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consumption. he said it wouldn't even be m e meat, so you could consume it with dairy. i don't know about that. genetically engineered pig cells? listen. we're all for advances in food science, not really, but kosher pork feels like a contradiction in terms, just like jumbo shrimp. feel free to enjoy your artificial pork if you choose, you can have some cheese on it, too, i guess. but we are sticking with brisket. kate eye t katy tur is going down to get some pork and a pickle. >> are you trolling me? >> i'll be enjoying it while you're talkin'. doing something legal. >> doing something legal. i appreciate this very jewish bacon toss. >> you're welcome. i think it sounds gross.
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i think the guy really got sick of turkey bacon. really wanted a bacon cheeseburger and has found a way to do it. >> well, keep cookin'. donald trump in the face of two different legal threats. stormy daniels breaking her silence, fighting back against efforts by trump to silence her in secret arbitration. that's one story. and also bob mueller bearing down on trump as his administration reels from very big new shakeups to what is a dwindling legal team. and this sets up a pretty stark contrast. right now, donald trump is employing more lawyers to silence women who may talk about him than he has lawyers defending him in the criminal probe into his campaign and administration. consider that in trump's litigation against daniels and other women he's employing michael cohen, and the new addition, charles heaarder, plu
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whatever junior associates those are employing, plus, while the russia probe lawyers have dwindled down to include jay sekulow. en to put it another way, when mueller's prosecutors call the white house today, just anytime, with dowd and digenova out, there's only one person left who actually still has attorney-client privilege to keep trump secrets who can pick up the line. that's jay sekulow. allies pushing a big story that digenova could not represent the president because of conflicts. the problem with this story is, one, digenova had been publicly representing corrala, and
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corrala waived the conflict. and there are reports that trump didn't have personal chemistry with the lawyers. okay. now let me give you wider context as we kick off our evening and very special guests ahead. because while trump allies talk up why he doesn't want certain lawyers, the president is currently outgunned against mueller, because a lot of lawyers don't want to work for trump. which is a remarkable thing to say about a personally wealthy sitting president as "new york times" trumpologyist maggie haberman reported. and consider all the reports of top firms and famous lawyers who refuse to defend trump against mueller, including powerhouse republican ted olson who stopped by msnbc today but defined to offer the president any legal advice on tv, something we know he like when is s when it does . there are all kinds of reasons
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why lawyers don't want to do this gig. from politics to conflicts to, how do we say, working for a client like donald trump. but i can also report for you tonight, based on public evidence that there is a big reason why many people in the legal profession don't want to work for trump, and it comes down to a question that lawyers ask just about as often as beyonce used to ask back in the destiny's child days, can you pay my bills? top lawyers saying when it comes to trump, quote, the guy won't pay. there was an exhaustive usa today report showing hundreds of contractors detailing how trump would basically steal their services, their money by refusing to pay the bills he owed. a problem so rampant, one firm sued trump in 2008. another sued the trump organization and his company for $94,000 in unpaid legal fees and
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costs. let's get into it with ross garber. he knows his way around the unique challenges of this kind of case, as well as richard painter, a white house ethics chief under republican george w. bush. his watchdog crew is suing trump and he has an exploratory committee for a potential senate run in minnesota. welcome to both of you. richard painter, what do you make of donald trump at the very time mueller's gotten more cooperation and more progress, donald trump basically down to one lawyer with attorney-client privilege. >> it's a very dangerous situation for the president. he needs to find some good lawyers who will represent him. he's got a lot more exposure, certainly on the criminal side and on i think on the impeachment side for the mueller situation than he does from the stormy daniels situation. looking at it from the lawyers' standpoint, lawyers don't want to get involved with the
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obstruction of justice investigation by bob mueller, particularly, if the president is going to continue to obstruct justice and may lie above mueller on their watch. no lawyer wants to be the lawyer for a client who is lying to the feds, particularly to bob mueller. the lawyers would love to work the sex scandal side of things. lawyers will work on the side of a sex scandal. it's relatively low risk for the lawyer, lots of great reviews and entertainment. but messing around with bob mueller is not something that a lawyer wants to do unless that lawyer's going to have a client who's going to behave himself and not obstruct justice, and unfortunately, this gentleman, our president, does not fit the bill. in addition to the fact that he doesn't pay his bills. >> and you get to the bill that, ross, before i get into a longer analysis from you, yes or no, given your experience from
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representing republican chief executives, would you consider represent being the president if asked? >> i never talk about who i might represent or might not represent. >> i mean, that's a yes or no question. is that a yes or a no? >> the answer is who knows. >> the answer is who knowing. i'll keep you honest on that. the second piece as you know is the destiny child's piece. and i don't know if you remember when beyonce was in destiny's child. can you pay my bills, can you pay my automobiles. joe scarborough raising the same issue. >> one, donald trump doesn't tell the truth. and secondly, donald trump doesn't pay his legal fees. donald trump doesn't pay any fees. >> ross, do you think that's hurting the president getting counsel today? >> no. actually, i don't think that's a big issue at all. if you're looking to make a lot of money, representing a public official or the office of a public official is not the place to look. i don't think it's a fees issue.
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honestly, i think the pbig issu is number one, the president's probably not taking this seriously enough. i think he thinks that because there was no collusion he shouldn't be so worried. he's misperceiving the risk. and he's probably looking for lawyer love in all the wrong places. the folks he's talking to are primarily the usual suspects, the same d.c. crew, and yes, it's completely understandable that he'd have a tougher time engaging some of those folks in this representation, because they may be thinking about the next case and the next case and the next case. >> i want you folks to stay with me, and i want to add to our coverage shelby holiday and lanny davis, who is special counsel to president clinton. before we move to some of the other issues, lanny, your view on all of this about the lawyers. >> well, first of all, hello to richard painter, he
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cross-examined me once in the bush white house, i didn't think i would survive that cross examination. >> how long was it? >> he's a toughest ick ethics l. number one, if you work with a client like donald trump with a history of not paying you get paid up front. that should not be an issue. the real issue that richard raises is that i've never worked for a client that has lied to me or i could trust not lying to me. there's no way that i -- i'm sure he's not interested in me -- or any lawyer could represent a client who lies to the lawyer, much less to the prosecutor. and that's the reason i have friendships with many of the people that you were showing in photographs who had turned down donald trump. that's the reason he can't find a great lawyer. it's because he has lied to the american people. we know that. but he's also lied to his own lawyers, and no lawyer will take
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a client who lies. >> right, and it might come down to one of donald trump's favorite words, "winning." that is something he has in common, they want to win. a lot of lawyers would be throwing their arms up wanting to represent the president. i think twitter is a big problem. the president went on twitter the other day saying don't listen to the fake news, plenty of lawyers want to represent me. that's just not true. he continues making statements that could obstruct justice, that could be tainting potential witnesses or the jury. there's a lot of evidence that he's not taking it seriously, and generally, people want to win. i'm not suggesting that that's what the president's doing, he obviously denies all the allegations. >> what do you think of the rather ham-handed announcement of these lawyers joining last week and now they're not being in. people wake up monday night if
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you had a nice weekend or you watched "60 minutes", and you go, oh, this guy on fox who had the conspiracy theory is now off the team already. >> legal experts say this was simply sloppy. the president didn't do due diligence, didn't do his vetting. it causes another public relations challenge for him. unclear if he cares about that. maybe confirms the fact that mark carallo has testified against the president. we get a lot of hints every time these things happen. this is an incident where we can glean some information. >> what did you think of that, lanny? >> first of all, we have several stories. number one, a waiver is a waiver. the first story that we got from trump naturally was non-truthful when he said there were conflicts. i don't know why joe digenova went along with that. apparently somebody in the white house said there was bad chemistry with joe digenova. the fact is i don't think joe
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digenova or victoria toensing could work for him, no lawyer is going to last when they know a client lies. one of the things i point out through six years, seven years of whitewater in the white house. there's only one lawyer who represented bill clinton and all the way through impeachment, the same lawyer and law fifrrm. people like me and other lawyers stayed loyal to president clinton. this man doesn't command loyalty from people who work in the white house. and that kind of bad chemistry between client and lawyer is impossible. it's poisonous. >> you make the fascinating historical point. viewers may think, gosh, it seems like they fire a lot of people all the time. there is turnover, but to your point, the notion of this much turnover week to week in the people who know your secrets and
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are there to stand between you and your aides and jail something else entirely. thanks to each of you. also new tonight, stormy daniels, brand-new, filing a new suit against michael cohen, donald trump's lawyer. it all relates to the "60 minutes" interview, and we lasa tonight have new reporting on the collusion question, a forger trump aide who was encouraged to pursue foreign contacts. i'm going to get the information from his wife, who's now a witness for bob mueller. we will look at the bigger, more important story that you may have missed. i'm ari melber, you're watching "the beat."
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>> no. >> did you want to have sex with him? >> no. but i didn't say no. i'm not a victim. i'm not -- >> it was entirely consensual. >> oh, yes, yes. >> interview gives daniels a big platform to tell her side of the story, saying they slept together once. but everything changed when she did an interview about that history and found herself confronted by a stranger threatening to hurt her in front of her daughter. >> i was in a parking lot, going to a fitness class with my infant daughter, taking, you know the seat's facing backwards in the back seat, diaper bag, getting all the stuff out. and a guy walked up on me and said to me, leave trump alone, forget the story, and then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said a beautiful little girl, it would be a shame if something happened to her mom, and then he was gone. >> you took it as a direct threat. >> absolutely. i was rattled. i remember going into the workout class and my hands were
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shaking so much i was afraid i was going to drop mother. -- her. >> have you seen him again? >> no. >> did you go to the police? >> no. >> why? >> because i was scared. >> can yeldaniels launching a p serious allegation. the white house and trump team deny this affair and the threat allegation, the rest of the interview was stringiking more content. she keeps turning the table on donald trump who regularly traffics in rule breaking and obscenity for himself but doesn't like it when anybody else does. he's the first president to sue a woman to enforce a hush money contract. daniels was defying it last night as well as the threats of financial ruin, a moment of public defiance that a lot of americans saver.
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it did not provide -- whether one likes trump or his lawyer or not. the interview never really answered why daniels wants to speak so badly now after she did take this money in 2016 not to speak. but maybe didn't have to. maybe when facing off against an adversary like donald trump, internal consistency and logic are less important than a confident, spectacle. i'm joined now by a reporter to writes about feminism and who has been covering this story. >> a lot of the details that we learned from the "60 minutes" interview are details we didn't necessarily want to know. more evidence of donald trump's sort of incestualish interest in the women he's dating or sleeping with that look like his daughter. we had a lot of details that i
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won't go into of what he does when he sleeps with a woman. but look, the stormy daniels story was never actually about sex. it was always about power. it was never really about a porn star but corruption. and what we learned in the "60 minutes" interview is something we knew from the russia probe, that donald trump surrounds himself with people who are not necessarily his employees. he surrounds himself with people who are fixers, people had thugs. >> the only allegation to be clear was her saying something about what he said in comparing her allegedly to his daughter, which is presumably denied. i want to play it, because it's something that two women have talked about, let's take a look. we're going to take a look at stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, two women who in interviews have talked about the point you've raised. >> he's like, wow, you, you are
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special. >> and he said you're really special. >> you remind me of my daughter, you know. he's like, you're smart, beautiful. >> he said i was beautiful like her and, you know, you're a smart girl. >> so that, i just want to give cop te context to what you were discussing. there's another part of this interview that is consistent with stormy daniels' past statements. she said donald trump's obsessed with sharks. i would never donate to any charity that helps sharks. i hope all sharks die. he was riveted, obsessed. let's take another look at moment similar last night. >> i remember arriving, and he was watching shark week. he made me sit and watch an entire documentary about shark attacks. >> it wasn't at that point a business meeting, it was just watching shark video? >> yeah. >> this is what we believe to be the episode. >> how do you, how do you know
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this? >> we tracked it down, because she referred to it as something as uss something and this was airing then on discovery, 2007. >> what is donald trump's fear of sharks tell us about donald trump? >> i ask you. >> well, i find it interesting that he watches a documentary about something that he's afraid of, right? wouldn't you not watch the -- >> he'd be so terrified and he's watching it like riveted. >> so he's taking pleasure in something that he's very afraid of. that's, if i was hayis therapis. >> which you're not. >> which i'm not, for the record, i'm thankful. that would be a big, big piece of work. >> what is it, something he can't control? >> lawyers? >> lawyers are sharks.
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you had the whole answer. great. liz plank, thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for being you. up ahead, white house lawyers reviewing some loans to jared kushner's own family companies. and later, they called him a low-level coffee boy. new reporting on a guilty trump aide who had contact all the way to steve bannon and new collusion questions. the wife of that cop fessnfessep aide. and the senate committee demanding mark zuckerberg come and speak. that ahead. where are we taking him? i have no clue. we're just tv doctors. if this was a real emergency, i'd be freaking out. but thanks to cigna, we can do more than just look heroic. we can help save lives by getting you to a real doctor for a check-up. nurse, this thing's defective.
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the other top story tonight, as trump shakes up his legal team, mueller is gathering information from cooperating witnesses from flynn to george nader to george papadopoulos.
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calling him everything from a coffee boy to a staffer, but could he have the last laugh? there's a new story here, i don't know if you've seen this yet, the "washington post" making waves because they have new e-mails revealed that suggest papadopoulos was up to some pretty high-level contacts. what does it mean? i'll ask his wife, who has an inside view of the case from her time speaking directly to mueller's investigators. but the post reports that papadopoulos had contact to the top of the campaign, inclusion bannon. that he got foreign policy results. he pitched as a home run idea an egyptian diplomacy meeting, but he said it would be hard to sell donald trump. papadopoulos got the meeting done, and included sessions and flynn who was also conferring over e-mail with papadopoulos. with the newly-revealed e-mails
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we turn to someone in the know, simonea. hello. >> good evening. >> when you look at this report coming out and george has been cooperating, does this match your understanding? how often was george talking to senior echelons of the campaign while he was involved? >> when i read his article, it definitely confirms what i mentioned in my first interview on tv on the interview i held also with you. george had a significant role within the campaign, was constantly in touch with high-level officials. it was never in any extent considered a coffee boy. i understand this missile strategy from the white house created a contradiction of something that is, to me, evident when we look at different sources. when first i heard that george
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papadopoulos was a low-level tier, insignificant in the context of the trump campaign as foreign policy adviser, i knew of course immediately that is a contribution is very different. and the fact that it was based in london is very important, because always communication happened via e-mail, so they can be documented. and apparently, the "washington post" found this to corroborate this information. >> can you say whether you or george were involved in giving these e-mails to the post? >> absolutely not. none of us. >> you were not. >> none of us, not to me, not george. >> it makes him, it's fair to say, it makes thim look better. and you're saying that, too. and i understand you're loyal to him. but that's implication of the article, and the other thing i want to play for you is attorney general jeff sessions who had to do this dance where he basically argued your husband, george papadopoulos was very
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unimportant, as we've said, but yet he also seemed to know about him, which suggests some sort of first-name basis level of import. take a look. >> i pushed back at his trip and was concerned that he not go off somewhere pretending to represent the trump campaign. >> what do you think of that idea, that he was pretending to represent trump? >> absolutely not. it was a surrogate of the campaign, as proved by those e-mails. it was constantly acting with approval of the campaign. and that is the only interview with the russian media, int interfax. it was the only one to talk to the israeli, most famous energy conference. i'm not sure this profile can be qualified by somebody acting freelance simply on his own initiative. this would not be coherent in
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the fact that they hold him in the campaign even until the transition period if he was acting on his own. >> i want to add in a former federal prosecutor, daniel goldman. attorney general jeff sessions who i just played of course we later learned was under a potential review for criminal lying about russia contacts, which is a related issue that i just showed. and then take a lack ook at thi. a source is contradicting the line i just played. that he opposed this meeting with russian, contradicted by three people talking with reuters who've spoken about the matters with mueller. line that up with what simonea just shared with us in this "washington post" article. >> it's interesting the "washington post" got these e-mails as you just pointed out. it's not coming from george papadopoulos or simonea. and certainly, the trump administration has been trying
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to distance itself from george papadopoulos and anything that he knows. we know that george papadopoulos was the first person to learn about the e-mails. and so it makes sense that they're trying to distance themselves, but, as we're seeing in that reporting by the "washington post," there was some recepivity by the trump administration as to what he was selling. there was also some resistance. it's even noted in his statement of offense to which he pled guilty that he, that they, there was at least one administration official who said, stop, tell him to stop, trump will never do this. >> simonea before i let you go, anything you can tell us how george is doing, what's on his mind. >> he was very surprised, but i must say in a positive light, because this corroborate the message i'm trying to deliver,
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to give more realistic interpretation of his contribution to the campaign. so i am completely agree that that strategy to distance from george makes sense, because he was the first one and only one, i don't know, to receive, to have offered this -- on the other hand, this is not true. >> and you're raising something that a lot of folks are buzzing about in e-mails on clinton, whether those are the next charges mueller may have, who did the hacking. ago alway as always, nice to talk to you, thank you for being here. >> thank you. i want to bring you into another big story here. there's a memo that i have here that we first brought you friday night on the beat. this is from rudy giuliani's law firm. it was advising cambridge
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analytica about how to avoid breaking the law, that anyone who's not a citizen shouldn't be involved in substantively managing these campaigns. today new details about how cambridge may have ignored that warning. the "washington post" revealing the company sent dozens of workers to advise republican workers. and this led to this, a prabran watchdog group saying they violated election law by waiting for the trump, cruz and john bolton operation, plus, 37 states attorney general. and mark zuckerberg to take on the big questions. i'm joined by a contributing writer at the "atlantic", and an expert in the region. i want to know what you think of this coming to the. the benign view is a lot of old stuff looks bad today.
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rudy giuliani's firm is telling you don't do this, and it looks like you did some of it. >> it's not the only warning that cambridge analytica got. that you can't have foreigners working on your campaign. what's interesting to me is that as the cambridge analytica story comes together we see how much of the trolling and the facebook, fake news, psycho analytic stuff was coming not just from russian bots, but bankrolled by mercers, how much of this was truly domestic. >> daniel? >> well, i think the other interesting thing about the memo that you just identified is that it is addressed to steve bannon. so what that does is, it really eliminates, at least for bannon, and one could presume that he transferred this information to other people, a defense of, i didn't really understand the nuances of the federal campaign
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finance law, so i didn't really know whether, whether to what extent foreigners can be involved. it is okay for foreign nationals to have some role in the campaign as long as they're not the decision-makers. >> you're saying legally it's bad for him because he knew, and the question is, did he act like he knew. >> the question is, did he defer? or did he allow foreign nationals to have any role in the trump campaign. >> as you know, mc light always said act like you know. if you've been warned by giuliani not to break that law, your mental exposure is probably worse. i want to play the which isstle blower. >> the company was warned that alexander nix should relieve himself of the duties as ceo and that the company shouldn't be sending foreign citizens to go and run american campaigns. >> i just want to make sure.
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>> advice was completely disregarded. >> when you look at all this, it does point a picture that would seem to be bad for an america first republican campaign. >> right, but it's also not that surprising that steve bannon, the disrupter who wants to break all kinds of existing norms on politics threw caution to the wind and said screw it, we're going to do things our way and break even more rules. turns out some rules are federal election law, and you can't really throw them to the wind. >> on that note, thanks for being part of our coverage. up ahead, donald trump's allies are calling this a distraction. the stormy daniels allegations. i have a special report about a trump campaign promise that you should hear fact checked. that's coming up. but, an all new realist when we're back in 90 seconds. let's begin.
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it's monday on "the beat", so it's time for a new segment called "the realist", where we focus on what's important in the world, what's real in the news and people were doing something positive or significant. you know we care about it if we have a graphic, guys. it's robbie myers, former editor in chief of "elle" magazine and senior pastor and always
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bringing the hat, doctor. looks good. looks good on tv. who's on your real list? >> the group of people on our real list. maxine white and julius tillery, farmers in eastern north carolina who are utilizing their genius in growing food and moving food to improve the health conditions of their community and beyond. maxine white started a food hub in a small town of bethel, north carolina, a small country town, but is doing amazing things through her food hub. she brought 800 eggs to baltimore recently and had me moving eggs around the city. and julius tillery is a fifth generation cotton farmer and has a company called black cotton. >> i sigh yee you with those eg dr. you look good with those eggs. >> all week i've been moving eggs, all week.
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and julius takes cotton and makes butte nears and a young farmer doing innovative things, but they're making agriculture real cool, and i know a lot of people are focussed on fresh food and local food. we also got to help the farmers in the country, too. >> robbie, who's on your real list? >> five days left, women's history month, and i think it's time we look at three young women who i think are going to make history going forward. they are of course from the march over the weekend. the first one is emma gonzalez. it's too bad that the nra was really cynical about who was putting this march together and who was behind it. because you cannot watch this young woman talk and not talk for almost six minutes and not cry. the other young women is naomi wadler. at this moment we're talking about intersectionality. she's talking about the black lives movement, the women's
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march and feminism and gun control. and she stood up there because she wanted to talk about all of the women of color who are victims of gun violence who are not recognized regularly in the news, and the third one is yolanda renee king. she has good dna. 9 years old. she said enough is enough. >> and you put it there. i've got to think, i don't want to make assumptions about anybody in the country, but i was down there kovg the march and mine relates that, which is policy. a big thing that came out is okay, what is going to happen. and so, if you look at this on the basis of what comes next, you know, let's look at actual detailed proposals which in some ways can be less exciting. i wanted to put three policy items on the real list, the first is the assault weapons
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ban, which senator feinstein passed. she's still pushing that. number two would be this bump stocks issue. the trump administration, i want to report the facts, did move forward on a rule. the next step as it goes through what it's called an administrative comment period, we're going to keep an eye on that, and third, probably the most ridiculous thing that people can't understand around the world, this no-fly list. we have people, we won't let them on planes, but they can buy guns. quick final thought, dr. brown. >> i know you're a hip-hop head. we know your secret. i got to give it up to mimuna, she did a concert, she can sing, she can rap. raised in d.c. as well. but i want soccer moms everywhere, impress your children tonight by telling them about muumuu fresh.
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there are many other stories besides white house chaos and russia and stormy daniels. donald trump often said his presidency is all about infrastructure. >> we're here today to discuss the urgent need to rebuild and restore america's depleted infrastructure. >> it is also time to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. our infrastructure will again be the best in the word. we used to have the greatest infrastructure. we're going to get infrastructure. infrastructure is the easiest of all. we're very well on our way. >> the easiest. this week trump's heading to ohio to promote a plan to
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attempt to get more bipartisan support. when the white house is under fire, there are speeches and press events rolled out about infrastructure. it's become a kind of a recurring promise, approaching the mythical status the mythical status of the famous briefcase in pulp fiction. you can't quite see it, but you want to know what's in it. >> what is it? what is it? >> it's beautiful. >> keep the briefcase in mind. trump has declared it infrastructure week three different times. first, june 5th, 2017 right before james comey's highly anticipated testimony about trump firing him. >> it's my judgment that i was fired because of the russia investigation. i was fired in some way to
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change or the endeavor was to change the way the russia investigation was being conducted. that is a very big deal. >> trump spoke but he didn't offer funding for infrastructure or even a legislative proposal. then just two months later, trump unveiled a second official infrastructure week on august 14th. >> we've just had a great set of briefings upstairs on our infrastructure agenda. my administration is working every day to deliver the world class infrastructure that our people deserve, and frankly, that our country deserves. >> that was the stated reason to address reporters at that fateful day at trump tower, which now even as allies view as one of the low points of his young presidency. >> i think there is blame on both sides. you look at both sides, i think there is blame on both sides. and i have no doubt about it. and you don't have any doubt about it either. >> there was a doubt about it. but note the only reasons trump
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aides had him in that fateful charlottesville press conference was to talk infrastructure. now let's go to february 2018. the white house again declared, you get it by now, infrastructure week. although john kelly was under fire over domestic abuse allegations involving an aide. and the news was breaking about trump paying hush money to a former playmate. trump has signed orders about infrastructure, but mostly they create advisory councils about infrastructure. so it's sort of an endless loop of infrastructure ceremonies and talk followed by more talk. this has been the pattern from the start. steve bannon's first interview after the election said conservatives would go crazy over his trillion infrastructure plan. when he left in august 2017, the white house had never even sent any plan to congress. over a year into the presidency, trump did send a february plan with about $200 billion proposed in federal spending. it's about 20% of what bannon promised. mostly it asks states to do the
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rest. while the president ran on being a deal maker, let's also note, just last week, they had a big budget process, and he didn't use that to get much for infrastructure. instead he complained about his own bill. now in contrast to trump's single proposal, democrats proposed a much larger trillion infrastructure plan, or look at john thune proposed six different infrastructure bills compared to trump's one. as trump heads to ohio this week to talk infrastructure again, it's obviously just a politician talking about a popular topic without doing anything, which is exactly what trump ran against. >> obama is all talk and no action. the years of all talk, no action politicians like her will end. >> typical politician. all talk, no action. >> we will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action. >> the time for empty talk is over. now arrives the hour of action.
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>> this isn't the hour of action. trump's now been on the job for 14 months of inaction on infrastructure. a time period when the u.s. got a d-plus on the issue and americans face danger on a third of all public roads. you know, many people believed trump back on the campaign trail when he railed against politicians who just talked. and let's be clear. donald trump was channeling a long-standing skepticism towards talkers in the culture. shakespeare wrote that talkers are no good doers. well use our hands, not our toungs. or take a more modern bard, cuevo says walk it like i talk it. if you don't walk the walk, it's just not real. so trump can fly to ohio this week, and he can talk infrastructure again. and he can rail against politicians who talk without action. but for those who listen
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20th walkout which is supporting columbine. i think that's during the middle of the day too. so we're walking out and loud and proud wearing our shirt. >> so we'll see you in detention. we'll see you at some more rallies and see you in the voting rooms. >> definitely. >> coverage of detention, coming up. >> gaede schwartz going to detention in high school. gaddy, thanks for talking to the kids for us. news breaking in our hour about donald trump's son-in-law and adviser jared kushner. white house lawyers now looking into two loans that were made to jared kushner's family business and the price tag, half a billion dollars. this coming from "the wall street journal" reporting the white house counsel's office are determining whether the loans may have violated any legal or ethical guidelines which do attach to an aide like kushner. it's it builds on a report last month that the loans may have come after kushner with his white house job was meeting with key executives from very same
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two firms. that does it for me. thanks for watching our show. i'll be back here tomorrow night, 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. defenseless. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in an unsettled washington. facing dangers on multiple fronts, president trump seems desperate enough to go it alone. consider what he is up against now. first and foremost, there is the special counsel's russia probe which shows signs of escalating. charges have already been filed against the president's close associates michael flynn and paul manafort. we could see indictments against members of the president's own family or even the president himself. then there are the three lawsuits involving the president that were recently filed by stormy daniels, by karen

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