as somebody who did not come from the republican side of events. back last summer, the summer before this summer, and then in the fall before the election, i was as strong a voice as anybody that what fbi director comey did was wrong, violated the precedence of the justice

department and the fbi. was absolutely untoward and really undermined his ability to be a leader of that agency. and i too would have been one of the voices that said that a president of the united states should seriously consider whether his actions merited his being fired. and so what's ironic in that way is that you had for a long time, what, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of public official democrats all over the country yelling and screaming for director comey to be fired and ultimately that was what happened and it was deserved. people can question timing and events and language, but he had obviously undermined his own ability to lead that agency and i think we have to leave it at that. >> it you go there, there's wide legal expertise in support for part of the argument you just made, but isn't the legal question that bob mueller has that it was about stopping an investigation, like the russia

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what fbi director comey did was wrong. violated the precedence of the justice department and the fbi, was absolutely untoward. and really undermined his ability to be a leader of that agency. and i too would have been one of the voices that said that a president of the united states should seriously consider whether his actions merited his being fired. >> that was moments ago here on the beat". jared kushner's criminal defense attorney why is james comey deserved to be fired. i'm joined by joyce vance, former federal prosecutor. what struck you about the interview? >> it's a really remarkable

jump, right to the chase. this is the key question for kushner. if he supported the firing of jim comey, what was his motive? and you know, ari, what i always notice is that it might have been fair and legitimate for the president to replace jim comey when he walked in the door at the white house thinking that he didn't like how comey handled the hillary clinton investigation. but it doesn't look like that's what actually happened. there is a gap of several weeks if not months. and then he suddenly comes up with this idea that he was going to fire comey, tells russians in the oval office that was due to comey's involvement in the russia case. i finally got that monkey off my back and goes on national television and tells the american public it was really about russia. so although abby lowell tries to side step the question a little bit, he doesn't really answer it. i'm sure what bob mueller asked jared kushner about but perhaps more importantly than asking

tried to discern from other sources was kushner also concerned about comey because of the investigation. >> there are reports we haven't confirmed but in books like "fire and fury" and elsewhere and steve bannon has done his share of casting aspersions about that, what did you think of the defense attorney saying he doesn't understand the question but here are the previous democratic criticisms of comey which is true. we had lanny davis today on the show mad at comey. >> right. he immediately tolded you he didn't understand the question. and then he proceeded to answer it. but we both know that will abby lowell is a great lawyer, the kind of defense lawyer that you hire when you intend to go to the mattresses, not when you intend to plead out early on in the case. he has to realize that the issue here is whether or not kushner was involved in terminating comey because comey was perceived as being a threat. >> right. joyce vance, a busy news night. thank you for making time for us. >> thanks for having me. >> we're going to fit in a break

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our show began with nancy pelosi making parliamentary history, the longest speech ever on the floor of the house calling for the daca vote. we wrap up with a little programming note. eric holder will be on the rachel maddow show tonight. something worth watching "hardball" starts now. misfire. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm matthews in washington. it's become clear this week republicans on capitol hill are carrying out a show trial against the fbi. we're seeing it play out on a near nightly basis. the republican chairman of numerous committees have closed ranks and using a three-pronged attack to impugn the overall credibility of the fbi.