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cincinnatian cincinnatia that's going to do it for me. it's going to be a heck of a baton hand-off. david gura at msnbc headquarters in new york, hi there david. >> i'm david gura at msnbc headquarters in new york. there's a lot going on right now. let's go to it. the russia investigation escalating to a whole new level.
special counsel robert mueller reportedly giving president trump's legal team a list of questions as investigators eye an interview with the commander in chief. lawyering up, fired fbi deputy director andrew mccabe hiring a powerful d.c. attorney, and there's fierce new reaction today from lawmakers. >> 48 hours to go before retirement, i would have certainly done it differently. >> we have to be very skeptical about the reasons for the mccabe firing. >> a new bombshell as the stormy daniels drama continues on just how many years the trump attorney tried to keep that story% a secret. we begin with a president who switched gears in his assault on the russia investigation by directly attacking special counsel robert mueller. this after former fbi director andrew mccabe was fired, mccabe hitting back tweeting, quote, we will not be responding to each childish defamatory, disgusting and false tweet by the president. the whole truth will come out in
due course, but the tweets today confirm he has corrupted the entire process. in a tweet trump questioning the political leanings of the attorneys of mueller's team. mueller i should note is a republican. the president again claiming no collusion even though the top democrat on the house intelligence committee schiff says there was collusion. here's the congressman on why he thinks trump is ramping up these attacks. >> at the same time it's revealed the special counsel is looking at business records of the trump organization. and i've always thought the laundrying issue was the most serious. the president trying to shut down the investigation and speaking out about special counsel. >> michael schmidt of "the new york times" reports robert mueller sent the president's lawyers said questions he would like to ask. michael joins me by phone. the president's mood has
shifted. get us up to speed on the latest if you would? >> a new tone from the president in recent days. obviously he's been very upset about the russia investigation, but they've really ramped up their attacks. the president was unnerved by the disclosure there was a subpoena that was sent to the trump organization by the special counsel. and the president thinks that the mccabe incident shows that there is corruption at the fbi. people around him say he's had enough of the special counsel's investigation, and there's nothing that he did wrong and it's cast an enormous shadow over his presidency that he's speaking out in a way he hasn't before. his lawyer, john dowd, wanted to make that statement, has been the one negotiating with mueller's office for the past several months about an sbuchlt now he'll have to go back to negotiations have haven't been
finalized after calling for the office to be closed. >> michael schmidt, do we have clarity about the capacity in which john dowd was speaking yesterday? he initially spoke to the daily beast with whom we're going to speak in just a moment here. he quickly took back what he said, saying he was speaking in a personal capacity. how that see white house handled what he said yesterday morning? >> right after that came out, dowd put out a statement saying he wasn't speaking for the president. but if you talk to folks close to the president, they find it hard to believe that dowd wowing out and freelance on such an important critical issue without talking to the president, without the president's backing. the president had a history of using aides, advisers and friends to float things that he doesn't want to be saying himself. this looks like that. the other thick is dowd back tracked and said he speaks for himself but the president essentially says similar, although not as extreme, but close to as extreme things rest
of the day on twitter and today. >> there's john dowd calling for an end to the investigation. he not using mueller's name explicitly. let me read from the president's tweets fired off today. the mueller probe should never have been started. if there was no collusion and there was no crime, it was based on fraudulent 50s and a fake dossier paid for by crooked hillary and the dnc and improperly used. we had a tweet in which he called out members of the team as hardened democrats%. how big a deal is it that we have the president using robert mueller's name publicly in the way in which he did today? >> i guess the question is, is it just words or are they actually going to follow through on anything? there's been the threat of trump getting rid of mueller since last summer when he asked the white house counsel don mcgahn to fire mueller.
the question is, is he really serious or simply blowing off steam or is this the beginning of trying to get the special counsel's investigation shut down? a calculation amongst some of the president's lawyers is that that would be a disaster. some of the president's friends that's his only choice at this point. >> michael schmidt of "the new york times," thank you very much for the time. i want to bring in betsy wood rough with the daily beast. she was the first to report on president trump's personal lawyer, john dowd calling for the end of robert mueller rose probe. john hardwood is with us, editor at large of cnbc. betsy, trey gowdy had advice for the president's lawyer today. >> if you look at the jurisdiction for robert mueller, first and foremost, what did russia do to this country in 2016? that is supremely so important and it has nothing to do with collusion. to suggest must recall should shut down and all he's looking
at is collusion, if you have an innocent client, mr. dowd, act like it. >> going on to say if your client is innocent, then act like it. betsy, i was talking to michael schmidt about how the messaging from the legal team changed. what's your sense of what happened over the last 36 hours? >> it's been certainly an extremely% interesting 36 hours for the president's attorneys. the reality is that the president and his folks appear to feel emboldened by may be ice firing. one point that didn't get enough attention or was overshadow by all the points dowd made in the first e-mail he sent to me yesterday is he called jeff sessions brilliant and courageous. that's unequivocal, unstinting praise for the man who appears to be president trump's least favorite cabinet member. and the reason dowd praised sessions is because sessions approved the firing of doefd fbi
director andrew mccabe. it highlights the extent to which mccabe's firing has really emboldened and given confidence to the president and his allies. they feel like they're getting everything they want, finally the folks that they had hoped to purge who they hoped were causing problems for them from the justice department are on retreat. and, of course, the person who's caused the most heart burn, no competition, bar none in the white house is robert mueller. that's why we're seeing the president take a clear shot at him this morning, that type of rhetoric is not something we should expect to see abate anytime ozuna give us a sense of how surprised you were after getting that response with that statement complete with the allusion to a tennessee williams play from 1955. it was a shocking statement in many ways. how did you react to it? how quickly did you note change in tone? >> dowd is an eccentric character. unlike a lot of high-power
attorneys in d.c. who are always very slick and sort of expert spi spineers. the fact he was as candidate as he was is in character for him. as a reporter, that's something that i greatly appreciate. i wish all attorneys would just say what they thought. that would be fantastic. it did surprise me a bit that he was willing to put this on the record. i was surprised and i said are you speaking on behalf of the president, i was most surprised when he e-mailed me back and said, yes, in my capacity as his counsel. that was surprising. but also very significant. >> truly astonishing. john harwood, your sense of the reaction we've seen, there were statements immediately after the firing of andrew mccabe. we heard from chuck schumer saying the president is floating trial balloons about derailing
the mueller investigation. he called upon his republican colleagues to stand up, particularly the leadership saying they have an obligation to stand up to make it clear that firing mueller is a red line for our democracy that can't be crossed. what do you make of the reaction we've seen? >> well, i don't think they're exactly standing up and saying that. some people are. jeff flake, lindsey graham, some others, marco rubio saying mccabe should have been allowed to serve out his tenure and mueller should be allowed to complete his probe. but they're not putting up the kind of strong solidarity with democrats on the principle that% the law has to be followed and that the president is not above the law. i would just add to what my colleague, betsy, said, i agree the president feels emboldened to act, but i don't see that as a reflection of confidence. i see that as a reflection of fear because the same thing trey gowdy counseled john dowd
applies to the president. would any reasonable person look at how the president is reacting and think this is an innocent person% who wants to end a groundless prosecution? no. he is sounding in the hysteria in his attacks on law enforcement, sounding like someone guilty and is scared. i don't know if he is, in fact, but the but that's the impression he's conveying. % if he feels free to act on that, then i think we're going to test the resistance of republicans that you can't do in the abstract. if he fires mueller, then i think the stuff's going to hit the fan and we will find out. >> john harwood, thank you. betsy wood rough, thank you very much. i want to bridge in jill wine-banks,% assistant special%%% prosecutors. great you have to with us. i'll start with one of the president's tweets from today in
which he talks about andrew mccabe. spent little time with andrew mccabe but he never took notes when he was with me. i don't believe he made memos except to help his own agenda probably at a later date, same with lying james comey, can we call them fake memos? i assume you're not going to use that term. what could these memos tell us? >> the memos are probably actually quite telling, and i believe they were made contemporaneously%, and they will be very helpful as evidence. there's nothing more persuasive than evidence in had a case. so i would say they will be very helpful and that the tweets as everybody has said this morning indicate an unraveling president trump. this is unbelievable. his tweets are very scary because they threaten democracy. on twitter i've seen people twiegt some of the headlines
during watergate that i had fortu forgotten about where the president was saying "witch-hunt "and fake news. >> why does the mueller team had a "v" 13 hardened democrats, some big crooked hillary supporters and zero democrats? and yet there is no collusion. we know who makes up the team, john quarrels. how does one working this investigation react to being called out publicly in the way in which they were today? >> i think in terms of your direct question, they will ignore that completely. jim corals and i did work together in water good nighgate. he is a man of great integrity and he's going after the facts, not the president. he wants the truth to come out. that's what prosecutors do.
so there's absolutely -- as in many of the tweets, there's no truth. mueller is a republican. i don't know the political leanings of any of the other members, including jim corals. although it's been if the paper that he contributed to a democrat. that's irrelevant to the facts he finds, and to the indictment he may bring. during watergate, our press officer, jim doyle, actually asked the three trial lawyers, including myself, to talk to the press, which was very unusual. but to talk to the press about what we were, what our backgrounds were, because he believed the people needed to know us in order to trust the results that we got. it was strange to do, but we did it. and obviously america believed the results of our outcome. >> sounds like from what you're describing there's a political insulation around a team like this. and i wonder how fireproof it is. what you hear comments like those from chuck schumer today
calling up for republicans to stand up, are we at a point where we need that to happen? is there a need for them to be buffeted in some way for politicians to stand up and affirm that? >> yes, i think there is. i think that the people who follow donald trump need to hear from people in the republican par party, particularly how indigenous this is to democracy to have the president attacking the department of justice, the special counsel, the fbi, his attacks are undermining the institutions that are fundamental to our democracy and to truth and justice. i believe people on a jury would evaluate the facts and the evidence, and that's what we have to be paying attention to. i've been saying for a long time we need a public hearing so people in america can judge for themselves who's telling the
truth. i'm encouraged by the fact that at least four people have come o out, marco rubio, lindsey graham, and flake, have come out and said this is a red line. trey gowdy said the same thing. so i think it is a red line. we cannot allow the special counsel to be cut short. it's the same thing i feel about the house intelligence committee having shut down their investigation before it was over. these things have a natural ending when the evidence has been pursued to the end, we know what we know. there may be no evidence, but there may be a case, and we need to know that for sure. congress needs to take action to protect the election that's coming up in 2018. >> natural he could here. jill wine bankers thank you for your perspective on the mueller investigation. president trump firing off a new accusation today against andrew mccabe. less than two days after he was fired. tell you about all the latest theory involving, quote, fake
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now you can get it, too. welcome to the party. welcome back. i'm david gura. more fallout this afternoon from the firing of former fbi director andrew mccabe. president trump questioned reports mccabe kept notes on his conversations with the president and delivered them to special counsel robert mueller. the president tweeted, spent very little time with andrew mccabe, but he never took notes
when he was with me. i don't believe he made memos except to help his own agenda, probably at a later date. same with lying james comey. can we call them fake memos. joining me is msnbc military analyst general barry mccaffrey. your tweet caused a lot of stir. reluctantly, i have concluded that president trump is a serious threat to u.s. national security. he's refusing to protect vital u.s. interests from active russian attacks. it's apparent he is for some unknown reason under the sway of mr. putin. you said that in 246 characters. i'll give you time to expound upon that. >> well, david, it was almost a final straw. the attempted assassination by russian intelligence agents using a signature chemical agent that the russians had developed during the '70s.
it was as if putin was finally saying i'll come murder people wherever they are on the face of the earth if they opposite me. he's doing the same thing inside russia, of course, but he's been a% consistent significant threat to nato and national security interests. in syria there was an armed attack by russian mercenaries on u.s. forces. in afghanistan he's encouraging the opposition to u.s. nato presence. in eastern ukraine in the baltic states, threatening us overtly with nuclear weapons. we haven't heard that since the cold war. thankfully nikki haley, h.r. mcmaster, former secretary of state rex tillerson spoke about u.s. national interests, but not the president. what is he doing? as commander in chief, the armed forces and the intelligence
service protect us. >> let me ask you about a custom. it is custom after a big election for the president of the united states to call up the victor of that election. i imagine president trump is thinking about whether or not to do that after the election today, presuming that vladimir putin wins the election in russia. should president trump reach out, call vladimir putin presuming he wins that election? >> of course not. this was a sham election. one of the problems president trump has had is he's attacked the prime minister of great britain, refused to shake hands of angela merkel with the oval office. he's attacked the mexico government, the canadian prime minister, but he's been very supportive of xi and duterte of the philippines, erdogan in turkey. he's been outreached to strong men to dictators.
we shouldn't legitimatize this election in russia. the russian people are the first victims of putin's criminal oligarchy. >> i'm going to point to a nbc news poll that just came out today. they asked folks to weigh in on political figures and one of them was the fbi, very positive reaction, 48% had a positive reaction to that, negative was 20%. that is a 28-point differential, something andrew mccabe said, he's a small part of this. he's worried about the attack on law enforcement generally. how founded do you think those claims are? how worried are you about morale or the regard of law enforcement including the fbi in this country? >> the mccabe firing, we need to find out what the fbi inspector general report was, what they say actually happened before we come to a conclusion on him personally. having said that, i have a lot of experience dealing with the fbi. and talking to big audiences, i
say thank god for the fbi. they are almost impossible to corru corrupt. the only other institution like that is the coast guard for god's sakes. by the way, we do have civil service protections. we don't have the president and in fire everyone in the government like they do in some autocratic states. so we have to be careful. but the fbi is a national treasure. it needs to be supervised, but we need to take pride in the men and women across the country protecting us from terrorist incidents and organized crime. >> comments from the retired army general mccaffrey. >> good to be with you. breaking news from russia. as the presidential election polls closed although the outcome is hardly in doubt, vladimir putin handily winning a fourth term in office adding another six years to his time in power. he cast his ballot this morning
as world waits to see who would turn out in that vote. amid growing tensions between russia and western powers over the poisoning of an exbritish spy. my colleague richard engel is in moscow. get us up to speed here. i gather the polls have closed. what are you going to be watching for? >> reporter: i think we already know the outcome. i think people in russia knew the outcome months ago, if not years ago. vladimir putin is going to win another six-year term as president. this was his fourth term as president. he also served two as prime minister. so he's been leading this country for a long time. he's the longest-serving russian leader since stalin. so i think we're just waiting for the numbers. the early exit polls that have been put out on state television say about 73% of the vote with
roughly 60% turnout. those numbers will change as count is in, but the next closest rival had something like 15%. so he won by an enormous margin. so this was not even really a contest. and people when i asked both putin supporters and putin's% critics, both sides said they knew he was going to win. >> what was a very unorthodox campaign, president putin largely ignored his rivals and opponents. what has he said about the next six years, what he hopes to accomplish? >> reporter: he's made his priorities quite clear. he gave a speech, quite a provocative speech that he gave
to megyn kelly in which he made it very clear the russia under putin, particularly in the next six years, wants to confront the west, wants to be taken seriously. he's been showing off what he described as invincible nuclear weapons. he flashed a picture of florida while making that speech. he's taken a very confrontational role with western european leaders. putin feels this is russia's time, this is his time to make russia an empire again under his stewardship, to correct the historic wrong that he believes was the collapse of the soviet union and the fall of the russian and soviet empire. so he has very big plans, and he sees this moment right now when the only power in the world that could check him, the united states, is in political turmoil. question, of course, that everyone is asking is was that
by design, was that political turmoil in the united states actually caused by russia, which is, of course, the story of our times. >> richard, last question, how does the opposition emerge from this? they didn't have a fighting chance in this campaign. what do they do next? what are they saying about their next steps here? >> reporter: there really is not a large and credible opposition in this country. they've effectively been silenced, killed. navalny, even if he was allowed to run, there's no way he would have won this election. putin has deep support. it is not all corruption. he has quite a bit of support playing on this nationalist card, playing on his nostalgia card that he's going to make
russia great again, and now he still at least the legal mandate to do that for the next six years. >> exit polls indicating vladimir putin headed for a fourth term. richard engel joining us from moscow. % the billionaire businessman leading the charge to impeach president trump, launching a new strategy in that fight. with the the cry fall on deaf ears in congress? captivating exteriors dynamic lighting elevated comfort powerfully efficient and one more thing the world comes with it ♪you can go your own way...
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. welcome back. i'm david gura. a nation wide effort to impeach president trump is under way being led by billionaire businessman tom steyer. he's taken that effort on the road making stops in ohio and new york city. 30 locations nationwide. the need to impeach campaign collected more than 5 million signatures and he's called an congress to remove donald trump from office. steyer, a major democratic adorn pledged $30 million in the midterm in an effort to win back control of the house. i want to get your reaction to the recent news involving andrew mccabe, the decision to fire him a couple hours before he was
scheduled to retire. >> david, i think two things about it. one, it is a straightforward example of how desperate this president is to go after any attempts to shed light on his business dealings and his overall activities. and second of all, it shows absolute contempt for working people, to take away somebody's pension, to fire someone before their pension vests is the kind of cruel behavior you would expect from a monarch or a king. it's not the kind of behavior you expect from the united states of america with respect to tot working people and the working families of this country. i thought it was outrageous. >> you've been reading the president's tweets and tweeting back. i'll read one of them. mr. trump, stop protesting your innocence. cooperate in full, including releasing your taxes or shut up and let the justice department do its job. we're going to get to impeachment moment, but i want to what you're calling lawmakers to do. how should they react to what's
been playing out over the last two days? >> we're seeing an attack on our basic institutions and our basic values from the white house. and i think it's absolutely critical regardless of what party you're in that the members of aggression and the senators stand up for the basic american values that have built and protected this country for hundreds of years. if they don't do that, they are derelict in that detour. >> let me ask you about your campaign. you were in ohio. i pulled up a report from the "cincinnati enquirer" about the town hall you delivered. you got 100 people in a room. i like this characterization. it was more like a literary discussion than a rally. what are we looking for as you make your way to 30 cities across the country? >> david, i view this impeachment campaign with a lot of soberness and seriousness. we're talking about removing the
elected president of the united states for misconduct and lawlessness. what we saw were serious americans discussing the need to stand up and protect our democracy and our country%, and i don't think that that's something where it should be like a trump rally where people are screaming and yelling, where people are using slogans. this was a conversation, a serious conversation between patriotic americans who are talking about our need to stand up and defend the basic institutions of this country in a serious way and to make our mark on the history of the united states of america. >> you're taking your crew said on the road. i saw you're filing foyer requests as well. >> what we're seeing from the white house is an attempt to hide the truth. and it's been going on for a very long time. mr. trump refused to disclose
his taxes before he even was elected president. from the very beginning of his campaign, he's been trying to obje obfuscate. we basically said american citizens have a right to see public documents, and we requested hundreds of documents with regard to his organization and the kushner organization, and the companies that have been doing business out of the oval office. and we're saying, the american people have a right to know that the president is acting with their interests first and foremost every single day, every single incidence. >> how did you pick the cities you're going to, and how much does this dove tail with efforts for the democrats to take foot in the house. i assume going to ohio helps you in that effort. how close are they complement y
complementary? >> it's clear the impeachment process by definition has to be a bipartisan process. and we know it has to be an educational effort across the country in all 50 states. so we started in ohio. it's right in the heart of the country. it's been a bell weather state in this country for 100 years. and the the fact of the matter is, we know elected officials are going to listen to the people. and our organization is trying simply to organize and empower the voice of the american people. we're not going to the elected officials. we're going directly to citizens and saying we know this is true, let's talk about it, let's talk about how urgent and important it is because only when the people of the united states insist that this president be removed will he be removed, and i believe that should always be and is always going to be the catalyst for the removal of a
president. that's what did it to president nixon and that's what will do it to president trump. >> tom, always great to speak with you. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. president trump taking aim at special counsel robert mueller in the ongoing russia probe as part of a series of tweets before he headed to the golf course. why husband mueller have crooked hillary supporters and zero republicans? another dem recently added does anyone think this is fair, and yet there is no collusion. james langford of oklahoma weighing in this morning. >> it is odd the number of democrats he's put on board his team, that does raise some flags in some sense there. clearly he also identified some individuals that were biased, that were from the fbi that he fired immediately. that tainted that. he seems to be moving on from there. the key thing he can do is bring out the facts and he seems to be doing that, even with the indictment that he put out on
the 13 russians a few weeks ago. he put out a lot of facts and information. that's very helpful. >> helping us parse that message, jess mcintosh and david jolly. david, help me parse that, as i said. james langford casting aspersions on this team. >> what's the republican position led by robert mueller? >> i think most republicans would like to see the investigation go away, but they know politically that comes with enormous peril. and so they engage in the talking points that are right for the republican base so they look like they're being faithful to their party, but at the end of the day i think everybody's worried including republicans. the reality is the president is scared and he's scared for a reason because mueller has gotten close to his finances now. and i think the president continues to be an "n" increasing peril. and republicans know that and they're worried this mueller
investigation. >> you saw the statement this morning from chuck schumer, the democratic leader in the senate, calling upon republican colleagues to draw a line in the sand, saying calls like this for abend to the investigation should be that red line in the sand. how worried are you about the interse integrity of it? >> mueller seems to be getting this done even in the cloud of chaos that trump is trying to make as difficult as possible to see through. what i am concerned about is the integrity of the republican party. they've allowed him to undermine the fabric of our democracy. i'm hopeful that if trump were to get rid of mueller it would be a bright line they wouldn't be able to cross, but honestly, what that they have been comfortable allowing him doing, that's not -- the republican
party is not somebody i would want to put my faith in right now. mueller is a republican, mccabe is a republican, so absolutely not true at that point. those tweets caused the white house to rush trump into the golf course to get him away from the television and twitter. we are in a very unstable period in terms of, like, meltdowns within the white house. it's going to get really interesting. >> david jolly, hourls you react to the news about andrew mccabe. there were a lot of statements from democrats in particular on the heels of that. you have andrew mccabe criticizing what happened here, placing him as one part of a larger attack on law enforcement. do you agree with him? do you think he's making that point effectively? do you see this as part of a broader attack? >> i do. it was a shameful decision. i'm sure there are many other points of recourse they could have made, a suspension, but to fire someone within 36 hours, clearly there were% alternatives
they could have chosen. if robert mueller is truly looking to seek justice and to ensure that justice is served, he very well might want this to continue until there's a divided government where democrats in congress might be able to provide the oversight. he's not going to play that overtly politically, nor should he. but if he's trying to seek justice, imagine dropping the mueller report in the hands of a republican congress that's going to move it away, which is why donald trump wants to have mueller removed as quickly as possible and have this done. >> david, republicans trepidation weighing in on this. there's a poll looking at enthusiasm. there's the enthusiasm gap. more democrats enthusiastic about the prospects for midterms than the democrats are. a lot of people across america aren't caring a great deal about the course of this investigation. do you see that changing is the result of this? when you see andrew mccabe
removed, it's a narrative that's followble, does that make it something the voters care more about in? >> i don't think russia will be a defining issue in november. i don't think mccabe will be. your immediate to low information voters don't know who he is and really don't care. what will be material, though, is if there's evidence the president purgers himself. you are seeing senators in particular speak up and say we need to protect mueller, but they're being very careful about it because trump's attack on mueller has been effective. the republican base probably believes that melania should be fired, and trump needs his base to believe that if he's going to move to terminate this investigation. >> that's the thing about the russia investigation. the russia investigation doesn't care fp you care about it. it is proceeding, it is legal.
we're talking about adjudicating something in an objective source. like when we go to court over hush money payments. eventually trump is going to be called to task by something other than approval ratings, which, frankly, have come in and been fairly decisive about how america feels about the way he's been haggling the presidency. that's what we're seeing in the russia investigation. it doesn't matter what people think of it because we're talking about our democracy here. >> great to speak with boyfriend. jess mcintosh and david kelly. details in the stormy daniels saga, a new report shedding light on how long a trump attorney tried to simultaneous% silence the porn star. ? did dad make me lust for too great an adventure? my scars and bruises tell their own story. so here's to you, mom and dad.
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piece. what the post is reporting is that michael cohen interceded in 2011 to prevent stormy daniels from disclosing things about her affair with the president. >> michael cohen prides himself on being a thuggish fixer, compared himself to radon van, a show time show about a violent fixer who operates at the far edges of the law. so the fact that he's out there intimidating women is not really that shocking. what i think is interesting is what it tells us about the question of why the president is fighting this so hard. because stormy daniels has already given her interview to "60 minutes," and that will air out with the president and the outcome of these legal proceedings. why put fuel on the story by threatening a $20 million lawsuit against a private sit
sechb by starting a legal proceeding that could end up with him being deposed about not just his sex life but the various financial shenanigans he's engaged in to cover it up. why not let her talk? what's he afraid of? i think part of what he's afraid of is he has a long history of doing this stuff i.'s not just about shutting up stormy daniels, it's about shutting up how ever many women come after her. >> she wrote when all is said and litigated, the biggest question might be why the president of the united states didn't just let her talk. >> and that is a really big question. i think it suggests, again, either that he has something physically very incriminating like photographs or video and that's been floated in a lot of legal filings that have gone back and forth in this case. several women have already come
to her lawyer since this case started getting publicity and some of them with signed ndas. one of the things that's striking about the nda that michael cohen had stormy daniels sign is there was a provision that said she couldn't mention any, quote, alleged children or any paternity issues. i've been told that that has no relevance to her particular case, that that's not at issue there. what that tells you is this was sort of part of their standard agreement, right? so there could very well be other women out there who signed similar agreements. you have to imagine they put that provision in there for a reason. i also really wonder should that part of it get more attention? i know nothing is a bridge too far for the evangelicals who support donald trump. not sleeping with a porn star, sleeping with a porn star when
your third wife has had a baby. but having been banging on about fatherhood for decades, i want to know how they justify the fact that not only did trump allegedly sleep with all these women and pay them to shut up, but made them sign away any right to acknowledge fatherhood if he got them pregnant. >> the last question is about intimidation. i'll go back to the piece in the post today. the ex of gina rodriguez, stormy daniels' agent. michael cohen saying, you tell gina, if she ever wants to work in this town again, she'll call me immediately. this is part of a growing intim daegs on the part of michael cohen and the others surrounding the president. >> the president, it still kills me to call him the president. before donald trump was elected, he was known as a c list entertainer surrounded by a lot of bottom-feeding thugs. this is how they do business. one of the things that could potentially come out as this
story proceeds is more details about how he did business in ways that were not just damaging, but potentially have legal implications. >> you look at the threat being levied against stormy daniels, the fact they could face a fine of $20 million. there's a "60 minutes" interview reportedly going to air next week. do you think that's going to be effective, from what you've seen, when you look back on donald trump's history, using the tools of intimidation, do you think they'll be effective this time around? >> i think clearly not. the interview is already in the can. and i don't think that strms has -- having gone as far as she has even if she said, okay, i'm not going to say anything else besides the "60 minutes," she's already opened the door. and i also -- it seems from what i hear, she is genuinely offended to have the president of the united states, she believes, kind of lying about her, lying about the agreement
that they made. i think a lot of legal experts that i've spoken to think they have a pretty good case. they don't seem, from what i understand, to be cowed by all of this. >> michelle, great to speak with you. >> thanks so much. >> columnist from "the new york times" joining me in new york. a dramatic new turn from the russia investigation. special counsel robert mueller has given trump's team a list of questions. we'll fill you in on that next. i'll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world. sometimes in ways we never imagined. (avo) get 0% apr financing on all-new 2018 subaru outback models. now through april 2nd. your digestive system has billions of bacteria, but life can throw them off balance. try align, the #1 doctor recommended probiotic.
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welcome back. i'm david gura. we're following several developing stories. russia investigation outrage. president trump lashing out in a series of scathing tweets after his legal team purportedly receives a list of questions from special counsel robert mueller. will the president meet with investigators? former deputy director andrew mccabe hiring an attorney as lawmakers from both parties condemn his firing. 2020 jump start, the president looking to rally supporters taking his daughter ivanka to a key battleground state. will his message help or hurt fellow republicans concerned about this year's midterms. breaking news in russia where president vladimir putin has officially won his fourth term in officing, adding another six years. let's go to richard engel in moscow. i was using cautious language 20