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>> well, i'll be on tonight. >> yeah. "hardball" each night, 7:00 m.. >> katy, you look great. love that beach you picked out there. a little early, but it looks nice. >> it's june gloom, it will burn off in a couple of hours and then it will be beautiful. >> that is what they say in san francisco all the time. it will burn off. it's great! >> and just so everyone knows, ths donald trump at what was supposed to be the eagles' celebration at the white house, now just a celebration of the flag, according to the president. the white house said that this was a political stunt by the eagles. but again, our reporting says that t pically didn't want to be at an event where no one showed up. a man who's very concerned about crowd size. we know that. that'll wrap things up for me in huntington beach. i will be back here tomorrow. ali velshi, i'm so sorry i've eaten into a little bit of your time. >> it's all good. always good to have you in the show and my friend, chris, here. we'll have the mayor of philadelphia talking to us momentarily about the eagles
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matter. and kevin hassett is going to join us as well. he was taking a part in that press befing athe white house. we're kboipg going to talk abou economy. i'm ali velshi. katy said, presn the south lawn where a quickly thrown event called celebration of america just taking place. this is replacing who was supposed to be an event honoring the super bowl champions, the philadelphia eagles, but was canceled when the president found out who few players would be in attendance. the president saying the eagles, quote, disagree with their president because he insists that they proudly stand for the national anthem. that is an incorrect and shallow interpretation of what taking a knee at an nfl game means. but we're going to talk about how one should interpret that. the culture war red meat that trump produced is yet a distraction from more controversial headlines surrounding this president and those close to him. former trump campaign chairman paul manafort was just accused by the special counsel's office of trying to tamper with
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witnesses in his federal tax and money laundering case. this is an investigation that the president has continued to attack and did so again today. it's one of 13 different tweets this morning. trump said, quote, the russian witch hunt continues, and blamed it all on the recusal of his attorney general, jeff sessions. another tweet blamed democrat for the fact that his administration is separating parents and their children at the border. again, this is completely incorrect. but with all of this going on, it is the highly charged issue of the national anthem at football games that sarah huckabee sanders was pressed on leading up to this live 3:00 p.m. event. >> if this wasn't a political stunt by the eagles franchise, then they wouldn't have planned toll attend the event and then backed out at the last minute. and if it wasn't a political stunt, they wouldn't have attempted to reschedule the visit when they knew that the president was going to be overseas. and if this wasn't a political stunt, they would haven't waited until monday, well after a
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thousand of their fans had travelled and taken time out of their schedules to offer only a tiny handful of representatives to attend the event. >> and of course, the president now talkinabthis. let' listen in. >> -- stand to pay tribute to the incredible americans who came before us and the heroic sacrifices they made. america's a great nation, a community, a family, and america is our home and we love our home. and our country has never done better than it's doing right now. never! record numbers at every outpost. you take a look what's going on. lowest unemployment numbers wi e had. lowest african-american unemployment, in the history of our country. lowest hispanic numbers, in the history of our country. l lowest numbers for women in 21
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years. we've created $7 trillion of value in our country since the election, with the largest economy in the worldnd getting a lot larger and fast. it's happened very quickly. actually, quicker than i even thought. we're doing great. and all of those people that we honor, many of them are looking down right now, some of them are right here, but many of them are looking down right now at our country and they are proud. they are very, very proud. so we stand together for freedom, we sta together for patriotism. and we proudly stand our glorious nation under god. i want to thank you all for being here. this is a beautiful, big celebration. actually, to be honest, it's
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even bigger than we had anticipated. so i want to thank you very much. and god bless america. thank you, everybody. thank you. >> ladies and gentlemen, please join us in honoring our country by singing "god bless america." >> that's the president's comments kicking off the celebration on the south lawn. this, of course, was supposed to philadelph eagles.f the je bennett standing by for us. jeff, give us a bit of a background as to how this all came about, including when the white house found out the phillies' reaction to this and having to plan this. >> reporter: hey, ali. the white house said they learned some time late last week that the eagles would not be able attend this event. we heard sarah sanders today in the white house press briefing accuse the eagles' organization of staging a political stunt, she says, because they tried to reschedule their appearance to next week, a week we know the president will be in singapore. i can tell you based on my reporting, even as the president last night put out a statement and followed it up with tweets
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this morning linking the cancellation of this eagles celebration to his insistence that players stand for the national anthem, that that was really a political ploy. what really happened, based on my conversations with sources familiar, is that when the president learned that just a handful of eagles players and personnel would show up today, he canceled it. pulled the invitation, shefeari the bad optics of him standing there on the steps surrounded by just a hand oful of eagles plays and staffers. that's where we are at the moment, ali. but what's also true, he views this nfl issue as a political winner. i can tell you, having covered this president on the stump, across the co the are threthgs that do well for him on the stump. it's talking about building the border wall, it's talk of fake news, unfortunately for us, and it's the times when he torments the nfl. this is a political winner. people close to him in the white house tell me that in this midterm election year, this is one of the things that he's going to double down on, ali. >> yeah, that's unfo we're going to talk a little bit more about this.
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jeff, thanks very much. of course, i said the phillies, we mean the eagles. we philly-affiliated people sometimes get the sports teams all tied up. the president tried to blame the eagles, by the way, for not attending the white house on the national anthem protest. but here's the thing, during the regular season, not a se eagl p locker room or took a knee during the national anthem. this was the only protest that the eagles took part in last season, a raised fist. now, we all know the city of philadelphia is known for its passion, especially for its sportsteams. passion that was perhaps best conveyed by the mayor of philadelphia who wrote, "disinviting them from the white house only proves that our president is not a true patriot, but a fragile egomaniac obsessed with crowd size and afraid of the embarrassment of throwing a party to which no one wants to attend." joining me now on the phone, mayor jim kinney. thanks for being on the show. i always prefer to talk to you
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under better circumstances than these. but this seems actually to have been a unifying force for philadelphians. >> absolutely. we've waited 50 years for a super bowl and we continue to support our team even in the bad years, when they weren't winning. these young men and this entire organizaeagles organization, arerific corporate partners and these young men areomtto changing the world. they're committed to criminal justice reform, to feeding the hungry, foto fixing up playgrous and being involved in the fabric of philadelphia life. and when they're attacked unfairly like this, then we come to their aid. and if the president believes that shows they turned their back on their fans, he doesn't know the philadelphia eagles. because it's in our dna. we love our team and we love the fact they're willing to stand up for what they believe in. >> regardless whether or not any of the eagles took a knee, it's not really relevanrevant. a point you'vei thinks really relevant.
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you talk about the fact that you stand for the national anthem. you put your hand on your heart, because you are a privileged experice of living in a he country that doesn't denigrate you or arrest you or harass you in any way. and that there are people in this country whose rights have not been fully understood or fully fulfilled. and that in cases where some players take a knee, that is what they are pe otesting. >> correct. i mean, when we firstord th country and the words were written, all men are created, it meant all white men with land. it didn't mean women or african-americans or native americans. and the history of this country has been trying to fight for those rights for everybody. and i think that taking a knee is not disnrespectful, and this is obviously a concocted ploy on the part of the president to feed red meat to his base and to pick on the informnfl, which i in my ways has capitulated to
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him with some of the things that they have done. if they had just let their players express themselves the way they wanted, some of this would have stopped on its own. >> so when jeff bennett was just saying at the white house, this is a fight the president feels is politically a good one for him, how do we get the nation to understand that this isn't a good fight. thatnderstanding other people's grievances, whether you are the one who takes the knee or you are the one who feels that people should stand for the anthem, there's validity to all arguments, and we don't want to go down roads where this becomes a good fight. >> right. the first amendment is the amendment for a reason. our founding fathers must have thought that the freedom of speech was paramountly important, because it came first. and you can express your freedom of speech. and i've heard veterans from world war ii and vietnam stand up for players that took a knee and said, that's what they fought for.
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donald trump didn't fight for anything. he avoided the draft five separate times. he could have served his country in vietnam like the 64 people at edison high school in philadelphia who lost their lives, the 27 young men who lost their lives at father judge high school. he opted to have his father help him stay o the service. and now he runs around talking out patriotism, when he could have been patriotic when he had the opportunity like john mccain, who he denigrates. i mean, i don't agree with most of what john mccain stands for policy wise, but if he walks in a room, i stand up, because he deserves for me to stand up for him for what he's ne and to have the president who's been a draft dodger five separate times to talk about patriotism and country service is laughable. >> jim kenney, good to talk you, mayor. thanks very much for being with me. >> all right, thanks, ali. >> philly mayor, jim kenney. all right, the anthem protests a s in the nfl were std by 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick's. the nfl has struggled with how to handle this, especially since
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the president has used it as a lightning rod during his campaign events to rile up his base. >> wouldn't you love to see one he owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, get that son of a bitch off the field rht now. out. he's fired. he'sfired! >> okay, this needs a bigger discussion. this isn't about football, it's about something bigger. so i want to bring arthur brooks into the nversation. arthur is a man i have a lot of admiration for. he's the president of the american eere stitut he's a columnist with the "new york times." and later this month, he's launcha pcast with vox media on the topic of how we disagree as a country and how to reform to a healthier form of debate, both personally and politically. arthur is a conservative. he's the president of aei, which is a conservative think tank, but long had a reputation as one o wants to engage in dialogue. and arthur, that's what's missing the from this conversation, right? we really -- really don't
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need to tolerate the oer side. we have to actually embrace the plurality of vie that people in this country hold. >> yeah, that's true. great to be with you, ali, i appreciate it. one of the things that's most bothersome right now, this kind of bullying atmosphere. yo boiasically told by a minority of the population that we have to hate people with whom we disagree politically. it's actually crazy. i talk to people all over the united states and see data that suggests that 70% of americans are sick of this environment in which we're not allowed to disagree in any respectful or civic way. and politicians and to a very large extent the media is whipping people up along these lines. i think it's time for us to fight back against the people who are telling us that we can't get alongith people with who we disagree. >> so we normally associate you with economics. the american enterprise institute is about free markets, unfettered markets, and there are people who agree w tha
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and people who don't. but you actually devote a lot of your thinking to sort a free enterprise of ideas, right? the idea that we're not going to get better if we're not really listening to the other side. we need to listen and not just convince others that we're right in our perspective. >> oh, for sure. and again, aei is about free enterprise. we're not against government. we believe that markets generally do things better, but there are places where markets fail. and national security. and again, you're correct that the a lot of people disagree with our point of view. that's really great. this is a country where you can have a competition of ideas. and when people disagree with you or you disagree publicly, even when you have an unpopular point of view, there's no knock in the night and no jack-booted thug. it's astonishing that we can have -- we built a country along these lines and what's even more astonishing and frustrating and discouraging is that we have an environment in which it appears that our culture is saying, if you disagree with me, i have to wipe you out.
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i have to evis eate your ability to speak in the public square. >> so how do we hold both thoughts? that is that there are people who have died for this flag, who deserve our respect, as does the national anthem. and there are americans, as mayor jim kenney was saying, african-americans, who feel that the promise to them has not bee security, particularly, at the hands of law enforcement. those are two independent thoughts and they are not necessarily contradictory. >> no, not at all. i mean, in pointf fact, at aei, we have 300 events a year and we have a company policy of making sure that every conversation we have features a point of view that' actually not part of what our scholars think in the organization. why? because if we're wrong, we want to know first. here's my point. it's important that we have a conversation around for
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contentious topics without saying that other people are horrible, that other people are an out group that's not worthy of respect or any sort of attention. and that's exactly what's going on in this national anthem debate. i mean, in point of there are people who have very strong views on either side and we need to listen to each other more, without attributing motives of bad behavior, lack of patriotism, or on either side. >> so listen to what lebron james had to say about nba winners not going to the white house. listen to this. >> i know now matter who wins this series, nobody wants to invite anybody. cleveld going. golden state or >> here's the issue, arthur, while the nation should be engaged in a -- i don't want to use the word "battle," i don't want to use militaristic terms, but in a discussion, a debate about ideas, is there a higher role for the president?
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does the president sort of have to register that he can't really be on one particular side of this issue? >> i think it's important for the president to give his point of view. i think that president obama was very clear on his point of view on many things, as is president trump, that it's equally important for the president to show respect and civility among opposing pnts of view among americans. by the way, ali, that's leadership. i'm the president of the american enterprise institute. i have very strong views. i also have respect for people who have differ ving views thany own. doesn't mean i have to be neutral. that would just be weak. but it's important that we have respect for people with whom we diee there's a basic matter of leadership and civility and brotherhood and solidarity. >> i appreciate the work that you have done on this front. and you coming on the show, arthur. always good to seeyou. arthur brooks is the president of the conservative think tank, american enterprise instute and the author of "conservative heart." now to our other top story.
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in ten days, the president's former campaign chairman will be back in a washington, d.c. courtroom. it was revealed late last night president special counsel has accused paul manafort of trying to tamper with witnesses in his federal tax and money laundering case by reaching o to at least two encrypted -- two of them through encrypted messaging apps. prosecutors say manafort made the contact back in february while he was out on bail. they now want to revoke or modify his bail agreement while he's awaiting trial. his attorney says, mr. manafort is innocent and nothing about this latest allegation changes our defense. we will do our talking in court. i'm joined by former u.s. attorney, joyce vance,nd the repoer w broke the story, matt apuzzo, both msnbc contributors. matt, tell me about this. if i submitted this as part of a moon e manuscript, the publisher would laugh it out saying, no one would actually try to do that, right? >> no, if you submitted it a as
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a manuscript, he would say, wait, what's happeni i don't rstand. because it's confusing. so paul manafort was out on bail, $10 million bail and was under house arrest and some time in the past fewweeks, t fbi became aware that over the past several months, paul manafort was trying to make contact with people who were witnesses in the case. these were two public relations officials that manafort had and he reached out to them, first by phone and then using encrypted applications, whatsapp, and also through an intermediary. and the text messages, which were produced in court documents show that manafort was trying to reach them to talk about one of the accusations that's key to the ca there lobbying being done in the united states? and manafort said, look, i've told everydy thathe's lobbying done overseas
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and the justice department says this is evidence that manafort was trying to coach people on their stories. >> joyce, what are the rules governing -- if i were charged with something as paul manafort is, what are the rules governing who i can contact and what i can discuss with them? >> what you can't do is tamper with witnesses. and sometimes that happens in a coercive fashion. you can, for instance, say, i you don't testify in way that's consistent with what i wa, ll burn your house down, i'll kidnap your children. but that's not what the government is allegin here. the government is aeging that ul manafort reached out to folks and said, my recollection is that there was no lobbying in the united states. and i hope you all agree with me, or i encourage you t agree with me. anthe government then in its brief cites an extensive history of case law in the united states that finds that that non-coercive form of witness intimidation is also illegal. and the case that the government lays out is strong, and it's
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compelling. what this means for manafort is, it's a violation of his conditions of release to commitment another federal crime. the government having now brought to the court probable cause to believe that manafort has committed a new crime, there's a rebuttable presumption that his release should be terminated and he should remain in custody until his trial begins. >> matt, put this in the context ofhat the trump campaign continues to say about paul manafort's relationship to the trump campaign, as is typical when someone faces charges or convictions or decides to cooperate with the special counsel. the terrain or the trump administration tries to distance themselves from them. at the same time, donald trump have been very excited in the last few days about pardons. give us some context around this. >> so, paul manafort was the campaign chairman at this very crucial time during the 2016 election when donald trump was afraid that kind of mainline
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republicans were going to break off and there was going to be a divided convention. and he did a good job for the president around the convention. it was a short tenure, but there was no necessarily -- i don't think it would be fair to say, i barely knew this guy. he was a campaign chairman. he identified himself as that. he had a long history with and his associates. and certainly, what you hear from the white house is, paul manafort was there for a like a minute. the question now, i think, really, is, does this new allegation increase the pressure on paul manafort to potentially cooperate with the special counsel? and what does that mean for donald trump, who has said that paul manafort has nothing to give the justice department, nothing incriminating that he could give on me. and frankly, went seen any evidence so far that there's been any dangles of plea deals. so this thing is headed to trial. so buckle up. >> joyce vance, is there any defense or argument that paul
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manafort's people can use about their communication with these potential witnesses? >> it will be difficult, but what they'll say is, we weren't trying to intimidate these witnesses or convince them to testify consistently. it was just a friendly outreach. and then it will come down to the judge's assessment of whether the government has probable cause, whether they can prove it's more likely than not, that paul manafortommitted this offense before the judge makes rescinding his bond. >> joyce, always good to see you, former matt apuzzo, reporter with the "new york times." and reporters hope that a blue wave could result on what happens today. and president trump boasted this morning that the u.s. economy is stronger than ever, but have tariffs on our closest allies brought us closer to a trade war? are we in a trade war? one of the president's top economic advisers joins me with his reaction.
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ll right, today could well be a make or break day for the democratic efforts to retake control of congress. voters in eight states, alabama, california, iowa, mississippi, mt., new jersey and south dakota are at the polls today with many eyes on california, where democrats could find out if the blue wave their hoping for in this fall's midterms wou ba tsunami or a trickle. republicans currently control 14 of california's 53 congressional districts. now, according to the cook political reporter, 9 of the 14 gop districts are considered competitive. hillary clinton won seven of them in 2016. democrats willeed to flip those in order to retake the house. however, california's got this top two primary system that could have a major impact on those efforts. now, in a top two primary system, the top two finishers, regardless of the party they belong to, advance to the general election in november, which means you could see a
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face-off between two democrats or two republicans. while most of the attention is focused on the battle for the house, we are keeping our eye on a potentially big race in california. 27 candidates, all of these people, are running to secede the term-limited democratic governor, jerry brown. some of the more well-known candidates are gavin newsom, an to to -- antonio villaraigosa. for more on this jam-packed gubernatorial race, steve patterson joins me from san diego. steve? >> reporter: ali, great breakdown of what's happening congressionally. i want to get to that in a minute. in relation to the governor's race and the connective tissue there. but first, take a look around me here. this is where all the ballots are going to be tallied in san diego county, kind of a cool look at democracy in action. speaking, though, of that process, as you mentioned, things around here a little bit different in california, specifically when you're talking about that top two primary
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system. that not only arveffects those house races, bit affects the governor's race. in those house races, democrats are worried they think it's going to fragment the vote. too many players in the same pool. with the republicans, they're looking more existentially, the top of the ticket. they're looking at that u.s. house race, which seems to be top two democrat, and the democrats' race, where the republicans are dumping money into that race, make sure that is the same outcome. right now lieutenant governor gavin newsom is leading the field by far. the guy has been are upping for almost three years. he's got the support, the name recognition, the money. the real battle is for that second spot. right now what's happening is there's a consolidation of power behind one republican, john cox. he is a businessman from illinois. he's sort of consolidated that support by targeting places like conservative talk radio with advertising and he recently won the support of one president donald trump. that support has come in multiple tweets, one after another after another.
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there was one this morning and it's all in support of cox. and if you think that it doesn't matter in a state like california, it does. millions of people voted for trump. and if they don't know cox, they know trump. listen to cox last night, a campaign speech about why this is so important. >> i think what it did is it cemented the feeling of republicans, that i was the right candidate to tackle the problems of this state. just like the president. i'm a businessman. i've had 40 years of experience meeting budgets, hiring people and holding them accountable. >> so, again, the governor's race, lieutenant gavin newsom at the top. he's battling with john cox and with the former mayor of los angeles, antonio villaraigosa. they're in a tight battle for that second spot. that's the race that everybody's watching tonight. ali? >> it's going to be a late night for all of us as we watch to the results come in. steve patterson in san diego for us. president trump wasted no time congratulating himself for the strength of the economy this
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morning, tweeting, the u.s. has had an increased economic value of more than $7 trillion since the election. maybe the best economy in the history of our country. record jobs numbers. nice. nice, indeed. last hour at the white house, it began the briefing with an update on the strength of the current economy. but this comes at a time of profound uncertainty, as the administration's tariffs on key u.s. allies threaten to plunge us right into a trade war. just this morning, mexico retaliated by imposing tariffs on a number of exports, including pork and alcohol. with me, kevin hassel, who ran the economic update at the white house last hour. it's always fun to see you doing that, kevin. good to see you, thank you for joining us. let's just talk about the argument that -- there may be valid arguments about why things need tariffs and why things don't. you have a history of being a free trader yourself. but the argument that the white house is making is one i'm
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having a little trouble with on these steel tariffs. and that is national security. that we need toake more of our steel and aluminum here, in the event of what? what's the national security problem? >> the commerce department has a really big, long report that explains that in detail. and again, i'm not a national security expert, but the basic national security concern that at a time of war, you need to be ti able to have lots of steel production, if you think about, it's the economy that won world war ii, it's president trump's job to think about the bad things that can happen and make sure the country's prepared. so one of the decisions that he's made is it's a national security issue to protect steel industry. >> i think it's more about steel jobs. canada, you know i'm canadian, the chances of america getting into a war the canada are lower
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than the chances of me growing two hairs on my head. >> there's a subtlety -- i'm closing in on you, it feels like, by the way. but there's a subtlety about this that's really important. there's kind of two ways to make steel. one is with a traditional foundry where they've got a blast furnace and all of this stuff floating in on boats, and the other is with an electric arc furnace, which is an efficient way to make steel economically if you've got lots of scrap surface. so there's been a big surge of electric arc production, but you have to wonder in a time of war, would our foundries be operating? and when you analyze all of these things, you know, you can see that relying only on scrap metal might be a national security concern. >> let's talk about energy. rick perry is talking about
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trying to curtail the closing of certain coal and nuclear plants in this country. again, the president campaigned on the idea of supporting some coal jobs. we've seen decline in coal jobs for ery long time in america. it's just not really a big, growing economy of ours. does it concern you, as a free market guy, that the government's getting involved in how we determine our portfolio of energy? the government is using the same rationale, and that is that it's a national security concern, to make sure there's enough coal production. >> well, you agree, right, that grid security is a national security concern. >> yes. >> and the other thing you'll large subsidies for renewable energy generation, like wind and solar. the problem with wind and solar is that it gives you lots of energy when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining, and other times, it doesn't. the problem is we've moved increasingly towards these more variable ways to generate power, the kind of steady stuff that you need to make sure you have a
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grid might be threatened by that. because you've got, like i said, a nuclear plant doesn't mean turning the knobs up and down is not necessarily an efficient way to run a big grid. so i thi perry, you can talk to him more in detail about this. but as i've studied the issue, absolutely, power grid security is a very important thing. and one of the problems is that government subsidies have gone out front and put subsidies on things which maybe have some green benefits, but also put the stress -- >> i hear you, but most of the coal generation has really moved to natural gas, which is as reliable as coal. we have a stead supply of natural gas, more of it than most countries in the world. >> actually, i'm just not an expert enough to say natural gas and coal are as reliable. there's pipelines and things like that, but i see your point. and the issue, really, is the stuff that goes on and off. and we have a big increase and if you're running a power grid, that's really a challenge. and if you think about a bad
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thing that might happen, you can imagine you might want >> so you and i have discussed this in the past, what the code is going to do for wages. and you mentioned walmart increasing its minimum wage by $2 for its lowest income workers. i guess part of the issue is that that was on the heels of the fact that target had done something similar priority the tax changes and that that group discussingor probably i have close to a decade now. theemand is finally picking up for low-wage earners. so target had to increts ages to attract its lowest wage earners. walmart has found itself in competition with that. i would argue that most of walmart's increase to its lowest paid workers has l with themy and more tdo with taxes. >> they're all happening at once. so the market pressures employers to increase wages, because the market is where
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wages are determined. so absolutely, walmart increased it you can ask them what they were thinking, but an economist will tell you, if you increase demand for labor, you drive up the wage. and if you try to keep your employees from last year at a lower wage, they'll lee aave ano to another store. one of the news outlets listed me as mick mulvaney. >> all right. well, always good to see you, kevin "mic mulvaney" hassett. thank you for joining me. we'll ues discussion, as wve been doing for years. >> thanks, ali. >> the president of the white house council of economic advisers. up next, why hundreds of parents separated from their parents at the u.s. border have been living for days in facilities that were only supposed to house them temporarily and why the president says it's the democrats' fault. alright, i brought in new max protein
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they often lack bedding, adequate medical care and healthy food. the time limit for immigrants of any age to be held in a temporary border faculility is hours. as of sunday, 300 of the 550 children currently in custody had reached the 72-hour limit. and almost half of those 300 chirp are younger than 12, classified by the department of homeland security as tender-aged children, which according to some experts, puts them at risk of separation trauma. these are in addition to the 11,200 children who are already in the care of the department of health and human services, either in foster care, shelters, or placed with a relative somewhere in the united states. for more on this, bi'm joined b congressman leonard lance, a republican from new jersey. thank you for joining me. there has got to be a better way for us to deal with these children. we can take issue with their parents and why they're here, but nobody believes that children under 12 are makie ing
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choices for themselves about emigrating to the united states. >> i agree with that, ali. that is why we should draeaddre the immigration issue. and that is one of several reasons why iave signed the discharge petition moving forward in congress. and we're almost to the point where that will take effect. >> what is that going to do, this discharge petition? >> the discharge petition says that we will bring to the floor four bills on the immigration issue, and they vary, the contents of those bills, but i want to make sure that we address this issue. the deadline was march and we have passed that deadline. and now it's important to move forward. >> all right. so, whato you see, if legislation does move forward, what do you see as the solution to this particular problem? people who come to the border dish mean, it's a fairly specific problem. our inability to properly address people who show up at
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our border. our immigration, as you and i have discussed in the past s-- s a complicated matter. but this has even got the attention of the u.n. to sa there's just something s wrong with this. >> i agree with that. and children, particularly small children, should not be separated from their parents, for reasons that you have suggested. and i hope that we can address this in a humane fashion, recognizing, of course, that we want no one to abuse the system. i'm not suggesting that that is the usual case. but obviously, we have to look at this issue in its totality.t needs two or three more republicans. i believe there are three democrats who have not yet signed it and two of those democrats have said they will. if all three democrats sign it, that means the entire democratic conference has signed it and it would need two more republicans and if two of the democrats sign it, it would need three more
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republicans. and as you know, our conference, the republican conference, will be having a two-hour meeting on the immigration meeting thursday here on capitol hill. >> we have seen this problem before, particularly with daca issue, in that republicans really are of two minds on this. and that's fine. badth a all. but how do you find common ground to move forward on immigration. there seems to be an idea of what common ground looks like. that's the basis of our democracy, but it is preventing the furtherance of legislation. >> of the four bills that may come to the floor, if the discharge petition is successful, i think the one most likely to pass, ali, the is herd/agular bill. it would address the daca issue and it would have great border security. not the building of a wall, but greater border security.
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and of the four bills now in discussion, i think that is the one most likely to pass and i personally am a co-sponsor o of that bill. >> congressman, always good to talk to you. thank you for taking the time to join me. >> thank ali. >> congressman leonard lance of new jersey. coming up next, with president trump is trying to make good on his campaign promise to bring back coal jobs. we'll take a look at a draft of the plan to put sgling coal plants back on the right track and why it could ultimately drive up the price you pay for productivi productivity. you're watching msnbc. ers, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'ady doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief from moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain, and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood
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president trump is moving to fulfill a promise he made to help the coal industry. the president has orded energy secretary rick perry to take immediate steps to help struggling coal fired and nuclear power plants to say open, using his emergency authority to require utility grids to purchase power from plants in danger of closing. a preliminary estimate by the
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group energy innovation says the move could cost consumers anywhere from $311 million to $11.8 billion per year. the past few years have not been good ones for coal and nuclear plants. the sierra club says at least 268 coal fired power plants have been shut down. four more could shut down in the next three years. and 15-20 are at risk of closing in the next 5-10 years. now according to that same group, the energy information administration that's part of the department of energy, more than half of electricity production in the united states once game from burning coal. now more electricity comes from burning natural gas. according to the bureau of labor statistics the number of coal miners have dropped from 175,000 in the mid '80s to about 55,000 today. that's sort of the extended coal
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mining industry. the industry has only gained about 1300 jobs since donald trump took office aos 1 months ago. joining us to have a closer look at this is the author richard r. judging by your book and the history of energy, there is a natural progression amid we are in one of tho natural progressions. we've been moving out of coal for some time into either renewables or natural gas. other countries are dealing with nuclear betternca is. should we be taking steps to preserve coal fired electricity in this country? >> i don't think so. the reason is, of course, global warming and the risk of drastic changes to our entire environment as a result. and as your statistic noted, coal is actually in steep
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decline. natural gas, which we have an abundance of, i was talking yesterday with former secretary of energy steven chew. he said we're going to be living with natural gas for a vy long b we have a big supply. >> right. >> we have lots of coal too, but i don't think that's going to be the answer. >> is natural gas inherently better than coal, price aside? is it cleaner? >> sure, yeah. natural gas has about half as much carbon dioxide in its burning as coal. it's not the cleanest. the truth is -- and i think this will be shocking to some of your listeners -- our cleanest source of energy is nuclear power. it's clearly on the decline in the united states, but it's booming in china and india these days. >> i come from canada where we've got hydro and nuclear. >> exactly. >> the department of energy under the auspices of this program that they're trying to get grids to buy power from nuclear and coal, they're doing it because they're saying it's a
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national security issue, that we need grid resilience. i'm not clear on what's less resilient about natural gas than coal. >> actually, they're very similar, of course, because you can run them day and night. the problem with renewables, desirable as they are in many ways, is that the wind doesn't always employblow and the sun d always shine. electricity isn't stored. it's manufactured and it's instantly at the wall plug. you have to have a way to keep it level. >> that's a good point. to the earlier discussion i was having at the white house where he made the same point about the wind needing to blow and the sun needing to shine, i got a lot of angry tweets about people who said that's nonsense, we now have the ability to store that energy. we don't have enough ability to
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store the energy in a way to make the grid renewable. i'm a big fan of renewables, but we do not have the ty t fully store that. >> the battery technologies being developed simply don't run that long. we're not talking about a few million watts of energy. we're talking about trillions when we're talking about the whole country. >> thank you so much. >> we don't have anything yet. that's why we need these other things to ramp up and down. >> thank you for writing this great book. has plans today. so he took aleve this morning. hey, dad. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. tylenol can't do that. aleve. all day strong. all day long. get 5 dollars off aleve back & muscle pain in this sunday's paper only.
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that's it for me. thank you for watching. "deadline white house" with nicole wallace starts right now. ♪ hi, everne. it's 4:00 in new york. donald trump, who has called nfl players who kneel in silent protest during the national anthem sons of bitches today threw a celebration for america in lieu of the celebration for the philadelphia eagles. in response, the white house disinvited the team and upped the ante in the president's now year long weaponization of patriotism by inviting the fans to come to the white house anyway. for the record on the entire eagles team, no players took a during last year's anthem protests. the "new york times" writing, quote, what


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