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us the power of possibility. here's a man who literally went from prisoner to president. so you have to keep believing. you have to keep striving. we can do it and we're going to prove it. >> the global citizen festival. mandela 100. will take place on december 2nd in johannesburg. for more information on how you can earn your free tickets, glow to global forest whitaker, reverend sharpton, chuck robins, thank you all so much. >> thank you, chuck, for what you and cisco are doing. >> and that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. i am stephanie ruhle with breaking news this morning. starting with a daring rescue mission unfolding at this moment. at least five of those young soccer players have been pulled safely from a cave as rescuers race against time to save the rest. trapped deep inside a network of complicated tunnels. we're going to take you live to
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thailand as the world watches, waits and prays. meanwhile, back here at home, it is judgment day. the president set to announce his supreme court pick tonight in a prime-time address. here's a question at this moment, has he even made up his mind yet? >> we're very close to making a decision. they're excellent, everyone. you can't go wrong. >> and he's back. rudy giuliani returning from tv. guess why. to slam the mueller probe. sending more signs the prospects are fading for a sit-down between the special counsel and president trump. >> we would not recommend an interview for the president unless they can satisfy us that there's some basis for this investigation. >> well, we want to begin with the breaking news out of thailand. at least five members of that youth soccer team trapped under ground have now been freed. janice is near the site in northern thailand. janice, i understand we got that
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very good news to report. walk us through those boys and those still inside. >> well, we just had some ambulances go by behind us on their way to the hospital where all of the boys, as they're brought out of the cave, are being taken to a special isolation unit. they're going to be medically assessed. they're not even allowed physical contact with their parents yet. there's the risk of infection that doctors want to look at. and then of course just this harrowing ordeal that these boys have been through in trying to ease them back into the simple things like steady breathing, drinking water and of course eating food. we have reports that there are seven, possibly eight boys who are now out of this cave system. yesterday, they confirmed four. officials saying they were going to try for maybe six today. but maybe they're going to stop at four at this point. we're not sure. what we do know is this
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operation is going quite well. better than expected. the water level is down in the cave system. the weather has been holding. there was this concern of the monsoon rains. so things seem to be lining up and going in favor of the divers and rescue workers that are at the heart of this remarkable operation, stephanie. >> talk to me about those rescue workers, where you are, how many people are there trying to assist in getting these children out and their coach. >> well, here is the hospital staging area where at the end of street, the helicopters will land. the boys are transferred to ambulances. and then taken to the hospital, to this special unit. they have cordoned off the area that was the cave entrance. you'll remember where a lot of the media were for the first week or so of this ordeal as the world interest intensified. they cleared all of that out. about two hours before they
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announced the beginning of this rescue mission. so that area has now been turned into a staging ground. there are 13 fully staff medical teams that stand by outside the cave entrance, one for each boy, a doctor, two nurses, paramedic, helicopter, ambulance. and what their primary objective in those first moments is to sss their breathing, look for signs of hypothermia, check for signs of infection, one in particular called "cave disease" before they can stabilize these boys and get them to the hospital. there's still the issue, too, of emotional issues that will no doubt dog the boys in the days and the weeks to come. this has been a terrible ordeal for them. some of them will be stuck underground 17 days in the darkness, not enough food, not knowing when somebody was going to come rescue them. there is the sense that perhaps emotionally they will be able to
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pull through this. because they were in it together. so many people we've talked to have said that the fact they were there together this team with this coach will help them in the long run. >> extraordinary. all right, janice, please stay close to us as we hear more developments out of thailand. this is a stunning and at this point it seems almost optimistic story. janice, thank you so much. i appreciate it. now, we have to go to the big announcement here. 12 hours from now, when president trump is set to reveal his nominee to the supreme court. he talked to aides and some of his old friends who he should choose, but as of sunday afternoon in true trump drama fashion, he appeared he had still not made up his mind. >> let's say it's the four people but they're excellent, everyone. you can't go wrong. i'm getting close to making a final decision. probably be decided tonight or tomorrow some time by 12:00. they're going to all be meeting at 9:00. and we have a great country,
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folks. we have a great country. >> he knows how to create a cliffhanger. that is his jam. right now, a source with firsthand knowledge of president trump's supreme court lselectio process tells nbc news none of the top four contenders have been excluded. those four are hardyman, kethledge and barrett. the two judges getting the most attention are kavanaugh and hardiman. kavanaugh is the 53-year-old currently serving for the d.c. circuit. on the plus side, he's a favorite of white house counsel don mcgahn. he also has tied to george w. bush which could be problematic for trump reporters. one other issue with kavanaugh, he's got 12 years worth of decisions that senators will want to go through, potentially delayi ining confirmation.
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hardiman may have an easier time getting confirmed. mcconnell reportedly spoke to president trump in recent days. president also picked hardiman for the supreme court, but ended up going with neil gorsuch instead. he also has the support of president trump's sister, judge marianne trump barry, who served with him in philadelphia. neither barrett nor kethledge seemed to increase their chances after they met with the president. as we said before, mr. trump has not publicly ruled out anyone. one other issue with barrett, her views on abortion could draw opposition from pro-choice republican senators susan collin and lisa murkowski. remember, if all democrats oppose the nominee and john mccain cannot vote, either one of those two women could sink the nomination. that said, several republicans have said the president has an excellent group to choose from. >> republicans are holding four lottery tickets and all of them are winners.
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every republican should embrace these picks. >> i think they'll all be -- they're good judges. i think they'd be fine justices of the supreme court. i do think the president has to think about it. who is the easiest to get confirmed here. i expect we'll do that on sort of a normal timetable of a couple of months. >> i want to bring in nbc's peterpete peter alexander live at the white house. president trump is an expert at creating prime-time reality tv cliffhangers. it's what he does best. so what do you know about where the process ends at this moment? >> a source familiar with the process says it is, in their words, a jump ball, who the president picks tonight. the president acknowledging as much, telling reporters he'd like to make up his mind by noon today. with the decision still up in the air, i'm told that the white house war room here is preparing a rollout for each of these possible contenders. again, a lot of this is by design.
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tonight's announcement really is a trumpian made for tv moment. try to create this maximum suspense. aides have told us over the course of his time in office, he loves the drama. as we've witnessed. it's also not unusual for this president to put a lot of stock in the opinion of the last person he's spoken to. which makes his conversations this weekend that much more interesting. i'm told he hosted fox news personality sean hannity at his golf club in new jersey. also got some input during a series of phone calls with advisers and other friends and senator leaders ahead of what would be an historic pick. mitch mcconnell, one of the several republican lawmakers who have been urging the president to really consider who may be the easiest to get confirmed. on that front, thomas hardiman's last confirmation vote to the appeals court was unanimous. that one could be slowed down if senators want to review his lengthy record as a judge, as well as all those presidential
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documents when he was staff secretary for george w. bush. that means hundreds of thousands of documents they could try to review. >> i want to bring my panel in. it is one of my faves. eddie glaude, a princeton university professor. rick, to you first, who is the front runner? >> hardiman. >> without a doubt. >> yes, he seems the obvious choice. there's a reality here and then there's an alternate political reality here. the democrats have really kind of hurt themselves in this whole nomination process. because both sides used the nomination process to gin up a lot of activism. to raise a lot of money for these groups. either for conservative judges or against trump's picks. >> how did democrats screw it up? >> because now we have states where senator, democratic senators, who are at risk of losing their seat, are -- this is going to be a critical vote for them. those states, many of them are pro-life states. many of them trump won in. if they vote against his judges,
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that could be a terrible vote for them. that's, that's -- the reality is, these are four qualified people, and i think the whole notion about roe versus wade getting blown up is overblown. i just don't think -- i think conservative judges look towards precedent rather than getting on the court to be activists. because that's what conservatives say they want. they don't want activist judges, they want judges who look towards precedent and look towards not rocking the court. i think roberts, who now will become sort of the swing vote, is in that mind-set. >> your brow is furrowed. >> right, one of the things that strikes me is this whole process smells to high heaven. merrill garland was qualified. so qualifications aren't, it seems to me, the overriding value here. so to hear senators line up talking about the choices and who they -- and the process and what would be expedited. it seems to me we could talk
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about -- we know president trump is going to get his pick. and we know that pick will be conservative. but we need to understand this pullback, panback for a moment, to understand this whole process is indicative of how the senate is broken. >> okay, but, eddie, i'm not saying treated fairly or not. think it's fair to say he wasn't. but is crying over that spilled milk a useful use of political capital for democrats? >> right. >> you could like mitch mcdon't mcconnell or hate him. he's a tactical genius who gets it done for his party. >> it's useful in this regard. the democrats know they cannot procedurally block this, but they know they can have an impact with elections. so to go harken back, it's not crying over spilled milk. it's really i think stephanie an indication the problem isn't just donald trump. the problem is a broken senate. the problem is a broken house.
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the problem is institutions across the country, across our government. >> that's a gargantuan problem. >> yes. >> and you've got to face the problem at hand. so as trump looks at these four candidates, rick, do you think he will be influenced by his situation and the mueller investigation and if they could, you know he is someone who is said, are you guy my, are you with me? >> the only -- in an impeachment proceeding, the chief justice would preside over a trial in the senate. >> but whether or not trump will sit down with mueller? >> well, it's in the front of his mind -- well, what eddie's talking about, that's a reality. i agree with everything he said. the political reality here is
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this nomination gets to choose a conservative judge for the court is a huge win for him. they should have just let gorsuch get through. instead mcconnell said that's it, 50 plus 1, which is, you know, 50% vote. and now that's reality. i think in the end, if the democrats make too much of this, they're going to go to war with themselves. we've got two people in the court, 18 one, 85, one 79 now. >> have you seen ruth bader ginsburg's workout? she makes it happen.
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this week, that's when we're supposed to see all these children under the age of 5 reunited with their parents. the migrant children who are separated. the aclu has already said the house is going to miss the deadline, excuse me, the white house is going to miss the deadline to get these kids back with their parents. so what are the ramifications? the judge says you have to do it in x amount of time. it doesn't happen. then what? >> the kids are still away from their parents, they're still in these prisons or however we want to describe them. the cruelty of the policy is still being implemented, stephanie, i've been in germany for the last three weeks, and painted all over the television in germany are images of children. a sense that somehow america has lost its bearing. the idea of a judge talking to the representative. the representation of a 1-year-old. think about it, stephanie, that
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baby's not even potty trained. >> i'm with you. >> and here we are, they don't have the paperwork, they don't know how to find the parents and identify them. what is being revealed is the zero tolerance policy carried with it a fundamental dehumanization of these people. they don't give a damn about the babies. period. >> even if they didn't -- even if they do or don't, the policy is so ill thought out, such a disaster, such an expensive disaster. how do republicans -- how does the white house solve this issue, this crisis of their own making? you're a texan. you understand -- >> i'm an honorary texan. >> you understand it's a border state. these things matter. but this crisis was created by the trump administration, this disaster in trying to reunite them is their own fault. >> so at the risk of making a cheap ideological point -- >> we only like cheap points.
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>> this is why you don't want the government in charge of thing because they can't actually do complicated things. >> you want private citizens in charge? >> listen, we have the technology to do this. visa, mastercard, american express. say how do you know all these restaurants? absolutely 100% accurate, right? >> i know exactly where my amazon package is at this moment. this is the most inhumane, despicable, disgusting policy that i think i've witnessed in my lifetime. republicans will pay for this -- >> where are they going to pay for it? >> i'll tell you what the judge should do. judge should figure out how the bureaucrats go to jail over this. and you'll see what it's like to be separated from your parents. >> how do family value republicans -- >> it doesn't, they've lost it. they've lost this issue. as they have many.
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i'm upset as a conservative republican because we've always been the party of family first, family values. you know, moral values. and yet we're going to separate -- let me -- what if these were white children? what if these were white children -- >> if these were white children, this wouldn't happen. >> exactly. this is a disgusting policy. and somebody has to pay for it. >> the irony, rick is many people sold their souls for -- because of our first segment. they put everything -- >> if you break the law, by virtue of this, you get separated from your children. >> what law are they breaking if they're seeking asylum legally? >> some of them aren't. even if they aren't, it's a misdemeaner. >> this is how we treat families? >> this is how we treat families. well, the deadline is this week. the aclu says they're going to miss it but we'll see. i'm optimistic. i certainly hope those children are reunited with their parents.
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we would not recommend an interview for the president unless they can satisfy us that there's some -- some -- a basis for this investigation. what we're asking for is, is this the witch hunt that a lot of people think it is, or is there a factual basis for this? >> a witch hunt? somebody might want to tell rudy giuliani that the indictments or the fact that paul manafort is in jail. rudy giuliani back on tv this weekend. again this morning. signaling the chances of a sit-down between the president and robert mueller are going increasingly unlikely. jewgiuliani -- it's clearly my first day back, giuliani also doubled down on the attacks about the russia probe. >> he wants to testify. >> it's hard to believe that anymore, mr. mayor. >> it is hard to believe, given
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all the things shown about how tainted this investigation is. this is the most corrupt investigation i have ever seen. that the justice department is allowing to go forward. >> i want to bring in kim wally, former assistant united states attorney and former independent counsel in the whitewater investigation. what are the chances mueller agreed to new public demands for an interview with trump? >> well, impossible. there aren't even any standards for that. the idea is the president gets to decide if this is a legitimate investigation in exchange for testimony. as you mentioned, we've had 23 indictments, including russian contr trolls. we have three people in the campaign. we have a former white house adviser. we've got charges of lying to the fbi, conspiracy texts, crimes. this is a far cry from a witch hunt. but of course politically we heard this as far back as the nixon administration when that presidency was under some investigation as well. >> then if it's absolute
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nonsense what rudy giuliani is asking for what would mueller's next strategic move be? >> well, he has two options. one is to go forward without it. there's nothing mandating he sit down with trump. any good prosecutor's going to want to to determine whether there are any inconsistent statements. and also just to, you know, dot is and cross ts, to make sure everything is consistent with what they've understood. alternatively, they could subpoena him. we saw this with president clinton during the whitewater investigation. in that instance, president clinton agreed to sit down in exchange for the withdrawal of the subpoena and certain terms. mr. trump's within dabeen dangl idea for a year now. i think it's more likely he'll kick the can down the road and see how it works ploitically with the next election and tell voters listen, you decide, kind of what mcconnell did with the supreme court pick. we don't know.
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but if it did come to a subpoena, then the next step would be the president saying no. and then that would -- could produce a contempt citation and then that would certainly go to the courts to determine the extent to which the president can thumb his nose at a valid criminal investigation process. when i say valid, it's one that's consistent with the rule of law. once the rule of law starts to fall apart, then we're on fast track to tyranny regardless of political party. i do think this is a very high stakes game of chicken right now. >> i want to play what giuliani said about michael flynn. >> what he said to him was can you -- >> he took it as direction. >> that's okay. taking it that way. by that time, he had been fired. the reality is, as a prosecutor, i was told that many times. can you give the man a break. either by his lawyers, by his relatives, by friends. you take that into consideration. but that doesn't determine not going forward with it. >> can you give the man a break.
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is that true? as a prosecutor? in the whitewater investigation, did you get asked that all the time? >> the difference is the president is the president. and the client here has some control over these potential witnesses. so no, you know, of course prosecutors get influence order at least attempt to be influenced by people that could be affected by the work of the prosecutor. i mean, lawyers are trying to get the best deal for their clients. this is a really different situation, when the president is, under article ii, of the constitution, in charge of the criminal justice system at the federal level. and so traditionally the fbi and the doj have stayed separate from presidential influence. not because it's required by the constitution, but because that's how we keep our system of justice legitimate and independent. so we are potentially crossing lines here. now, whether this gives rise to a criminal charge of obstruction
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of justice or witness tampering, that's a different question because you are to show intent and that's a high standard of proof. >> all right, i want to ask about the power of discrediting bob mueller. we can talk all day long about his track record who he is, what he is and what he's achieved. the president has been masterful at this. again, via twitter, saying public opinion has turned strongly against the rigged witch hunt and the special counsel, because the public understands that there was no collusion with russia, so ridiculous, that the two fbi lovers were a fraud against our nation, and that the only collusion was with the democrats. now, irrelevant of fact checking the president's tweet, he's not wrong about public opinion. a new "washington post" poll found that 40% disapprove. that is a 14 point increase
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since january. you and i both know since january we've seen a flood of indictments. so is the president's strategy and wheeling out rudy giuliani working? >> well, i mean, if public opinion is the metric presumably and the problem is that this could actually come down to a political resolution. i think there is a strong argument that an indictment would be problematic under the constitution. that's not resolved. i think rod rosenstein would probably respect the established judgment to pay attention to the determination that he couldn't indictment them. it would be a political method of accountability if there is wrongdoing demonstrated. that would come down to impeachment process, if at all. so voters have to pay attention to that. this is the difference you point out between nixon and the whitewater probe. a lot of this is playing out with lies and dis, tortions outf
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the white house and, you know, we hear these things and we start to -- it starts to become part of what we understand is truth, a. b, i think there also is just a fatigue factor. the problems out of this administration have been so many and so quick and so massive in scale that i think people are just trying to go on with their lives and they're losing focus on where the eye of the ball should be. as a constitutional law professor, in addition to prosecutor in the whitewater investigation, has to do with the system. do we have a system where the people at the highest levels of government are accountable to the public for potential corruption? we don't know exactly what happen heard. to suggest this is a witch hunt when we've seen what's come out of this investigation so far in terms of guilty pleas is really problematic, it's just not true. >> look at that picture again,
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please. this is no witch hunt. thank you so much. i appreciate you joining me this morning. it is stunning, the lies that continue to come out of the white house. we can sit here all day long and say why is it that kudlow says debt and deficit are going down? why dud rudy giuliani go on tv and say state raight up lie? they do it because it works. we've got breaking news out of thailand, eight members of that soccer team have been rescued. bill neilly is near the site and he joined me now. this is extraordinary. what more can you tell me? >> as you say, breaking news, and great news, yes. on the thai navy s.e.a.l.'s website just within last few minutes, the number's 1 to 8, and at the bottom, hoo ya, which is of course the marine kind of victory chant. so eight boys out. leaving four boys and their
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assistant coach still inside. so exactly the same number as yesterday. the same template with one diver going with each boy. the boy virtually strapped underneath these divers as they go through submerged water. we talked to one diver last night who said that the boys were wearing face masks for 2 1/2 hours. remember, these are kids, most of whom can't really swim. some of them can just about float. but they're certainly not strong swimmers. so what they have gone through even with a little bit of instruction from these expert divers, absolutely extraordinary. this expedition according to the commander is going better and certainly faster than they expected. but, you know, stephanie, i keep thinking that right down there right now there are still probably four boys and an assistant coach. we're not absolutely sure. but we assume the coach will be among the last to leave.
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and they are still down there again for yet another nice, stephanie. >> they're still down there again. does that mean they're going to continue through night or are they going to take a rest, because they've been going for hour, ns now. >> yes, for everything we can see, the operation is now finished for the day. these divers need their rest. we were told that this morning. so, and it's the same team that went in today as went in yesterday. we think it's a british-led team. they appear to be the world experts in underwater cave diving. so it's pretty strenuous work. they need a full day of rest. then we think they will reassemble same time tomorrow morning, around 9:00, begin the operation some time around 10:00 or 11:00. my guess is they will try to take the remaining five out tomorrow. >> this is a stunning story.
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tremendous that there are now eight rescued. you can't help but think and pray for the five who are still trapped in there. bill, thank you so much, i appreciate it. all right. now we have to take a turn. because right now here in new york city, harvey weinstein, he is in a courtroom. the disgraced hollywood movie mogul being arraigned this morning on additional sex crime charges. this time against a third woman back in 2006. nbc's rehema ellis joins me outside the white house with the latest. what are the new charges? what can we expect today? >> we can expect that harvey weinstein will enter a plea of not guilty and i'm told that he entered that courtroom with handcuffs on and escorted by two plainclothes new york city police officers. these charges that were unveiled, this indictment unveiled last week, included some charges that are extremely serious. i think we've got a full screen to show viewers. one count of criminal sexual act in the first degree.
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and two counts of predatory sexual assault on a woman in 2006, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison if he's convicted. these new charges are added on to other charges. also alleging sexual misconduct against two women, one that occurred allegedly in 2004. another alley occurring in 2013. conviction, if it occurs, could lead to decades behind bars. weinstein, through his attorney, vigorously denies there was any criminal action that occurred. saying that any sex that happened was consensual. his attorney says he will vehemently defend himself against these charges. meanwhile, he remains on bail, on $1 million bail, and has an ankle monitor to keep track of his movements, stephanie. >> all right, thank you so much. there's a lot of news to cover this morning. we're going to leave it there. up next, money, power, politics. your 401k may not be taking a
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welcome back to my favorite part of the show, money, power, politics. the game of chicken, it is over, the tariffs are on. here's where you could feel the pinch. more for things like batteries, tool sets and usb drives. the cost of home appliances like refrigerators and water coolers are predicted to go up by 25%. guess who's here to help me understand it all? my friend dan nathan is a principal of risk reversal advisers and a cnbc contributor. >> this is just the first shot across the bow, right. people are focused on china here. trump has signaled they may go to the full amount, $500 billion, so when you want to just quantify the $34 billion at 25% tariff, that's less than $10 billion, not a real big deal for a $19 trillion economy. but if we get to that full amount, that $500 billion of imports from china at 25%
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tariffs, that's going to be a real, real thing for the u.s. consumer. it's going to be really important for, you know, corporations here to pass that cost on. or absorb the earnings hit. so these are the things i think you have to look out. it's not going to be in july or august that we're going to be thinking about these. brother goi we're going to be thinking about these in q4 of this year if we don't get a resolve to these issue. the u.s. has more trade with canada and mexico than we do with japan, china, germany and uk combined here. and we are taking shots across the bow at our allies as much as we are with our adversaries. >> let's pretend that the smartest people in the room are investors. the market's up 200 ten minutes into the trading day. why? is this priced in? >> the rollout is not too different than the rollout we've seen on foreign policy issues, on tax cuts, on health care repeal.
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it's kind of helter-skelter. some of them worked out okay. some of them have not. i think the difference here is that, you know, we are talking about two of the biggest economies in the world, the u.s. and china right here, fighting this thing out. and no one knows how it's going to go. when you think about the stock market, the s&p 500 is down 2% from its all time highs. it's important to consider, china's composite is down 20% from its highs. that is a bear market. when you think about who might blink first, the chinese are looking at the wealth created from the stock market. that's a really important thing. our investors don't seem to be particularly worried. but this thing's sort of happened and, you know, the market expression, risk happens fast, if you think back to august 2015, the stock market went down 10% in a straight line. what happened? chinese did a surprise devaluation of their currency. we're coming off a period now for the chinese currency that's the weakest against the u.s. currency in almost 20 years. so maybe there's some subtle
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things that the chinese are trying to do right now that could really throw a monkey wrench this summer if investors are not paying attention. >> president trump's approval rating when it comes to the economy, 51%, that's a positive. people don't seem to be that spooked about these tariffs. the stock market is doing well. jobs are in a great place. >> i think it's smoke and mirrors. when you look at his approval ratings on any of these topic, his base is overwhelmingly in favor and they skew those numbers i think. >> it's more than his base. listen, you spend your time over at cnbc. you've got lots of people who are willing to look the other way to trump's reprehensible behavior because they love the tax cuts and the stock market. >> talk to them offline and they'll tell you all the benefits of the tax cuts could be offset by adverse effects from tariffs. the tax cut was something that was implemented. we put those in place. >> it's trickled down to nowhere. >> where's the wage growth? companies that gave those press releases out, bonuses.
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>> bonuses, no raises. >> at the end of the day, 2018, the first half of the year, really was about these tax cuts. where the stock market went, nowhere. the back half of the year is going to be about what happened with this trade war. they could jf set each other. >> there you have it. dan nathan, thank you. up next, secretary of state mike pompeo, he visited north korea for a series of productive or regrettable talks. it depends which side of the table you talk to. just moments ago, wrapping a surprise visit to afghanistan, pompeo is defending his north korea talks, blaming the media for misrepresenting north korea's reaction. still a chance here. it's willingham, edge of the box, willingham shoots... goooooooaaaaaaaallllllll! that...was...magic. willingham tucks it in and puts the championship to bed. sweet dreams, nighty night. as long as soccer players celebrate with a slide, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more
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welcome back. talks between the u.s. and north korea have hit a major roadblock after the latest round of high-level negotiations in pyongyang this weekend. secretary of state mike pompeo told reporters he has made progress on a number of issues. >> we had many hours of productive conversations. these are complicated issues. but we made progress on almost all of the central issues. we had productive, good faith negotiations. >> north korea had a very
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different takeaway. calling the talks deep he r s d regrettable, while accusing the u.s. of making unilateral an end gangster dike-like gangster-like demands. my panel still with me. steve, to you, pompeo begrudgingly answered a question about this during a press conference in afghanistan during the last hour. >> i saw some of statements that came out. they were mixed. you haven't reported on the mixed statements. maybe you will now. the statements that were put out. chairman kim's statement following our discussions continue to express his desire to complete the denuclearization to which he is so committed. >> what's going on here, steve? >> this is the classic putting lipstick on a pig move. i think right now they're very dug-in on what they thought they achieved in singapore. and, you know, with what mike pompeo said, what he himself
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heard chairman kim agree to, none of us have seen in writing. and so they're very dug in on this. and mike pompeo's own credibility within the government, within the country, is at risk, because he's been the one, more than any other member of the cabinet, that was pushing, as he did, to make this happen, where they gave kim jong-un the gift he wanted, and the united states really walked away with nothing. >> okay. well, what does it mean that mike pompeo did not meet with kim jong-un. for the layperson, should it matter to us? >> i think it should matter in a big sense. mike pompeo thought he was going to meet kim jong-un. beyond that, despite getting snubbed, and we know he was in various ways by that, it shows the entire mood has shifted, whether that was because china interve intervened, because north korea calculating it got what it wanted, it was now going to extract more from the united states for upcoming steps. i think it is a huge deal, that the optics that donald trump
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created and crafted are non-existent. they were non-existent then. they were fake. kim jong-un is sending a very, very serious message to pomp and to the president of the united states. there is a new game. >> rick, president trump walked away from the summit saying north korea no longer poses a nuclear threat. you don't hear mike pompeo saying that. kim jong-un didn't show up. >> it is delusional. kim jong-un got everything he wanted. he met with the president. had the north korean flag side by side with the american flag, on equal standing. their definition of denuclearization is equal standing. in other words, we should have no capability to strike north korea with the nuclear weapon. they are essentially wanting to -- the way pompeo is going in there, saying gangster, they don't want to look like they lost the war. now, un is punking pompeo by saying, no, i don't meet with you, because i meet with the president. the president gave him that
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optic. his stature has risen. we walk away with nothing. they have no intention of denuclearizing. there is some indication they're expanding the nuclear capability. where is the, danger is zone? we're in a worse place. >> before the summit took place, we sat here saying, they need to agree on the definition of denuclearization. here we are, weeks later, clearly, that's not the case, if north korea is saying, you're coming at us with gangster-like tam tick tactics. meaning, you denuclear liize ane do nothing. >> we knew there was no willingness on the north korea side to denuclearize. we know what happened in ukraine and with qaddafi. the fact they had nuclear weapons provided the conditions for them to meet with trump in the first place. maybe trump will buy a different color lipstick so he can put it
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on the pig again. >> there we go. steve, president trump taking to twitter in multimillion tweple going after nato. how is the development with north korea, how is his attack on nato going to affect president trump's standing at nato this week? >> well, i think it is und undermining american leverage just about on every international issue that exists. even in north korea, we're now seeing south korea's interest diverge from those of the united states. we'd committed full, hardy support of alliance with south korea. we have a full alliance with nato, that they now doubt. all of our core allies doubt our resolve to be with them on their dark days. that means that when we have a tough time with something, when people are talking about -- like mike pompeo talking about ratcheting up sanctions on north korea, these other countries aren't going to fall into line. there is no quid pro quo for the united states in the global issues.
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we're testing this as the president wanders around the world, hugging the great thugs of the international system today, while screwing our allies. that's happening in the g-7. it is happening with nato and our asian relationships, as well. >> with the exception of president trump, rick, who thinks president trump's foreign policy agenda is working? >> trump and the people -- his sycopha sycophants. >> does mike pompeo, does john bolton, does general mattis, are they like, you're making it happen? >> these are smart people. they'll have to deal with the hand they've been dealt and try to make the best of it. nobody knows what the chinese are saying to the north koreans. the chinese were in a trade war now. call it want you want, but it is a full-blown trade war. the chinese want to put maximum pressure to make sure the north korea deal won't work the way it is. and there are talks about japan nuclearizing. there are conversations about that. the japanese are furious with the united states right now,
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with our posture toward north korea. they live in the region. they understand, these are bad characters. >> steve, who thinks trump's agenda is working on a foreign policy perspective? >> i can't find anyone that thinks trump's foreign policy is working. i can't find a republican. i hang out offline with republicans and democrats. no one is saying that what we're doing to our nato allies makes sense. not a single republican i can find. >> there you go. all right. that's a reason to feel confident. we'll leave it there. thank you, all. eddie, i'm sorry we didn't have more time. coming up, we are less than 12 hours from hearing president trump's pick for the supreme court. former attorney general, gonzalez, will be here to weigh in on the final four. up next, you know how we like to end the show. good news rules today. it definitely doesn't suck, at least i don't think so.
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i'm stephanie ruhle. i will see you again at 11:00 a.m. with my partner, ali velshi. and all day on twitter. right now, more news with my friend, hallie jackson. >> it is like you knew we were going to do a segment on straws coming up later on in this show. i also, like you, obsess with that story and the sea turtles. >> i have not used a straw, nor have my children, in over a year. >> amazing. we'll talk more about that later. stephanie ruhle, thank you. i am hallie jackson in washington. this monday, it is all about suspense. the world watching as divers carry out those risky rescues in thailand. americans here waiting for president trump's supreme court decision. let's talk about what's going on underground in thailand. eight down, five to go. elite divers are battling time and the elements to save four remaining soccer players and their coach, trapped inside a cave for more than two weeks. then, back home, decision day. on the final countdown to the final four. with the jump ball, we're told, w


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