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is including the unexpected sudden resignation resignation. also tonight within the last hour, within 20 minutes, in fact, president trump announcing he will not approve the release of that democratic memo a response to you the infamous devin nunes memo last week but just moments ago, right before he came on air, "washington post" reporting another sudden resignation of another white house official amid allegations of spousal abuse. in case there was any doubt how it happened to begin with that a man accused rob porter of abusing his two ex-wives who reported their stories to the fbi and shared documentation of what they say he did to them was allowed to continue working at the highest levels of the white house. today, the president of the united states made it very clear. he made it clear who he
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believes, how he views domestic violence and how the culture of this white house said at the very top encouraged rob porter to stay on the job until the press forced his hand. because these were the president's first public comments on porter's departure. >> well, we wish him well. he worked very hard. i found out about it recently and i was surprised by it. but we certainly wish him well. it's a obviously tough time for him. he did a very good job when he was in the white house. and we hope he has a wonderful career, and hopefully he will have a great career ahead of him. but it was very sad when we heard about it, and certainly he's also very sad. now, he also, as you probably know, he says he's innocent. and i think you have to remember that. he said very strongly yesterday that he's innocent. so you'll have to talk to him
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about that, but we absolutely wish him well. did a very good job while he was at the white house. >> you will note probably that there was absolutely zero mention of the two women who say rob porter terrorized them while they were married whom he allegedly kicked and pudged in the face and berated endlessly who in one case has to obtain an emergency protective order to escape his abuse and whose lies were upended by what he put them through. >> by the end of about three years of marriage, i was sort of a shell of a person. and a muted version of the woman that i had been when i met rob. >> the president of the united states couldn't even bring himself to go through the motions of condemning domestic violence in the abstract. as we saw with the white nationalist murder in charlottesville, this president cannot bring himself to denounce an obvious and flagrant evil standing in front of his eyes when to do so would defy his own interests and inclinations.
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the more we learn what his staff knew about porter and when they found out, the clearer it becomes they take this issue just as seriously as the president does. today white house chief of staff john kelly told reporters he first learned about the extent of the allegations tuesday night. >> can you clarify to us exactly, there's been a lot of reporting about the timeline and when you found out about things. can you just clarify that. >> tuesday night. >> you find out tuesday night. >> that the accusations were true. 20 minutes later he was gone. >> 40 minutes later he was gone. that echoes the story that kelly directed senior staff to adopt in a meeting this morning according to "the washington post." telling those in attendance to say he took action to remove porter within 40 minutes of learning the abuse allegations were credible. but with hour of that meeting, staff were already leaking to "the post" that his account was false which is plainly and painfully obvious from the public record that anyone can
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examine. because on tuesday night when kelly says he first found out the accusations were true, he put out a statement defending rob porter calling him a man of true integrity and honor, a friend, a confidante and a trust professional. then the next morning after photos were published of porter's first wife with a black eye, white house officials told "the post" that kelly was still standing by porter, in fact, was urging him to stay on the job. we also know every reports that senior trump aides have known for months about the allegations against porter including white house counsel don mcgahn who was first alerted over a year ago and kelly himself who learned last fall of the allegations were holding up porters area security clearance. today kelly explained he wasn't told the details. >> you had some indication, right? last year about the nature of -- >> in november i did an update on some of the investigations. and the uptake was there was
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some things that needed to be looked into. literally, that was it. >> it's a little hard to square that claim with a report from politico that kelly was told several weeks ago that the fbi would recommend denying full security clearances to multiple white house aides including porter. at that senior staff meeting this morning, according to "post," the chief of staff told subordinates to convey to other white house aides he cares about domestic violence and moments ago, moments ago, washington "washington post" break the story that a second white house aide has resigned because of allegations of domestic abuse which he denies. late tonight, a breaking report the president is privately questioning the credibility of rob porter's accusers. i'm joined by one of the authors of this report. tell me what you found in your reporting today? >> what my and my colleagues have found is that over the past couple of days, the president of the united states has been privately raising questions to
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both aides and long-time friends and con if i dans about the credibility of the allegations against mr. porter. he has been repeatedly asking if there are any reasons that people have uncovered as to why these women could be lying about this. so this is a president who is clearly not ready to accept both privately and publicly his former staff secretary could be capable capable of these credible allegations leveled against him. >> or he's an individual who doesn't believe, he believes that women are liars. >> well, that was certainly the case -- look, it's the standard operating procedure of not just the president but of the trump white house in situations like this. the president of the united states took the exact same playbook and ran with it when it came to former alabama senate candidate roy moore. he took the same playbook when it came to roger ailes. bill o'reilly. mike tyson.
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many years before he became president when it came to sexual assault allegations. and the standing position, the official position of the trump white house is that all the women many of them who are accusing the current sitting president of sexual misconduct are themselves all lying. so the sad thing is, this is all par for the course. there's nothing particularly surprising about any of this. >> i just want to sort of highlight something important here because it's very important from what you mentioned. in the caves roy moore, there was identical reporting he was privately saying he thought the women were lying. in this case, we have him privately not just publicly out of necessity he has to say they're lying because it's a pr defense but genuinely believes that roy moore who is accused of molesting a child when he was district attorney and multiple women coming forward, two different women independently abuse allegations, documentation, a straining
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order, all of that is fabricated and made up? >> we have not heard of reporting that the president has been saying that they have been fabricating, just that he is finding plenty of substantive reason at least in president trump's eyes to cast doubt on it or at least question the veracity or the credibility of these allegation. look, like whatever he is saying or musing about or pitching in private to aides and confidantes it's literally the easiest thing in the world to come out and say publicly as he should have said this morning or yesterday or whatever that domestic abuse is bad and we take these allegations of spousal abuse very seriously. >> yeah, it was a notable absence in both kelly's statement and the president's statement any pro forma condemnation. quickly word just late breaking that the speechwriter resigned amidst allegation afc domestic abuse. do you know anything about that? >> well, i've been trying to gather information in the seat as it's been breaking.
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and all that we've received from the white house so far and again, we're still trying to confirm information about this is that a, this position did not require a security clearance. and b, that the background check was ongoing. now, we still have a lot of double and triple checking to do with that. it feels like there's another shoe or two to drop on this. >> i think that's a good instincting. > yeah. >> saw win suebsaeng, thanks for your great reporting. > done nab, and michelle goldberg op-ed columnist from the "new york times." i think the president and john kelly have genuinely and honestly and earnestly revealed who they are and what their feelings are about this matter this week. >> john kelly in particular can almost be forgiven for not understanding what the big deal was with a high level aide who smacks his wife around because this administration has been full of people like that. you know, steve bannon is
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someone else who had very credible accusations of domestic violence against his second wife although they were dismissed when she didn't show up to testify against him. >> there was a restaining order. >> there wassing that trump nicknamed him bam bam which tells you how he sees the seriousness bam bam, hawaii, smacks his wife around. ivana trump in their divorce in a deposition gotten by one of trump's biographers said i think what's gotten attention is she said he raped her but she also talked about her throwing her down on the beds in a rage and ripping out handfuls of her hair. pud zer. trump's first appointee for labor secretary had to resign when it turned out that his wife had been on oprah. disguise and anonymously talk -- it was an episode i think was high class battered, high class battered women.
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and although pud zer, his nomination was tore me doeded they're looking to find a way to bring him back in a way that doesn't require senate confirmation. this is not considered particularly outrageous in the milieu in which this president lives. >> i have to say, donna, i was thinking about you and i know you worked in domestic violence. to watch the president say that today, we feel sorry for him, it felt like a really mean smack in the face is what i want to say to people that work in this field, to survivors of this and to 40 years of work to say that this kind of thing isn't just some private matter that you just scoff off. >> this is exactly why it is so difficult for women to come forward because they know that they will be met with this kind of denial propping up the abuser, disdescribing him as nice to them so therefore, it means that he could not possibly have committed violence.
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and you know, i mean when you look at porter's behavior it's one woman and then another woman and apparently a girlfriend. i wouldn't be surprised if there were more because it's a pattern of abusive behavior that is learned behavior. and he picks and chooses his victims. clearly he didn't go to the white house and beat up everybody there. he beat up women that he -- that he knew and that he had a relationship with. and so you know, i guess i'm not surprised anymore by the white house's response. i mean, the president's response to me was reminiscent, of course, of roy moore, but also of charlottesville. you know, you know, both sides you know and really covering for porter. and i think at his heart because the president has been accused of very similar behavior himself, i mean let's not forget the 12 women who have accused him of harassment and assault, that he can't possibly take the
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side and understand the plight of women who are trying to survive domestic violence. and the white house is filled with them. and so it actually wasn't a sock to me to hear the story. what's shocking is don mcgahn and chief of staff kelly sat on this information clearly for months and months and months. and allowed porter to have access to our most secret documents and to continue to work in the white house. and frankly, had he not been found out, he would still be there. >> 100% is clear. in kelly's case, this nugget i thought was interesting he appeared as a character witness in 2016 court-martial of a marine colonel accused of sexually harassing two female sub hjorth nats and praised him as a suburb marine officer. telly, there's conflicting will reporting of him offering to resign. is he lying. there's no other word to describe i try to be charitable
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in my deployment of the word. he's lying in a bald faced plain obvious way what went down. >> he does that. he slied will frederica wilson. and that's kind of the hallmark of this administration is to lie about what's right in front of your face. and one of the reasons i think -- we all know there have been women pouring into politics. one of the reasons that i think so many women have been truly traumatized by this administration is that they look at these men and know who they are. any woman who has dealt with a violent unhinged man sees these men for what they are. and part of that is not just the abuse, not just the anger but the gas lighting, the constant kind of lying what's right in fronts of your face, this weird way that they destabilize you by denying reality. >> donna, do you think that kelly and mcgahn have to go? >> i think they do. i would have thought that kelly would have to go last week when
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he disparaged dreamers but apparently that wasn't enough either. it's not really clear to me that the president is willing to let go of people he thinks -- he thinks are standing out there sort of protecting his white house protecting him. do i think he has to go, yes. will it matter? no, it won't. the president of the united states himself is engaged in this kind of behavior. he's protected this kind of behavior. we have no reason to believe that he won't continue to do the same and unless it's uncovered, you're safe in the white house. >> there are still a lot of explaining that has to come out of the white house. we don't know how all this went down. before we end here, i want to say colby holderness and jennifer willoughby are the two women who have shown remarkable strength and courage to come forward to talk to the fbi to go public with their stories. i just don't want to lose sight of them as individuals as people in an schmidtst this maelstrom. we're talking about there now because they took the risk of
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coming forward. donna edwards, michelle goldberg, thank you for joining us. >> more breaking news. the white house issues a letter saying they will not release the response to the democratic memo. plus raiched brand's sudden resignation at the department of justice. what it means for mueller probe in two minutes. hi, i'm the internet! you know what's difficult? armless bowling. ahhhhhhhh! you know what's easy? building your website with godaddy. get your domain today and get a free trial of gocentral. build a better website in under an hour.
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the number three official at the justice department is out. leaving her post according to a report in the "new york times" which has been confirmed by nbc news in a move that could have far reaching implications if president trump decides to escalate his attacks on the mueller investigation. rachel brand, the associate attorney general at the department of justice since may 2017 will be stepping down after just nine months in that position to pursue a job in the private sector. two sources familiar with her plans tell nbc news she found the job irresistible. the chain of command at the department of justice and its direct oversight of the investigation with mueller is nor striking and alarming than ever.
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attorney general jeff sessions we accused himself from the investigation which leaves rosenstein the second in command. if president trump were to fire rosenstein his current solicitor general noel francisco would be the man overseeing mueller and would have the direct ability to fire him. that could fa phil sill tate the end of robert mueller as special counsel. a former u.s. thorne worked with rachel brand as a clerk for supreme court justice anthony kennedy, justice analyst matt miller a former chief spokesperson for the department of justice under president obama. let me start with you, harry. knowing rachel brand, having been very high up in a political position at the doj, what do you make of this? >> look, what i don't make of it is that the walmart offer was just irresistible and she couldn't say no. i mean, in terms of why she left, there's a sort of divide in washington between the kind of credentialed conservatives
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and the traditional stripe and then the kind of trump infidel. she's very much in the first camp and that correlates with people who would be more likely to resign than top fire bob mueller. but for her, you know, there's a lot of reports how miserable it is to work there. i think that's right. it's miserable not just day to day there but in the whole sort of dinner party circuit. her the people she you know goes around town with they know and think that the president is a repellent figure. she has to sort of defend working for this kind of mussolini like guy day in and day out. second, if there is to be the sort of bloodletting and bedlam that trump sometimes threatens, it's a smart move on her part because better to not even have her fingerprints on it than to be have the kind of heroic move
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of resigning. if she's out of it, it just means that's one less point of controversy, one mark not to discuss when the next job comes around. those i think are the two big points. and the magical allure of walmart general council is i think the least of it. >> that seems a plausible scenario that you painted. i should say elian na johnson, a very good white house reporter for.3lit cosaid the white house are in a state of crisis. rachel brand is leaving for somebody close to her and admin because she is very smart, accomplished and talent and wants to protect her career, she's going to walmart this source says. matt, what does this do to the way you think about the integrity and independence of the justice department. >> the pressure on the independence of the department is one of the reasons she's probably leaving. it's a miserable place to work right now. but often if you're the associate ag, you would stick around because you want the
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opportunity to either become the deputy attorney general or the attorney general. let's face it, those aren't great jobs to aspire to right now. you know if you take one of those jobs, at some point the president is going to ask you to do sboit inappropriate, maybe something illegal. why would you want that job? harry has it right she found an escape hatch to get out of the department. the big question now is what it means for the future of the mueller investigation. as long as rod rosenstein stays in his job, it means nothing. if he were to find himself having to recuse which is a very real possibility, i think a lot of long-time doj watchers like myself are puzzled he hasn't recused himself yet given his role in the comey firing, if he ever does, the supervision of that investigationing will fall to the person in in job. and so at some point we'll have a no knee for this job and the senate will get to ask hard questions about this person and presumably extract pledges not to meddle with mueller. in the meantime, that job can be
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filled by an acting official, could be a u.s. attorney, someone else, someone like scott pruitt. and in that case, you have to really wonder what happens if rosenstein takes himself out of the line of fire. >> that as a great fire because they have used the vacancies act aggressively. pushing in every conceivable direction pushing the envelope how long you can have people in senate confirmed positions without confirmation as actings. the vacancies act allows anyone senate confirmed to be put in the position. noel francisco right now is the solicitor general. my question is i saw a lot of people react to rachel brand's departure as upset because they felt that she was a figure of integrity, ha she had trust and reputation and this meant in some ways the pressure of the president is putting on doj is working. is that your take away? >> i think so. seize i stalwart, a total pro.
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and she's and chore within the department. there are a few others but she's certainly one for those people who want to actually have the traditional doj mission of the rule of law. you know, i thought immediately back when we got her the news to the video from a week ago where sessions is you know, ungsiously showering her and rosenstein with praise and she seeps on stage to be a little uncomfortable. maybe she's a good midwesterner but part of her is thinking i'm out of here in a week. >> yeah, i want to -- i want to play that and get your response to that, matt. >> okay. >> thank you, rachel for your kind words and more importantly, for your strong leadership as our third in command of the department. those two are rod and rachel are harvard graduates. they're experienced lawyers. rachel has had a number of years in the department previously. and so they both represent the
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kind of quality and leadership that we want in the department. >> the pictures is worth a thousand words, the facial expressions of the number two and number three at the justice department. >> that's right. look, they're sitting there wondering you know, what is he talking about. it is a not very well kept secret around washington that people in the department and this includes republican political appointees do not like working for jeff sessions. and it's for a number of reasons but one of the big ones is, he just failed to lead this department. failed to stand up and defend the department. you never see him talk about the career officials and their work the way he talked about rachel and rod in that clip. i think you see her finding just a graceful way to exit this place that just hasn't been any fun for anyone over the last year. and in her case over the last nine months. >> and we're going to find out soon who that replacement is. that is a very important thing to watch. harry lipman and matt miller, thank you both.
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coming up the other breaking news tonight. president trump is blocking the democratic response to the nunes memo. more on that ahead.
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the porter scandal has revealed some serious security issues for the trump administration. according to "washington post," white house counsel don mcgahn knew about rob porter's domestic abuse allegations for a year and did nothing. "in january 2017 when mcgahn learned of the allegations he wanted porter to stay because he saw the harvard law train add capitol hill veteran as a steadying professional voice in the white house. his view didn't change in june when the fbi flagged some of its findings to the white house nor did he act in september when the
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he learned the domestic violence claims were delaying his security clearance or in november when porter's former girlfriend contacted him about the allegations according to these people. throughout all that, rob porter was still allowed to keep his position handling some of the most sensitive information that made its way to the president's desk, handling all the papers that made their way to the president's desk and doing this for a full year without being grant aid permanent security clearance. that's just the half of it. "washington post" reported last night that dozens of white house employees are awaiting permanent security clearances while cnn says that 30 to 40 white house officials in the administration political appointees are still operating without full security clearances. one of those aides according to both reports is the president's son-in-law jared kushner. politico reports john kelly was told several weeks ago that the fbi would recommend denying full security clearances to multiple white house aides who had been working in the west wing on interim security clearances. including rob porter.
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how is it possible that so many people without full security clearance are working at the white house? "washington post" post provided a potential answer in a story that broke the last hour. those in don mcgahn's office feel they cannot take action on other people whose background collection dragged on because they did not take similar steps with kushner.
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yet more big breaking news tonight. propose announcing within the last hour he will not will not
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be declassifying a democratic house intelligence memo that was drafted to rebut a republican memo claiming the fbi improperly obtained an order to wiretap a former trump official. of course, after he left the campaign. white house council don mcgahn writing a letter saying concerns from are the fbi and doj and reads while the president is incollided to declassify the february 5th memorandum, is he unable to do so at this time. with mena tasha, from the atlantic, ned price former special assistant to president obama and former spokesperson and senior director of the national security council. natasha, are you surprised by this. >> not particularly. i'm surprised the trump administration would take this kind of representational risk and do something so completely obvious. you had the doj come out with a letter that essentially said that the fbi and doj had grave concerns and the fbi had its own
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at the same time saying they had gave concerns about the release of the nunes memo and its potential impact on "uss national security. devin nunes did not even show his memo to the fbi and doj before he gave it to the white house. there was no vetting by the doj and fbi of the nunes memo and trump essentially declassified it immediately and saying a day later it vindicated him. when it comes to the democrats rebuttal written by adam schiff and adam schiff is the one who has actually seen the underlying fisa application that these memos are based on, nunes has not seen the material, trump all of a sudden is very concerned about the impact it could have on national security. he's all of a sudden very concerned with the doj and the fbi's input into this whereas he clearly was not when it came to the republicans memo. >> ned, the argument i've seen from republicans is this is a longer memo. john kelly saying it's ten pages and goes into a lot more detail.
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i've seen seen speculation that the democrats have played the so festicated game in which they laid a trap by writing a memo that couldn't possibly be declassified there be cornering the white house into having to block it. >> with no offense to adam schiff, that may be giving the democrats too much credit. the blame lies with the white house, not the credit going to the democrats for some strategy that may be too clever by half. but i natasha is right. this is absolutely a study in contrasts. the president even before he saw the republican memo was 100% certain that he would declassify it and when he did, not a single word was re-redacted, chris. when you read don mcgahn's cover letter, he even states in there that the fbi and doj, the same entities that had vo sis tremendous warnings about the implications of releasing the republican memo, that it deemed portions of the democrats' memo to be classified. the question is why not offer a
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redacted version back to the committee if trump is so committed to having this get out. instead it was wholesale denied and in doing so, chris, i think what president trump has done as weaponized and politicized intelligence. he's trying to use this and use the republican memo itself as a partisan political cudgel. that is why he does not want the democratic memo out. >> natasha, that sheems to have been the directory of all this since people started tweeting #release the memo out of nowhere a few weeks ago. this entire thing began as a kind of partisan faipt by nunes. i guess the question is, does this escalate here? what can the house democrats now do? >> well, it's definitely going to escalate because now people will wonder, what's in the democratic memo. >> i want to read it. i wanted to read them both. my feeling is yeah, sure, i would like to read both of them. >> exactly. it's going to be like what's in the democratic memo that the president doesn't want the public to see, what in it is
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going to be redacted and why are we prevented from examining that information for ourselves. i think it's worth giving the fbi and doj the benefit of the doubt here. in that let, don mcgahn did say the fbi and doj have recommendations to make they will then send back to the committee and democrats will have to review those and essentially compare them with the recommendations that the fbi and doj have already given them. remember the democratic memo was already provided to the doj and fbi to review for potential redactions. they have to see if any political redactions were made by the white house in an effort to conceal something that the white house perhaps doesn't want to get out. ultimately, this has become a completely politicized game. that's made all the more clear by the fact that the white house is blocking its release tonight. >> ned as someone who worked at the cia and nsc what, do you make of what has happened to one of the two main oversight bodies for the intelligence community over in the house intelligence
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committee? >> well, look, chris, this is not the first time that we've seen partisan squabbles within the intelligence community. we've never seen the intensity like this before. all commit has essentially broken down within the house. the senate seems to be doing much better but the house has come to a standstill. my worry is that there there be tremendous implications for congress' ability to conduct its critical oversight role. by releasing the nunes memo sight unseen, the intelligence community is going to be more sparing in whatting it actually provides to the oversight committees knowing that their information could just go wholesale be made public. and similarly, i think we're going to see intelligence analysts and intelligence officials this twice or even three times before they do what used to be routine. submit fisa applications, unmask the identity of terrorists and other spies and others. and the implications of that are profound for our national
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security. >> all right. natasha bertrand and ned price, thanks for joining us. >> coming up, we now have more details about the latest resignation from the white house over domestic violence. it follows the same pattern as our handling of rob porter. that reporting is ahead.
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thing 1 tonight, infrastructure week. the theme that became a punch line and symbol of this president's inability to stay anywhere remotely close to on message. last year before the first instruct week event at 11:00 a.m. monday june 5th, things has already gone off the rails. shortly after 6:00 a.m., trump blew up his legal defense for his travel restrictions declaring the latest version was still a travel ban. by 10:00 p.m. he called london's mayor pathetic in the wake i've terror attack happening in that city. those stories already eclipsed any news on infrastructure but
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trump piled on taking credit on tuesday for the decision by arab nation tosses cuts ties with qatar, u.s. michelle partner. by thursday, james comey was testifying about trump's loyalty test and potential obstruction of justice while trump responded by accusing him of perjury while pence insists this is fine. >> folks, it's already been a banner week for infrastructure. >> i forgot. well, infrastructure week is back, baby. there's already one big problem related to infrastructure. that's thing 2 in 60 seconds.
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what about infrastructure? when is that going to happen. >> we're going to do infrastructure very quickly. we've got the plan largely completed and we'll be filing over the next two or three weeks, maybe sooner. >> two or three weeks he said his infrastructure plan would be out in two or three weeks, nearly 41 beck's ago. the white house still hasn't released a plan. now officials claim they have a
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plan coming out this monday. trump has promised a trillion dollars of infrastructure spending. there's one problem. trump and republicans have done some serious spending already. especially their $1.5 trillion tax cut plan. nbc news reports today that gary cohn in a late january discussion with the president believed he finally convinced trump lease no room for a masstive infrastructure spending bill. that can make trump's long awaited plan a tougher sell than he thought. >> we're going to get infrastructure. infrastructure is the easiest of all. we're very well on our way. infrastructure is by far the easiest. people want it, republicans and democrats. i could have started with infrastructure. i actually wanted to save the easy one for the one down the road. so we'll be having that done pretty quickly.
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one of the leaders of the effort to keep tyson out of prison is donald trump. the casino owner who could lose millions if tyson is unable to fight at his resorts.
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>> it's my opinion that to a large extent mike tyson was railroaded in this case. you have a young women in his hotel room late in the evening at her own will. you have a young woman who was seen dancing for beauty contest dancing with a big smile on her face looked happy as could be. snif throughout his 40 years notice public eye donald trump has been all over the map on plenty of issues but never wavered when it comes to his views towards women and the men accuses of harming them. remember when michelle fields accused corey lewandowski of forcefully grabbing her. she tweeted out a picture of her bruises. trump wasn't buying it. >> how do you know those bruise weren't there before? i'm not a lawyer. she said she had a bruise on her arm. to me, you know, if you're going to get squeezed wouldn't you think she would have yelled out a scream or something. >> trump's response to senate candidate roy moore being accused of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old girl and having
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sexual contact with a 14-year-old. >> he totally denies it. he says it didn't happen. and you know, you have to listen to him also. you're talking about he said 40 years ago this did not happen. let me just tell you, roy moore denies it. that's all i can say. he denies it. and by the way, he totally denies it. >> trump has bragged about sexual assault on tape. he has been accused of unwanted sexual contact by at least 15 women and reported told new york magazine when it comes to women, you have to treat you have to treat them like crap. >> i have days where i come home and i don't want to sound too much like a bad person, if dinner is not done i go through the roof. 30 is like a perfect age. >> absolutely.
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enough life. until she's 35. [ laughter ] >> too much life experience. >> what is it at 35? checkout time. >> this attitude in fact is the trump administration as we discussed, trump gave a nickname based on accusations of domestic violence against him that he beat up his wife. at this hour tonight, more reporting on the second sudden resignation of a white house official this week amid domestic abuse allegations and get this, once again, once again just like the case of rob porter, the reporting we have now is that the ex-wife of this staffer told the fbi about the alleged abuse as part of a background in the fall. new details on that, next. jimmy's gotten used to his whole room smelling like sweaty odors.
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new details tonight about the sudden resignation of a speech writer that worked under steven miller just resigned from the whitetous tonight under circumstances that are remarkably similar to rob porter that left amid abuse allegations from both ex wives. he stepped down after inquiries of abuse allegations. allegations that she reportedly told the fbi about last year according to the post. david sorenson's ex-wife said she described his behavior last fall as the burro was conducting a background check.
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white house officials learned of the accusations by sorenson's wife thursday night. i'm joined by linda chavez, a columnist that worked in the regan administration and kathryn columnist at the washington post. you can check out "the washington post" article. we can tweet that out there are different circumstances here. i believe he has two ex wives, one vouches for him and says she didn't experience anything like abuse. something if you've been in domestic violence circles you've heard before. there are also documentation from this woman, she showed a picture of a cigarette burn she says this man gave her to the washington post and text messages. i want to set the table there. linda, your reaction to watching the last few days of this white house? >> it's absolutely amazing. i mean, what is most amazing about that is that you have a chief of staff that was supposed to have been brought in to give
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order to the white house, to be somebody who could be man of good character and lead by example and yet, under his watch we've had now two instances of staffers for whom fbi investigation showed there were credible accusations of abuse and the people stayed in their job until it went public. >> it's remarkable to me, as well, that this story they are attempting to tell now is so obviously in lieu of the facts. >> absolutely. it's not only disproving those supposed integrity john kelly had all along, there are all of these glowing profiles last year for example when he first came into the job. it's also a matter of besides how morally how repulsive these are. he was supposed to be the guy he
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was bringing in disciplined to the white house and let at least one aide who could not get a security clearance have access to every document that found its way to the president's desk. the reason why the fbi does background checks is not only to make sure that the people surrounding the president have good moral character but also they can't be blackmailed, right? you have two cases of people in the white house easily blackmailble. >> linda, you have experience of this. if background checks are not patty kaks. i took a woman a decade into my home. she was guatemalaen. i took her into my home because she was a victim of domestic abuse and in a shelter at the time, but she lived with me for a year and even though i didn't do anything illegal, i
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nonetheless did not bring that up before i was nominated and when the fbi went out and did their investigation one of the neighbors told them she lived with me and within minutes of learning that, the white house, the transition then, but the transition was in the office, on the telephone with me and sent fbi agents back to my house. i was asked specific questions about this incident. i told them the truth about it and if i hadn't, i would have committed a felony and that's a very interesting question with rob porter. >> that's a great point. >> if he lied to the fbi, you may remember henry who was secretary of hud under president clinton, he apparently with held information and lied to the fbi and he actually was punished for that. so, you know, this is a very, very strange white house where you can get away with this kind
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of thing and where no one raises an eyebrow and apparently general kelly wanted rob porter to stay even after the story had broken. to me, the person who has to go next is general kelly. he should not be in that job. he has not served the country well and frankly, not serving president trump well, either. >> linda's story highlights -- that's a remarkable story to hear. right away they run into an issue and people are on the phone. casualness this is dealt with. >> you saw today, yes. and so many other members of trump's circle including trump are accused of abusing women, sexually or using violence against them. bannon had domestic abuse charges against him that were dropped. so many people in this world
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have had accusations levelled against them and have faced no consequences. >> linda chavez and kathryn rampell, thank you for joining me.